The Great Prescription Skip Debate [Chap. 1 - Discovery]

The Great Prescription Skip Debate
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Chapter 1 - Discovery:	http://pastebin.com/uxWcRhka
Chapter 2 - It Begins:	http://pastebin.com/wRsNmmhP
Chapter 3 - Analysis:	http://pastebin.com/iuStxa0J
Chapter 4 - Challenger:	http://pastebin.com/AuNF3GhC
Chapter 5 - Ideas: 	http://pastebin.com/7SaRZAvA
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[15:23] <Jarvitz> so i went from rboekn sword to eyeball frog
[17:50] <Jarvitz> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332#
[17:52] <+Tompa> Interesting, Jar
[17:53] <@ZFG> wtf
[17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> that trick by jarvitz makes so little sense
[17:54] <@ZFG> the frog tunic
[17:54] <+Runnerguy2489> frog tunic!!!
[17:55] <%mzxrules> also THE FUCK prescription skip?
[17:57] <@ZFG> sock needs to get on prescription skip
[17:58] <@ZFG> i doubt ut has anything to do with having broken sword so if this doesnt require rba, this could save time in 100%
[17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm gonna guess it has something do to do with false eyedrops somehow
[17:59] <qwerty1605> ya
[17:59] <+Runnerguy2489> but who knows it's oot
[17:59] <qwerty1605> probably something to do with false eyedrops
[18:00] <@ZFG> hm probably
[18:01] <Jarvitz> hmm
[18:06] <%mzxrules> where's jarv's video
[18:06] <+Tompa> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332#
[18:06] <%mzxrules> for full run?
[18:06] <+Tompa> Oh...
[18:07] <%mzxrules> probably defrosted yes?
[18:08] <+Runnerguy2489> http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331630841
[18:10] <+Runnerguy2489> wasn't defrosted...camera trick was used
[18:13] <Jarvitz> unfreeze trick
[18:16] <Enterim> What's this a run of?
[18:17] <%mzxrules> puzzle race i guess
[18:17] <Enterim> oh I see
[18:17] <Jarvitz> yeah
[18:17] <Jarvitz> puzzle race
[18:18] <Jarvitz> and i have no idea why that happened
[18:18] <Jarvitz> but w/e
[18:21] <%mzxrules> wait what does bomb bag do when on C right?
[18:22] <+Runnerguy2489> it links to water temple keys
[18:23] <%mzxrules> i mean if you use it as an item
[18:23] <+Runnerguy2489> you pull out eyedrops and it says, "can't use this item here"
[18:23] <%mzxrules> so jarv coulda used that as well
[18:23] <%mzxrules> lol
[18:24] <Jarvitz> i didnt know
[18:24] <Jarvitz> lol
[18:24] <Koobes> its eyedrops
[18:24] <+Runnerguy2489> ?
[18:24] <Koobes> if used as an item its eyedrops
[18:39] <%mzxrules> odd
[18:39] <%mzxrules> you can interupt getting the zora tunic
[18:39] <%mzxrules> king zora, y u so goofy
[18:42] <%mzxrules> i think i discovered a new glitch
[18:43] <+TestRunner> oh?
[18:43] <Abahbob> oh rly now
[18:43] <%mzxrules> useless atm
[18:43] <%mzxrules> and not 100% confirmed, but you can walk around before obtaining zora armor
[18:43] <Exodus> collection delay?
[18:44] <Exodus> ah i didnt know it worked there
[18:45] <%mzxrules> imma double check it
[18:45] <%mzxrules> using cheats to reset king zora's text
[18:47] <%mzxrules> OH SHIT
[18:47] <%mzxrules> i did it
[18:47] <+TestRunner> pretty cool
[18:47] <Exodus> collection delay on gettng frog from him is not cool though. you lose the frog forever
[18:47] <Exodus> i didnt try leaving the area though
[18:48] <%mzxrules> i got the prescription frogs
[18:48] <%mzxrules> in the collection delay
[18:48] <Exodus> prescription frogs?
[18:48] <%mzxrules> OK
[18:49] <%mzxrules> what I did was
[18:49] <%mzxrules> take out hookshot, hold Z
[18:50] <Enterim> Puzzle races are the best time to find new tricks
[18:51] <+Runnerguy2489> so what did you have mzx?
[18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> wait so you can do it without rba? just collection delay?
