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Here we go, here we go, here we go!

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Arnold!

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Hey, Arnold!

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Arnold!

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Arnold!

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Arnold!

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Arnold!

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Arnold!

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Arnold!

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You're my football head!

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Hey, Arnold!

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Huh?

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Hello and welcome once again to the 29th Hey Arnold Anniversary Show!

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My name is Aaron and joining us now is the Executive Producer of Hey Arnold!

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The man himself, Craig Bartlett.

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Craig, how are you doing?

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I'm good, thanks.

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Good to see you.

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Yeah, so last I recall, I think you've just travelled back from Milwaukee for a convention.

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So you're starting to do the convention circuit now.

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How exciting is that?

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That's right.

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I started in December, so it would have been after I saw you last.

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And we started in Houston.

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We've done, what have we done, Anaheim.

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We went to Denver.

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We went to Boise.

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And we're going back to, we're going back to Houston in the spring, as far as I know.

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And the last one this year will be New Orleans.

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And that's, all these towns have been really fun.

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Oh, yeah.

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And well, you know, when I saw you going to be joining the convention circuit,

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you're joining Annie McAfee and joining Olivia Hack.

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And obviously they've been doing it for a long time now.

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And it's just been a blast every time I've seen them on Instagram.

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So it's really cool to see that you're reaching out to all the fans.

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And also, more just Hey Arnold fans, but I think just animation fans in general

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and also just, you know, comic convention goers as well.

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So I think that's really cool what you're doing.

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I hope you're going to do some more in the future.

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It's really fun.

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It's everything it should be really, because it's not, they're not that crowded.

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You know, even, even when things are going fine and we're all, you know,

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we're all doing pretty good business.

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There's hardly any weight.

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You can just walk up to our table and talk to us, which people don't, you know,

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it's not always that way.

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There are some people who like, you know, Gray Delisle is an old friend too.

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And she, she and Olivia and, and they've all worked on the same shows together.

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But Gray is, I think it's because she's also, she's got her whole kind of music

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career as well as this huge resume of fantastic performances as a voiceover

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actor, but Gray's kind of the rock star and there's, and plenty of others.

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There's lots of voiceover stars there that you'll see a long line of people

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waiting to get an autograph and I might, it might be harder to hang out with them

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and really talk, but not me.

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It's my table's, you know, not that big of a deal.

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And so, and also I come with Natasha.

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So the two of us have each other for company when we're doing it.

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And it just makes it a blast.

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We like going on adventures and this definitely falls in that category.

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Oh yeah, definitely.

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Okay.

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So for everybody who's in listening land, let me tell you what we do with

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the Hang On Anniversary show.

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Fans had an opportunity to email us, craig at arameta.show.

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And once again, we get hundreds and hundreds of questions.

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And what we normally do in this situation is we take the most popular of the

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questions and then we ask them to Craig and then Craig answers them.

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So pretty straightforward.

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There's no categories.

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There's no like format in this.

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So what we're going to do is, is that, you know, normally what happens is

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we usually end up asking a question.

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It ends up being kind of like a two minute kind of thing.

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And so, but Craig, I know you love to talk about this, you know, for

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a lot longer than that.

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So what we've done is this situation.

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I've actually just kind of like, just kind of separated all into

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like nine questions.

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And so we're going to talk about that for the hour.

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And we just give you a chance to, you know, shoot off on everything

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that you say aren't related and maybe some other things that we might

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be able to get into as well.

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So, yeah, there's always, you know, it's really easy for there to be kind

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of, you know, things on the side, you know, there's something, some

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collateral point of interest that we talk about it always that the

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conversation is always very free ranging.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, that's still going to stay here, but we're going to just

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limit, kind of cover the questions.

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And hopefully this will cover most of the things.

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By the way, if you don't hear your question in this episode of the

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show, check out all the other Hey Arnold!

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anniversary shows because likelihood is that me and Craig have

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already talked about it.

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So check out those other episodes once you're done with this one.

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It's true.

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Okay.

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Craig, are you ready?

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Yes, I'm ready.

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Okay.

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Here we go.

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Question one, looking back at how Arnold and Helga's relationship

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has evolved over the series.

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How do you reflect on how it played out?

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What were your favorite events and what would you have done differently

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to what was decided in the 1990s and the 2000s?

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Very good question.

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Since the relationship of Arnold and Helga really is probably central

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to the entire series and really what kind of drove us when we were

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making both movies was we felt like their relationship was the

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it was the A story, you know, and

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I think I feel very good about how things were allowed to play out.

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I felt like when I started the show, the pitch was that she hates

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him, but she secretly loves him.

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And Nickelodeon was completely down with that.

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They didn't have any notes.

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They was like, yeah, that sounds funny and cool.

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And so as it as it evolved and went along, I didn't get any

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interference from them that they didn't like what we were doing.

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And so we were doing exactly what we wanted to with the Helga

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Arnold relationship.

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I remember Steve Vickston and I talking about where that relationship

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was going, you know, regularly as we worked on the show.

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We always were talking about where that was going because I'd made

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it clear that in my mind, they're soulmates and and that would

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be extra funny if there if things had ups and downs for these

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soulmates who are always going to be together.

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It's inevitable.

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And Steve wrote Married, which is a really entertaining look at

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their future and and you know, because it's a cartoon, there's

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like terrible that goes through a terrible place.

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It goes to a beautiful place just like us when we don't we don't

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know what the future is.

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And so we just kind of daydream about it and all that felt very

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very cool to me.

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It felt like, you know, I like I like the Helga dreams so hard

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and she wants things so badly.

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She has so much passion that I and she gets in her own way.

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You know, she she she she has to kind of like clear get herself

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out of the out of you know, what she's doing out of the thing

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so she can really get what she wants and will she ever learn

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how to how to truly express herself without, you know, alienating

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herself from everybody.

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I think she will she's she's a really great complicated character

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who is a work in progress and even at the end of the Jungle

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movie, you know, to answer that question, one of my favorite

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things was planning the Jungle movie with with my fellow

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writers and directors and artists.

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We we talked about it so much or eight of us that broke that

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story down in a long weekend of sessions where I basically

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had a big whiteboard and told them, you know, this is the

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outline.

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I gave everybody the outline and I said, but you know, I still

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there's lots of stuff to figure out and we were it was really

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clear to us if the funniest thing would be for Helga has

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told him and she told him in the first movie, you know, and

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then they agreed to pretend that it had not even happened

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and that must have been extremely frustrating to her for

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the next year or so in the in the timeline of the Arnold

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Cannon knowing that Arnold she did this giant confession to

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him and and now they're pretending it's not true and it's

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very like her to go.

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We'll find him.

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I'm just going to be mean to you again, maybe meaner than

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ever and and then the jungle movie and that story as we

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know is Helga, you know, spoilers here that movies been

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out for almost 10 years now.

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So y'all can just deal with it.

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But I really love that.

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She's her old self at the start of the movie and completely

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abusing him and acting like he's an idiot and confessing

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me into her locket that she really loves him and all that

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stuff is happening.

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So you're like, wow, they they aren't getting there.

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They're still in the same place and I really enjoyed her

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confession on the riverboat and she's trying to tell him

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but she can't quite and then as usual Pirates attack.

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So they really have to stop and I think maybe her scream

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that makes all the birds come up flying up out of the

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jungle when she's foiled once again Arnold had to run down

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and see what the what the you know what that boat was and

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so she just screams in rage and tears up her her locket

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picture and throws it overboard.

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I think that's really fun.

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I love that she does that.

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I love that then she has a change of heart when they're

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all captured and she sees Arnold crying through the little

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crack in the in the stonewall and and she once again,

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you know block her real self comes out again and she's

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like, oh, I'll do anything to help you Arnold and

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Brainy gives her back to all that stuff and the end is

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wonderful.

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I think I think the scene they have in the temple where

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Arnold tells her that he loves her back and that's incredibly

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satisfying super fun to make and and I think we we,

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you know checked all the boxes in my opinion.

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We were trying to with the jungle movie.

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I really want to deliver a satisfying answer to every

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question and and and have everything be tied up in case

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we never made more stuff.

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You know, that's always how we have to go as we as we

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make each movie or each special or anything like that.

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You don't know if it'll be your last.

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So I'm really happy with how it came out and in the very

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end when she they meet up in the same thing just like in

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a book and from the start where they all almost crash

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into each other again at the very end of the story and

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Gerald takes Phoebe's hand and they walk off happily and

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then Arnold tries to take Helga sand.

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She's like who said you could touch me that that's just

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that's fine.

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You know, we know everybody knows where she's at and and

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everyone knows where Arnold's at.

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And so they're you know, these two are going to have a hopefully

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really entertaining, you know kind of on-again off-again

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relationship for the rest of their lives.

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Yeah, the one thing I loved about that at the very end is

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I mean Gerald offers his hand and Phoebe takes it, but

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then Arnold kind of goes and grabs Helga and Helga does

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see it quite romantic but then asserts her independence

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as you know, someone as a as a you know, not as you know,

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just an object of affections of Arnold.

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She is our own independent woman.

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I think that's right.

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You know, that's respected.

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It really is.

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I always defend people when they yeah, exactly.

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So I always defend Helga in that situation.

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Yeah, Helga's behavior may seem she can she can be cruel

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and she can she can say awful things, but I think her

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behavior in general as a as an independent, you know,

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self-reliant person is really commendable and as a role

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model, give me Helga.

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Yeah, well, Arnold's a good role model too.

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Yeah, but after all the things that she's been through,

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you can't really blame it for acting the way that way.

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I mean like Helga on the couch obviously gave us, you know,

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open that door for everybody to see and so and to say

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while we're on the subject of Helga and the Pataki's

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because it seems to be going in that direction.

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Let's go into the second question.

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So if the Pataki spin-off was revived today in 2025,

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would you have changed its tone, its structure, its musical

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style or would you have argued to keep the original

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premise? What a great question.

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You can tell that it's now been, I think that was from 20

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from 2000 was that document that was leaked.

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Yeah, I've seen that.

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And when I looked at it, I was like, you know, that's very

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it's it is what it is.

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It was something that I made and when I looked at it,

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I thought that that's really a first draft that doesn't

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feel like it's it's really there yet.

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I like I got the big strokes in there the idea that Arnold

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is left and he's he's they're kind of being a part

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and she's writing to him.

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But every day basically it makes it a basically an epistolary

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story where Helga frames it with, you know, dear Arnold

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this you won't believe what happened.

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And I like that idea for a start.

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I like the idea of where the characters were 15 seems like

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a fun, you know, particularly emo age for for Helga and

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the kids and I love the idea of we thought it was very

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funny that Olga is back from college and can't get her

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acting career started and she's just kind of home being

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a pain in the ass and that there's plenty there.

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I think their dynamic would be really funny and I like

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where Bob was headed, you know, kind of post beeper still

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trying to be some kind of a hustler and becoming a little

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bit more mafioso in style, even though the Association

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in 2000 the Sopranos was on, you know, Sopranos is one

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of the biggest shows and we we really love that kind of

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Sopranos idea.

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Now that's that's an old idea, you know, and so it is true

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that in 2025, no doubt if I if I was given the chance to

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do the Pataki's I would probably gather a group of my

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friends, you know as as leads because I you know, I'm

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really aware that when you make an animated series you

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need a good group an inner group of leads probably about

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four or five people that are going to be helping you with

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the art that are going to be helping you with the backgrounds

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and the design and overall art direction helping you produce

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it and you know music all those things and the writing

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obviously you need to put together and need to put

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together a team of writers and so in doing that I would

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probably do something similar to what I did with the Jungle

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Movie and I workshop it with a group of us a tight group

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of people and we would make a document that was probably

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wouldn't be very much like the one 2001 at all because you

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know the world just keeps changing.

