WJ: Good morning. We are at the State Attorney's Office in Kissimmee. It's 8:57 a.m. on April 18th, 2024. I am William Jay, the division chief for the homicide unit. With me is Danielle Pinnell, also from the homicide unit in Kissimmee. Can the detectives identify themselves?

MM: Detective Mark Morris.

KS: Detective Kyle Smallwood.

WJ: And with us is:

JS: Jennifer Soto.

WJ: with your attorney

MB: Matthews Bark.

WJ: Alright. We went over some things before we went on the record and told you had the opportunity to ask any questions that you need to ask. If you need a break to consult with your attorney, that is absolutely fine. We'll all step out of the room, turn off our recorders, and let you exercise your constitutional right to have counsel. There's no problem with that. There's a water fountain here, and there are restrooms. I don't know if you're a smoker or not, but if you get desperate, we can make an outside break time. But we are kind of under time constraints. With that all said, would you raise your right hand, please:

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

JS: Yeah.

WJ: Okay, thank you. Alright. This is an Investigative Subpoena, so you've been compelled to be here, and in our country under the Fifth Amendment and the 14th Amendment is applied to you under the Florida Constitution as well. You cannot be forced to incriminate yourself, so anything you say today can't and won't be used against you unless you just don't tell us the truth. I've already explained to your attorney, Mr. Bark, whether or not you've made any inconsistent statements in the past, that is dirt under the bridge, and either a misdemeanor was committed or it wasn't. But we're not going to be using that as a basis of some sort of perjury by false statements because those other charges wouldn't be perjury anyways. So the most important thing today is to tell the truth.

I also explained Derivative Use Immunity, which means if you said that there was a gun, and obviously there's no gun in this case, buried in your attorney's yard, we couldn't go dig up that gun if you told us that: Oh, yeah, the gun that was used is right there, we wouldn't be able to do that. We would have to show that we learned all those things independently from this interview, okay? Do you have any questions?

JS: No.

WJ: Alright, so let's get started.

MB: Before you start, let me just make sure we're clearing the record. I had off the record we had discussed our position on the concerns we have. Miss Soto was interrogated by law enforcement previously. Um, she was under a tremendous amount of duress and stress being that her child was missing and then she was informed that the child was found deceased. There’s been media histerity about this. There have been people asking for her to be prosecuted, tarred, feathered, executed. Um, and so with that said, we have the concern that you brought up about if there's something said inconsistent today not being used against her for filing a false police report.

WJ: Alright, so for example, if she said something that was false then, and we have no idea that it was false now before this interview, but she comes in and admits that it was false today, we can't use these statements or that admission that it was false against her just like we couldn't use anything else against her from this interview, okay?

MB: Okay.

WJ: Alright. My understanding is that on February 25th of this year, you were working at the hotel on Disney property out at Coronado Springs?

JS: Yes.

WJ: You have to answer out loud and loud enough to get caught on the report. I know you're upset, I know...

JS: Yes.

WJ: Alright. Did you get off at 10 p.m.?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Alright. Did you go directly home?

JS: Yes.

WJ: About how long does it take you to get home?

JS: About 25 to 30 minutes.

WJ: And when you get home, who is downstairs if anybody? You have a two-story— is it a townhome, is that the best word for it?

JS: Yes, a townhome.

WJ: If anybody is downstairs, who is downstairs?

JS: I saw my daughter, Madeline and uh, Stephan.

WJ: Do you recall what Madeline was wearing?

JS: (long pause) No.

WJ: And do you recall what Stephan was wearing?

JS: I can't tell you, no.

WJ: Okay. When you get home from work, do you need to kind of eat a late dinner before you get settled in for bed?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And do you eat there at your home?

JS: Yes.

WJ: What do you eat?

JS: I think I had a (sigh) a Pub Sub waiting for me in the house, a sandwich?

WJ: Okay. Did anybody join you in sitting down and eating?

JS: No, I ate in my bedroom.

WJ: Okay. Did it look like anybody else had recently cooked food or eaten any food there that night?

JS: Uhhhhh... From what I saw, no. I didn't see anyone cooking or it didn’t look like anyone had been cooking.

WJ: Okay. I believe in one of your former interviews you mentioned that Madeline might have gone over with you kind of what she got at the birthday party since you didn't have the chance to go because you were at work.

JS: Mm hm.

WJ: When and where does that occur?

JS: That occurs... like right after I get home. It occurs in my bedroom. Everyone's in my room.

WJ: And so by everyone, let's just be clear since I understand you have some roommates. So what do you mean by everyone?

JS: Madeline, Stephan, and myself were in my bedroom.

WJ: Okay. At this point in time, do you recall what Madeline was wearing?

JS: I-I don't know.

WJ: Let me ask it a different way. Can you tell me whether or not she was wearing a long-sleeve green sweatshirt and jeans?

JS: Oh. No.

WJ: Okay. Would she have kind of been in her bed gear, or do you think she could have still been in the dress that she wore to her birthday celebration?

JS: (Deep inhale) She would have been in pajamas. I can't recall the exact pajamas, but she would have been in pajamas. Um, sh-she had already by this point in the evening, she had already showered and changed out of that birthday dress.

WJ: And was it your understanding from your sister that she had gotten dropped off about 8:30, she being Madeline?

JS: 8:30-8:45, something around that time, yeah.

WJ: And what's your understanding as to when Stephan had gotten there.

JS: Deep sigh...

WJ: If you know? If you don't, don't guess; it's fine.

MB: Actually, while he's saying that, this is important. So there’s things that you might think should be a certain way because that's just the way things go, um, but don’t just guess based on past history that it's the same as what happened on that particular day. If you don't know, you don't know.

JS: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what time he-he got there.

WJ: Okay. You were at work, so I just didn't know if sometimes families check in, "Hey, I made it," by text or by phone call or anything like that. Do you not remember any of that?

JS: I don't remember.

WJ: Okay. How long were the three of you in your bedroom?

JS: I'm going to say for (sigh) about 30 minutes,

WJ: Okay.

JS: Um, yeah.

WJ: And did Madeline tell you about the party?

JS: Yeah, she was really happy. (barely audible)

WJ: Did she tell you what food they had there at the party?

JS: Yeah, she um, they had her favorites.

WJ: What are her favorites?

JS: Um... Puerto Rican food. So, Arroz con gandules...

WJ: Alright, so you’re going to have to translate to English.

JS: (Laughs)

WJ: I know “frijoles” and “arroz” and a couple other things, but help me out.

JS: Um.. If I recall correctly, she had requested rice with... it's a type of rice and beans.

WJ: Mhm.