[18:53] <%mzxrules> yes
[18:53] <%mzxrules> i think
[18:53] <%mzxrules> double check dis shit
[18:53] <+Runnerguy2489> um holy shit that'd be amazing
[18:53] <%mzxrules> so far i got it with hookshot
[18:54] <Exodus> ive never heard of hookshot being used in colelction delay
[18:54] <%mzxrules> it's weird, because you can MOVE
[18:54] <%mzxrules> but i didn't have to do that
[18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> .summon sockfolder
[18:54] <%sockfolder> hey
[18:54] <+Runnerguy2489> it worked!
[18:54] <%sockfolder> I got summoned
[18:54] <Exodus> yay
[18:54] <Exodus> lol
[18:55] <stonenot> did you have your White Summon Stone down
[18:55] <%mzxrules> please tell me that was a script
[18:55] <+Runnerguy2489> sockfolder: http://www.twitch.tv/jarvitz/b/331650332
[18:55] <%sockfolder> lol
[18:56] <%mzxrules> i figured out how to do it with a hookshot
[18:58] <@Cosmo> oot is a funny game Lol
[18:58] <%sockfolder> lol
[18:58] <%sockfolder> huh
[18:58] <Abahbob> cosmo, you see my PG skip vid?
[18:58] <@Cosmo> oh yea
[18:58] <@Cosmo> nice work
[18:59] <Abahbob> just checkin cuz you asked for it
[18:59] <+Tompa> There still hasn't been any succesfull PG skips on console, right?
[18:59] <@Cosmo> do the keese wait longer to come the first time ?
[18:59] <@Cosmo> or do they come always at 1 minute
[18:59] <Abahbob> seems to be 1 minute
[18:59] <Abahbob> idk though
[19:00] <%mzxrules> oh shit
[19:00] <%mzxrules> i can't do it consistenly
[19:01] <+Runnerguy2489> what are you doing? with the hookshot
[19:01] <%mzxrules> yea
[19:01] <%sockfolder> can someone link the puzzle
[19:01] <%sockfolder> I missed this
[19:01] <+Tompa> http://imgur.com/x9chL
[19:03] <+Tompa> Demon: Lol, I managed to see the run before you unlisted it ;)
[19:04] <Abahbob> lol
[19:04] <%mzxrules> hrm
[19:04] <%mzxrules> now this
[19:04] <%mzxrules> is interesting
[19:04] <%mzxrules> fuck
[19:05] <%mzxrules> ok get this
[19:05] <%mzxrules> you need a trade item to do it
[19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> any trade item?
[19:06] <%mzxrules> seems that way so far
[19:06] <+Runnerguy2489> interesting
[19:07] <%sockfolder> so what is your method so far
[19:07] <%mzxrules> put Hookshot on C-Down (probably not specifically that button), when the dialog closes press A and C-Down, aim up a little, hold Z
[19:08] <Warp> Is there an easy way to practice the superslide to the mirror shield, or do i have to complete the spirit hover each time?
[19:08] <%sockfolder> fw
[19:08] <@maxx> easier way: go into the spirit temple where the gauntlet chest is, then come out
[19:08] <@maxx> after each superslide attempt, kill yourself
[19:08] <+Runnerguy2489> what dialog closes?
[19:08] <Warp> ah ok
[19:08] <@maxx> select Yes to continue
[19:08] <%mzxrules> the one that says Tunic
[19:09] <@maxx> and you will respawn near the gaunts chest
[19:09] <+Runnerguy2489> ah ok
[19:09] <Warp> last time i tried that i just did s&q and had to re-do the whole run to get there again
[19:09] <Warp> thanks :P
[19:09] <@maxx> np
[19:09] <@maxx> it's even useful in runs/races if you're inconsistent at the hoverslide
[19:09] <@maxx> just in case
[19:11] <Warp> if i choose not to save it still puts me there with all my bombs right?
[19:11] <@maxx> yep
[19:11] <@maxx> well, all the bombs you had when you died
[19:11] <Warp> awesome tyvm
[19:11] <@maxx> not as many as you had when you first came out
[19:11] <@maxx> if you used a bunch to die they will be gone
[19:11] <@maxx> use ocarina damage buffering to use fewer bombs to kill yourself
[19:12] <@maxx> also leevers work
[19:12] <@maxx> just don't enter the spirit temple
[19:12] <%mzxrules> =O
[19:12] <%mzxrules> grab wtf
[19:12] <@maxx> the A button always says weird shit right before you get items like that
[19:13] <@maxx> like it always says Open at the gerudo archery even if you didn't do ass chest
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> I can confirm what mzx is saying
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> this...is...amazing
[19:14] <@maxx> what did he do
[19:14] <%mzxrules> i discovered a method for prescription skip
[19:14] <+Runnerguy2489> it completely, COMPLETELY changes 100%
[19:14] <@maxx> oh rad
[19:15] <@maxx> eyeball frog without... any trade items?
