Ottomans, Airships, Aztech

2/5/15
[23:22] <Zaskille> >Airships take off (hue) isntead of boats
[23:22] <Zaskille> >Americas never discovered
[23:22] <DrBones> Wait, what?
[23:22] <DrBones> Oh, I get it
[23:22] <Zaskille> >Ottoman Empire conquers europe
[23:22] <DrBones> Because we don't NEED good trade currents
[23:23] <DrBones> There's no need to find a route to the Indies
[23:23] <Zaskille> Yeah
[23:23] <DrBones> And so there's no incentive to start the expedition to find the Americas.
[23:23] <Zaskille> And then nobody hits on those resources
[23:23] <Zaskille> So the Ottomans being the major superpower of the time conquer most of europe
[23:23] <DrBones> And the world runs out of resources sometime during the industrial revolution
[23:23] <Zaskille> And trade with china and then
[23:23] <Zaskille> Way later
[23:24] <Zaskille> Shit goes bad
[23:24] <Zaskille> Because no resources
[23:24] <Zaskille> And holy shit these faggot native tribes got their shit together and are forming civilizations
[23:24] <DrBones> Probably not.
[23:24] <Zaskille> So you have shit tier dystopian europe infighting over scarce resources
[23:24] <Broton> Depends on which tribes
[23:24] <Zerohex> they technically totally had civilizations
[23:25] <DrBones> Vast tracts of land and no inherent need to culturally evolve tends to stymie development
[23:25] <DrBones> Aztecs and the like, sure.
[23:25] <DrBones> But the Iroquois and Mustangs?
[23:25] <DrBones> Fuck them.
[23:25] <Broton> Well in north america
[23:25] <Zaskille> China's civilization falling to shit because hey guess what
[23:25] <Zaskille> No fucking silver
[23:25] <Broton> It's posited they were living in some indian mad max
[23:25] <Zaskille> Plus worthless paper money
[23:25] <Broton> world
[23:25] <Zaskille> Equals economic collapse
[23:25] <Zaskille> Armed insurrection
[23:26] <Zaskille> China no longer united and possibly being shit on by the mongols as usual
[23:26] <Zaskille> So
[23:26] <Zaskille> Basically
[23:26] <Zaskille> Eurasia is a shithole
[23:26] <Broton> Like some time before the end of the mississipian period it's though that they were slightly more cohesive in terms of more organized living areas for the indians as they had cross country trade
[23:26] <Zaskille> South america is a shithole
[23:27] <DrBones> Mongols weren't so much of a threat by the time the Renaissance rolled around.
[23:27] <Zaskille> And North America is like
[23:27] <Broton> you mean a Lllama cracy
[23:27] <Zaskille> Bones
[23:27] <DrBones> China'd be besieged by bandit tribes, though.
[23:27] <Zaskille> Keep in mind
[23:27] <Zaskille> China
[23:27] <Zaskille> Has basically no money they can trust
[23:27] <Broton> Also
[23:27] <Zaskille> They don't have silver rolling in from the south american mines owned by spanish
[23:27] <Broton> >Implying china can into strong leaders
[23:27] <Zaskille> Nobody wants to trade with the japs for theirs
[23:28] <Zaskille> And their paper money is essential worthless because mongol dynasty cannot into econ 101
[23:28] <Broton> I thought Mongols worked on a rape economy
[23:28] <DrBones> So how does this equate to a resurgence in Mongol activity?
[23:28] <Zaskille> Well
[23:28] <Spandez> And Japan's fucked since, well
[23:28] <Zaskille> It equates to soldiers not working anymore
[23:28] <Spandez> shit mineral resources thanks to the Ring of Fire.
[23:29] <DrBones> So it's less legit mongols
[23:29] <Zaskille> You know what happens whan soldiers stop working
[23:29] <DrBones> And more mass amounts of deserters
[23:29] <Zaskille> Bandits
[23:29] <Zaskille> Well yeah
[23:29] <Zaskille> And
[23:29] <Zaskille> Assholes coming in to pillage
[23:29] <DrBones> Probably crudely mimicking the Mongols.
[23:29] <Broton> So china breaks up and becomes seperate nation states?
[23:29] <Zaskille> because no guards
[23:29] <Zaskille> Well probably yeah
[23:29] <Broton> again
[23:29] <Broton> with generallisimos
[23:29] <DrBones> China moves back to the "amount of rice one man needs to eat for a year" currency system
[23:30] <Broton> Much like post dynastic china before Mao's commie revolution
[23:30] <Zaskille> And then europe is an ottoman-ruled shithole with not enough resources to go around
[23:30] <Zaskille> So they're fucked up
[23:30] <Broton> Do they still rush Africa
[23:30] <Broton> for dat dere minerals?
[23:30] <Zaskille> Probably not
[23:30] <Broton> why not?
[23:30] <Broton> They already got airships
[23:31] <Zaskille> Since the reason people were beating africa like a japanese whore
[23:31] <Broton> and its closer than going asia
[23:31] <Zaskille> Was because they wanted to get around africa
[23:31] <Zaskille> So they could get to china
[23:31] <Zaskille> Africa was
[23:31] <Zaskille> Secondary
[23:31] <Spandez> I think Africa would actually be
[23:31] <Zaskille> To that whole dynamic
[23:31] <Spandez> slightly better off than Eurasia.
[23:31] <Zaskille> Africa would be thesame shithole it always is
[23:31] <Spandez> I mean, assuming we've got some standing government.
[23:32] <Zaskille> Nothing changes in africa
[23:32] <Zaskille> History shows us this
[23:32] <Broton> Also which region?
[23:32] <Spandez> Fair enough.