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Yeah, the the marketplace has changed profoundly since

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then, you know, you you think about where things are in

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2025.

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We're all trying just not to be replaced by AI let alone

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yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, networks to take a chance on it on a crazy idea.

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I just wonder because obviously the Pataki's came back today.

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I mean, we're just saying hypothetically here.

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I mean, obviously Big Bob Pataki as a dad character obviously

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would I mean they seem to be more sarcastic dads now on

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TV.

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So I think he would be less Fred Flintstone and it became

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a bit more like, you know, where this kind of more giving

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social commentary really like from a from a from like a

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50 year olds perspective really rather than like, you know,

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I'm not saying he's gonna go Hank Hill or anything like

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that.

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But I think, you know, he would probably be a bit more

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toned down.

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I probably would imagine and I mean, yeah, exactly.

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So I think I think if you asked me in 2025 at the

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Pataki's came back today, I think yeah, I think there

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will be quite a few changes that would have like, you

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know, the foot the 90s and 2000s, fortunately all 30

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years ago at this point.

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So yeah, I feel old anyway.

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Yeah, let's segue from that.

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Shall we question three out of Arnold Helga Gerald and

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Phoebe, which personality did you like watching develop

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over time?

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I probably would have to give it to Helga.

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I love those four really are they're all really fun.

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They all had a chance to have many of their own episodes

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and especially Arnold of course, but hell, you know,

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how many times we've talked about how people say you

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could almost call the show.

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Hey Helga because she's she's is such a breakout character.

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And so I think following her evolution was so fun.

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You know, you you got to see her kind of forever be

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growing and changing at the same time and like we just

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talked about the very end of the Canon so far as the

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end of the jungle movie and she's basically going I'm

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asserting all over again that I'm Helga.

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I'm not you know, I'm not gonna you can't just take my

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hand, you know, and I think so the more things change

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the more they stay the same which I think is also really

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true of real life.

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I all my friends that I've known for my whole life.

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I feel like they're simply more so every year and some

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people have gone through some some big changes but most

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people don't you know, they they are essentially who

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they are from childhood through their through their

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life and and the nice thing about living a long time

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is that you you be able to have the kind of the wisdom

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that you get from seeing that just seeing people

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essentially being who they are.

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So I love what really what we were allowed to do with

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all four of those characters.

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We were allowed to develop them so much because we got

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to do a bunch of Gerald episodes and a bunch of Phoebe

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episodes and you really all we did was find out who

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they truly were on a deeper and deeper level.

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So yeah, Helga probably had to go through the most

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changes because she she had to just finally, you know

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speak her mind and and tell Arnold how she really

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felt and that was cool and Arnold had to grow a lot

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too because we always made boys kind of a little dance

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and kind of behind the curve and they didn't quite

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know what the girls were were doing and even Arnold

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you can see at the very end.

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He's ready to to to accept Helga and tell her that he

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really loves her.

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I think for me, I mean putting Helga aside because

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we talked Helga to death pretty much in the last 20

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minutes, but I mean for me or Arnold Arnold I noticed

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in season one, I think was far more activist.

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I think he was far more like wanting to go in head

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strong and even though you know Arnold is kind of

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like the calm center of like all the craziness that

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goes on around him.

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But so, you know, I think you in the earlier seasons

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I think Arnold could be pushed but I noticed that

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when we get to say towards like maybe halfway through

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season three towards season four season five.

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I noticed that he's a bit more rational in his

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thoughts and it's like, well, hey, let's just take

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a step back for a second.

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Let's just see what's going on here.

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You know, like where there is, you know, say look,

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you know, principal Ward's house isn't dead.

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Okay, you know, like, you know, like the crazy

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things that you're all going about here may not

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actually be the case, you know, like maybe there's

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one episode like, you know, in in the last seasons

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when we go to the student court and Eugene's been

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put on trial for like, you know, pulling the fire

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alarm, you know, maybe that's the time when we see

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Arnold kind of think let's push back from like all

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the craziness.

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Let's go in here.

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It kind of gives you a scary idea of like what

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jury duties actually is.

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Yeah, but anyway, I digress.

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So that's my feelings towards Arnold.

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Gerald, I mean, is the cool best friend and also

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he's like, you know, the player as well.

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And you notice that his immaturity is in the last

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season.

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Then as you go further on, he starts to get an idea

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of like, you know, relationships with his family

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like being out on his own.

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And then, you know, he gets an appreciation for

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the fact that, you know, he shouldn't take things

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so quickly and like he should really appreciate

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the things that he has now because, you know, when

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it gets taken away, he really, you know, were

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same thing with like when he sells the Waco watches

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or like when he moves out into Arnold's boarding

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house, like those things as well.

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And then with Phoebe, in my opinion, I think you

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notice that she is basically like, you know, the

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sidekick of Helga and she's very, you know, easily

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manipulated.

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But then as that's what happens like in the first

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couple of seasons, but then as you start to get

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to towards the end of it, you start to realize

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that her dad gives her a lot of confidence and

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also gives her a lot of like advice and you know,

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George Takei, I think does a fantastic job, you

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know, playing Phoebe's dad.

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And but then you see, you know, she starts to

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learn life lessons, you know, with like, you know,

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with the episode where she met her hero and then

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found out that he's an absolute fraud and then

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she gets confidence from that.

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Like it's easy to be fooled by a pretty face and

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she learns a lesson from that.

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Helga actually helps her out with that too.

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So, you know, so I think obviously Helga obviously

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is like the most interesting out of the four out

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of the, you know, going from one side to another.

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They're definitely when you get to Helga on the

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couch, but you know, the three characters and

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there are some other characters in the show also

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get their moments as well.

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Yeah, yeah, no kidding.

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Even that those four all got plenty of their own

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episodes, but that basic kind of squad of about

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12 people really all got to have episodes.

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So it it's really fun.

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And you're right.

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They do learn things along the way that are pretty

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life-changing and you can you can tell they're

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kind of going to build on that Harold being the

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best example, but that's what's really fun about

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it and is that they all they all get to improve

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a little bit, but only so much because you want

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to always have that kind of return to the status

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quo and have those same relationships kind of

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hold so that you could watch episode 100 or

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episode one and still kind of feel like they're

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all like the characters that you've met.

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Yeah, but when I was in Milwaukee, many people

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told me that hell got on the couch was their

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favorite episode.

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Oh, yeah, it's probably the you know, we are all

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the episodes.

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I mean, there's parents day.

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There's Helga on the couch.

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I mean, it's funny.

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The emotional most hard-hitting episodes of

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Hey Arnold tend to be the ones that tend to

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stick out.

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Yeah, that they want to tell me obvious reasons.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Question four.

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How do you feel about Hey Arnold's approach to

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representation?

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This includes LGBTQ plus characters and neo-divergent

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traits and the impact that they've had on the

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fans.

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That's a great question to people wanted to talk

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to me about that at the con.

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I think people wanted really often want to tell

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me that they felt seen, you know, they saw

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something happen and they felt seen.

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So that's really lucky because we were in the

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90s when we were making the show.

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And then also, I guess you could say when we

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came back and in the teens to make the Jungle

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movie that could be maybe the whole run of that

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storyline.

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We were still kind of early in the days of that

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kind of representation.

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And I think now I think it would be much more

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difficult to just do the kind of seat of the

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pants stuff that we did where we'd say, you

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know, fine Simmons is gay or or Eugene is kind

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of proto gay.

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He's gonna he's gonna be gay and and we we we

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thought we'll just do it.

494
00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:03,800
And then our minds will understand that that's

495
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,400
where they're coming from and we won't worry

496
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,300
about it beyond that.

497
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,100
It's not like we have to explain ourselves very

498
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,200
well and or just let it be and it was easy with

499
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,800
the Dan but Dan Butler who played Mr.

500
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,500
Simmons because as a guy a working guy who'd

501
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:25,600
been, you know, out and gay in his career and

502
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,500
also played the Bulldog character on Frasier.

503
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,400
And so he kind of played that against type.

504
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,200
He loved being just as if what if I what if I

505
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,000
Dan Butler was a teacher and I I really wanted

506
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,900
to do the very best job I could I was really

507
00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:42,300
enthusiastically coming to it every day and

508
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,500
expected the very best of all my students and

509
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,100
you felt like it was just like a real person and

510
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:50,000
his fact that he was gay was not it wasn't what

511
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
the character was about.

512
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,100
It was just that that happened to be how he was.

513
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,100
So I felt like we were really lucky in those

514
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,100
days. We could just have our plan cast it and

515
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,500
do it and then just see what happened.

516
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:05,500
There was none of the kind of note-giving that

517
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:06,800
I think you'd get now.

518
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,100
I think you'd have a lot more it would be much

519
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,500
more difficult to do the things we were setting

520
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,000
out to do in the 90s.

521
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,900
Yeah, I think representation definitely is

522
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:15,400
important.

523
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,400
But in regards to the Mr.

524
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,000
Simmons character, at least in my opinion, like

525
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,800
the idea that like he is, you know, a new

526
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,300
generation of teacher.

527
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,200
He is very passionate about his job.

528
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,800
He is very passionate about his kids.

529
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,900
He, you know, he has a partner that cares about

530
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:34,300
him, you know, and they, you know, I think, you

531
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:37,100
know, for me, you know, it was important for,

532
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,000
you know, Mr.

533
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,500
Simmons to be part of like LGBTQ.

534
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,800
But I think that kind of became secondary.

535
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,900
Like it's kind of like it's, you know, yeah, he

536
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:46,700
happens to be gay.

537
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,800
But I mean, he's still a fantastic character.

538
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,100
I mean, regardless of that.

539
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:52,900
And he's someone that can inspire other people to

540
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,800
be, you know, maybe just as fun and as friendly

541
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,200
as him.

542
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,900
So I think that's good representation.

543
00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:02,200
I mean, let's be honest, that stands the test of

544
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,700
time. That's the reason we still talk about Mr.

545
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:04,600
Simmons 30 years later.

546
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Like there's characters like, you know, the

547
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,000
Silver Spooner who like, you know, dial in for

548
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,800
Monkey, like we don't talk about him anymore for

549
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,800
obvious reasons.

550
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,700
And but, you know, like, you know, there's some

551
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:18,500
characters that, you know, try to kind of be that

552
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:20,300
but just failed miserably.

553
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,200
And we just ended up being kind of like a really

554
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000
grotesque, you know, caricature.

555
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,100
And then you have characters like Mr.

556
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,200
Simmons, like this is how you do this right.

557
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,900
Well, thank you.

558
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,500
I'm glad you feel that way.

559
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,700
And I it does seem like we yeah, the characters

560
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,100
did stand the test of time.

561
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,800
And I'm grateful that I was able to do it in the

562
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,500
90s when things were very experimental and we were

563
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:43,900
really allowed to go go our own way and see if it

564
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:44,600
worked or not.

565
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:47,700
And so I'm more like the parents television

566
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:49,500
councils breathing on everybody's next during the

567
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:50,000
90s.

568
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,000
Yeah.

569
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,700
Anyway, I digress.

570
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:53,900
Okay.

571
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:57,400
Question five during your time in Nickelodeon.

572
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,900
What were some of those surprising behind-the-scene

573
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,800
moments during production and changes to the way

574
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200
animation and voice acting was done over those

575
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,100
two decades?