[19:15] <%sockfolder> I'll work on this later
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> in this file I had...I went from cojiro to eyeball frog lool
[19:15] <%sockfolder> can't right now though
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maxx: apparently you must have at least 1 trade item
[19:15] <+Runnerguy2489> maybe a bottle in that slot too idk
[19:15] <@maxx> so how does that wrong warp from fire to credits work again
[19:15] <@maxx> mst here i come
[19:15] <@maxx> huhu
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> this means...holy shit 100%, I can't wait to think about rerouting this
[19:16] <%sockfolder> but you did need a trade item?
[19:16] <@Cosmo> lol
[19:16] <@Cosmo> poodle and I were talking
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> that's what mzx said sockfolder
[19:16] <@Cosmo> and we think RBA/BA should be unbanned from MST
[19:16] <%sockfolder> omg
[19:16] <@maxx> really
[19:16] <+Runnerguy2489> I've always thought that cosmo, so no complaints here
[19:16] <@maxx> that surprises me
[19:16] <@maxx> that he would agree to that
[19:16] <%sockfolder> really cosmo? I thought you were against it
[19:16] <Enterim> this is mad
[19:17] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, imma test bottle
[19:17] <+Runnerguy2489> ok cool
[19:17] <@maxx> mst with RBA is so complicated to route
[19:17] <@maxx> but i guess for starters, BA hammer off LACS is strong
[19:18] <@maxx> that could be the first thing incorporated
[19:18] <@Cosmo> poodle doesnt think it can save time , I think it might save time but route is hard to think opf
[19:18] <@maxx> i think
[19:18] <Enterim> I thought RBA was kind of crippled because of it deleting the light medallion
[19:18] <%mzxrules> pain in the ass to pull off
[19:18] <@maxx> don't rba medallions Enterim
[19:18] <%mzxrules> and if you goof, you can't redo easy
[19:19] <@maxx> Cosmo: i tried to make a super crazy route with like
[19:19] <%mzxrules> haha bottle works
[19:19] <@maxx> wrong warp from deku to bongo
[19:19] <+Runnerguy2489> that doesn't really surprise me
[19:19] <@maxx> and other crazy shit
[19:19] <@maxx> but it's super hard to route
[19:19] <@maxx> if hammer BA doesn't save time though i will eat a shoe
[19:19] <%mzxrules> can you rba bottle into adult trade item slot?
[19:20] <@maxx> yes
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> yep
[19:20] <@maxx> green potion iirc
[19:20] <Exodus> yeah green pot
[19:20] <%mzxrules> fuck yea
[19:20] <%mzxrules> double check that on console if you want
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> I believe you
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> and it makes sense
[19:20] <Exodus> sorry what exactly do you do with the hookshot?
[19:20] <+Runnerguy2489> not that...collection delay makes a lot of sense for eyeball frog but whatever lol
[19:20] <%mzxrules> aim up so that you can z-target king zora
[19:20] <Exodus> ah
[19:21] <%mzxrules> idfk why it works sometimes and doesn't others
[19:21] <%mzxrules> but that way is really consistent
[19:21] <@Cosmo> you should try using spells
[19:21] <@Cosmo> lol
[19:21] <Exodus> bombs too
[19:22] <Samura1man> wait
[19:22] <Samura1man> how to get eyeball frog early?
[19:23] <Exodus> but jarvitz didnt do colelction delay did he?
[19:23] <+Runnerguy2489> I think he could have by accident
[19:24] <Shredwot> too bad his highlight of the glitch doesn't show what he did before hand
[19:25] <%sockfolder> you can look at the video
[19:25] <%mzxrules> someone play around with this though
[19:25] <%mzxrules> perhaps there's another way to get it without hookshot
[19:25] <%sockfolder> feels like the golden scale as child glitch
[19:25] <Exodus> oh yeah
[19:25] <%mzxrules> oh fuck
[19:26] <%mzxrules> wait that probably wouldn't work
[19:26] <Samura1man> I'm confused
[19:26] <Exodus> yeah lets mess around withcollection delay in pond
[19:26] <%mzxrules> howso?
[19:26] <%mzxrules> Samura?
[19:27] <Abahbob> camera lock + telescope in water is hilarious. love tww
[19:27] <+Runnerguy2489> I'm streaming it, trying different things
[19:27] <Samura1man> eyeball frog
[19:27] <Samura1man> how to get it early
[19:29] <Exodus> oh my god it worked mzx nice
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> lol
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> just hold R
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> during text
[19:30] <+Runnerguy2489> and it works!!!
