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  1. irc.freenode.net #centos-social
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  3. Aug 25 20:51:35 <Bry8Star> Can someone please recommend me few more articles related to updatin BIND/named.conf & related files by using Shell Script ? like this : http://bash.cyberciti.biz/domain/create-bind9-domain-zone-configuration-file/ ... i want to update records inside the "named.conf" when my dynamic IP changes , and place that dynamic IP inside the named.conf or related zone/host files
  4. Aug 25 20:51:59 <snadge> im trying to figure out why people hate gnome 3 shell
  5. Aug 25 20:52:13 <snadge> they must be stupid ;)
  6. Aug 25 20:52:46 <snadge> i've been using gnome 2 for what.. a century now, and it took me all of 2 minutes (not even) to get used to it.. i just totally get it
  7. Aug 25 20:52:57 <snadge> unity pissed me off way more
  8. Aug 25 20:55:54 <Bry8Star> ... i'm tryin to update named.conf & related files by getting my dynamic IP using the 'checkip' feature of DynDNS.org ... any good shell script to do so ?
  9. Aug 25 21:01:50 --> qu1ckkkk ([email protected]) has joined #centos-social
  10. Aug 25 21:03:40 <Bahhumbug> google
  11. Aug 25 21:04:24 <Bahhumbug> and fix that god damned script.
  12. Aug 25 21:08:17 <snadge> i was going to say that debian includes a script for it.. but a) thats trolling b) im not in debian right now.. im in F16 alpha ;)
  13. Aug 25 21:08:46 <snadge> and im saying good things about it even.. i like it
  14. Aug 25 21:08:48 <Bahhumbug> dyndns also provides scripts for it, or at least did at one time.
  15. Aug 25 21:09:25 <snadge> brave move to switch to gnome 3 by default.. but as a long time gnome 2 user, i get what they've done
  16. Aug 25 21:09:48 <snadge> its really not that hard to adjust, and i happen to consider it an improvement.. for the most part
  17. Aug 25 21:10:05 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bahhumbug
  18. Aug 25 21:10:48 --- Bahhumbug removes ban on *!*@203.143.159.19$##fix_your_connection
  19. Aug 25 21:13:09 <-- archetech has quit (Quit: Leaving)
  20. Aug 25 21:13:40 <Bry8Star> ... i'm not like others that i come here to ask for help without googling first .. i already posted link to article that can do this .. i'm looking for something better , recommended by experts here .. if you are not expert then please stay quiet
  21. Aug 25 21:17:15 --- Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
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  26. Aug 25 21:17:55 --> You are now talking on #centos-social
  27. Aug 25 21:17:55 --- Topic for #centos-social is Welcome to #centos-social, the place for social discussion and issues considered OT in #centos.
  28. Aug 25 21:17:55 --- Topic for #centos-social set by orc_emac at Mon Aug 03 21:44:15 2009
  29. Aug 25 21:17:58 <Bahhumbug> Tell you what. You pay me my normal per diem and I will be happy to write you an "expert" script to do that which is completely trivial. But that's not the point. The point is you have been asked repeatedly to fix that idiotic script you use.
  30. Aug 25 21:18:28 --> macjunkie ([email protected]) has joined #centos-social
  31. Aug 25 21:20:15 <-- Bry8Star has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  32. Aug 25 21:20:18 <-- Bry8Star2g ([email protected]) has left #centos-social ("Leaving")
