[9:40:45 PM] <Parser> but yeah I'd say pure lucha guy who
[9:41:24 PM] <Parser> can't get a gladiator job because if you're not chromed up people don't consider you believable as a wrestler
[9:41:55 PM] <Parser> basically just take vince mcmahon's fetish for VASCULAR men and
[9:42:04 PM] <Parser> transpose it to chromed-up death machines
[9:42:36 PM] <Parser> and he's trying to keep his no-cyborgs promotion afloat with shadowrun money
[9:42:41 PM] <Parser> and it's like
[9:42:48 PM] <Parser> stereotypical shitty failing wrestling gym
[9:44:01 PM] <Parser> and the wrestling community has functionally blacklisted him because he stiffs the absolute shit out of people and nobody wants him as an out of town guy
[9:44:01 PM] <Spandau> See, I had him as part of some indy gig that does garbage wrestling so at some point I could try and get the rest of the party to help him track down the champ during a 24/7 title defense
[9:44:09 PM] <Parser> so he can only get roles in like
[9:44:14 PM] <Parser> shitty indie promotions, yeah
[9:44:19 PM] <Parser> and he hates it
[9:44:35 PM] <Parser> no even better spand because this way
[9:44:48 PM] <Parser> you can have him
[9:45:09 PM] <Parser> cut in on the cyber future WWE's 24/7 title defense as a complete no-name rando
[9:45:24 PM] <Parser> and basically mug a guy in a dark alley and demand he be recognized
[9:45:48 PM] <Parser> and piss off the entire company by ruining their script
[9:45:59 PM] <Spandau> the guy's getting a cheeseburger on camera and suddenly off a six story building
[9:45:59 PM] <Parser> because he doesn't acknowledge scripted wrestling it's for pussies
[9:46:16 PM] <Spandau> some asshole in a shark mask does a flying ellbow drop straight to his head
[9:46:29 PM] <Parser> gives him a possibly-lethal concussion and just
[9:46:32 PM] <Parser> sprints off with the belt
[9:46:48 PM] <Parser> and they find him six hours later in a standoff with the police
[9:47:05 PM] <Parser> I WON IT IT'S RIGHTFULLY MINE
[9:47:11 PM] <Parser> 24 HOUR TITLE MOTHERFUCKERS
[9:47:22 PM] <Parser> and the hostage negotiator is trying to explain to him that pro wrestling isn't real
[9:48:11 PM] <Parser> cuz I think the only actual gladiatorial death pits are in, again, mexico
[9:51:08 PM] <Parser> but yeah and instead of monster heel he's like
[9:51:29 PM] <Parser> an actual crazy person who attempts to flat out murder people in the ring
[9:51:35 PM] <Parser> and banned from most venues
[9:52:01 PM] <Parser> but this might be just
[9:52:44 PM] <Parser> me approaching shadowrun from the "all runners are some combination of crazy, poor, or homeless" standpoint
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[10:03:06 PM] <Spandau> anyway yeah, I figured any of the sideshit I write for him is stuff like "Okay so what AM I allowed to do to the other guy if I can't smash his head? Like, why is that sledgehammer under the ring otherwise?"
[10:03:55 PM] <Spandau> also debating on his mentor between either
[10:04:32 PM] <Parser> is his mentor also a crazy person or is he like
[10:04:32 PM] <Spandau> Troll Neptuneman or Hornswoggle, but a dwarf
[10:04:38 PM] <Parser> actually reasonable wrestling manager type
[10:04:55 PM] <Spandau> I was leaning reasonable manager type who's trying to get him adjusted to life outside Mexico
[10:04:59 PM] <Parser> cus Gnome-As-Meat could also work
[10:05:21 PM] <Parser> he loved wrestling
[10:05:24 PM] <Parser> but wrestling didn't love him
[10:05:26 PM] <Spandau> and his fixer is the promotion's owner because what's pro wrestling without some mafia involvement
[10:05:58 PM] <Parser> honestly my biggest suggestion is that the character himself be the owner and founder of the promotion
[10:06:18 PM] <Parser> because a small wrestling promotion is the perfect money pit and your loanshark getting on your ass is a perfect motivator to take risky jobs
[10:07:01 PM] <Spandau> I had him as using highlights from his runs as part of his promo reel
[10:07:09 PM] <Parser> plus you get the possibility of goons later
[10:07:17 PM] <Spandau> because I've done the math and he can reliably suplex a motorcycle in motion
[10:08:04 PM] <Parser> and like
[10:08:06 PM] <Spandau> oh right, and Shark mentor spirit so if he takes physical damage there's a possibility he just gets flashback to gladiator pits and goes apeshit
[10:08:46 PM] <Parser> fuck you I'mma start my own promotion with blackjack n hookers and he has literally two other people there
[10:09:17 PM] <Parser> like, being as detatched as possible from the reality of what pro wrestling actually is seems the ideal here
[10:09:24 PM] <Parser> like some kind of lunatic jim cornette
[10:09:55 PM] <Parser> so I guess just Inoki, really
[10:10:05 PM] <Spandau> admittedly, I was leaning Tiger Mask approach
[10:10:15 PM] <Parser> tiger mask also very strong
[10:10:27 PM] <Zerohex> Inoki might be a bad example since his company's the biggest pro wrestling org in Japan
[10:10:28 PM] <Spandau> where some shit's staged, but there's also legit matches and people with gimmicks
[10:10:40 PM] <Parser> yeah but he's also a crazy person
[10:10:46 PM] <Zerohex> That is actually what Inoki did when he left NJPW tho btw spand
[10:10:51 PM] <Spandau> and the mob uses the promotions to train legbreakers
[10:11:00 PM] <Zerohex> The Inoki Genome Federation did both worked matches and real MMA bouts
[10:11:09 PM] <Spandau> huh
[10:11:25 PM] <Zerohex> Sometimes wrestlers were in MMA and fighters were in worked matches
[10:11:33 PM] <Spandau> now it comes down to naming the promotion, whether it's his own or one he works for off and on
[10:11:36 PM] <Zerohex> And sometimes they kinda didn't specify which ones were shoots
[10:11:52 PM] <Parser> but yeah I'd say at the very least drop the "lose heel heat" angle and go full Tiger Den if you're gonna do tiger mask
[10:12:03 PM] <Parser> because a big part of what made OG tiger mask work was that he was
[10:12:08 PM] <Parser> still a tremendous heel