JS: It's rice with pigeon peas

WJ: Okay.

JS: Uh.. And pernil, which is... I'm not sure how that... it's pork, but I'm not sure how they cook it.

WJ: Okay.

JS: Um, so cooked pork. Um... That's typically what she requests for her parties. That's like her favorite meal.

WJ: Okay, and what kind of gifts did she get?

JS: She got a lot of money.

WJ: Okay.

JS: That’s what she ended up showing me. I think she had a few trinkets, but most of it was just a big wad of money that she was so excited for. (Laughs)

WJ: Alright. Is there any particular reason Stephan couldn't make it up to the party? Because it's my understanding he didn't exactly work or anything.

JS: Um... He wouldn't have been invited. Um, the party was held at my mom's house, and my mom and him have never had a great relationship. She's never liked him, so he wouldn’t have been invited to the party at all. It just would have been my whole family and then me if I hadn't worked, I would have been there.

WJ: Okay. Now during this 30 minutes that the three of you are in your bedroom, is Madeline engaging in any of her kind of nighttime routine or getting ready for bed? What else is going on, if anything?

JS: Ummmm... We spent a long time talking about gifts and having her show me, and then we counted out her money. Um... (long pause) I can't remember if she had finished with all of her bedtime routine.

WJ: Okay. Does she brush her teeth at night?

JS: Uh, in the shower.

WJ: In the shower, okay, and that occurred before you got home?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And my understanding with her nighttime medication is that that's something you would like to make sure she had at bedtime or so?

JS:  Something like that, yeah.

WJ: So were you present for that occurring, or did that occur after you got home?

JS: That-that did not occur on my call. Ummm...I believe I had instructed Maddie.... when she got home to go ahead and take them herself.

WJ: Okay. And is that something that she's allowed to do?

JS: Um, from time to time, yeah.

WJ: You say they, is there... what my understanding was there was some hydroxyzine. Is there anything else she takes at night?

JS: Just hydroxyzine.

WJ: Alright, and the MiraLAX is when?

JS: MiraLAX is [redacted]

WJ: So that would have been earlier while you were at work too if she took it?

JS: Yeah.

WJ: She may not have because she was at the party?

JS: Yeah, because she's been.. Because I had been training at work that week and we had been going back and forth with my mom’s a lot, the MiraLAX wasn’t consistent (laughs).

WJ: Okay. Alright. Now, Madeline, does she lay out her clothes for school the next day, or is that something she gets in the morning, makes a game-time decision like my kid?

JS: (Quick Sigh) Typically It is a game-time decision, morning of.

WJ: Okay, what about this specific evening, do you remember anything about it?

JS: Yes. This evening we had, um, I had already discussed prior to Stephan coming to visit that he was going to help me take Maddie to school that day. Um, so because I knew that that was what was going to happen that night, I had asked Maddie to pick out your clothes, have everything ready, have your backpack ready, your water bottle, everything you need ready, so that way you could just grab your stuff and head out. It won’t be too much--too much of a hassle in the morning. Um, and so she did. She picked out her clothing. I asked her what she was wearing, and she told me what she had picked out. I said, “Okay, fine.”

WJ: Alright, so she picks it out, but does she physically take it out of somewhere, wherever she stores her clothes, and put it somewhere?

JS: I’m not sure.

WJ: Okay.

JS: I'm not sure if she took that clothes upstairs with her or anything like that.

WJ: Alright. So far you didn't see them in your room. And did you have the opportunity to kind of see her cubby part of the living room to see if she had put them on her bed or anything like that?

JS: I hadn't seen them.

WJ: Does Madeline have like a water bottle or a Hydro Flask or whatever the kids call it that she likes to sleep with and bring up or bring wherever she's sleeping?

JS: Mmmmm.... Typically not. That stays downstairs in her backpack, and then she'll clean it in the morning and then fill it back up and just leave it in her backpack. That typically stays in the backpack.

WJ: Okay. Favorite stuffed animal or stuffed animals, anything that always goes with her wherever she's sleeping?

JS: Uh, she does have a few stuffies and blankies. Um, did I see any that day?

WJ: Yeah. Specifically, did you see if she brought any of that stuff upstairs with her?

JS: Oh, no, I didn't see any of that stuff upstairs.

WJ: Now, separate question, generally, habitually, like your attorney was saying, there's a difference between specific memory but generally, would she do that? Not saying that you saw it that night.

JS: Generally, would she do what? Bring...?

WJ: Have stuffies and blankets and her favorite stuff?

JS: Uh, yes. Uh, she typically would.

WJ: So if Stephan says something like "Maddie's building her nest and getting settled in," would that to you mean like her stuff is part of this "nest," or what do you think that would mean if you know?

JS: I'm not sure.

WJ: Okay. Do you recall getting that text from Stephan that night that Maddie had settled into her nest for the night?

JS: I don't remember that text, no. (barely audible)

WJ: Okay. My understanding was that at some point you told them it was time to go to bed.

JS: Yeah.

Do you recall about what time that was?

JS: Around 11:00.

WJ: So that's consistent with getting home at 10:30, having this half-hour discussion, and eating your Pub Sub. Is that a yes?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Alright. Do they comply with your wishes to go upstairs when you say that at about 11:00?

JS: Uhhh... (sigh) Yes, they do... Um...

WJ: Is there any further communication between either you and Madeline or you and Stephan about "Alright, kids, it's time to go to bed," anything like that, or was that the last you had heard from either one of them that night?

JS: I think at some point Stephan comes downstairs to use the restroom and then goes back upstairs, but after that, I don't recall interacting or saying anything so...

WJ: Okay. And my understanding is that you had some sort of parental controls over Maddie's phone. Is that accurate?

JS: I'm not sure by parental controls exactly. I didn't have any limits or anything on the phone set up.

WJ: Well, like for instance, if she wanted to install Game Pigeon, does that have to go through you?

JS: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So any permissions for any apps she would have to ask me for.

WJ: Alright. And does that ring a bell as to occurring that Sunday, Game Pigeon?

JS: I don't remember. (barely audible)

WJ: Okay. Alright, so that's the last time you hear from either one of them until the morning. My understanding is that Stephan comes down and is dealing with your dog.

JS: Yeah.

WJ: So is there any communication other than perhaps Stephan coming down to use the restroom, is there any other communication that you have between Stephan and Maddie?

JS: No, I didn’t see them. (barely audible)

WJ: Do you don't see them, now I've said communicate, do you see them, do you go up and check on them? Do you see Madeline or Stephan from the point you kick them out at 11:00 p.m. until you see Stephan at 8 in the morning-ish is what you guess for the dog?