  33. Aug 25 21:20:19 --> Bry8Star2g ([email protected]) has joined #centos-social
  34. Aug 25 21:25:23 <Bry8Star_> ... if any1 have suggestion with better article , please help ... thanks
  35. Aug 25 21:30:45 <snadge> i dunno if Bahhumbug is gonna hate me for this.. but theres a package called ddclient
  36. Aug 25 21:31:02 <snadge> its mentioned on dyndns.org's support page.. its trivial to install and configure
  37. Aug 25 21:31:12 <snadge> and its packaged with fedora
  38. Aug 25 21:31:22 <Bahhumbug> It is by most people, snadge.
  39. Aug 25 21:31:59 <Bahhumbug> Oh, and it's also packaged by one of the more popular 3rd party repos for el4/5/6.
  40. Aug 25 21:32:31 <Bahhumbug> 2 3rd party repos, actually.
  41. Aug 25 21:32:42 <snadge> yeah i was going to say i'd be highly surprised if there wasn't a centos package for it
  42. Aug 25 21:32:44 <Bahhumbug> And a google search would find it.
  43. Aug 25 21:33:33 <snadge> i managed to figure that out from a fedora 16 alpha livecd environment.. whilst resizing one of my partitions to install it onto ;)
  44. Aug 25 21:33:58 <Bry8Star_> i'm not in the stage to update my host record with DynDNS by using ''ddclient' ... next stage
  45. Aug 25 21:34:03 <snadge> and for additional troll points.. whilst using gnome 3
  46. Aug 25 21:35:07 <Bry8Star_> ...if u were know what i'm requesting then you wouldnt have mentioned about 'ddclient'
  47. Aug 25 21:35:49 <Bahhumbug> http://u-is-spelled-you.com - it's not that difficult.
  48. Aug 25 21:37:48 <-- macjunkie has quit (Quit: macjunkie)
  49. Aug 25 21:38:17 <snadge> i had to scroll back.. but basically you're running your own dns.. on a dynamic ip.. and you want help with that.. good luck.. 99% of dyndns users, just use it so that a hostname resolves to whatever their dynamic ip is.. which the ddclient is more than adequate for
  50. Aug 25 21:42:50 <Bry8Star_> ... obviously in my first and even in later posts , its very clear , i'm tryin to do something with 'checkip' and then use that IP to replace the previous IP from the 'named.conf' & related other BIND/named files
  51. Aug 25 21:50:22 <snadge> dont they have a web frontend for that sort of thing?
  52. Aug 25 21:50:52 <snadge> but sure i get it.. you basically want to know how to shell script, and use things like awk and sed
  53. Aug 25 21:51:24 <snadge> i'd love to help really. but i have other more important shell scripts for my own selfish reasons, that I can't be bothered writing either ;)
  54. Aug 25 21:51:56 <Bahhumbug> which is fine, that's learning. but being able to support yourself is just as important. Which is why I pointed him to google, but he copped an immediate attitude over it.
  55. Aug 25 21:52:27 <Bry8Star_> ... yes , snadge ... want to get IP , and then change all the older IP in all the BIND/named server files
  56. Aug 25 21:53:17 <Bahhumbug> man bash
  57. Aug 25 21:53:19 <Bahhumbug> man sed
  58. Aug 25 21:53:21 <Bahhumbug> man perl
  59. Aug 25 21:53:22 <Bahhumbug> man awk
  60. Aug 25 21:53:33 <Bahhumbug> time to learn
  61. Aug 25 21:54:15 <snadge> yeah.. i don't even know how to use that stuff properly, i know what they are.. and how people use them.. but as for actually doing stuff with them.. thats what the guys who get paid the big bucks do ;)
  62. Aug 25 21:54:41 <snadge> sounds like too much hard work to me
  63. Aug 25 21:54:42 <Bry8Star_> ... i know shell scripting , but not a lot lot ... but obviusly when some1 looks at different approaches , related with updaintin BIND server files , that helps a lot
  64. Aug 25 21:54:52 <-- Bry8Star2g has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
  65. Aug 25 21:55:41 <Bry8Star_> ... for updatin BIND server .. there are normal updatin .. and there process to update with DNSSEC enabled ... so a btter article will help me further
  66. Aug 25 21:56:29 <Bahhumbug> dynamic dns? DNSSEC? One thing is not quite like the other thing.
  67. Aug 25 21:56:56 <Bry8Star_> ... i meant TSIG key stuff in BIND files
  68. Aug 25 21:57:22 <Bry8Star_> ... i want to change that as well when a new IP is detected
  69. Aug 25 21:57:44 <Bahhumbug> If you know what TSIG is you should be able to figure out how to get a new ip into a zone file and update that which needs updating.
  70. Aug 25 21:58:50 <Bry8Star_> ... i'm not expert ... i'm still in the learning process ... so i need better articles & links .. i have already 40 different tabs open in my browser ...