[19:30] <Exodus> holy shit
[19:30] <+pheenoh> zfg
[19:30] <Exodus> yes
[19:30] <+pheenoh> #route
[19:30] <Samura1man> Why we broke this game more and MORE
[19:30] <@maxx> what
[19:31] <@maxx> hold R during kz text to get eyeball frog???
[19:31] <Exodus> it just like gold scale... wait thats holding z.... WTF
[19:31] <@maxx> wtf
[19:31] <@maxx> hahaha
[19:31] <@maxx> oot owns
[19:31] <@Cosmo> roglman
[19:31] <Exodus> WHY
[19:31] <Samura1man> LOL
[19:31] <+pheenoh> this game... hahaha
[19:31] <Samura1man> golden scale is target
[19:31] <Samura1man> eyeball frog is shield
[19:31] <r0bd0g> what's going on :S
[19:31] <Samura1man> this game doesn't make sense since 2006
[19:32] <Exodus> this is so cool
[19:32] <+pheenoh> this means we don't have to go out the way for odd mush either
[19:33] <+pheenoh> so good
[19:33] <r0bd0g> you don't have to worry about the poacher's saw glitch uh, that might make you want to do more stuff in adult 1 yeah?
[19:33] <Exodus> i seriously cannot believe this.
[19:33] <@maxx> lol does this skip the poacher's saw glitch
[19:33] <r0bd0g> I was thinking you could go to spirit as adult now that you don't need the broken sword on the way there
[19:34] <@maxx> if you skip past saw can you get deku nut upgrade forever
[19:34] <@maxx> haha
[19:34] <r0bd0g> IDK if that's faster... yeah I mean you'd think it would skip the poacher's saw glitch
[19:34] <r0bd0g> what exactly is it is there a video?
[19:34] <%mzxrules> imma make a video
[19:34] <%mzxrules> will take 10 years at this rate
[19:36] <r0bd0g> you might have serenade now in child 2
[19:36] <r0bd0g> idk the whole thing's gonna change :p
[19:36] <Exodus> doesnt work with anju for cojiro early :(
[19:36] <r0bd0g> how does it work?
[19:37] <@maxx> how have none of us ever been holding R during that text in the last 10 years
[19:37] <Samura1man> ^
[19:37] <Exodus> maybe theres another trigger
[19:37] <Samura1man> I wonder how many glitches are still hiding in this game
[19:37] <Exodus> like unfreeze with the glitch
[19:37] <Exodus> did we all do that to unfreeze
[19:38] <Kosmicd12> wait
[19:38] <Kosmicd12> you get the frog even w/o the other trade items?
[19:38] <Exodus> yeah kosmic
[19:38] <r0bd0g> and you talk to him again to get the tunic?
[19:38] <Exodus> no you cant get tunic from him
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> prescription is a bit broken in bingo?
[19:39] <r0bd0g> lol it will revert won't it
[19:39] <Samura1man> maybe it's better with Claim Check?
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> what does it revert to
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> lol claim check
[19:39] <Samura1man> no need to do the whole quest to bgs
[19:39] <r0bd0g> if you fail to deliver the frog you'll get prescription
[19:39] <Samura1man> damn
[19:39] <Kosmicd12> hahaha
[19:39] <%mzxrules> runnerguy, the R method requires a shield
[19:39] <Samura1man> !!
[19:40] <@maxx> lol
[19:40] <@maxx> yeah and who ever has one of those, mzxrules ???
[19:40] <%mzxrules> just saiyen
[19:40] <Exodus> few puzzle races
[19:40] <Jarvitz> uhh
[19:40] <@maxx> shield saves time in like every room in the game in every category
[19:41] <@maxx> it's pretty good i hear
[19:41] <Kosmicd12> 100% will buy both tunics now lol
[19:41] <Jarvitz> I cant believe i found something useful...
[19:41] <Abahbob> gratz
[19:41] <r0bd0g> that's a lot of rupees lol
[19:41] <Exodus> yeah gj to you guys
[19:41] <Samura1man> GJ Jarvitz lol
[19:41] <@maxx> tunic is like 300 right
[19:41] <Jarvitz> how was this not found before?
[19:41] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:42] <Samura1man> finding glitches by accident!
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> ur good at holding R gj lol
[19:42] <r0bd0g> tunic is 300
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> king zora is really messed up
[19:42] <Jarvitz> yo.
[19:42] <Jarvitz> im the best
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> yeah lol
[19:42] <Kosmicd12> unfreezes randomly, hands out frogs
[19:42] <Jarvitz> rofl
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> KZ more broken than bottles
[19:42] <Mr_Carter> ;)
[19:42] <Exodus> go through him while unfreezing
[19:42] <Exodus> 3 crazy kz glitches
[19:42] <Jarvitz> does my stream show me holding r?