JS: Yeah, uh no, I didn’t. I didn’t see them. (barely audible)

WJ: Okay. Now, when you go to sleep, do you sleep through the night or do you wake up and not have consistent good sleep?

JS: I sleep through the night.

WJ: Okay, so there wouldn't be any points in time where you get up and you're taking steps or just checking on your phone because you can't go back to sleep. As far as you remember, when you go to sleep, you're out until the dog thing in the morning?

JS: (inaudible)

WJ: Did hear or see anything during those hours involving Stephan or Madeline.

JS: I didn't hear or see anything that night. (barely audible)

WJ: Okay. Alright. What's the first thing you remember when you wake up after having gone to sleep?

JS: I wake up to Stephan trying to put the leash on the dog.

WJ: Okay. Now, is this the first time that you've ever woken up to Stephan trying to put a leash on your dog, or is that something that has occurred before in the past?

JS: I'm going to say this is the first time. Um, it's not normal for any of us to put the leash on the dog on the bed because if he's on top of any like bed or couch or anything, he'll pee. He gets really nervous; you have to do it on the floor. So I found it really weird that he did that. But...

WJ: Alright, so let me ask it a little more broadly. Is this the first time Stephan's ever come into your room while you're sleeping to take the dog out for you in the morning?

JS: Uhhhmmm. (Long pause) I can't recall if he's done something before.

WJ: Okay. Did you find it unusual then, or what did you think when this is occurring?

JS: When it happened...I think I was more—I found it off, but I was more worried about the dog. I was like, "Please don't pee on the bed. I don't want to deal--do laundry." So I was more anxious over that. He put the dog on the leash and told me to lay down and go back to sleep, and I said, "Okay."

WJ: So were you not laying down when he tells you to go back and lay down?

JS: No. When-when he got-- when put the leash on the dog, I shot up off the bed because I was going to help him. I was like, "No, no, let me do it," and he's like, "No, no, go back to sleep. I'm fine. I got this." I said, "Okay."

WJ: Now, do you go back to sleep, or do you check your phone or do anything?

JS: I think I go back to sleep, didn't look at anything (barely audible)

WJ: And this period of time that you have been awoken by Stephan, do you hear or see anybody else in your household?

JS: I... hear.... some...body.... in the kitchen. I'm not sure who it was.

WJ: Not sure who it was. Okay. Could you identify it by size, like their steps, or could you identify gender by their voice, anything like that?

JS: All I heard was sounds of like cabinets shutting, like somebody in there shutting like looking for something and shutting.

WJ: Okay. Now, if your daughter had been awake, would she come in and say goodbye to you before school or not? Just let you sleep?

JS: (Pause) I would have hoped she would have come by and say goodbye to me. (Laughs) Um, I can't remember if this is one of the first times that Stephan actually took her to school, so I (pause) I would have hoped she would have said goodbye, but I'm not sure.

WJ: Alright. So do you fall back asleep?

JS: I do.

WJ: And when do you wake up and how do you wake up?

JS: I wake up at like 9:00 in the morning um, to my alarm. Um... Yeah, I wake up at like 9:00 in the morning to my alarm. Uh, I get ready I think at around 9:30, 9:45, I leave for my doctor's appointment.

WJ: Okay. So in this period of time from when you're waking up and getting ready, do you see anybody else in your home?

JS: (Long pause) At this point I'm not too sure. I know throughout the day I've seen my roommate in the kitchen cooking and doing her thing, but I don't recall if it was at this time.

WJ: Did you see your daughter this morning on the 26th?

JS: No.

WJ: Did you have any texts or phone calls or any other type of communication through any possible app on your phone like, "Hey, Mom, love you," at school, whatever, any communications from Madeline?

JS: Nothing.

WJ: Alright. How about from Stephan by the time that you wake up at 9:00, Any text or communication from him like, "Maddie's dropped, I'm off to the game store" or whatever he's doing?

JS: No. Um... I didn't hear back from Stephan until 10:00, like 10:20, and he had told me he left his phone at home that whole morning by accident. I had asked him how the morning went, how was Maddie, and he let me know that the morning went great, they made great time, she got busy super quick. He was going to take her to McDonald's for breakfast, but she changed her mind. All she wanted to do was sleep in the car, so he let her sleep, he took her to school, and dropped her off where he said he dropped her off, and that--that was it.

WJ: And you had a 10:15 appointment for a blood draw?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And, did you go anywhere else prior to getting to your appointment? Did you go directly there or not directly there, that's basically the question.

JS: Oh, I went directly there.

WJ: Alright. And after your blood draw, did you go directly back home?

JS: Yes.

WJ: About what time did you get home?

JS: Sometime between 11:15 and 11:30.

WJ: Did you have any other appointments or doctor's appointments later in the day?

JS: I was supposed to have had one, but I canceled it.

WJ: When did you cancel it?

JS: That same day.

WJ: Why did you cancel it?

JS: Because it was a $350 Botox appointment that I didn't want to spend the money on. I--I changed my mind last second.

WJ: Okay. When you get home from your blood draw appointment, is there anybody else at your home?

JS: Ummm... When I got home from the blood draw... yes, Stephan was home.

WJ: Alright. Can you describe what he's wearing, what he's doing, his demeanor, what's going on?

JS: I can't recall what he's wearing. It might be a red shirt with a graphic on it.

WJ: Okay.

JS: (Deep sigh) He's sitting in my bedroom at my desk.

WJ: Prior to you getting there, he's in your room, or is that where you guys go to talk?

JS: He was hanging out there in my room. My room is kind of like the general hangout spot.

WJ: Okay.

JS: I walk into my room, he's sitting there on the computer chair. He's talking, acting normal, um, asking about the morning and how everything went, and then he let me know the errands that he ran that morning or what he was up to.

WJ: And what did he say he was up to?

JS: He said he had dropped Maddie off at school and then afterwards went to a vape shop so he could buy vaping things.

WJ: Okay.

JS: But the store wasn’t open, so he waited a long time for them to open. They never did, so he drove around, killed time, and eventually made it back to my house at like 10:20. Later on, while he was home, we started discussing—he started telling me that he was going to go back out to run a few more errands in a little bit down 192, and he gave me the name of a few stores that he might stop at, and I said okay. I asked him if he wanted to meet me at my house by 2:30 so that we could go pick up Maddie from school together, and he said yeah, he’d be back by 2:30. I said okay.

WJ: So was that the plan, to get her together, or was it ever discussed that he would get her alone?

JS: The plan was for us to get her together.

WJ: Okay. Alright. So does he leave before you leave?