576
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,500
Oh, that's that's great too, because I didn't even

577
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:15,900
realize when I set up the our production of Hey

578
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:21,600
Arnold, how little the rest of the industry was

579
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,100
going to resemble the way we did it in terms of

580
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:25,900
bringing the actors in and recording them.

581
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
And I went to Cartoon Network and after that in

582
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,700
the 2000s and I was kind of shocked that everybody

583
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,100
recorded one person at a time, maybe two at a

584
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:38,400
time it tops and we used to bring the whole crew

585
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,800
into a great big stage in Burbank and record them

586
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,600
all at once.

587
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,400
We had it.

588
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,700
We had a big open stage and they they were kind of

589
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,700
concerned at first about microphones bleeding, you

590
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,600
know, people's people's mics bleeding over each

591
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,200
other and making it impossible for us to edit

592
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,200
because we have two voices that were on the same

593
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:58,600
track.

594
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200
And I said and only you know, they kind of put up

595
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,700
a little bit sometimes a little kind of sound

596
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,000
baffles between them separated out the mics a

597
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400
little bit, but the truth was we always recorded

598
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Hey Arnold in a great big stage or a big room as

599
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,700
we as we went from studio to studio.

600
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,700
It had everybody there we had chairs along the

601
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,000
back wall and adults and kids just sat there in

602
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,100
their chair and if they felt like I'm not I'm not

603
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,600
in this for another 10 pages, they might go to

604
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,700
the green room and hang out.

605
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,200
But in general the kids especially love to sit

606
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,400
there and listen, you know, they love to watch

607
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,100
their friends do their scenes and I felt like

608
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:38,800
that was the real difference and it was the

609
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,700
behind the scenes was that when you picture

610
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,000
Hey Arnold being recorded picture me in there

611
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,300
with them and the engineer and and you know,

612
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:49,800
maybe the writers the producers in the booth

613
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:51,900
where they couldn't be heard and they they'd get

614
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:53,900
on the button and talk to me into my headset and

615
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,700
say that wasn't a very good take.

616
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,000
Don't you think we should do the writers might

617
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
get an idea where they would go.

618
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800
How about if he said it this way, but I was in

619
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200
there directing them and all of us were making

620
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,800
the show is if we were putting on a radio play

621
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:09,800
and you've ever seen Garrison Keillor do his

622
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,800
live radio play.

623
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,000
Yeah, I've seen those clips.

624
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
In fact, you know the one doing that same idea

625
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,000
they'll have even have a Foley guy making sound

626
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,400
effects to kind of add to the atmosphere of the

627
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,300
radio show.

628
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:24,700
But that's what we were going for.

629
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:26,700
We were going for kind of like a little, you

630
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,700
know, a live radio show where you could hear

631
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:31,600
the story start from the beginning and go all

632
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,300
the way to the end.

633
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:32,600
Yeah.

634
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,600
Well the radio the BBC radio for drama.

635
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,100
The archers have been doing that for decades

636
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:37,500
and I'm sure you're right.

637
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:39,700
It probably comes from an ancient tradition,

638
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:43,000
you know, as old as radio as old as like

639
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,900
vaudeville theater.

640
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:44,400
Yeah.

641
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Yeah.

642
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000
And but the one thing I always loved going

643
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800
back to is I remember going back all the

644
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,600
behind-the-scenes stuff like, you know, angry

645
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,600
beavers recess, you know, some of like, you know,

646
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,600
where the the old cars and you see like all

647
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,200
backstage and like they're all together like on

648
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400
in studio doing like all the recording they're

649
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,500
all together doing it and it just feels so

650
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:03,600
natural when you're seeing it and the one thing

651
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,600
I really loved and I will defend this to the day

652
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,200
I die.

653
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:08,900
Where's Anderson's fantastic, Mr.

654
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:11,700
Fox and the way that they recorded that going

655
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:13,800
outside going into this thing and just making

656
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,200
it sound so unique and making it sound so real

657
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,300
and I just love stuff like that.

658
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,600
I honestly can't believe how cool that was.

659
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400
I love when you see the video they did of

660
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,100
George Clooney and Bill Murray and Meryl Streep

661
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:30,900
running around outside.

662
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,600
I'm kind of I'm thrilled that Wes Anderson

663
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,100
had so much charisma by then he had such

664
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,900
he was he was he had enough, you know, heat

665
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:42,200
that he could even get Clooney and and Streep

666
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:45,000
to to play along with that.

667
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:47,000
And I again, I totally agree.

668
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,300
Mr.

669
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,000
Fox is really truly one of the great animated

670
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
features of all time.

671
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,100
Yeah, don't get me wrong like my buddy Mark

672
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,400
Gustafson RIP.

673
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,500
Yeah, you're gonna be wrong.

674
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,000
Like, you know, some of the modern stuff that's

675
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,400
so recently come I mean during the pandemic.

676
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,400
I mean you had no choice.

677
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,900
I mean people had to record their voices like,

678
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,800
you know, when inside like, you know, a broom

679
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,300
closet in the house and things like that.

680
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:05,400
There's no choice between that.

681
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,100
But you know, yeah, like, you know, oh, hey,

682
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:08,600
we're going to spend three hundred million

683
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,800
dollars like putting this thing together.

684
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:12,800
And like it's like, oh, hey, where are all

685
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,600
the voice actors are?

686
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,700
Oh, they're just all like, you know, in

687
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,100
cubicles like in there.

688
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,200
And he's like, really?

689
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,900
It's like it's just all this money in the world.

690
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,300
You can't make it sound like, you know, even

691
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:22,300
more authentic than that.

692
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,500
Like I agree.

693
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:23,900
Yeah.

694
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:26,300
And it's really worth the it's worth the effort

695
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,500
to do with the old school way that I was

696
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,500
describing because believe me, these actors

697
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,300
are very sensitive to to the scene they're doing

698
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,100
and they they love there's nothing they love

699
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,600
more than to be live with you and the other

700
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,000
actors and if they get the biggest laugh,

701
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:45,300
they're thrilled.

702
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:46,500
It's such a they get set.

703
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,100
The kids got such a kick out of doing a scene

704
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:50,600
and watching us all crack up.

705
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,600
They were, you know, that's really where it

706
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:52,900
comes from.

707
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,200
And it also includes the adults, Maurice LaMarche

708
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,200
who played Big Bob.

709
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,000
He never would do a session without first just

710
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
cracking jokes until we were all laughing

711
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,600
until we were crying and then he'd finally be

712
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,900
like, okay, good.

713
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,100
I got everybody.

714
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,600
I got everybody where I want him and now I'll

715
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,300
be the scene.

716
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:10,200
Well, I just love it.

717
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Like I used to be in school plays and I used

718
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,200
to be like, you know, doing stage shows and

719
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,800
things like that.

720
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,400
And I just love the idea.

721
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,700
Like, you know, we'd be rehearsing like, you

722
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,200
know, certain scenes like everybody would be

723
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,800
gathered around and like, you know, we would

724
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,600
either, you know, do it take and you go really

725
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,100
well and everyone be really impressed or like,

726
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,900
you know, we goof around a little bit with it

727
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,500
and like everyone to be laughing and like it

728
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:28,600
would just be so much fun.

729
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,800
And yeah, so I totally get where you're coming

730
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,100
from.

731
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,900
And, you know, we're because I'm sort of part

732
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,600
of that myself in my in my younger days.

733
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,200
So anyway, just to let you guys know, we are

734
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,900
currently the halfway point of the 29th

735
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:41,500
Hey Arnold Anniversary Show.

736
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,500
So thank you very much, Craig, for persevering

737
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:44,800
so far.

738
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,500
We like everybody's questions with that.

739
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,300
And just to let you guys know, if you want

740
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,600
to check out the rest of the Aaron Meta show,

741
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,600
I am on aranmeta.show.

742
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,000
That's A-R-U-N-M-E-H-T-A.S-H-O-W.

743
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,400
And also you can find me on Instagram on

744
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,300
Aaron Meta Show, A-R-U-N-M-E-H-T-A-S-H-O-W.

745
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,500
You can find me on, if you want to ask me a

746
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,300
question on Tumblr, it's aranmeta.tumblr.com.

747
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,000
And if you want to find me on Blue Sky, I'm

748
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,500
also Aaron Meta over there as well.

749
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
So, sorry to pay the bills there just for

750
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,000
myself.

751
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,800
So we'll continue on with the questions.

752
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,100
We're great.

753
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,300
By the way, Craig, while we're in the halfway

754
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,400
point, do you want to promote all your social

755
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,100
media stuff and tell everybody where you can

756
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:22,900
find you?

757
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:23,600
Thank you.

758
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:31,100
I am still at Craig Bartlett at Instagram.

759
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,900
There's one place where I bother to post

760
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,100
things and I find it to be every bit as

761
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,400
important as it's ever been.

762
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,900
And in fact, even more so because since I was

763
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:47,300
selling original Arnold art on eBay and Etsy,

764
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:49,500
I just decided this year, you know, Natasha

765
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,100
and I built craig.bartlett.com and so that

766
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,600
website is where you can do all the same

767
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,500
stuff and more.

768
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:59,100
We put all kinds of other swag on there too,

769
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,400
the posters and the books.

770
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:08,300
That's craig.bartlett.com.

771
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,800
Yeah, by the way, they'll be in the description

772
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,600
below by the way.

773
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,200
So make sure that you click it.

774
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,900
Yeah, and it's also the link that you can

775
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,900
go to when you go to my Instagram.

776
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:21,500
The link is in the bio and so it can take

777
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:22,200
you right there.

778
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,400
I find that social media still remains the way

779
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,500
that I drive people to that content.

780
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:32,300
Whenever we do a new sell drop or something,

781
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,300
I post about it and then that immediately

782
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:35,400
brings people to the site.

783
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600
So it's fun to do.

784
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,800
It's really, you know, in these crazy times

785
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,400
and me going to cons is very much along the

786
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,200
very same lines.

787
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800
I promote my con appearances on Instagram

788
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,800
and then people know to go and so do all the

789
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,500
other people there.

790
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:53,400
It's very funny to be able to hang with my

791
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,100
old compadres from Arnold and from Nickelodeon

792
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:58,800
and from Cartoon Network and from Disney.

793
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,800
They're all there and they are all doing

794
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,100
the same side hustle that I am and I don't

795
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,300
know to each person how, to what extent

796
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,300
they're becoming entrepreneurs of their art.

797
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,400
But that seems to be the world we're living

798
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,000
in now and especially with the business being

799
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,700
so bad for new animation and for original,

800
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:18,200
especially original animation.

801
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,900
The fact that we all are doing this makes a lot

802
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,500
of sense and so I'm glad it exists.

803
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:25,300
It's really fun.

804
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,800
I like to post stuff and I'm finding I'm more

805
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,000
posting stuff about Arnold and about just

806
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,300
entertainment in general than doing anything

807
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,800
political because not really, I don't want to

808
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,500
have that fight.

809
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:37,800
Yeah, exactly.

810
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,900
Well, I like to just entertain.

811
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Yeah, because I mean, if anything, the online

812
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,500
community is starting to become like the new

813
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:45,200
frontier for like to find new.

814
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,400
So you will have been hotel.

815
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,500
We've had a hell of a boss.

816
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,100
And recently Dana Terrace recently released

817
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,000
the pilot episode of the Knights of Guinevere

818
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,700
and that has been highly talked about amongst

819
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:57,200
the, you know, people who are former fans of

820
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,800
the Owl House.