[19:42] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:43] <r0bd0g> you'll have to get the giant's wallet before you go up there so IDK still about going up there in adult 1 to have serenade for adult 2 -- it's also a little bad that you can't plant the bean in zr soo...
[19:43] <Jarvitz> so anything in adult trade item = eyeball frog?
[19:43] <r0bd0g> child 2*
[19:43] <Jarvitz> the ba or bomb bag didnt matter?
[19:43] <Kosmicd12> green potion + prescription row, FIND IT
[19:43] <Jarvitz> so like 4 bks is really easy now
[19:43] <Samura1man> lol Kosmix
[19:43] <Samura1man> Kosmic
[19:44] <%mzxrules> got a video set up
[19:44] <Jarvitz> claim check too
[19:44] <Kosmicd12> did people try other npcs
[19:44] <Jarvitz> and boss keys, maps
[19:44] <Exodus> i already tried "anju" with no success
[19:45] <Kosmicd12> lets make biggoron sword a goal now
[19:45] <Jarvitz> so how was this not found before?
[19:45] <Jarvitz> and how did you find out it was hold r? ive been busy
[19:45] <Exodus> mzx and rg testing
[19:47] <Enterim> Golden Scale early redux
[19:49] <+pheenoh> where is zfg
[19:49] <Samura1man> .zfg
[19:49] <Enterim> -_-
[19:50] <@ZFG> hi what
[19:50] <@ZFG> was the frog thing figured out
[19:50] <Kosmicd12> yes this game is messed up
[19:50] <thunderio> does the new trick work in oot3d?
[19:50] <Exodus> hold r during text for frog
[19:50] <@ZFG> tell me something new
[19:50] <Exodus> zfg
[19:50] <@ZFG> wow
[19:50] <benstephens1000> New trick?
[19:50] <Kosmicd12> u can skip adult trade
[19:50] <benstephens1000> OOT3D?
[19:50] <benstephens1000> What si this?
[19:50] <benstephens1000> I must know?
[19:51] <benstephens1000> Skip adult trade? How so?
[19:51] <benstephens1000> I will test on OoT3D
[19:51] <Kosmicd12> wait
[19:51] <Kosmicd12> what if you can get quiver 50 with 1000 lulz
[19:52] <Exodus> yeah go try stuff. im trying biggoron
[19:52] <Exodus> im thinking right now its probably kz only
[19:52] <Samura1man> someone try poacher saw
[19:52] <Exodus> but worth a try
[19:53] <Samura1man> everything is worth a try
[19:53] <Jarvitz> it seems kz only
[19:53] <@maxx> talk to carpenter as child and hold R to get bgs
[19:53] <@maxx> imo
[19:53] <Exodus> the npc changes so i doubt it samura
[19:53] <Jarvitz> lol
[19:53] <Jarvitz> im great
[19:53] <Samura1man> just try
[19:53] <%mzxrules> uploading video soon
[19:53] <Samura1man> if you don't try, you might miss something amazing glitch
[19:54] <%mzxrules> it might be something that only affects characters that award multiple items
[19:54] <Kosmicd12> who tested holding R lol
[19:54] <tnud> Wait whaaat
[19:54] <Exodus> doesnt work with biggoron
[19:54] <%mzxrules> runnerguy did
[19:54] <Exodus> i tried both things you giv to him
[19:55] <Exodus> sword and eyedrops
[19:55] <%mzxrules> exo, you got a shield on you?
[19:55] <Exodus> yeah
[19:55] <Kosmicd12> guys da masks ~
[19:55] <%mzxrules> can you do collection delay?
[19:55] <Exodus> yeah of course
[19:55] <Exodus> you can collection delaye on every single trade item recieved as far as i know
[19:56] <Exodus> oh actually not inside houses
[19:56] <Exodus> i think
[19:57] <@maxx> can you WT BK skip with hammer on B
[19:57] <@maxx> lol
[19:57] <@maxx> don't mock me
[19:57] <+cafde> pretty sure you can
[19:57] <@maxx> rad
[19:57] <@maxx> how useful is hammer on morpha
[19:57] <%mzxrules> hrm
[19:57] <%mzxrules> do more research
[19:58] <%mzxrules> or write a zsr page on eet
[19:58] <%mzxrules> =D
[19:58] <+cafde> you have to use default damage
[19:58] <+cafde> so not good
[19:58] <@maxx> poop
[19:58] <@maxx> but thx for info
[19:58] <%mzxrules> guys one thing
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> okay so
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> do i jjust hold R and talk
[19:58] <Samura1man> yes
[19:58] <Kosmicd12> k ill try
[19:58] <%mzxrules> talk, then hold R
[19:59] <%mzxrules> doesn't matter
[19:59] <Samura1man> you have something adult trade slot?
