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  1. 01/04/2017
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  3. <%Aerolite> = mod
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  5. [19:30] <excel> and a very different america would have effects on the rest of the world for sure
  6. [19:31] == none______ [~moon5@B35C2A13.86ADEBB.C57EDA13.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
  7. [19:31] == wiant [~gillings@Rizon-5447C96.claranet.co.uk] has left #4chan []
  8. [19:31] == holte [~crogan@08C0E2B.DEC412E.7149F39.IP] has joined #4chan
  9. [19:31] <paimun> i still think we'd be xenophobic as hell
  10. [19:32] <excel> true paimun
  11. [19:32] <paimun> it's not like we were a liberal utopia before 9/11
  12. [19:32] <paimun> don't get me wrong i'm sure things would be different
  13. [19:32] <excel> I think it would be less xenophobic
  14. [19:32] <excel> but still generally so
  15. [19:32] <paimun> yeah
  16. [19:32] <paimun> probably still would have ended up with trump eventually
  17. [19:33] <paimun> people really hate the black president guy that much
  18. [19:33] <%Aerolite> what if al gore hadn't been cheated out of the presidency
  19. [19:33] <excel> algorithm
  20. [19:34] <%Aerolite> it must suck for trump's ego losing by 3 million votes, the biggest loss for the "winner" in US history
  21. [19:35] <excel> i think that dovetails nicely into the electoral college debate
  22. [19:36] <excel> losing the popular vote in a representative democracy is a perfectly acceptable outcome
  23. [19:36] <%Aerolite> i mean i know what really matters is the electoral college vote, which he won. but there's something called a popular mandate which winning the popular vote gives you, and the GOP/trump just don't have that
  24. [19:36] <%Aerolite> how can you truly represent the whole people when you didn't even win their votes
  25. [19:37] <excel> i think that if the popular mandate actually mattered as far as elections goes then efforts would have been refocused
  26. [19:37] <excel> but seeing as the EC is the only vote that matters it makes the most sense to optimize effort only to EC and not waste it on the purely symbolic popular vote
  27. [19:38] == none______ [~moon5@B35C2A13.86ADEBB.C57EDA13.IP] has joined #4chan
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  29. [19:39] == averjib [~averjib@A6264A3E.3ECEB097.4274E4EA.IP] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
  30. [19:39] <PMA> why is far cry 1 the best game
  31. [19:39] <excel> wrong again peema
  32. [19:40] == holte [~crogan@08C0E2B.DEC412E.7149F39.IP] has left #4chan []
  33. [19:40] <excel> super smash bros for nintendo 3ds is the best game
  34. [19:40] <PMA> that is a good game
  35. [19:40] <PMA> apparently you can play it online or some shit
  36. [19:40] <excel> i play almost exclusively online
  37. [19:40] <PMA> is it free
  38. [19:40] <excel> online is free after you buy the game
  39. [19:40] <PMA> wtf kind of answer is that
  40. [19:40] <paimun> Aerolite how can you truly represent the whole people if only 25% of the people wanted him
  41. [19:40] == sainato [~nezich@Rizon-1A4A14C.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #4chan
  42. [19:41] <paimun> i mean that's a problem with first past the post more than trump but still
  43. [19:41] <%Aerolite> doesn't that also go to us not having compulsory voting
  44. [19:41] <paimun> yeah
  45. [19:41] == compton [~compton@SAXOPHONE.TOILET.STORE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
  46. [19:41] <PMA> i want compulsory voting
  47. [19:41] <excel> paimun because the people implicitly support a governmental system that chooses its president by the electoral college
  48. [19:41] <%Aerolite> whoever wins any election only represents those people who came out to vote
  49. [19:42] <%Aerolite> there's an article that says only 9% of america voted for either hillary or trump in the primaries
  50. [19:42] <excel> as far as not pushing a constitutional amendment/violent overthrow goes
  51. [19:42] <PMA> this one bitch on tv who was like 17 was like "im not voting unless it is made extremely easy for me. if i have to put a lot of effort in i wont vote"
  52. [19:42] <%Aerolite> it's pretty amazing
  53. [19:42] <PMA> and then they compared her to all millenials
  54. [19:42] <%Aerolite> excel: because the constitution is hard to amend
  55. [19:42] <%Aerolite> and the EC was implemented about 250 years ago
  56. [19:42] <excel> well yes
  57. [19:43] <%Aerolite> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html
  58. [19:43] <excel> that does not mean that we should disregard the law of the land
  59. [19:43] <PMA> thats so fucking stupid holy shit
  60. [19:43] <PMA> 9 percent
  61. [19:43] <excel> if the whole country feels so strongly about it then get an amendment together
  62. [19:43] <excel> otherwise it should stay the same
  63. [19:44] <%Aerolite> technically, it's 14% of eligible adults
  64. [19:44] <excel> that is exactly the whole point.