JS: Uhhh.. Actually, before this, while we were still discussing—while we were having the conversation in my room, he did mention at one point, oh, while he was sitting there, that he had to reboot his phone or that he had to update his phone.

WJ: Mhm.

JS: And, I told him, "Stop avoiding it. Do it. It's an update, it'll take a while, just do it." And while he was updating his phone, he said, "I don't know what I did, but I--I just factory reset my phone."

WJ: Mhm.

JS: I said, "That's weird. I didn’t know you could do that." He said, "Yeah, a button popped up and I pressed it, and it just reset my entire phone." And I'm like, "Oh, that sucks." Um.

WJ: So does he leave before you do to go run these errands he mentioned?

JS: Yes, he does uh, leave.

WJ: Do you stay at home until it's time to go get Madeline?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Do you hear anything from Stephan while he's out doing these errands?

JS: Uh... No.

WJ: Okay. So 2:30 rolls around. Is Stephan back home yet?

JS: No. At this point, I leave.

WJ: Do you call, try and call him, or text him or communicate with him?

JS: Yeah, I had been calling him, like, maybe starting 15 minutes before I was supposed to leave, just to see where he was.

WJ: Did he answer?

JS: No. I leave at 2:30. Around 10 minutes later, I get a phone call from him, and he said, "I'm so sorry, I left my phone at home again on accident. Um, I was driving down 192 and my tire exploded or shredded, and I had to pull over into one of the plazas and change my tire." Um, I hurt--he said he hurt his thumb doing and that, um, yeah, that he was late and didn't make it back on time for that reason.

WJ: Alright. When you leave to go pick Madeline up at 2:30, do you take her phone with you?

JS: I do.

WJ: And how is it that you come to get her phone to go with you?

JS: Um, at some point in the morning, I was organizing and putting things away, and I walked into her bedroom and I saw her phone on her dresser. I just assumed, "Oh, she must have left it here while getting dressed and forgot it."

WJ: Okay. Was it on?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And sometimes when you bump or move phones, the notification screen comes up. Did you happen to do that, and did you see if there were any incoming notifications that she had missed?

JS: I hadn't seen any, though.

WJ: Okay. Alright. So you go to school, and due to time constraints—like an NFL football game—we’re going to kind of jump ahead a little bit. My understanding is that you want to be first in line,

JS: Mhm.

WJ: And you have to get there early to do that, and I understand that.

JS: Yeah.

WJ: She doesn’t come out?

JS: No, she doesn’t.

WJ: Did you call her phone?

JS: I did. (Laughs)

WJ: Why did you do that?

JS: Because I forgot I had it with me. I was like, "Where is she? Why isn't she out yet?" So I started calling her phone, and then I started realizing I was hearing vibrating, and then I looked down and saw her phone was with me. I was like, "Oh,

WJ: Okay.

JS: How am I going to get a hold of her?" because I'm the first in line, the cars behind me already have children, they’re full, they’re waiting for me to leave.

WJ: Okay. Alright. So I'm going to kind of jump ahead. Did Madeline ever complain to you about believing that Stephan had taken her Christmas money?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Tell me about that. Christmas money went missing, and we were both...

JS: Um, it—I was—I, I don't even know how to explain this. We had collected all of her envelopes with Christmas money and consolidated it into one. I put all her money in one, and then I said I would put this somewhere safe. I thought I had put it in my nightstand. A few days later comes—comes around, whatever. Um, we start looking for it or asking for it, something like that, and we can't find it. We can't find it at all. (Deep sigh) Um.

WJ: So let me just narrow it down. Did she accuse Stephan of taking it?

JS: I'm not sure if she did directly. We—we—we both had the suspicion, but we were like, "No, could he have? No, I don't think so." But I eventually found that money.

WJ: Okay. I was just going to say the mystery end. Alright, so you just started this job at Disney Coronado Springs like a week or two earlier, is that right?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And your sister and other family members would help with Maddie getting to school because of your job?

JS: Uh, yes. My mom, my mom and my sister. yes.

WJ: Okay. Why is it that now Stephan, on February 26, is coming up to help as opposed to any of your family members helping get Maddie to school?

JS: Uh, I had asked him to come and help me because I think I was working a lot of night—night shifts or like really late shifts, and, um, I just wanted the opportunity to see Maddie, like—because I wanted to spend more time with my daughter throughout the week while I was working. Um, versus if she had stayed at my mom's, I wouldn't have seen her all week.

WJ: Okay.

JS: Um, so that was just me wanting to see her and spend—spend time with her.

WJ: Did Madeline stay at your mom's house fairly frequently?

JS: Every few weekends, here and there, like just for the weekend kind of thing.

WJ: So, like if she described it to her friends as like her second home, and like kind of offered up, "It's better, better jacuzzi and pool," does that sound like that's the place?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Where does Madeline sleep when she's over at your mom's?

JS: She will sleep in bed with my mom.

WJ: Okay. Did she ever have sleepovers, like have friends come over and sleep over—

JS: Slumber parties? No.

WJ: Did she ever go and attend any?

JS: No.

WJ: Is there any particular reason? I mean, she's a 12-year-old girl on the cusp of being 13.

JS: Yeah... I--I've been very uncomfortable with sleepovers just because I know what can happen. Anything can happen at a sleepover.

WJ: Well, then you could be the host house, like we kind of were. You never hosted any sleepovers for her friends?

JS: For her friends? No. (barely audible)

WJ: Did she ask about it?

JS: Yeah, she did ask.

WJ: Was it probably a source of contention or arguments?

JS: Uh, it was, I guess what was the source of argument it was her—she wanted to really sleep over at her best friend's house, and I just kept saying, "No, no, no. You never know what could happen. I don't know the dad, I don't know the brother, I don't know anybody there. Like, I don't know what could happen to you." So, um, just afraid of her getting assaulted. Um.

WJ: Okay. Um, did Maddie do her own laundry?

JS: Yeah.

WJ: Did she cook for herself?

JS: I was teaching her how to make a few things. So, I mean, yeah, she could, I guess.

WJ: Okay. What's her normal routine for getting ready for bed?

JS: (Crying) We give her her meds... (Crying)

WJ: I'm sorry to take your time.

JS: (Crying voice) We get ready for bed. I'd give her her medications. Um, she would get in the shower, take a long shower.

WJ: I understand, like an hour plus?

JS:  (Crying voice) Yeah, she loved it. She’d get out, uh, she'd get dressed, she’d let her hair towel-dry for a while, and then she would brush it. We would watch some TV, she’d probably have a snack before bed as well.

WJ: Okay. What were kind of her nighttime uniforms? I mean, everybody kind of has their pajamas, but they're not necessarily pajamas. What was her routine nightwear?