821
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,600
So that's something that's also going.

822
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,100
Yeah, I just saw that too.

823
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,900
Yeah, it's something isn't it?

824
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:03,300
Yeah.

825
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,300
So what I mean, who knows maybe the online

826
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:07,300
community is going to be the next generation

827
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:09,000
of artists that we're all going to get really

828
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,600
excited about.

829
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,900
So I'm sure you're right.

830
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,400
I remember when you know, things like the

831
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,900
water cartoon show and oh yeah cartoons and

832
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,400
you know, this is the opportunity where, you

833
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,500
know, I'm like Seth McFarlane and Kenny

834
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,300
Tarkovsky can get, you know, get his feet

835
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,300
further under the table.

836
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,400
And the next thing you know, we have the

837
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,300
cartoon cartoons and he gave Cartoon Network

838
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,200
its huge generation for that for that time.

839
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,100
So I mean, I mean, anyway, we were kind of

840
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:31,200
going off topic here a little bit.

841
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,900
But I'm basically saying is that, you know,

842
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:34,600
the online community could actually could be,

843
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,900
you know, the bring us the next generation

844
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:38,700
of animators that, you know, could go above

845
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,200
and beyond and, you know, create our next,

846
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,300
you know, Dreamworks and Pixar movies or like,

847
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,600
you know, even just, you know, doing our

848
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,700
usual cartoon stuff.

849
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,600
So who knows?

850
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,500
There we go.

851
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,100
Yeah.

852
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,900
All right, then let's get back into the

853
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:50,200
questions because I'm sure everybody's

854
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,400
a budget me to do it.

855
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,100
So question six is which fan theory or

856
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,000
unresolved mystery do you think gains the

857
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,700
most traction stinky being a vampire or

858
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,400
Arnold having a crush on Olga?

859
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,900
I've not I've not seen that one.

860
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,200
To be honest with you, I wasn't really

861
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,100
aware of that.

862
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,200
Well, yeah, if he did, what would be the

863
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,000
consequences?

864
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,600
I'm not sure.

865
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
I'm not sure where that I wonder if it's

866
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,400
because you remember the episode student

867
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,900
teacher where Olga comes back home from

868
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,300
and then ends up getting kind of involved

869
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,100
in Helga's business and then the next

870
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,500
thing, you know, she's tutoring Arnold

871
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:24,700
and maybe people go because that is the

872
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:26,200
last straw straw.

873
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,900
Yeah, that makes sense.

874
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,400
But it was nothing more than a kind of

875
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,400
a single gag.

876
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,700
It wasn't it wasn't like Arnold is

877
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,400
obsessed with Olga because he's yeah,

878
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,800
it's like it just seems to be like, look,

879
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,700
I know we had Arnold and Ruth.

880
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,600
I know we've had Arnold and you know,

881
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,200
and Lila as well.

882
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,100
But I mean, it just seems like just

883
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:46,300
everyone needs to kind of like calm

884
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:47,400
down a little bit with the shipping

885
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,100
because it's like not every female that

886
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,100
Arnold is hanging out with doesn't mean

887
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100
that he has a crush on him.

888
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,900
OK, I mean, obviously that was like the

889
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:55,200
whole teacher thing, but obviously that

890
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,600
was just a teacher crush if any.

891
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,000
Right.

892
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,800
Exactly.

893
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,300
Yeah.

894
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:00,800
And yeah, I don't picture

895
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,900
I don't the kind of things we used to do

896
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,300
when when we were doing the first

897
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,200
hundred episodes and I remember Steve

898
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,700
suggested Lila as he thought that would

899
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,200
just be funny to let's give Arnold

900
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,600
somebody else to concentrate on.

901
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,500
And that can drive Helga crazy and

902
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,100
that could drive some stories.

903
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,500
But when we got into it,

904
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:19,500
we I actually was like, you know,

905
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,600
by the time we got to our hundred

906
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,300
episodes, I wrote that episode.

907
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,800
Timberley loves Arnold because I

908
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
that's where Timberley and and Lila

909
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,300
kind of team up and he goes out

910
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:32,300
with them and does stuff.

911
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,000
And he asked to confess to Timberley

912
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,300
that he was really doing it because

913
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,500
he he want it was an opportunity

914
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,400
to be to be close to Lila.

915
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,300
And at the end when she comes and

916
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,100
tells him that she's, you know,

917
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,100
disappointed with him for not doing

918
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,000
something right, you can tell he's

919
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:47,600
done with her.

920
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,100
He's just like, oh, I have enough.

921
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,200
And that was that was really

922
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,200
why I wrote that.

923
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,600
I wanted to clear the decks,

924
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,700
get Lila out of the picture and

925
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,200
make make the the first movie

926
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,900
Arnold Saves the Neighborhood,

927
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,600
which we ended up calling a movie.

928
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Yeah.

929
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
And the jungle movie that follows,

930
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,800
which we're going to be about the

931
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,500
primary relationship with the whole

932
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,300
series, Arnold Arnold and Helga.

933
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,500
And so I really tend to kind of get

934
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:16,200
those distractions out of the picture.

935
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400
And I I'm not really interested

936
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,400
in in having problems with Olga.

937
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:21,700
She's her own thing.

938
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,900
She and Helga have their own

939
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:23,700
relationship.

940
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:25,900
But what Stinky is a vampire?

941
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Sure, that's fun.

942
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,300
I think because I think people

943
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,100
like, oh, that's a fun theory.

944
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:32,900
Is he or isn't he?

945
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:34,600
That's really I think at the end

946
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,900
of the vampire episode, I think

947
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:37,000
everyone just thought he's canon,

948
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,400
like, you know, Stinky's a vampire

949
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,200
and, you know, like, yeah.

950
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,900
So yeah, he's got the haunted

951
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:42,800
side to him, I guess.

952
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:45,400
So, you know, it's funny, too.

953
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,200
Sometimes we'll get into

954
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
conversations about magic in the show.

955
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,100
And gee, that was too magic

956
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:50,900
that this happened.

957
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:52,600
And, you know, that's not real enough.

958
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,100
I mean, look at the whole series.

959
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,000
There's so much ridiculous

960
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,200
stuff that Stinky seems to be

961
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,300
revealed as a vampire

962
00:38:58,300 --> 00:38:59,200
at the end of that episode

963
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,300
is a perfect example

964
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,600
of the kind of silly stuff

965
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,900
we would do on a regular basis,

966
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,600
because we didn't we didn't care.

967
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:07,900
I really hope you cannot turn my

968
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,600
says, oh, that's not very realistic.

969
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,800
Go be kind of reminded not so

970
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,900
that the main character of this show

971
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,100
is a kid with a football shaped head.

972
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,500
His eyes are out here.

973
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,600
And his hair is just like, you know,

974
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,900
oh, yeah, his hair is three feet long.

975
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,200
Yeah, I think I think you

976
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,600
kind of need to wind that back,

977
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,600
you know, in regards to how

978
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,000
real the show actually can be.

979
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,500
Could you could you imagine them

980
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:30,700
doing like, you know, a live action?

981
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:32,100
Hey, Arnold, good grief.

982
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,600
People have asked me

983
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,000
who I would get to play Arnold.

984
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,400
And I'm like, I don't know, man.

985
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,500
How could you you?

986
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:39,300
You'd have to have a

987
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:40,600
regular headed kid.

988
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:42,600
Yeah, somebody having a

989
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,500
that would be that would be.

990
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,000
Yeah, it'd be like it'd be like

991
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,900
this really like, you know,

992
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,100
really awkward kind of like,

993
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:50,800
you know, thing or it'd be like,

994
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,100
you know, CGI, which obviously

995
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,100
no one's going to want.

996
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,700
And it's like, no, yeah,

997
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:56,500
it's like, yeah, I've seen people

998
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:57,500
like to do.

999
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:58,600
Yeah, I've seen fans like you on

1000
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,600
DV and I actually do like,

1001
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,100
you know, realistic versions of like,

1002
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:01,900
you know, hey, I don't like,

1003
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:02,800
you know, the head and the skin

1004
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,200
and everything. It was horrible.

1005
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,800
Like, you know, it always does.

1006
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,100
Yeah, we're not doing that.

1007
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:10,100
So all right then.

1008
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,200
So let's move on to question seven,

1009
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
which is many fans believe

1010
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,600
family dynamics played a huge part

1011
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,100
in the show, especially between

1012
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:21,400
members of Arnold and Helga's household.

1013
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,300
But which family do you think

1014
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,700
shaped the emotional depth

1015
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:25,800
of the show the most?

1016
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,700
So effectively, is it Arnold's household

1017
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:28,600
or Helga's household?

1018
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,900
Do you think, you know,

1019
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:31,700
I think we have to go with Helga's

1020
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:33,100
because those characters

1021
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,700
are sketched out as such extremes.

1022
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,800
The you know, grandma and grandpa

1023
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,100
and the borders are his sort of like

1024
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,700
his his, you know,

1025
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:44,700
he has an unusual family,

1026
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,100
but they really they're

1027
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:48,400
kind of all for laughs.

1028
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,100
I think you can you can be sure.

1029
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:51,100
The thing I really wanted to

1030
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,300
commit to convey was that grandma

1031
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:55,800
and grandpa truly love Arnold

1032
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,900
and they would they would

1033
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:58,700
completely do anything for him.

1034
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:00,300
But but they do it through

1035
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,400
so much humor that that seriousness

1036
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,400
is usually we barely touch on it.

1037
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,500
And in fact, it was fun

1038
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,000
once in a great while

1039
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,400
where grandma had to sober up

1040
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,700
and become completely serious

1041
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:12,200
and not act like she had dementia

1042
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,300
because the situation called for it.

1043
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,300
You know, like if they were out somewhere

1044
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:17,600
and Arnold broke his leg,

1045
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,500
grandma would be all business

1046
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:21,000
and she'd set the broken leg

1047
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
and take him to the emergency room

1048
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,200
and get it done.

1049
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,400
And the same with grandpa.

1050
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
So they're not they're not actually

1051
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,600
as as goofy at the at the core.

1052
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,400
They're not as goofy

1053
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,700
as they as they seem to be.

1054
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,200
And in fact, it makes you wonder

1055
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200
what's going on with them,

1056
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,700
why they have to be such jokers.

1057
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,700
And I think maybe maybe this

1058
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,600
the fact that they have

1059
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,700
the very unusual job

1060
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,500
of being his parents

1061
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,300
in the absence of his real parents.

1062
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:47,900
And so it's kind of made them that way.

1063
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:49,500
But yeah, the one thing

1064
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:51,700
the one thing I always,

1065
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:53,200
you know, the great thing,

1066
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,100
I think about Arnold's household

1067
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,100
is the fact that they sort of like

1068
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:57,900
at the very beginning

1069
00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:58,800
stuff is kind of like,

1070
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,100
you know, a house of strangers

1071
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,200
like, you know, Arnold has his grandparents

1072
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,100
and that's really his only family

1073
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:05,000
that he really has,

1074
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,200
with the exception of Arnie,

1075
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
who, you know, really just kind of a weird guy.

1076
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,000
But yeah, exactly.

1077
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,500
And but eventually as time goes on,

1078
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:14,100
you know, you see

1079
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,600
Mr. Wynn start to kind of like

1080
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,500
open up a little bit.

1081
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:17,600
Obviously have Arnold's Christmas,

1082
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,900
where he really opens up about the fact

1083
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,500
that he doesn't have his daughter in his life.

1084
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:21,200
And then obviously,

1085
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,500
we know what happened after that.

