[00:13] Geoff: he wants to watch v for vendetta because its nov 5th and thats his floor event
[00:13] Geoff: and i was making loud comments like
[00:13] Geoff: LETS WATCH A MOVIE FAITHFUL TO SOURCE MATERIAL
[00:13] Geoff: LETS WATCH A MOVIE IT'S CREATOR ACTUALLY APPROVES OF
[00:13] Geoff: LETS DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL MISTREATMENT OF ARTISTS IN ANY CREATIVE INDUSTRY
[00:14] Geoff: he was very upset with me
[00:14] caeksecks: i'd be upset with you too
[00:14] caeksecks: you come off as s dickhead
[00:15] caeksecks: besides you can't criticise soemone for not supporting an industry when you actively pirate from multiple ones
[00:15] caeksecks: including the same industry
[00:15] Geoff: i purchase media when i have money and have proven this many times over!
[00:16] caeksecks: movies and shows
[00:16] Geoff: I have purchased DVDs of things I enjoy several times and will likely continue to do so
[00:16] caeksecks: 'when i have money' isn't a valid argument because you displace that many times over by your pirated material
[00:17] Geoff: If I wasn't pirating I wouldn't be spending any more money because I wouldn't have any more money to spend
[00:17] caeksecks: that's a valid argument to some extent but you're still reducing the overall value of the products you choose to pirate and not buy
[00:18] Geoff: regardless I'm not talking about supporting an industry I'm talking about condoning the complete disregard of creator intentions with respect to art and media
[00:18] caeksecks: yeah but thats what you said
[00:18] Geoff: what
[00:18] Geoff: i said lets do something that doesn't support mistreatment of artists
[00:18] Geoff: not hey lets support an industry
[00:19] caeksecks: LETS DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL MISTREATMENT OF ARTISTS IN ANY CREATIVE INDUSTRY; piracy is pretty close to mistreating a creative industry
[00:19] Geoff: I support them when I have money, I don't think it devalues an industry, especially when much of the material I pirate in terms of television is offered for free
[00:19] Geoff: and I purchase more music than anything else
[00:20] Geoff: I have a waitlist of musical purchases I edit as I pirate things
[00:20] caeksecks: i'm just saying you shouldn't yell stuff when you can be scrutinized for it
[00:20] Geoff: But my point is I don't think I can be scruntinized for it
[00:20] Geoff: Yes I'm pirating but at the same time I'm making every effort to support the industries that I wish to support within reason
[00:21] Geoff: purchases direct from artists, sometimes multiple purchases of the same shit
[00:21] Geoff: shows
[00:21] Geoff: etc
[00:22] caeksecks: i'm just saying that the act of pirating shit puts you under scrutiny for theft, and in the act of pirating you do devalue the media to some extent because it becomes 'i will buy this to enjoy it again' not 'i will buy this to see if it is good'; again we're talking about the film industry and not the music industry.
[00:22] caeksecks: i'm limiting the topic because you chose to criticise him for a film industry thing
[00:22] Geoff: oh I don't really like the film industry to begin with
[00:22] caeksecks: if this were overall it'd be different
[00:22] Geoff: for things like the treatment of v for vendetta
[00:23] Geoff: and I don't wish to give money to that
[00:23] Geoff: independant films I will make purchases though, I plan on buying American Hardcore
[00:23] caeksecks: unfortunately it's not just pick and choose support, you can't criticise it, pirate from it, and then enjoy what it produces but still not support it due to isolated cases
[00:25] caeksecks: that would be like me taking food from mcdonalds and then not paying for it because i don't support the industry due to its animal mistreatment
[00:25] caeksecks: and then telling someone not to eat it because the industry is terrible
[00:26] caeksecks: again this isn't some personal crusade i have against you, i',m not angry at you in the least and i don't really care
[00:26] Geoff: oho i know haha
[00:26] caeksecks: but i occasionally want you to have reasons that can be explained when someone gives you shit for it