JS: Uh, she really liked wearing, uh, shorts. So she had a few pajama outfits, uh, but she really liked wearing shorts and, uh, baggie t-shirts.

WJ: Okay, how about, uh, her routine getting ready for school in the morning? What's that about?

JS: Um, we'd wake up, the alarm would start ringing around 7:30. We'd snooze it up until 8:00, then she'd get up. Um, she'd get dressed and then she'd lay back down in bed (laughs) while she would wait for me to make her breakfast.

WJ: So she would—she’s a breakfast eater?

JS: Yeah.

WJ: Okay.

JS: Uh, she'd have breakfast, then she would start, you know, with, um, brushing her hair, brushing her teeth, putting on makeup. I would give her her ADHD medications for school.

WJ: Is that every day or just school days?

JS: [redacted] Um.

WJ: So it sounds like you're heading out like 8:45 or 9?

JS: Yes. (barely audible)

WJ: And it takes like what, did you say 15–20 minutes to get to school?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And first bell's 9:38? Something like that?

JS: 9:28. 9:28 a.m, yeah.

WJ: So on Monday the 26th, 7:30 seems like a really early time to depart to go to middle school, even if you're getting Mickey D's. What was the discussion about when Stephan and Madeline were going to leave on the 26th?

JS: There wasn't one.

WJ: So you didn't know anything about these plans? Or did you?

JS: I knew that they were going to go to McDonald's, but not at 7:00 in the morning. That wasn't...

WJ: Okay

JS: I had assumed like 8:00. Um, but even then, 8:00 is kind of early, like 8 or 8:30, 'cause you could just go to McDonald's, be done by 9:00, and then drop her off at school. McDonald’s is right up the block from the school.

WJ: So Madeline's not driving, so she can eat while she's riding?

JS: Yeah, and she takes about an hour to get ready in the morning.

WJ: Mhm. Yes, yes. So if they were leaving at 7:30, you'd think she'd have to get up at 6:30 to get ready and go through her routine, right?

JS: Yeah, that's extremely early.

WJ: Okay, and is that what Stephan told you after these events unfolded, that they left early like 7:30? What did he ever tell you?

JS: (Deep sigh) It was early. I can't remember the time. I think he said he dropped her off in front of her school sometime between 8:15 and 8:45.

WJ: You say "I." What do you mean by that? Did you drop her off that morning?

JS: No, I'm speaking—sorry, I'm saying what Stephan told me. Stephan let me know that he dropped her off sometime between 8:15 and 8:45, uh, on the road by the church close to her school.

WJ: Mhm.

JS: And I remember asking him, "Why so early? That's too early. School doesn't start until 9:30. Why did you drop her off that early?" He said, "Oh, I don't know. We just left the house and made good time. I wasn’t paying attention to the clock."

WJ: Okay, did Madeline ever have effects from taking the hydroxyzine in the morning, like still be kind of sluggish?

JS: Yes.

WJ: How often would that occur? Was that like every morning or not every morning?

JS: Not every morning. Um, if we happened to give her her medication later than normal, than routine, that would happen, but...

WJ: Okay. And were there ever any instances where she had taken too much of the medicine, perhaps you and Stephan had given her medicine not knowing that the other person had?

JS: Yes, that's happened once before.

WJ: How more—just once or more?

JS: I want to say once.

WJ: Okay. Um, were you taking medicinal marijuana in pill form at any point or THC?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And what do those pills or tablets or capsules look like?

JS: They're purple capsules.

WJ: Did you ever suspect or confront Stephan about, um, giving those medications to Madeline?

JS: No.

WJ: So during this incident where, um, Madeline had been double-dosed for hydroxyzine, do you recall any conversation you had with Stephan, inquiring as to whether or not he had accidentally given her any of your THC?

JS: That hadn’t occurred to me. I—I had asked him the day that—the one morning Maddie wouldn’t wake up and—and get ready for school and she was just out of it. I thought it was—I assumed it was medication-related, but I didn’t...realize. I’m like, "Did this one medication hit her too hard 'cause we gave it to her late?" I called Poison Control. I needed to see what would happen because at this point, I think I had gotten Stephan to admit that he gave her a second dose of the sleeping meds as well 'cause he thought I hadn’t given it to her in the first place.

WJ: Okay.

JS: Um, but that was with hydroxyzine. I didn’t know anything about THC, the marijuana.

WJ: I’m just asking you—

JS: Oh.

WJ: Um, I’m asking if you remember having that conversation because there is a conversation on your phone about you—you were relaying that Madeline said that she suspected that it was different, bigger pills, and you relayed that to Stephan and had a conversation with him. And if you don’t remember it 'cause it was a year ago, that’s fine. Um, my next question is, um, you have two female roommates?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And one of them has a child, a son, that sleeps part-time over there?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And so my understanding is, they're kind of—it’s like a—I don’t know what to call it—like a bed and breakfast. There are numbers on the doors upstairs?

JS: (Laughs) I don’t know. I just, to make it easier for the roommates, I just labeled each bedroom.

WJ: So they’re in two and three?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Alright, now bedroom number four—at one point, you told the police that your sister was staying with you, and that’s why, um, the sleeping arrangements were as they were. Was your sister ever staying with you, or did I misunderstand what you said?

JS: No, no, my sister wasn’t staying with me. Um...

WJ: Okay. Um, so let me ask you this. Um, at what point did Madeline’s bedroom kind of become the living room? When did that setup start?

JS: I think as soon as...a few months into us moving back into that townhouse.

WJ: And when would that have been?

JS: Let’s see...June of—sometime in 2022, but I’m not sure when.

WJ: Okay, it's my understanding that it's December 2022 that you and Stephan kind of break up?

JS: Yes.

WJ: But he still remains in the townhome?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Why is that?

JS: (Deep sigh) So even though we were broken up, I still considered him one of my best friends. Um, I wanted to give him an opportunity to live there and he—he had just—he had gotten a job at Disney the...(inaudible)...well, okay, and I didn’t want him to continue to lose that 'cause he had been struggling for a long time to get a job or do anything because of his own mental health issues.

WJ: Okay.

JS: So I just wanted to give him a chance to, like, do something, be—be something.

WJ: So, um, did he pay rent?

JS: Yes.

WJ: How much rent did he pay?

JS: Uh, 600 bucks a month. Sorry.

WJ: No, you're fine.  ____—no footsies (laughing). Um, so in December of 2022, kind of when the breakup happens, prior to that, what were the sleeping arrangements in your home? Was he sleeping in your bedroom as a couple?

JS: Yes.

WJ: So who's in bedroom number four, if anybody?