[19:59] <%mzxrules> at least for king zora
[19:59] <Exodus> you only have to hold r when you press a or b to cancel the last text box
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> y did he give me the tunic lol
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> i have cojiro
[19:59] <Kosmicd12> guys get milk from adult talon
[20:00] <+cafde> is it for sure that this gets around deku nut upgrade problem?
[20:00] <@maxx> what versions are you guys using
[20:00] <@maxx> anyone who has successfully done it
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> i tried on vc but im going to try again
[20:01] <Exodus> odd. i can easily delay collection when recieving prescription but not when recieving claim check
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> it didnt work :(
[20:01] <Exodus> im on 1.0
[20:01] <Exodus> in b4 1.0 only
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> jarv 1.1
[20:01] <Exodus> oh
[20:01] <Kosmicd12> <1.2 only
[20:02] <Exodus> hold r when recieve bottle lol? ill try
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> child pocket cucco totally gonna happen
[20:03] <Samura1man> lol
[20:03] <Samura1man> colored gaunts RBAing as child
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> rebalance bronze gaunts gain
[20:03] <Kosmicd12> again*
[20:04] <Exodus> wouldnt be equipped tho =/
[20:04] <Kosmicd12> rba green potion?
[20:04] <+cafde> would give you strength though
[20:04] <Kosmicd12> like mush
[20:04] <Exodus> oh yeah
[20:07] <Kosmicd12> k im saved in ice cavern ima try again
[20:07] <Exodus> can you not show letter to kz if you have sapphire?
[20:07] <@ZFG> how 2 new trick http://pastebin.com/uSGUeWvF
[20:07] <Samura1man> LOL
[20:07] <Abahbob> best paste
[20:07] <Exodus> lol
[20:07] <%mzxrules> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGr-WpZBOs
[20:08] <Enterim> zfg: please simplify
[20:08] <stonenot> gay
[20:08] <Enterim> I don't get all these acronyms
[20:08] <Enterim> what's "HOLD"
[20:08] <Kosmicd12> ya its not working for me
[20:08] <Kosmicd12> whats hte hookshot way
[20:09] <Exodus> what thats weird kosmic
[20:09] <Kosmicd12> im holding R before text is that bad
[20:09] <Exodus> also why cant you show kz letter with sapphire.....
[20:09] <Exodus> its not working
[20:10] <Exodus> i  guess since his text changes
[20:10] <@maxx> yeah if you have sapphire you can't move kz
[20:10] <%mzxrules> kosmic, do you have a shield?
[20:10] <@maxx> ask cosmo how he did in kazooie's puzzle race
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> yesi  do
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> it doesnt work on VC D: lol
[20:10] <%mzxrules> did you move king zora?
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> yes
[20:10] <Kosmicd12> oh maybe thats it
[20:10] <%mzxrules> oh fuck
[20:10] <Exodus> yes
[20:10] <Samura1man> lol
[20:11] <%mzxrules> this glitch is just like shit
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> was this all ready known or what lol
[20:11] <Samura1man> tiny things
[20:11] <%mzxrules> it's known that there's a lot of weirdness to it
[20:11] <+cafde> i just did it with king zora moved
[20:11] <%mzxrules> like, with my hookshot method you have to angle for some reason
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> ur on n64
[20:11] <+cafde> (on 1.0)
[20:11] <Kosmicd12> omfg it doesnt work on vc lol
[20:11] <Abahbob> king zora is so fucked up
[20:12] <Kosmicd12> whats this hookshot method
[20:12] <%mzxrules> spam hookshot when tunic dialog ends, aim up (maybe aim toward king zora's face) Z
[20:12] <@maxx> mother fucker
[20:12] <%mzxrules> when you press Z you'll collect
[20:12] <Exodus> or a worked for me
[20:13] <Kosmicd12> k ima get my stream up
[20:14] <Kosmicd12> http://www.twitch.tv/kosmicd12#
[20:15] <@maxx> are you allowed to skip dorf in mst
[20:15] <Exodus> he probably cant move for it to work. i doubt its due to vc
[20:15] <Samura1man> I should test this on GC
[20:16] <Samura1man> but I'm lazy
[20:16] <Samura1man> nvm, I'll test
[20:16] <+cafde> tried n64 1.2 and it didn't work
[20:16] <Exodus> :O
[20:16] <+cafde> at least not the hold R method
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> cafde said it worked w/ moved
[20:16] <Exodus> oh
[20:16] <Exodus> is cafde n64?