1086
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,300
And then obviously you get Oscar

1087
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,500
and you get his wife

1088
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,100
and then you get, you know,

1089
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:28,700
various other characters

1090
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,400
like in the boarding house

1091
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,300
and who end up, you know,

1092
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,300
becoming closer

1093
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:34,600
as the show progresses on.

1094
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,900
And then is the point you get to the point

1095
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,700
where they have to be part of like,

1096
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:39,000
you know, the game show

1097
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,700
and also act like a family.

1098
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,100
And then there's another one

1099
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,200
where, you know, Mr. Wynn

1100
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,400
desperately wants a promotion

1101
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,500
and, you know, it's a fair play

1102
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:46,500
to all the boarders.

1103
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,700
They jump in to like be his family

1104
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:50,300
in order to try, you know, help him out.

1105
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:51,400
So they all start to like,

1106
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,700
you know, really come together at the end.

1107
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:54,800
But the one thing

1108
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,800
I think that's a complete current

1109
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,900
that continues on throughout the show

1110
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,500
is obviously, you know,

1111
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:01,800
there's times where, you know,

1112
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,300
Big Bob will come through

1113
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:04,400
and there are times when,

1114
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,900
you know, Miriam will come through.

1115
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,200
But yeah, there you go.

1116
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,600
Actually, both those characters,

1117
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,400
if same thing,

1118
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,100
if Helga broke her leg,

1119
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:15,900
both of those people would

1120
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:17,600
get with the program

1121
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,000
and help.

1122
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,600
So they kind of need extremes

1123
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,400
to kind of drive them that way.

1124
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,600
They're sort of stuck in their ways.

1125
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,600
But they, yeah,

1126
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,700
deep down their real insight as well.

1127
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:28,800
Yeah, but I would say that

1128
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,900
as time goes on,

1129
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:30,800
I think, you know,

1130
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Arnold's boarding house

1131
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,200
becomes more of a,

1132
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,200
you know, more of a unit

1133
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,600
while in the other side, like,

1134
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,800
you know, Helga's house

1135
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,900
only kind of becomes a unit

1136
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:39,200
when he really needs to be.

1137
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,500
Yeah, it's somebody

1138
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:41,400
they all have to throw in

1139
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,200
to help one of them.

1140
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:42,900
They will. Yeah.

1141
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:43,500
But even worse,

1142
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:44,200
they lose their house,

1143
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,200
you know, with the jungle movie

1144
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,000
and they don't have to move into

1145
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,400
the Beeper Emporium.

1146
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,900
They're living in the Beeper Emporium.

1147
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,500
At least Arnold still lives in the boarding house.

1148
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:51,100
I want to let you,

1149
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,400
the fans know that

1150
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,800
after that Big Bob,

1151
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,500
business picks up,

1152
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:58,800
he diversifies,

1153
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,500
they get some money,

1154
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,400
they get to move back to their old house.

1155
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,200
Oh, OK.

1156
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:02,700
You know, it's funny

1157
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,300
because I have a lot of people

1158
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:06,700
like who like fans fiction,

1159
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:07,700
you know, based on that.

1160
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,200
And they say that, you know,

1161
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,300
Bob and Miriam get divorced eventually

1162
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:12,400
and then Bob moves to Texas

1163
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,400
and then Miriam marries a woman

1164
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,100
half her age, which is kind of like,

1165
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:17,000
yeah, that would track.

1166
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,300
But I mean, like, I like to think

1167
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:18,900
that they would try

1168
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:20,200
and make something work out of that.

1169
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,800
But yeah, that's just.

1170
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,000
Yeah, I think

1171
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,600
I think for the fact

1172
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,500
that I love all those actors so much,

1173
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:27,900
I wouldn't want to get rid of any of them.

1174
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:29,500
They're all the Batakis

1175
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,100
are my favorite people.

1176
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:32,400
Oh, definitely.

1177
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,800
OK, question number eight,

1178
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,400
I think we're up to, I think.

1179
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,500
So out of all the jazz

1180
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,400
and Dino Spumoni songs,

1181
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,800
which numbers are great examples

1182
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,600
that set the show's

1183
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,600
atmosphere and emotional tone?

1184
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,400
So I think if you had to like

1185
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,400
pick one jazz track

1186
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,700
and one Dino Spumoni track,

1187
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:51,000
which ones would you say

1188
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,800
definitely reflect Hey Arnold's?

1189
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,500
It's hard for both of those

1190
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:55,900
because there aren't that many

1191
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:57,100
Dino Spumoni songs.

1192
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,300
So it should be easier,

1193
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:00,200
but there's several that I really love.

1194
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,900
And it's cool, too,

1195
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:03,400
to kind of contrast

1196
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,900
the sort of pseudo Frank Sinatra

1197
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,400
kind of like fifties, fifties

1198
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,800
pop jazz of Dino.

1199
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
And which is very, very of an era

1200
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,200
and a time and place.

1201
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,500
And the jazz that Jim

1202
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:23,300
scored for all the rest of the show,

1203
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,400
the instrumental stuff is more,

1204
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,300
much more all over the place.

1205
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:28,900
And that's really what I love.

1206
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:29,900
I kind of cannot believe

1207
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:31,500
the diversity of the music Jim

1208
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:32,400
wrote for the show.

1209
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,900
And it was really because

1210
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:35,400
we had one hundred and a half hours

1211
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,400
to make and two movies.

1212
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,000
And so he had a lot of material

1213
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,700
that he had to make.

1214
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,300
And we told scary stories

1215
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,500
and we told sad kind of emotional,

1216
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:47,300
sentimental stories.

1217
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,300
And we told action,

1218
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:51,500
you know, chase scene kind of stories

1219
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,400
and the urban legends

1220
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,200
that were very kind of freaky

1221
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,200
and horror.

1222
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,700
And we had straight up horror,

1223
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:59,500
you know, like an example.

1224
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:00,500
I think Helga's Parrot

1225
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:02,100
is a straight up horror story.

1226
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:05,000
And and so is

1227
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,100
Phoebe Cheats when when she thinks

1228
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,900
that the Emily Dickinson

1229
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:09,900
trophy has come to life.

1230
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,800
Those are those are written,

1231
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,100
storyboarded and cut like horror

1232
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:16,800
stories and and they're scored

1233
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,700
like horror stories.

1234
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:19,500
And that's all to help you know,

1235
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,000
oh, I'm in a kind of a

1236
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,500
I'm in a sort of a strange

1237
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:24,400
reality right now

1238
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,300
that isn't normal.

1239
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,800
I'm in a I'm in a horror story

1240
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,600
where, you know, things are terrible.

1241
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Things are going to happen.

1242
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,000
And there might even be

1243
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,500
jump scares and stuff.

1244
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:32,800
So when you think about

1245
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,800
the diversity of that

1246
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,600
and the fact that somehow Jim managed

1247
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,100
to put a kind of a jazzy feel

1248
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:41,100
on all those kinds of genres of music

1249
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,100
or of, you know, you know, score,

1250
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:45,700
it's it just it speaks to what

1251
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,100
a what a really brilliant

1252
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,500
composer Jim is.

1253
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:49,500
Yeah, definitely.

1254
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,700
I can't speak to how we did that.

1255
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:53,300
I just know the stuff that he,

1256
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:54,800
you know, from the very beginning,

1257
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,600
it was a conversation

1258
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,400
between him and me.

1259
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,800
We talked about how he wanted

1260
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,100
the score to to have the cool jazz

1261
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,300
of the muted trumpet of Miles Davis

1262
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:05,800
or John Coltrane saxophone

1263
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,700
or Stan Guess.

1264
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:12,200
And and we we started from there

1265
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,400
and and we he had he put together

1266
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,000
his his kind of core group

1267
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,400
of musicians, sax trumpet,

1268
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,900
trombone and violin were the four

1269
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:22,800
kind of leads for him.

1270
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,400
And we would just they would do

1271
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,800
all kinds of crazy stuff for him.

1272
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,900
And he would just write those charts

1273
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:28,800
and they'd come in and do it.

1274
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
And it's beyond I can't even believe it.

1275
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,600
When I when I think about all the stuff

1276
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,500
that they accomplished,

1277
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:36,000
it's super impressive.

1278
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,800
But favorite stuff for me,

1279
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,200
I always talk about the tune

1280
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,300
called Groove Remote,

1281
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:41,500
which even exists out there.

1282
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:42,600
You can I think Groove

1283
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,900
Remote might even be

1284
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:44,800
the original Groove

1285
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,800
Remote is probably on the vinyl.

1286
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,900
But hey, Arnold, the music volume one.

1287
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:51,600
I think it is. Yeah.

1288
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,800
And that's Patricia.

1289
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,200
Patricia has it.

1290
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,800
Yeah, it has a faster tempo

1291
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,000
and it has sample vocals on it.

1292
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
And it's a cool, interesting.

1293
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,400
It's got the the musical form

1294
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,000
of the pieces that he did later.

1295
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,400
But then he took the same tune

1296
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,300
of Groove Remote and it's with saxophone.

1297
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:12,600
It's the featured tune

1298
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,700
when Arnold comes home feeling bad

1299
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:16,600
about Lockjaw and Field Trip.

1300
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,300
And it takes you all the way through

1301
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:19,700
him going and lying down

1302
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:21,300
and trying to forget about it.

1303
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:23,900
And he sees he sees Lockjaw

1304
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:25,200
floating by in the clouds.

1305
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,300
And he finally puts the pillow

1306
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:27,500
over his head.

1307
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:28,700
And then we used it again

1308
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,400
when Abner ran away.

1309
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,600
And then that one has

1310
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,600
instead of sax as the lead,

1311
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,400
it has a kind of a West Montgomery

1312
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,800
really fat sounding electric guitar

1313
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,800
that that Nick Kurgo played.

1314
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,500
So that tune Groove Remote has.

1315
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,600
Oh, and then in the

1316
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,800
the first movie and Hey Arnold, the movie

1317
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,800
when Arnold has his long bummed out walk

1318
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,500
and he talks to Sid and Stinky

1319
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:52,900
and he talks to Mr.

1320
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,000
Green and everyone's kind of

1321
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,600
holding up the tent and moving away

1322
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
and they're all feeling like crying.

1323
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,600
He did an orchestral version

1324
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,100
of Groove Remote, which I remember

1325
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,700
being at the Paramount Studio

1326
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:05,100
and an orchestra recording that.

1327
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,200
And I felt it was so amazing

1328
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,600
and thrilling that I think

1329
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,400
I laid on the floor.

1330
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,800
I just laid on the floor to listen

1331
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,200
because it was just so

1332
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,100
I was so undone.

1333
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,100
But anyway, that's probably

1334
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:21,600
my favorite tune by him.

1335
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,400
He has many others that I really love.

1336
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,300
I love the romantic saxophone song

1337
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,000
that plays in the Valentine's story.

1338
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,100
You know the one

1339
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,300
I love the one called Invisible Hippo

1340
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,400
where Eugene tells aren't it

1341
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000
when he his pet fish gets

1342
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,700
eaten by a cat, he

1343
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,400
he he goes and he tells

1344
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,500
Arnold and Gerald that he's got

1345
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,300
a pet, an invisible pet hippo.

1346
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:47,800
That tune Invisible Hippo

1347
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,000
actually also shows

1348
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,400
up a few times in there.

1349
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,600
And so does that.

1350
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,600
So does that one called

1351
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,100
I think it's called a crazy night.

1352
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,300
The one the the saxophone tune

1353
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:57,500
from Valentine's Day.