JS: I think that room remained empty for a while, for a little bit. There was another roommate there, but, uh, it remained empty for the most part.

WJ: Um, and were your female roommates already there in two and three?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Why doesn’t Madeline have that bedroom four?

JS: I wanted her to have bedroom four, but my dad really wanted rent. Um, that—that whole unit that I live in is owned by my father.

WJ: Okay. So let me ask you this: Do you pay your father anything to live there, or does he just handle the collecting of rent from your rentees—lessees, whatever they are?

JS: Uh, I—I pay him rent as well.

WJ: Okay, what—what do you pay for the rent?

JS: My portion of the rent was $400 a month.

WJ: Alright, and what do the two female roommates pay?

JS: 850 and 650.

WJ: Okay. Prior to Madeline, um, having her own bedroom set up in the living room, where was she sleeping in that townhome?

JS: Uh, in—in my bed with me.

WJ: Okay, and this is during a time frame when you were together with Stephan, so is it the three of you every night?

JS: Well, we—when we had first moved in, it was just me and Maddie, so it was just me and her on the bed. Then I think we eventually got her her own bedroom. Um, Stephan moves in eventually, and then, yeah, at that point it does become the three of us on the bed.

WJ: Okay, so Maddie’s 12 and she has her own bedroom. And how often is she sleeping in her own bed alone?

JS: Hardly. She doesn’t like sleeping alone.

WJ: And she doesn’t like the living room?

JS: It’s too big, too quiet, she says. It’d be too dark, and that there would be spiders—she would see spiders so, um,

WJ: So you say "hardly." Were there ever nights where she just slept alone in her bed, or is it 100%? 'Cause there's a difference between "hardly ever" and "100%" to me.

JS: If she ever slept on that bed, it was like once.

WJ: Okay. Alright, so now you've broken up with Stephan in December of 2022, right?

JS: Mhm.

WJ: Um, he's still paying rent, and he's there full-time in bedroom number four? Is that where he goes after you break up?

JS: No, he stayed in my room for a few months. Um, we had broken up, but we weren’t sure how to discuss it with Maddie 'cause it was the beginning--middle of the school year, and I didn’t want to affect her in any way.

WJ: Mhm.

JS: Uh, so we just played it off, um, acted like everything was normal and fine for the first 6 months. And then eventually, she caught on, and once she did, we admitted to her that we were broken up, and then, um, yeah, at that point is when he moved up to bedroom 4.

WJ: Okay. And once he moved up to bedroom 4, were there instances where Madeline would sleep alone upstairs with him?

JS: (Deep sigh) I’m going to say...

WJ: I want you to think carefully before you answer, because obviously, we've gone through your phone and we've seen all the conversations that you've had with Stephan, so it's clear that that's occurring. So I'm giving you the chance to answer the question.

JS: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how many times it’s happened.

WJ: Okay. Why are you allowing that to occur?

JS: (Deep sigh) I saw, uh, Stephan as someone that I completely trusted with my life, my child’s life. Um, I thought he had cared for her as a father would. He had been in her life for more than half of it, playing the father role. Um, I thought he cared for her the way I did. I...

WJ: Now, does there come a point in time in 2023 where you've kind of had enough of roommate-ex-boyfriend Stephan and ask him to hit the road?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Is that fair to say it was like October?

JS: Maybe, yeah, like the end of October, 'cause then I gave him all of November and told him he had to be out by December 1st, kind of thing. But yeah, that sounds about right.

WJ: And then did you kind of ask him to leave a month earlier, and it was a source of arguments?

JS: Uh, yeah.

WJ: Okay, so now at this point in time when he's being asked to leave, have you had any conversation with Maddie that mommy isn’t together with Stephan anymore, and this is kind of the way the world? Do you have that conversation with her?

JS: Uh, she had—by June, um, she figured it out already. So she knew we weren’t together or anything like that. Um, so she—by December, yeah, she had already known he was leaving. And...

WJ: Okay?

JS: But that was okay.

WJ: Why is he coming back to visit after he's out?

JS: (Deep sigh) We’re still friendly with each other at this point. Christmas is coming up, and we wanted to spend Christmas together. So he comes up for a few days during Christmas, and then he does visit a few more times after that, but for the day. And it's to pick up packages—he keeps getting mail delivered to my house, packages—so he just comes up and picks them up.

WJ: And when he comes to visit after he's been kind of kicked out, is he paying rent, or how is this working? Or is he just coming to visit?

JS: He's just coming to visit.

WJ: Is your father making any, uh, arrangements to rent bedroom number four? Because this is his income that he's losing.

JS: Uh, yeah, we had—had, like, an ad, um, posted to see if we could get any renters. Um, so we were trying to rent it out, but then we had to stop.

WJ: And what happens if you had ended up renting room number four? Is Stephan going to still come up and visit you and sleep in your bed?

JS: I don’t know. I hadn’t even thought of it at that point.

WJ: At one point, you told investigators that Stephan was quote-unquote "stuck down there" until they could afford for him to come back. Were there plans for him to come back?

JS: We had discussed him coming back and living with me. We weren’t sure—temporarily or, like, for me to help him out with the place for a little bit before he could find his own place and move out. Or we were also considering talking about living together as, like, a companionship, um, 'cause he was my best friend who was helping me out with my child.

WJ: 'Cuz you told investigators that a lot of the reason your relationship fizzled off with Stephan was that your antidepressants [redacted]—you—you had moved on to other people, had you not?

JS: Yes.

WJ: And so despite having moved on with other people, you were still having Stephan come up and visit, and there were plans to cohabitate with him again, potentially?

JS: Possibly, yes.

WJ: Maddie had the opportunity to go visit her biological father in the fall out in Texas. Is that a yes?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Alright. Do you remember texting the biological father, "Hope nobody touches Maddie or tries shit or films her under the bathroom"? You remember sending that text?

JS: No.

WJ: [Long redaction] Orange County Sheriff's Office back in February?

JS: No.

WJ: 'Cause that seems like a very oddly specific thing to text the father, so you didn’t know anything about what was going on—filming underneath bathroom doors?

JS: No idea. I don’t know why I would have texted that.

WJ: Okay. June 16th of last year, about 9:30 p.m.—

JS: Oh, actually, I—I can't actually think back to that.

WJ: Okay. What—?

JS: Um, I think around the time that Maddie was going to fly out to Houston, there had been an airline person that had gone into the bathroom and placed their camera on the toilet to film. Um, and I remember thinking, I don’t want Maddie—I’m afraid of Maddie being alone on the plane because what if an attendant does that to her? Says, "Hold on, let me fix something in the bathroom," and in reality, they’re setting up a camera—'cause this did happen to a girl.