  65. [19:44] <PMA> >felons cant vote
  66. [19:44] <%Aerolite> 9% includes children
  67. [19:44] <PMA> just remembered
  68. [19:44] <PMA> why is that again
  69. [19:44] <%Aerolite> excel: fine, and i don't think anyone disputes that
  70. [19:44] <%Aerolite> let us rally people to pass an amendment abolishing the EC
  71. [19:45] <%Aerolite> it won't happen but i can dream
  72. [19:45] <PMA> so you want just a popular vote
  73. [19:45] <%Aerolite> yes
  74. [19:45] <%Aerolite> it should be one person, one vote
  75. [19:45] <PMA> wouldnt the candidates just campaign in cali and new york then
  76. [19:45] <%Aerolite> there are drawbacks to both systems
  77. [19:45] <PMA> yea true
  78. [19:45] <%Aerolite> as it is, a republican in california or a democrat in kansas has literally no vote
  79. [19:45] <%Aerolite> they may as well not vote
  80. [19:45] <PMA> thats also true
  81. [19:45] <PMA> hmm
  82. [19:46] <%Aerolite> your vote only matters if you live in one of the 7 or whatever swing states
  83. [19:46] <PMA> theres no way for it to be perfect which is sad
  84. [19:46] <%Aerolite> the best way is one person, one vote
  85. [19:46] <%Aerolite> if you stop treating it as a matter of states voting, but PEOPLE voting, then this whole argument about california or new york becomes irrelevant
  86. [19:46] <excel> well that way, if you don't vote along the lines of NY/CA then your vote doesn't matter
  87. [19:47] <%Aerolite> because what matters is that the majority of the PEOPLE voted for X person
  88. [19:47] <%Aerolite> and it shouldn't matter where those people came from
  89. [19:47] <PMA> yes excel but its still the majority
  90. [19:47] <excel> I do see the reasoning for states voting instead of people voting, which makes a ton more sense when you view the federal gov't as very limited in the traditional federalist sense
  91. [19:47] <%Aerolite> this isn't 1792 anymore
  92. [19:48] == none______ [~moon5@B35C2A13.86ADEBB.C57EDA13.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
  93. [19:48] <%Aerolite> the reasons for the EC really had nothing to do with giving rural states more power or whatever
  94. [19:48] <PMA> if only black women voted everything in this country would be going great
  95. [19:48] <PMA> isnt that sad
  96. [19:48] <PMA> like we should just make laws and have black women vote on them
  97. [19:48] <%Aerolite> it was mainly as a failsafe in case the people voted in a moron or demagogue, and the EC would then supposedly overturn that vote and prevent the idiot from taking office
  98. [19:49] <%Aerolite> but guess what. it failed to do that this election
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  101. [19:49] <excel> I thought the EC was to allow states to decide how to select EC votes
  102. [19:49] <%Aerolite> no lol
  103. [19:49] == anon1066_ [~anonymoos@Rizon-EF07EE8D.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
  104. [19:49] <%Aerolite> the founders believed the EC would be a group of "scholars" or more intelligent citizens who would convene to choose the president
  105. [19:49] == sainato [~nezich@Rizon-1A4A14C.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #4chan []
  106. [19:50] <PMA> Aerolite cant they still do something about trump
  107. [19:50] <PMA> or is it toooo late
  108. [19:50] <PMA> january 19 is upon us
  109. [19:50] == kerchal [~kayser@C189BA8.D99978F.DC0A38E.IP] has joined #4chan
  110. [19:50] <PMA> spring is coming
  111. [19:50] <%Aerolite> it was december 19
  112. [19:50] <%Aerolite> the vote already happened
  113. [19:50] <PMA> lmao
  114. [19:50] <PMA> wow i suck
  115. [19:50] <%Aerolite> they voted for trump
  116. [19:50] <PMA> thats what happens when you get a girlfriend
  117. [19:50] <PMA> i was hoping some shit would go down
  118. [19:50] <PMA> i havent watched the news in over a month
  119. [19:51] <%Aerolite> yeah excel this idea about the EC existing to give rural states more leverage or whatever is largely bullshit. the founders wanted a compromise between direct election (popular vote), and congress choosing the president (which was proposed by some members of the constitutional convention)
  120. [19:51] <%Aerolite> so they came up with the EC
  121. [19:51] <%Aerolite> the people would vote for electors, and those electors would convene to elect the president
  122. [19:51] <excel> well I didn't have any illusions about giving more power to the states
  123. [19:52] <excel> thought it was about allowing states to make the decision about how to alloctate votes e.g. not necessarily by pop. vote
  124. [19:52] <PMA> is trump still gonna build the wall
  125. [19:52] <%Aerolite> the electors would largely affirm the popular vote, but the idea was that they were gentlemanly, scholarly people who were above the common person and could make an intelligent decision about who ought to be president
  126. [19:52] <excel> but yea I see now that it's about a stopgap in populist stuff
  127. [19:52] <%Aerolite> the constitution gives the final say in who's president to the electors
  128. [19:52] == RubDoctor [~Unknown@Rub.Me.Gently.Rub.Me.Slowly.Chake.Ij.Eajy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
  129. [19:52] <%Aerolite> technically they could overturn the popular vote and vote for someone who wasn't even running
  130. [19:53] <%Aerolite> and that would be perfectly constitutional
  131. [19:54] <%Aerolite> this goes back to like, roman times when electors voted for the king
  132. [19:54] <%Aerolite> the electors of rome were important people above the masses
  133. [19:56] <excel> i should read more historical writings
  134. [19:56] <excel> though i fear that they may have little bearing on current politics beyond the letter of the law
  135. [19:56] <excel> historical being federalist papers etc.
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