abe vs josh

Abe’s 1st response was alright. Composite Superman’s physicals being equal to Modern Sonic’s was iffy at best; making such claim and just linking the scans without explaining what makes X and Y events good doesn’t really hold up. Youpi and Damage’s physicals stand up better just by virtue of the feats being... actually better and cleaner. Up to Josh to crack his knuckles and debunk these (somewhat weak) arguments successfully now.

And so he does (mostly)

All the math aside - which gives us a good ballpark I guess, but doesn’t really guarantees a victory - Josh succeeds. With the physicals established once more, and the stamina and mobility arguments properly countered, Josh has the advantage.

And that way it remains, given that Abe’s 2nd response is nothing but an OOT request and more on the stamina and mobility arguments. There are a LOT of better things to focus on in a 2nd response than on stamina and mobility; these alone won’t win you any battle.
Furthermore, when it comes to Sonic and debating each of his stats and attributes, Josh has the clear advantage.

Josh’s 2nd response, counter-counterargument to the stamina and mobility claims; somewhat irrelevant as a whole but, again, this whole thing going in favor of Josh.

Abe’s 3rd response. More stamina, more mobility arguments. No actual arguments establishing his characters’ dubious physicals; nothing whatsoever about how his characters would win this fight; zip, nada.

2/3rds of this debate focused solely on Sonic. By the end I’m just thinking “ok Sonic is good...  and Abe’s team doesn’t exist”.
The mediocre arguments used in Abe’s 1st response are most certainly not nearly enough to give him the win against Sonic’s established (and quantified) physicals and MOBILITY AND STAMINA.

Josh wins.

OOT requests:

None of them are out of tier.

Sonic wasn’t given any feats extraordinary enough to suggest that he would mog the Tier-Setter.

Youpi’s feat seems fine as well. HxH’s art is just kinda messy, the feat isn’t him opening a clean crater of that size (which seems to be Josh’s interpretation); it’s him collapsing the solid floor he’s on and, collaterally, crumbling the building, with a 2-arms full-body swing. Ok for the Tier-Setter.