WJ: Okay.

JS: So, um, I want to say I may have been concerns over that.

WJ: Okay. Now, June 16th of last year at 9:30 p.m. and 27 seconds, you texted Stephan this: "Maddie's no longer sleeping with me, I can't risk it." What does that mean?

JS: (Long pause) I have no idea.

WJ: How often was Maddie sleeping with you?

JS: Often—all the time.

WJ: Well, you keep on saying "often" versus "all the time." Was it 100% of the time or not 100% of the time?

JS: If she wasn't with my mom and she was with me, then yeah, she was sleeping with me.

WJ: Okay. And if she's at Mom’s, she's 100% of the time sleeping with Mom?

JS: With my mom—or, she does have her own room, I guess, like there’s another spare room she could use, but for the most part, she prefers to sleep with my mom.

WJ: Okay. Um, now, my understanding is that you had some sort of period tracker that you kept track of Madeline's period with?

JS: I had a calendar app that I would write—I would write what days she would get her period, yeah.

WJ: And obviously Madeline doesn’t have a job, so she’s not going out and buying the products that she would need if she had her period, right? You would have to do that for her?

JS: Mhm.

WJ: Is that a yes?

JS: Yes.

WJ: So do you remember her using any of those products, um, at all in February? 'Cause I assume you take the trash out, or does she take the trash out, or how does all this work?

JS: I take the trash out. Um, in February, no, I didn’t notice her using any of her feminine hygiene products.

WJ: Did you have any conversations with her about that?

JS: Uh, no, but I didn’t notice until after everything—like,

WJ: 'cause it would have been due, like, at the beginning of February, and this all happens at the end of February. So she’s almost due again in March. So you never had any conversations with her about not having her period at the beginning of February?

JS: No. There have been—she’s had other periods that have been missed or, like, super late, so I just assumed this was going to be one of those situations again.

WJ: Okay.

JS: Um, but no, I didn’t.

WJ: Did you ever discuss her periods or lack of periods with Stephan?

JS: I don’t think so.

WJ: Um, it’s my understanding that Maddie had to take MiraLAX. I'm familiar with that myself because of my daughter when she was little. Um, so she had constipation issues?

JS: Yeah.

WJ: Would it ever cause her discomfort, physical pain, bleeding?

JS: Um, yes.

WJ: And how are you aware of that?

JS: Uh, she would tell me. Uh, there have been moments—so, we’ve gone to--we’ve gone to doctor’s appointments, they’ve run a lot of tests on her. They told me why her body is doing what it’s doing, but—um, she’s shown me—like, she’s shown me, like, uh, if there was blood, or if she’s in the bathroom and she just can’t go—like, it’s stuck (laughs)—she’s shown me that too.

WJ: So did she ever specifically seek treatment for tears or bleeding or anything due to her bowel movements?

JS: No, I don’t think so. Tears or anything like that, no—I don’t think there was ever a--a...tear.

WJ: Okay. On February 26th, the whole purpose of Stephan coming and taking Madeline to school was so that you could get some sleep—you had missed your medications Saturday night, so on and so forth, right?

JS: Yes.

WJ: Is there any particular reason Stephan couldn’t have driven your car to take Madeline to school and therefore not embarrass her, and he could just drop her off normally?

JS: Yes, but, um, because he’s not on my car insurance, I was very nervous to let him drive my car.

WJ: You did let him drive your car after this occurred though, right?

JS: Yes, but he was very insistent because he wanted to go look for Maddie, and he had a spare on his car 'cause he had a flat, so he couldn’t drive his car, so he just really wanted to go out, so I just let him—but I wasn’t comfortable with it.

WJ: During your previous interviews—and you did it once today—you kind of interchanged "I," "we," or "Stephan" dropping Madeline off at school. Did you see Madeline at all on February 26th of 2024, that Monday?

JS: No. (barely audible)

WJ: Do you know anything about how she died?

JS: No. (barely audible)

WJ: Did Stephan tell you anything about how she died?

JS: No. (barely audible)

WJ: Did Stephan tell you about his plans to go back down to North Port in your car that Wednesday morning?

JS: No. (barely audible)

WJ: Okay. Got any questions, Mark? I'm getting close.

MM: I’m going to jump through 'cause I was making notes as we’re going on. So, how frequently did Stephan come up here after he moved back to North Port?

JS: I’m going to say,

MM: How many times total do you think he came back here?

JS: Two to three times.

MM: Do you remember if those were around specific dates?

JS: One was, like, the week of Christmas. (Long pause) I can’t remember when the other one was.

MM: Was Stephan in town the week or two prior to this last time he came?

JS: I don’t remember. It’s possible, but I don’t remember—everything is becoming a blur.

MM: Do you remember sending him a text message asking if he can babysit Maddie while you go have lunch with your friend?

JS: This was a few weeks before? I remember—I remember going out a few weeks before. I don't remember asking him to babysit. I don't know where he was.

MM: Did you ever go to lunch with your friend and he babysat her?

JS: I—I did go to lunch with my friend, but I don’t think he—I don’t think he was here. I think Maddie stayed home alone for a few hours.

MM: Okay. When you mentioned Maddie caught on about you guys being broken up, how did that happen? What—like, what did she say, or?

JS: I forgot. We were—me and Stephan were having a conversation, and she goes, "Are you guys broken up?" We kind of looked at her, and I'm like, "Why do you ask?" She goes, "’Cause you guys are kind of acting like you're broken up. You guys haven't hugged and kissed in a long time." (Laughs) Like, okay, so we just kind of—

MM: How do you think she felt about that?

JS: Fine. She didn’t act sad or—or happy or anything. She was just like, "Whatever."

MM: Alright. Now you mentioned—and you mentioned to me before too—that you found her phone on her dresser in, like, her little bedroom area. Does she have a specific spot where she plugs in her phone to charge? How does she charge her phone?

JS: Um, so on her side of my bed, um, she’s got a long charger. She’ll connect it there to charge. Um, don’t know how she charged it that night though. Don’t know if she took her charger and moved it to the room upstairs. Not sure.

MM: How do you charge your phone?

JS: I charge my phone with my charger next to me on my side of the bed.

MM: Okay. Is it one that you plug in, or

JS: the magnetic one?

MM: Okay. Um, now, when you go to bed at night, is there any kind of routine that you do with your phone? If you’re texting, looking on TikTok, or whatever, and you go to bed, do you just set your phone down and go to sleep? Or what’s that routine like?

JS: I’ll TikTok until I start dozing off, and then I’ll put my phone on the charger, make sure my alarm’s on, and then, um, yeah, just lay down, close my eyes, and hope not to think of too much—just fall asleep.