[23:32] <Broton> Cus sub-saharan will always be shit
[23:32] <Spandez> MEANWHILE, IN CENTRAL AMERICA
[23:32] <Broton> Nothing happens
[23:32] <Zaskille> Well yeah fertile crescent
[23:32] <Zaskille> Is
[23:32] <Spandez> Aztecs are building actual farms and shit
[23:32] <Zaskille> Always going to be warred-over
[23:32] <Broton> You mean aztec expansion
[23:33] <Zaskille> And yeah Aztecs probably are like
[23:33] <Broton> Since they were really in the middle to lower end of mexico
[23:33] <Zaskille> moving more into like
[23:33] <Zaskille> Late dark ages
[23:33] <Zaskille> period civ?
[23:33] <Broton> and the mayans which are in central merca
[23:33] <Spandez> Yeah, something like that
[23:33] <Broton> have collasped
[23:33] <Zaskille> Yeah so
[23:33] <Broton> also With aztecs do they into metal?
[23:33] <Spandez> Wait, then where were the Inca?
[23:33] <Broton> or are they like Fabulous Japs
[23:33] <Zaskille> Aztecs can into metal
[23:33] <Zaskille> Well
[23:33] <Spandez> Metal's used for armor and submarines.
[23:33] <Broton> Incas are in peru and bolivia
[23:34] <Spandez> For weapons and shit they've got obsidian.
[23:34] <Zaskille> Aztecs have shit for metal so they mostly use stone yeah
[23:34] <Zaskille> Most of their metal is
[23:34] <Zaskille> Shit for weapons
[23:34] <Zaskille> Better for armor
[23:34] <Zaskille> Lots of
[23:34] <Zaskille> Soft, dense minerals
[23:34] <Broton> Plus the Arsenic copper is better for tools
[23:34] <Broton> than wasting it on weapons
[23:34] <Zaskille> that too
[23:34] <Zaskille> Inca
[23:34] <Broton> Unless they expand to an area which does provide iron
[23:34] <Zaskille> Don't really do anything
[23:35] <Broton> Incas become brown dwarves on llamas
[23:35] <Spandez> Inca breed alpacas, llamas, and guanacos
[23:35] <Broton> working in their silver mines
[23:35] <Zaskille> Pretty much
[23:35] <Spandez> they get angry if you mix them up
[23:35] <Zaskille> Incas don't do a whole hell of a lot because hue subsistence farming
[23:35] <Zaskille> hue living on mountains
[23:35] <Spandez> Also, I place a vote for El Dorado being
[23:36] <DrBones> A giant mecha
[23:36] <Spandez> a giant gold-plated solar death ray complex
[23:36] <Broton> Except for the part where they also did shit in the alteplano and those deserts
[23:36] <DrBones> The Golden Man
[23:36] <Broton> with the mummies
[23:36] <Zaskille> did they?
[23:36] <Broton> yeah
[23:36] <Zaskille> I thought that was Olmec
[23:36] <DrBones> Turns out the Mayinatecs figured out how to into electronics thanks to alla dat GOLD
[23:36] <Broton> They had trade routes extending into the coast
[23:36] <Zaskille> huh
[23:36] <Zaskille> so I guess yeah
[23:36] <Zaskille> Inca civs too
[23:36] <Broton> They weren't just stuck on the tip of the fucking mountains
[23:36] <Zaskille> So basically
[23:37] <Broton> fuck Machu Pichu I think was high up just cuz it was a bunker against the spanish
[23:37] <Zaskille> Europe very slightly more of a dystopian shithole, china probably collapses into a bunch of nation-states
[23:37] <Broton> Also they totally trade with the easter island people
[23:37] <Zaskille> Muslims still fighting
[23:37] <Broton> and have moai cannons
[23:38] <Spandez> Moai Missile Batteries, Moai Cannons
[23:38] <Spandez> The Inuit are being Inuit and fucking seals or whatever
[23:38] <Zaskille> and south america starting to enter their age of sail-equivalent
[23:38] <Zaskille> And north america
[23:38] <Broton> More hill people
[23:38] <Zaskille> Still basically more temperate africa
[23:38] <Spandez> North America, I'm imagining- yeah.
[23:38] <Zaskille> Because no horses
[23:39] <Spandez> Couple of settlements.
[23:39] <Zaskille> No rice.wheat
[23:39] <Broton> But what if the cavemen didn't murder the native horses or camels?
[23:39] <Spandez> ...Wait, were those protocamels still around?
[23:39] <Broton> and then the natives domesticated them
[23:39] <Zaskille> Historians say no
[23:39] <DrBones> What if the cavemen domesticated the Houhynhm?
[23:39] <Zaskille> But yeah
[23:39] <Zaskille> That's
[23:39] <Zerohex> hey bones should I make up shit for whatever we find on the guard's pockets
[23:39] <Zaskille> Already a MASSIVELY different setting
[23:51] <Spandez> So yeah, I say that in the absence of horses
[23:51] <Spandez> the injuns domesticate Bear Cavalry.
[23:51] <Zaskille> I can dig it
[23:52] <Zaskille> They'd probably get subjugated by the south americans tho
[23:52] <Zaskille> or the ottomans assuming the ottomans didn't hit up africa
[23:52] <Zaskille> Point is
[23:52] <Zaskille> The
[23:52] <Zaskille> Act of having airships as a thing
[23:52] <Zaskille> HAs
[23:52] <Zaskille> MAssive fucking remifications
[23:53] <Zaskille> ramifications
[23:53] <Zaskille> That
[23:53] <Zaskille> This guy is refusing to touch on
[23:53] <Zaskille> Like hell
[23:53] <DrBones> Ramifications as big as giving knowledge of modern medicine to the English.
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