1354
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:58,800
So that would happen.

1355
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,000
There was another one

1356
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,500
there was another one called

1357
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,000
wasn't the buddy love

1358
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,100
Ghost Coconuts theme

1359
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:05,100
didn't end up being kind of like

1360
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:06,600
the the credits theme at one point

1361
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,100
for a couple of episodes.

1362
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,900
We we buy I think episode

1363
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:14,700
after 60 probably from 61 through 100.

1364
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,400
I asked them for permission

1365
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,400
whenever necessary to not do

1366
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,100
the one we call Stomping.

1367
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,100
It's called Stomping.

1368
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:24,600
Yeah, instead of using Stomping,

1369
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:25,300
I said we've heard

1370
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:26,500
that for 60 half hours.

1371
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:30,400
Can I please can I do alternate mixes?

1372
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,200
And sometimes we would

1373
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,400
the show would keep running

1374
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,800
right on into the credits

1375
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,800
and that would be something special.

1376
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Sometimes our our sound

1377
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,700
our music editor Steve Ellison would

1378
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,600
would would take the snatches of dialogue

1379
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,900
and put it to a hip hop beat

1380
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:47,300
and he'd make a end credit

1381
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:49,200
kind of remix of the operas.

1382
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,000
A good example.

1383
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
And and so.

1384
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
It chocolate turtles also does,

1385
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,800
but yeah, there was a slippage as well.

1386
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,400
We had a lot of tunes I guess like

1387
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,000
and we just I told Jim

1388
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,700
make a 45 second version of it

1389
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:02,900
and let's do it.

1390
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,000
Buddy Love Ghost Coconuts

1391
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,500
is a perfect example.

1392
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:07,300
And so if you get the

1393
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,500
if you get the

1394
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:09,700
the ultimate Arnold collection

1395
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:10,900
or the or the complete

1396
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,900
Hey Arnold both those sets

1397
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:14,200
of DVDs,

1398
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,700
they both feature

1399
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,500
all of our end credit sequences,

1400
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:18,900
which if you're watching it on TV,

1401
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:20,300
chances are you won't be able to hear it

1402
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:21,700
because you know how it goes.

1403
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:23,500
As soon as episodes over

1404
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,600
and credits are supposed to run

1405
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,700
Amazon or you know, all of them Netflix.

1406
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:28,900
They'll all just take you to the

1407
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:30,200
don't you want to see the next thing

1408
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,700
and it'll it'll cut it off.

1409
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,000
So I recommend getting the DVD sets.

1410
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,700
Yeah, because I love the end of the episode

1411
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:38,100
where like the you know,

1412
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,700
Olga Eiler and Helga are all in the boat

1413
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:41,900
and then they all start singing

1414
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:44,000
and then Helga jumps overboard

1415
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,900
and just swims over

1416
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,300
while the credits are all going.

1417
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:47,400
And then when the credits finally

1418
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,900
and he's like, hey, where's Helga?

1419
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:51,500
Isn't that great?

1420
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:53,400
Those would always be it was so

1421
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,800
that's thank you for pointing that one out

1422
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,100
because it would be always be that way.

1423
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,600
We'd go.

1424
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Oh, let's wouldn't it be funny

1425
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,000
if if they kept going and singing

1426
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,700
and then it makes our we gives us

1427
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:06,500
an extra minute to play with,

1428
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:07,500
which is really fun

1429
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:08,800
if you made an 11 minute cartoon

1430
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,100
and you have a 12 minute idea

1431
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:12,100
to just kind of like, well,

1432
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:12,800
we'll just somehow

1433
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,300
roll through the credits then.

1434
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,800
And then I'm sure we probably

1435
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,100
brought Nico back in and said,

1436
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,000
would you please just say, wait,

1437
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,600
where's Helga?

1438
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Because we realized that

1439
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,900
that was something we could do.

1440
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,500
So, yeah, that that's the creativity

1441
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:27,500
doesn't stop.

1442
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,900
You get to keep.

1443
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:30,800
You get to keep messing

1444
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,200
with your your cartoon all the way

1445
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,900
to the very, very end

1446
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,200
about 12 and a half minutes in

1447
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,400
if you include the main title

1448
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,200
in the end credits.

1449
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,900
So we just took advantage

1450
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,800
full advantage of it.

1451
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,300
And that's really why I love that.

1452
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,000
So those are my favorite.

1453
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,900
You know, I didn't say

1454
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:49,800
and probably my favorite Dino song.

1455
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,300
I like to sing.

1456
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:52,800
I'll smash your lamp.

1457
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,000
Oh, yeah, that one smashed

1458
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,400
is my favorite to sing.

1459
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,900
And Jim had wrote

1460
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:59,900
an extended version.

1461
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:02,100
So we have like a three minute smash

1462
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:04,400
that is on YouTube.

1463
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,300
Oh, yeah.

1464
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,400
And I I that for that reason,

1465
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,800
I mean, Jim and I are always talking

1466
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,900
about maybe at the cons

1467
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:13,800
eventually will evolve a

1468
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,200
Tom Kenny has a wonderful band

1469
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,700
called Tom Kenny in the high seas

1470
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:18,200
and they do R&B

1471
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,900
and they're a brilliant band.

1472
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:22,000
And Tom's an amazing singer.

1473
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,100
And we thought maybe

1474
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:24,600
we might get it to in the cons

1475
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,000
where we're just will open for them

1476
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,200
and play Dino songs.

1477
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,100
I would do smashed.

1478
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,000
I would do My Last Bow

1479
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,900
I think is a very funny song.

1480
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:34,200
And I always loved

1481
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,700
you know, the one where

1482
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:36,700
when they're doing like

1483
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,500
when Dino is declared dead

1484
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,500
and like they're doing like, you know,

1485
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:42,400
the news report about his life

1486
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,000
and like all the things that he did.

1487
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,000
And then they go to like,

1488
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
you know, when he tried to like,

1489
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,800
you know, desperately revive his career

1490
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,600
and he goes the hip hop track

1491
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,300
in the house.

1492
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:55,000
Yeah, in the house is also

1493
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,300
do you think Jim Lang will be tortured?

1494
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:57,100
Do you think he told you

1495
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:57,800
could you do an extended

1496
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,100
version of that song?

1497
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:01,700
He probably would love it.

1498
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,100
Jim loves the idea of taking

1499
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:04,000
the band on the road.

1500
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,500
So he would he would gleefully

1501
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,900
write extended versions of all those songs.

1502
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:10,300
You know, we would

1503
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:11,600
we put a set together.

1504
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,400
No problem.

1505
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,400
We all we really love to perform

1506
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,900
if you didn't know that we love

1507
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,000
we, you know, Jim scored

1508
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,300
Ready Jet Go, my second PBS show.

1509
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,400
Yeah, yeah.

1510
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,900
We did two total eclipses

1511
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:25,300
where one was in

1512
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:29,300
no, in Nebraska in 2017.

1513
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,700
And last year in 2024.

1514
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:34,400
Yeah, in spring of 2024,

1515
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,800
we went to Dallas

1516
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,000
with the Ready Jet Go band.

1517
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,200
That was me Jim on keyboards.

1518
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,700
His son Garrett on bass and a drummer.

1519
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:44,800
And we had Nick Kergo on guitar.

1520
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,900
The original guitarist who plays on everything.

1521
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:49,200
All these songs we've been talking about.

1522
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,600
Jim Kergo is playing that jazz guitar

1523
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,000
and Natasha and I did vocals

1524
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,600
and I played I played acoustic guitar.

1525
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,000
So we love to perform

1526
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,600
and we don't mind at all

1527
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,400
any opportunity to get together

1528
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,800
and put put a band together.

1529
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,900
We'll do it in a heartbeat.

1530
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:05,000
Jim Lang as a musical director

1531
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,200
is the greatest in the world.

1532
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,300
Yeah, I mean, now that you're doing

1533
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,100
the convention circuit, I mean like

1534
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:10,700
I mean, is there a possibility that,

1535
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:12,000
you know, one day, you know,

1536
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,100
you guys might do a con

1537
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:14,100
and like, you know, you might turn up

1538
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,000
and, you know, we'll do it.

1539
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,900
Yeah, that'd be kind of cool to do.

1540
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:18,100
I'm down for that.

1541
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,000
This is only my first year of doing cons.

1542
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,300
And so I'm trying to build those relationships

1543
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:24,400
and get it to the point where we can do that.

1544
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,500
I'd love to we almost when, you know,

1545
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:28,500
are at the peak of our, you know,

1546
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,800
influence was when we were about

1547
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,200
to come out with the Jungle movie in 2017.

1548
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,900
And that that Comic Con in San Diego,

1549
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,200
we had a great live show

1550
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,200
where we Jim came

1551
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,700
and we he played he played keyboards

1552
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,300
just to bring us on and off,

1553
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:47,000
you know, but we were hoping

1554
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,400
if there had been enough enthusiasm

1555
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,600
from Nickelodeon, we were hoping

1556
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,800
to do a set at the Nick party.

1557
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,400
But they were like, yeah, now

1558
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,300
we're just going to DJ.

1559
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:55,900
And now so we did.

1560
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,900
You know, you know,

1561
00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:58,000
that was the closest we can

1562
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,900
to doing Dino songs for a crowd.

1563
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,100
I saw videos that and that looks so fun.

1564
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,600
And the one thing I would say, though,

1565
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,700
is that I remember when Annie McAfee,

1566
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:07,600
that was like a first ever con.

1567
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,300
And her manager wasn't too thrilled

1568
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:11,400
about that because it was like

1569
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,300
I would rather like

1570
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,000
they're taking it to a smaller convention

1571
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,800
to like get it to that point

1572
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,300
because like, you know,

1573
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:18,500
you can see she was having a lot of fun

1574
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:20,000
with it. But then when the Q&A says

1575
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,100
like, you know, she was like, oops.

1576
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,800
You know, and it's funny, too.

1577
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,600
I don't expect any of the actors

1578
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,500
who have had their own careers

1579
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:33,500
to know a fraction of the trivia that I know.

1580
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:36,600
And so I usually try to try to share

1581
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,900
the Q&A with all the people

1582
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:39,700
who've come, but they usually come to me

1583
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:40,600
and ask me to tell them

1584
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,600
how it all went down.

1585
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,300
And that's that's just the way it goes.

1586
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:44,700
I mean, like you with voice actors

1587
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:46,100
and like with people like who I've been

1588
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,300
like part of the apparatus

1589
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:48,500
of like a particular show.

1590
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:49,700
I mean, like all they can really do

1591
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,100
is tell about their experiences

1592
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:52,200
really like, you know,

1593
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,400
they're not going to know like,

1594
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,600
you know, oh, hey, here's this goof

1595
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,400
from like, you know, this particular episode

1596
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,100
like, you know, this thing

1597
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,300
you're missing on this character.

1598
00:56:58,300 --> 00:56:59,000
They're not going to know.

1599
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,200
Sometimes some of their most famous lines,

1600
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,800
they don't they don't actually realize

1601
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,000
that when they came in to record it,

1602
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,300
they had no idea that was going to be

1603
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:08,800
their their character's kind of main line.

1604
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:10,900
Yeah, I mean, Justin Shanker

1605
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,600
I remember like when we did a show with him

1606
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,200
and I mean, like he can still remember

1607
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,100
some like, you know, the basic

1608
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:17,500
Harold Berman quotes.

1609
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:18,600
But I mean, like if anything,

1610
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,900
he just loved to have done movie quotes,

1611
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:20,700
you know, with Harold's voice.