MM: Okay. That night—Saturday or Sunday night—when you guys were spending this half hour of time together, was all you that you were doing talking about gifts and counting her money, or were you guys doing anything else?

JS: Just asking her for more details about the party and telling me, like, what I missed. She seemed like she had a really good time.

MM: When you got home from work that day, where—where was everybody?

JS: I think everyone was in my room, hanging out in my room.

MM: Okay, everybody meaning?

JS: Maddie and Stephan were there, sorry.

MM: Alright. Um, now it’s obvious that you and Stephan communicate via text message and phone calls and stuff like that. What is Google Meet?

JS: Google Meet? That is like Google’s version of FaceTime. So, just face chatting.

MM: Okay. Uh, video chatting?

JS: Yeah.

MM: Um, when the birthday party—when her birthday party was planned, was this planned before you got your job or after?

JS: The birthday party? Mhm. I think it was planned before, 'cause once I saw my schedule and I saw that I—it was during a training day, and I—I wasn’t going to call out. I considered re—rescheduling the party, but my family was insistent to just keep it that day. I said, "Okay."

MM: Okay. Uh, alright. So Stephan moves out of his room, and I think you mentioned that your dad had plans on renting that room again to somebody else, is that right?

JS: Yeah.

MM: How was that room set up? How was Stephan’s room set up after he moved out?

JS: Pretty much the same. The bed was in the same location, the TV—the TV, the dresser, the desk, and the mini fridge. Everything stayed in the same location.

MM: Okay. Was the bed—did it have comforter, blankets, and all that stuff on it? Or?

JS: Uh, when he moved out, everything was empty. There was a mattress protector cover on it. Mhm. Um, but I had clean sheets and clean blankets to put on—they’re available, so..

MM: Where were they available?

JS: In the closet.

MM: Okay.

JS: Um, and I—I did, yeah, I let him know they were there.

MM: Do you know if he made the bed?

JS: I don’t know. I'm going to assume he did., but I don't know.

MM: What did the blankets look like that would be used to make that bed?

JS: They would be white—white cotton, um, linen sheets with—they’re white, but they’re white stripes—different shades of white. So white stripes going down it. Um, that was a fitted cover, then a sheet, and then the pillowcases. And it should have been, like, a warm blanket in the closet somewhere—the same color, white, or

JS: Maybe gray.

MM: Okay. When you say there’s pillowcases, how many pillows were on the bed?

JS: I’m not sure. I know that we had taken things out of that room before—I don’t know if we used those pillows. Not sure what pillows were up there.

MM: Okay. Did you ever go into the room after you discovered that she was missing? Did you go upstairs to that bedroom?

JS: No.

MM: Okay. So when you go to sleep in your room, and you’re either with Maddie or without Maddie or with Stephan, is your door open, closed, lights on, lights off?

JS: When I go to sleep?

MM: Mhm.

JS: Um, so I have a cat. I can’t shut the door—I have to leave it cracked. So it stays cracked, um, with a little—like, a little, like, door stopper behind it, so it doesn’t open all the way 'cause my cat will just knock it over. Um, yeah, but we sleep with the door cracked.

MM: Okay, lights on, lights off?

JS: Uh, lights off, with a YouTube video playing in the background—making, playing rain sounds.

MM: Okay. Would that—would the screen be illuminated, or is it something like a screen on a phone where the screen goes black and it still plays?

JS: It goes black, yeah, still plays.

MM: Do you remember if that night you were listening to those YouTube videos?

JS: I probably was. I listen to it every night, so I probably was.

MM: Does it shut off automatically?

JS: Um, around like 4 or 5 a.m., but then I’ll—I’ll notice, and I’ll press play again.

MM: Okay. Is it fair to say that you’re easily woken up, or no? By sounds like that?

JS:  Nor sure, I’m easily woken up. I don’t know. (barely audible)

MM: Okay. Now, this purpose of you telling—or having Maddie sleep with Stephan upstairs is 'cause you told me before that you needed a good night’s sleep. If you needed this kind of sleep previously when Stephan wasn’t there, what would happen?

JS: You mean if Stephan wasn’t there and I needed this good night’s sleep?

MM: Mhm.

JS: Um, depends. Um, if I had missed my meds the way I missed them at night, and I wasn’t feeling—or I was feeling just how I was feeling, I’m not sure if I would have had her sleep—with her sleeping with me on the other side of the bed, or if I would have sent her upstairs to the guest room. But, um, she sleeps like a monkey. She sleeps—she rolls—she’ll start at one end of the bed and end up on top of me by the end of the night. And (sigh) she’s a gymnast, I guess (sigh) But um—

MM: Have you ever sent her upstairs to sleep?

JS: No, not like—not for any of these reasons.

MM: Have you ever sent her upstairs to sleep by herself.

JS: Alone?

MM: Mhm.

JS: No.

MM: Okay.

MB: I’m going to need to wrap this up.

MM:  Okay, one more question. Does anybody use your phone other than you?

JS: Uh, no. Except for the day that we were sitting in front of my house and, um, forensics was in the house. That was the only time I’ve ever, ever let anyone use my phone, and that was Stephan. Stephan had my phone.

MM: What about—do you wear an Apple Watch?

JS: Yes.

MM: Does it track any of your movements or anything like that that you
know of? Do you sleep with your watch on?

JS: No, I hardly ever put it on honestly

MM: Okay alright I don't have anything else

WJ: Do you have anything real quick, Danielle?

DANIELLE: No

WJ: Do you have anything that you think we should know Matt-- Matthews?

MB: Unfortunately no

WJ: Okay good down there?

Unknown person: Yeah I'm good

WJ: Alright it's 10:06 a.m. we will conclude this Investigative Subpoena interview with uh, you, Miss Soto

JS: Thank you

WJ: I'm sorry

04-18-2024 Jennifer Soto Investigative Subpoena Audio Transcript

Audio Links:

The Docket
https://www.youtube.com/live/Q9QBwGvZOKc?si=E7sYYE2NIKBJM2Eq

Plunder
https://youtu.be/gySuV_3iH8g?si=14XE9YlRskMp1S7R

GHI (Audio only, no commentary)
https://youtu.be/i6tC7G2emrI?si=yNYmAAx8RzJBSWyB

Grizzly True Crime
https://www.youtube.com/live/WyQSg5zo0vQ?si=dP-sjThofENEzqEs

Grizzly True Crime (Audio only, no commentary)
https://youtu.be/7XHSzyvAbro?si=u5vLygYXkDiyyyTr

Old Link with errors
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