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:16] <+cafde> yeah
[20:16] <+cafde> it works with him moved
[20:16] <Kosmicd12> so for hookshot method i just mash hookshot button? should i hold Z?
[20:17] <Exodus> just mash hookshot
[20:17] <Exodus> no z
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> k
[20:17] <r0bd0g> if this doesn't work on 1.2 it's about the lamest thing I've ever heard
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> is it 1 frame
[20:17] <Samura1man> I have file for this, yes
[20:17] <+cafde> lol
[20:17] <Exodus> yeah 1 frame
[20:17] <+cafde> n64!
[20:17] <Kosmicd12> o i am bad :(
[20:17] <@maxx> are there any trials that would be hard to do with hammer on B
[20:18] <Kosmicd12> rg destined to be 100% wr holder
[20:18] <Exodus> lol
[20:18] <%mzxrules> kosmic, mash hookshot button, and when he pulls just stop
[20:19] <@maxx> nintendo discovered this glitch in 1998. when they fixed it in 1.2, somehow they added in drinking empty bottles
[20:19] <%mzxrules> well, over mashing won't hurt, you don't cancel the delay if you mash too much
[20:19] <Kosmicd12> ok
[20:19] <Kosmicd12> you said i need to aim up or something tho lol
[20:19] <+cafde> you can drink bottles in 1.0/1.1, it just doesn't restore health (for who knows what reason)
[20:19] <Exodus> after you are in 1st person
[20:20] <Exodus> really i didnt know it was 1.0/1.1 only
[20:21] <Kosmicd12> pretty sure this hookshot thing is <1.2 only too Kappa
[20:22] <r0bd0g> ugh this about the biggest version difference yet
[20:22] <Samura1man> if this works on GC, I won't never play on VC
[20:22] <+cafde> what's the hookshot method
[20:22] <Samura1man> lol
[20:22] <@maxx> i just wrote a dumb mst rba route (no stick b) 8D
[20:23] <r0bd0g> I could check gc IDK if I have a file though...
[20:23] <Kosmicd12> hookshot method doesnt work lol
[20:23] <Exodus> yeah how would you do team segmented on vc if its n64 only =/
[20:23] <@maxx> i will try playing it this week to see if i forgot anything
[20:23] <r0bd0g> well if it's doesn't work on vc then at the least they don't have to completely restart before of it...
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> i dont actually belive this hookshot thing is possible lol
[20:25] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in v1.0 heh
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> what
[20:25] <Exodus> have you ever done collection delay kosmic?
[20:25] <Kosmicd12> not in oot
[20:25] <Exodus> is colelction delay n64 only lol
[20:26] <%mzxrules> o
[20:26] <%mzxrules> it's looking like collection delay is 1.0 only
[20:26] <Kosmicd12> maybe i shou.ld hold R and mash hookshot lol
[20:26] <Kosmicd12> cant i pull out a bomb or something instead
[20:26] <%mzxrules> cosmic
[20:27] <%mzxrules> can you hear him pull the shield out?
[20:27] <Exodus> you can for collection delay idk if it will give you frog though
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> you mean w/ holding R method
[20:27] <Samura1man> R didn't work
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> mzxrules
[20:27] <Exodus> vc samura1?
[20:27] <Kosmicd12> gc
[20:27] <Exodus> oh
[20:27] <Samura1man> GC
[20:27] <Exodus> same thing
[20:27] <Exodus> :P
[20:28] <Samura1man> 1.2
[20:28] <Samura1man> I know
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> the voids beg to differ
[20:28] <Exodus> lol
[20:28] <%mzxrules> doesn't work in 1.2 then
[20:28] <%mzxrules> no collection delay
[20:28] <Exodus> lol funny
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> can i use a bomb or something
[20:28] <%mzxrules> possibly
[20:28] <Exodus> you can for colelction delay kosmic
[20:28] <Kosmicd12> ill try that
[20:28] <Exodus> that hasnt been tested to give frog thougb
[20:29] <Kosmicd12> didnt work
[20:29] <Exodus> its funny i actually just made a video of collection delay of adult trade items like yesterday
[20:29] <Exodus> then this is found today
[20:30] <%mzxrules> it's not working in 1.2
[20:30] <+cafde> jarvitz on 1.0 or 1.1?