1612
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:22,900
I mean, like that was that was the most fun.

1613
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:24,300
So, yeah.

1614
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,300
So we are on to the last question

1615
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:29,700
of the 29th panel anniversary show

1616
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,200
and it goes like this question nine.

1617
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,600
What are the current prospects

1618
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,200
of continuing the series?

1619
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Has there been any recent engagements

1620
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,100
with Nickelodeon or Paramount Plus

1621
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,900
for any future Hey Arnold projects?

1622
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:43,100
Well, that's another great

1623
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:44,700
all these have been great questions, by the way.

1624
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:46,300
Thank you for these very good questions.

1625
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:47,800
Thanks, everybody.

1626
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,600
Yeah, you know, Paramount

1627
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,200
has been great to me

1628
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,700
in the sense that all these years

1629
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:59,900
I've I've never doubted that

1630
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:02,000
anything that they do with Hey Arnold

1631
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,700
is going to be run by me.

1632
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:05,200
And they wouldn't I wouldn't just like

1633
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,400
even though I've had I've had nightmares

1634
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,600
where I even posted a comic

1635
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,500
I did about three years ago

1636
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,400
during kind of shortly after the pandemic

1637
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,500
where I dreamed that

1638
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:18,000
I was at an Arnold land

1639
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,300
and it was terrible

1640
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,000
and full of weird off model stuff

1641
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,800
and just terrible stuff.

1642
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,600
And I was on a little kind of like boat

1643
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,600
ride through a, you know, scenario.

1644
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,300
Yeah. And I was super mad

1645
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:34,600
because they hadn't asked me

1646
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,700
they were simply showing it to me

1647
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:36,700
when it was done.

1648
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:39,200
Like, oh, here has the courtesy.

1649
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,500
Here's what we did.

1650
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,100
And I said, what this, you know,

1651
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,500
yelling like this is all wrong

1652
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,000
and in the boat in front of me

1653
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,800
are these two lawyers and they're going.

1654
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
You know, read your contract.

1655
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,500
And so, you know, I in the back of my mind,

1656
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:55,700
I'm always sort of concerned

1657
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,800
that anything

1658
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:58,900
that would happen in the future

1659
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:01,100
with the Arnold story and saga

1660
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:02,600
and all the characters and stuff,

1661
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,000
anything they do without me.

1662
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,100
I mean, they do plenty

1663
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:06,600
of consumer products and stuff.

1664
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,700
And I'm under legally

1665
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:10,700
they're obligated to put my signature on them

1666
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:13,200
and stuff, which lets you know it's official.

1667
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,100
And I appreciate that every time I see

1668
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:18,300
that they've fulfilled their agreement

1669
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:19,700
and my name appears,

1670
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:20,900
but they don't consult with me

1671
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,000
about what the consumer products are.

1672
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,600
And it's only generally

1673
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,100
when we're actually doing something

1674
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:27,800
like at the 25th anniversary,

1675
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:29,600
we made a poster together

1676
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,100
when we released the consumer products

1677
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:34,100
like the ultimate Arnold collection.

1678
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:35,300
I did the cover for them

1679
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,900
and talked to them about helping them

1680
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:41,500
get all the extras that they put on and stuff.

1681
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,600
I had something to do with it.

1682
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,700
In other words, saying I'd be sure and do this,

1683
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:47,700
but there's a limit to how much,

1684
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,300
you know, they're off in New York.

1685
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:50,900
We're out here.

1686
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:55,300
The studio in Hollywood is in Burbank

1687
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:56,100
is near enough,

1688
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,400
but they only kind of know you when they need you.

1689
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,900
And that's really the way showbiz works.

1690
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:05,400
And it's, I don't mean to anybody who,

1691
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,600
I talked to a guy at the con in Milwaukee this weekend

1692
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,400
and he was very sincere about it

1693
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,700
and coming from a place of love

1694
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,900
where he really loves the show

1695
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,600
and he was a fan and he grew up on the show.

1696
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,100
He's an adult now.

1697
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,500
And he was like, but I don't get it.

1698
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,000
I'm like, why don't that?

1699
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,200
Why did they ever stop?

1700
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,200
Why didn't you just keep,

1701
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,000
you said you would be willing to keep making them

1702
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,100
and why didn't they keep making them?

1703
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:30,400
And I said, I don't even know where to start.

1704
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,100
You know, the reality of showbiz

1705
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:34,700
is that they know you when they need you

1706
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:36,900
and they're not being cruel.

1707
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:37,900
They're just busy.

1708
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:39,300
They got bigger fish to fry.

1709
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,100
They're over there right now.

1710
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:45,200
Honestly, Paramount is in the middle of,

1711
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,700
it was sold to Skydance,

1712
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:51,000
a new company run by some new billionaires

1713
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,900
who are planning to,

1714
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:55,600
they've got big plans for what they're going to do

1715
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,200
with the content of Paramount

1716
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,400
and the TV and movies.

1717
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,400
And Hey Arnold falls under that category,

1718
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,500
Paramount Plus and its affiliates

1719
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,500
are the places where you can stream all the shows

1720
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:10,000
and stream the movies and stuff,

1721
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,700
to which I say, oh, thank goodness.

1722
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:13,400
You know, I'm just really glad I live in a world

1723
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,200
where my show has been available to watch

1724
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,800
for all nearly 30 years of its run

1725
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,400
and never went away ever.

1726
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,400
And that's why this is,

1727
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,000
we're even having this conversation now

1728
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:25,700
on why I go to the cons

1729
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:29,600
and still have these great interactions with fans

1730
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,000
because it's still available.

1731
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,100
Also Dinosaur Train,

1732
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:34,400
which I made starting in 2009

1733
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,200
and all the way till now,

1734
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,300
it's also out there.

1735
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:38,600
And so people can,

1736
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,600
I talked to a bunch of people

1737
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,100
who were even grown up

1738
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,000
from being kids watching Dinosaur Train.

1739
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,300
And so lucky me,

1740
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:46,500
my shows were,

1741
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,700
they somehow made it to a level of success

1742
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:50,600
where they never ever went off the air

1743
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,700
and instead have rerun and rerun

1744
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:54,800
and you even have lots of co-viewing

1745
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,000
with parents who come in

1746
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,700
and introduce their kids and say,

1747
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:00,100
I grew up on Hey Arnold.

1748
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:03,200
My kids here love it too.

1749
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,200
And they watch Dinosaur Train and so on.

1750
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,000
And so it's not ideal.

1751
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,000
Ideally, we would have never stopped it.

1752
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,100
I think maybe if we didn't ever stopped,

1753
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,300
if we'd have just kept making Arnold episodes

1754
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:17,000
into the hundreds and hundreds,

1755
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,600
probably there would have been a burnout place

1756
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,700
where we would have gone,

1757
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:22,800
you know, I don't want to do this anymore.

1758
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,300
But instead, it's always,

1759
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,000
you always have more things you'd like to say

1760
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,300
and you don't really have the chance.

1761
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:30,800
But having said all that,

1762
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,700
I would say never stop hoping that at some point,

1763
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:36,900
whatever administration that currently kind of

1764
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:40,500
just wants to do endless kind of SpongeBob stuff

1765
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:42,600
or the things they're doing,

1766
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:46,100
somebody else will come in to run the company

1767
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,300
who grew up on Hey Arnold.

1768
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:48,500
And it will be like Russell Hicks

1769
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:50,800
when in 2014 or something

1770
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,300
when he got the job of running the studio,

1771
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:54,600
I wrote to him, he said,

1772
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,100
dude, where you been? Get in here.

1773
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:57,700
You know, and we had a meeting

1774
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,300
and he was like a fantasy.

1775
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:01,900
He was like, why don't we get the band back together?

1776
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:04,400
And I said, well, we'd have to make the jungle movie.

1777
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,600
And they said, he said, what's the jungle movie?

1778
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,500
I said, I'll explain.

1779
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:09,700
And then he said, fine.

1780
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,600
And so you never know, it could suddenly be,

1781
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,700
I get a phone call and we're back in business.

1782
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:19,300
So for me, I just try for my part

1783
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,900
to keep the fire going.

1784
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:24,400
And that's the endless conversation that we have

1785
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,100
like we're having right now.

1786
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:29,300
And with my posts that I do where I simply go,

1787
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:31,200
hey, remember this, let me tell you a little bit

1788
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,800
of behind the scenes about Phoebe Cheats

1789
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,300
or suddenly tell you a story about Tuck Tucker

1790
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:38,000
and the things we did when we came up with this

1791
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,800
or Steve Vickston and these people

1792
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,200
who were so much a part of what the show was.

1793
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,300
And I'm the keeper of the tales.

1794
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:50,100
I'm basically the Gerald of this franchise.

1795
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,800
And I'm also kind of the dad.

1796
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,700
I'm also Miles.

1797
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:57,700
But it's a very good question.

1798
01:03:57,700 --> 01:04:01,000
It is very hard for a fan who simply loves the show

1799
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,300
and is not in the world of showbiz

1800
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:04,900
where we're so used to being,

1801
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:06,500
you just basically the people will say,

1802
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:10,000
well, it's Friday, it's the end of your obligation, right?

1803
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,200
You're gonna pack out or do you need someone

1804
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,900
to help you put things in boxes?

1805
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,100
And you want them to go.

1806
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:18,300
You know, my first real wake up was

1807
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:20,700
when we finished those hundred in the movie

1808
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:23,900
and I realized that they were done

1809
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:25,800
and they had enough, they had those hundred,

1810
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,100
which, you know, then they have rerun faithfully

1811
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:29,800
for the last 20 years.

1812
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,100
They had those hundred and they were like,

1813
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:33,900
you know, what else you got?

1814
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:35,800
And you kind of can't believe it.

1815
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,000
Also, you might have something else

1816
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,300
and they're like, you know,

1817
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:41,100
and you go, wait, wait, it's me.

1818
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:43,100
It's me, the guy that made you all that stuff.

1819
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,500
And we, you liked it and it was good.

1820
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:47,500
You know, how could you not just

1821
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:49,000
let me make whatever I want?

1822
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,700
But any animator who's been in this business

1823
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:54,200
will tell you, it doesn't work like that.

1824
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,300
You have to work really hard

1825
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:00,500
and come up with another idea that they like and so on.

1826
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:01,600
Yeah.

1827
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,900
Thank you for your love of the show.

1828
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:05,600
I really love that the fans love it.

1829
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,600
And that is ongoing and that will last forever.

1830
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,200
And I will be there to, you know,

1831
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,500
to have these conversations with you forever.

1832
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:16,300
And we might finally, I can't believe it.

1833
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,000
We can't say another thing about Hey Arnold,

1834
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,700
but I'm not there yet.

1835
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:20,700
Are you?

1836
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:22,400
Well, yeah, I mean, I could talk for it forever.

1837
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,900
So as far as I'm concerned, but I think with,

1838
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:28,700
at least with the way things are going at the moment,

1839
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:33,000
I mean, like it's kind of hard because like, you know,

1840
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,800
I don't want to bring politics into this at all,

1841
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,000
but I mean, like looking at the political climate right now

1842
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,800
and I mean, like I would argue that, you know,

1843
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,100
Arnold should probably be back like, you know,

1844
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:42,700
years ago at this point,

1845
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:44,300
given everything that's going on right now.

1846
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:47,400
And one thing that I found a bit interesting is that,

1847
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,600
I mean, obviously, you know,

1848
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,900
they make these announcements all the time

1849
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:51,000
and basically they come to nothing,

1850
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,900
but apparently now there's going to be tariffs

1851
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:58,000
on film production from overseas

1852
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,100
and apparently they're now going to go to 100%.

1853
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:04,200
I mean, if does that make any difference at all

1854
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,700
about like, you know, American products,

1855
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,600
you know, in regards to things like Hey Arnold,

1856
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,400
the fact that now studios might be a bit more, you know,

1857
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,100
not really wanted to go overseas for ideas.

1858
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:15,900
They might look back at their back catalog.

1859
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:17,300
And I mean, again,

1860
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:19,600
I can't predict what Sky Dance want to do

1861
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,800
because it's kind of funny because Sky Dance really,

1862
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,400
like they've done luck

1863
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,100
and done a couple of Apple TV things and that's about it.

1864
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:28,000
But like, so you really don't know

1865
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,700
what you're kind of getting really

1866
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:33,700
with what they want to do with the Paramount products.

1867
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:35,200
And I think that's what makes this whole thing

1868
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,200
a bit concerning really.

1869
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,900
Is it just the fact that they see value

1870
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:40,400
in the SpongeBob brand

1871
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,700
and they're just going to basically just keep that bit of it.

1872
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:46,400
And then there's going to be like this Sky Dance entertainment

1873
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,700
or whatever, so, you know,

1874
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:49,000
it's going to be run by John Lasseter,

1875
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,500
whoever's going to end up being in charge of that thing.

1876
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:55,500
And, you know, so it does worry me quite a bit.

1877
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,300
Someone who is a big fan of the 90s

1878
01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:58,800
and someone who is still like, you know,

1879
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,900
wanting to wish well for Nickelodeon,

1880
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,100
even though I criticize and I also, you know,

1881
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:04,300
make pointers about, you know,

1882
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:05,500
the current products at the moment

1883
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:08,600
of just basically, you know, around SpongeBob

1884
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,600
and also now, well, at least now,

1885
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,600
they're bringing back Avatar,

1886
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,800
the last Airbender and bringing that back.

1887
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,000
Right, that's true.

1888
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,600
Avatar is another big one.

1889
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,500
Exactly, yeah.

1890
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:17,100
But I just think that, you know,

1891
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:21,000
you've got this immense library of Nickelodeon products

1892
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,100
that you could easily bring back

1893
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:25,900
and so you could create a whole new generation of fans

1894
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:27,000
around that.

1895
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,800
And, but it's just, it's just really,

1896
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,100
I don't know what to make of it

1897
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:35,100
because I never thought, I never see Paramount,

1898
01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:37,700
at least back in the 90s, when I was a 90s kid,

1899
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:40,100
I mean, like, there was no way of stopping it.

1900
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:41,900
And you know, like, you know, Turner

1901
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:46,900
and a few other, you know, big corporations

1902
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:48,600
that were putting out their products.

1903
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,300
You know, you would never think that, you know,

1904
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,800
they would all of a sudden start eating themselves

1905
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,500
and we'd find themselves in this situation.

1906
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,300
Like, it's just, it's, yeah, it's-

1907
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:03,100
It has been a confluence of really bad changes

1908
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,200
that have not helped.

1909
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,100
The things that happened post-pandemic to production,

1910
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:14,500
the streaming experiment that everybody got in on.

1911
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:17,100
And then finally, now it's been about three years

1912
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:19,300
since Netflix first kind of blanked

1913
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:22,400
and they had one quarter where they lost money

1914
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,700
or they didn't make as much, they lost something.

1915
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:27,100
And then all the other studios

1916
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,300
that have been spending billions

1917
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:31,200
on turning themselves into streamers,

1918
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:33,000
they all blinked and they,

1919
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,800
suddenly they cut off tons of production

1920
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,500
that included things I was working on.

1921
01:08:37,500 --> 01:08:40,100
And so, you know, a lot of bad things.

1922
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:41,900
And then, you know, the strikes that happened

1923
01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:43,800
followed by the AI thing where they,

1924
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,500
it looked like they could try to make an,

1925
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:48,600
you have AI make all this stuff.

1926
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,900
It's so shocking that it's actually

1927
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:54,100
like the worst series of things to happen

1928
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:56,200
to this business I've been in, in my,

1929
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,200
God, I've almost been in the business for-

1930
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,400
In your lifetime.

1931
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Yeah.

1932
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,100
The only thing I hate about the whole AI thing now-

1933
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,100
You have to kind of just show up and do your best, I think.

1934
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:06,000
Yeah, the only thing I hate about the AI thing now is that,

1935
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,100
I remember when K-Pop Demon Hunters came out on Netflix

1936
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:09,400
and so that's a phenomenon at the minute,

1937
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,200
but immediately all the TikTokers,

1938
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,900
you know, all the sleuths came out and said,

1939
01:09:12,900 --> 01:09:15,900
oh, this is AI, that's AI, all these people are AI.

1940
01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:18,900
And like all the poor people who had to come out,

1941
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:20,300
who made this phenomenal thing,

1942
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:21,100
had to come around and say,

1943
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:24,600
no, don't believe the BS, it's not AI,

1944
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,900
we actually made this thing.

1945
01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:27,800
Can you believe we're already in a time

1946
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:30,900
where real people have to protest to the world

1947
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:32,000
that they aren't AI?

1948
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,100
Yeah, exactly.

1949
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:35,600
Honestly, God, we have arrived at the,

1950
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,700
we're just this far from Terminator 1.

1951
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:40,800
I know, it's just,

1952
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,600
I just feel bad for people who say

1953
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,700
they will create this phenomenal thing on the internet

1954
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:45,900
and then one person will just say,

1955
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:49,100
AI, and like, you know, it's just there just forever

1956
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:50,900
and it's tainted forever because of that.

1957
01:09:50,900 --> 01:09:54,000
And so it's a shame really, like, you know,

1958
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,600
apparently you can't be that talented on the internet anymore.

1959
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,900
So, but yeah.

1960
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:02,200
So anyway, I mean, I didn't really want to add it

1961
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,200
on that sad note really, but I mean,

1962
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,300
I guess to kind of put in some optimism a little bit,

1963
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:10,300
I think what future projects are you currently working

1964
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:13,300
on at the moment and what are you currently got plans,

1965
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:14,700
you know, for the year ahead?

1966
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,400
Thanks for asking.

1967
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,400
You know, my solution to the kind of up-ended show business

1968
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,100
is to, you know, always keep a hand in it.

1969
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,600
You know, the next thing I know I'm doing

1970
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,600
is we're trying to develop a reboot of Dinosaur Train

1971
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:35,200
and take that back out again.

1972
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,100
And I'm very happy.

1973
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:37,500
I've been in the middle of that for a while

1974
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:41,500
with the Hensons who are fun, you know, cool work partners.

1975
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:45,200
And so that's my sort of like hand in animation right now.

1976
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,200
My, the various things I was developing,

1977
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,500
I've kind of fizzled.

1978
01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:52,600
So, and I, because of the lack of original programming

1979
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,600
being picked up, but I'm glad to have a hand in it.

1980
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,300
And I'm also, my side hustle, the website and the cons

1981
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:04,000
is not only part of how I make my living now,

1982
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,100
but it's also, it's just fun.

1983
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:07,300
I find that all that material,

1984
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:10,600
working on thinking of new Arnold product

1985
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,600
that I could, you know, come up with new original stuff

1986
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,400
to like posters or think designs

1987
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,400
or things that don't exist yet is really fun for me.

1988
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,100
And I love the interaction with people who love the show.

1989
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:25,900
So it's, it keeps me happy and it keeps me busy.

1990
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:27,700
And the other thing is that, you know,

1991
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:31,000
in a world that's this sort of running on two wheels,

1992
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,600
both Natasha and I love to travel.

1993
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,300
And so we're just taking this time to go out

1994
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,200
and see the world.

1995
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,500
And I, I, I'm always glad to do that.

1996
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:42,500
And Mark Twain said that travel is the,

1997
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:43,900
the antidote to ignorance.

1998
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:46,700
You know, you basically, if you go out

1999
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,300
and see how the other half lives

2000
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,400
or just see how people do things in another country,

2001
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,600
just see what their values are

2002
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,300
and how their idea of a good time, it expands your mind.

2003
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:59,400
And so I'm trying to continue to be very open

2004
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,600
about everything that's coming in the future

2005
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:02,800
and not really worry.

2006
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,700
I'm better at not worrying about it

2007
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:06,500
than I used to be when I was younger.

2008
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:10,300
And so that also seems to be a benefit

2009
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:12,900
of having been around for such a long time.

2010
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,700
It's certainly ridiculous things are happening

2011
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:18,500
in the world right now and it's not, it's a hot mess,

2012
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,900
but what we're doing is we're traveling.

2013
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:23,400
Yeah, thank you.

2014
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,600
Well, funny enough, I found myself in Bath

2015
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,800
during the 250th Jane Austen anniversary.

2016
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,900
So that was, that was fun.

2017
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:34,300
So yeah, I like travel myself

2018
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:36,600
and like to figure out what's going on in the world

2019
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,100
and everything, so it's great.

2020
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,000
Me too, yeah.

2021
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,400
Yeah, so I guess at this point,

2022
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,300
we conclude the 29th Hey Arnold anniversary show.

2023
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:48,400
And so thank you everybody for putting in your questions.

2024
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,100
Craig, thank you very much for answering them.

2025
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:51,300
It's been really awesome.

2026
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:54,200
And so just to remind you everybody,

2027
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,700
arronmeta.show is where you can find my podcast.

2028
01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:00,000
And also if you want to go to Craig Bartlett's website,

2029
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,500
it's craig-bartlett.com.

2030
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:04,600
Go find him on Instagram, which is Craig Bartlett.

2031
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,100
So he's always posting some really good stuff

2032
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:07,300
up there as well.

2033
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:10,600
And so I guess maybe just one last thing is

2034
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,700
when are we going to expect any more

2035
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:14,700
arts and products from yourself?

2036
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:17,700
And are we've got any stuff like that in the pipeline

2037
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:19,800
for you at the moment, or?

2038
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,900
Yeah, but I'm going to continue to,

2039
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:23,600
every time I do another cell drop,

2040
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,600
I'm trying to be kind of theming it now

2041
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,000
as we get into the fall.

2042
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,500
So next cell drop will be Halloween.

2043
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,300
I'll be bringing up all the things from Halloween.

2044
01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:33,500
So look for that.

2045
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,300
And followed by Thanksgiving and followed by Christmas.

2046
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:38,400
So stay tuned.

2047
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,100
Every time we do, we bring new stuff out,

2048
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:40,900
we'll post about it.

2049
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:42,500
So you'll be able to see that on Instagram

2050
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:44,100
and then go check out the site.

2051
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:44,600
That's great.

2052
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,600
And also we'll make sure that the description is also

2053
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,100
the link is going to be in the description below.

2054
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:51,900
So everybody check that out once you're done with the podcast.

2055
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:56,300
And so from myself and from Craig and from everybody

2056
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:57,700
who goes to the Iron Meta show,

2057
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:59,800
including my wife who's currently in bed.

2058
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,000
Take care, everybody.

2059
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:01,700
Bye bye for now.

2060
01:14:01,700 --> 01:14:03,600
And we'll see you for the next one.

2061
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,000
Good to see you too, Craig.

2062
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:05,500
Thank you.

2063
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:06,300
Bye bye.

2064
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:06,800
Bye.

2065
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:07,600
Bye, fans.

2066
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:18,600
Thank you for joining us.

2067
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:19,600
We'll see you next time.

2068
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:20,100
Bye.