[20:30] <%mzxrules> it's 100% patched
[20:30] <%mzxrules> on 1.2
[20:30] <Exodus> lmao
[20:30] <Enterim> so he's dq'd from the puzzle race for using version specific glitches
[20:31] <Enterim> retroactively
[20:31] <Exodus> lol
[20:31] <%mzxrules> lolol
[20:31] <%mzxrules> http://youtu.be/kzGr-WpZBOs
[20:31] <%mzxrules> but yea in that video you can hear navi yell when I get the the eyeball frog
[20:32] <%mzxrules> doesn't happen in 1.2
[20:32] <%mzxrules> wait scratch that
[20:32] <%mzxrules> idfk what i'm talk'n bout
[20:33] <Exodus> didnt we think kz unfreeze was 1.0 at first. i think wait for sockfolder to investigate X)
[20:33] <Kosmicd12> he doesnt make shield noise
[20:33] <Kosmicd12> when i try r method
[20:36] <%mzxrules> it is very obvious it can't be done in 1.2
[20:37] <Kosmicd12> somebody try 1.0 inject lol
[20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 there is a frame where the map comes up
[20:37] <%mzxrules> the UI appears very differently in 1.0 vs 1.2 as well
[20:37] <%mzxrules> in 1.0 the C buttons fade out
[20:37] <%mzxrules> but in 1.2 they fade in
[20:38] <%mzxrules> like night and day
[20:38] <Exodus> nice observation
[20:38] <Jarvitz> my cart is 1.1
[20:38] <Jarvitz> so it works there
[20:38] <Exodus> yep
[20:38] <Jarvitz> cafde 1.1
[20:38] <Kosmicd12> bingo impossible to balance now
[20:39] <Kosmicd12> 100% requires n64 lo
[20:39] <Kosmicd12> l
[20:39] <Enterim> that suuuucks
[20:39] <+Runnerguy2489> fucking justice if true
[20:39] <%mzxrules> it's true
[20:39] <+pokey> fucking all of you have to drive to each other's house switching carts
[20:39] <%mzxrules> i'm convinced collection delay doesn't work in 1.2
[20:39] <benstephens1000> Damn that sucks
[20:39] <Jarvitz> 1.2 n64 as well?
[20:40] <Kosmicd12> i have a 1.2 cart :o
[20:40] <Kosmicd12> ill see if i have a file
[20:40] <Jarvitz> 1.0 1.1 only
[20:40] <r0bd0g> ugh that's awful
[20:40] <Jarvitz> gj bingo
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> omg the file select
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> on n64
[20:41] <@maxx> it's slow as balls, right?
[20:41] <@maxx> takes like 18 seconds to open a file
[20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> lol
[20:41] <RME> the n64 is struggles
[20:41] <Enterim> just mail the cart around pokey
[20:41] <@maxx> but no classic controller text so there's that
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> pretty sure lag is longer than classiccontroller message
[20:41] <@maxx> Kosmicd12: go to botw
[20:41] <@maxx> on n64
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> lol
[20:41] <@maxx> just try to do like, botw chus
[20:41] <%AniMeowzerz> xd!
[20:41] <@maxx> that first skulltula is like
[20:41] <Kosmicd12> i did it once
[20:41] <@maxx> 50 seconds of lag
[20:42] <RME> Water temple
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> maybe thats why i had so much trouble learning it
[20:42] <RME> chug city
[20:42] <benstephens1000> XD
[20:42] <RME> on that entrance
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> oh my gosh
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> i have 1 file
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> and it hasnt dot skipped
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> what do i do
[20:42] <RME> natural route tim
[20:42] <RME> e
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> wait
[20:42] <Kosmicd12> i have the stones lol
[20:46] <Jarvitz> someone dq me from the puzzle race cuz i did a version specific trick
[20:46] <Jarvitz> lol
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> wtf
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> i just dot skipped on n64 first try lol
[20:47] <Kosmicd12> not so bad lol
[20:48] <@maxx> why would it be
[20:48] <@maxx> tot isn't laggy or anything
[20:49] <r0bd0g> oh uh I had an idea to get chest storage on the greatfish superswim and maybe you could just go up any old wall and pull the ww but when I got double storage (I think I got it anyway...) and opened the chest, I didn't get camera lock.... and then I saved with the chest open for some reason :/
[20:49] <%mzxrules> ok guys
[20:49] <%mzxrules> someone figure out how to Z-Target with hookshot out during collection delay
[20:50] <%mzxrules> got it to work once
[20:50] <Samura1man> 1.2?
[20:50] <%mzxrules> nah 1.0 stuffs
[20:50] <Exodus> well collection delay works differently on different npcs
[20:50] <%mzxrules> howso