  71. Aug 25 21:59:00 --> Bry8Star2g ([email protected]) has joined #centos-social
  72. Aug 25 21:59:12 <Bry8Star_> u will notice .. even few days earlier .. i asked for help with even lower level stuff
  73. Aug 25 22:00:03 <Bahhumbug> http://u-is-spelled-you.com - it's not that difficult
  74. Aug 25 22:00:04 <Bry8Star_> ... if i'm not readin ... how do i doing these & solving these ?
  75. Aug 25 22:00:25 <Bahhumbug> by doing some of your own research, or, perhaps more of your own research.
  76. Aug 25 22:00:37 <Bahhumbug> Listen, I commend you on learning.
  77. Aug 25 22:00:54 <Bry8Star_> yes .. i'm trying my best , as always
  78. Aug 25 22:01:05 <Bahhumbug> I truly do. But you do seem to have more than a share of linux101 questions. That being said, I'd rather see those here than in #centos.
  79. Aug 25 22:01:48 <Bry8Star_> if i dont get any recommendation ... will i just stay still ?... no .. i will learn & find way ...
  80. Aug 25 22:03:25 <Bry8Star_> ... my current script is partially ready , hopefully i can improve it further .. when ever ip chnages ... all bind files will also changet wi i can
  81. Aug 25 22:04:14 <Bahhumbug> last warning. fix that irc script that so that it doesn't spew out retarded ... nonsense.
  82. Aug 25 22:05:02 <Bry8Star_> he he he ... i pressed entered , before had a chance to remove the last characters/words
  83. Aug 25 22:05:10 <Bry8Star_> *'enter'
  84. Aug 25 22:05:52 <Bahhumbug> it's not funny, it's annoying.
  85. Aug 25 22:06:55 <Bry8Star_> ... guys/gals have fun .. next time u see me .. it will be solved
  86. Aug 25 22:07:02 --> BobLfoot_ (~Bob@fedora/BobLfoot) has joined #centos-social
  87. Aug 25 22:08:56 <Bahhumbug> http://u-is-spelled-you.com - it's not that difficult
  88. Aug 25 22:09:05 <Bahhumbug> This is not IM.
  89. Aug 25 22:09:08 <Bahhumbug> This is not AOL.
  90. Aug 25 22:09:40 <Bahhumbug> Using "u" for "you" is insulting to the intelligence of those of us that actually know how to properly converse in an on-line medium.
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  95. Aug 25 21:35:49 <Bahhumbug> http://u-is-spelled-you.com - it's not that difficult.
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  99. ... teaching me GRAMMAR again , even in #centos-social !
  100. How many person in the world knows 'English' ? percentage-wise it definitely will be less . And in what percentage amount, people actually know 'English Grammar' to use correctly ? ... again , very very less, comparatively ... so asking people , repeatedly ... is not a right thing to do , at all . We are here in #centos or in #centos-social not to discuss about grammar . None are here disrespecting any others , by using shorter form or faster or easier form of communication , or whatever mistake or whatever grammatical mistake they have.
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  104. Aug 25 21:17:58 <Bahhumbug> Tell you what. You pay me my normal per diem and I will be happy to write you an "expert" script to do that which is completely trivial. But that's not the point. The point is you have been asked repeatedly to fix that idiotic script you use.
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  108. ... even few months earlier he asked to pay for the things which i asked for . And this user continually changing 'point' or context of conversation to something unrelated.
  109.  
  110. ... if i or other asks for help , this user asks for money or points to or mentions about paid solutions !
  111. i'm or others are here in #centos or in #centos-social to get & give FREE help to others , thats why we are in FREENODE ... if i don't know something or i don't want to help , i will & do stay quiet ... normal & right attitude ... i don't start to tell people to do which are not related to this channel or its their own choice or limitation !
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  113. ... if i or any other user when ask for help , if a user or you give me a url link to "Library of Congress" , or, just mention the word to goto "Library of Congress" , that , there you will get what you're looking for ... that is a "Help" ... but how much effective or right kind of help is that ?
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  115. ... did i or other users asked to give such link to an Encyclopedia or a Manual ? ... NO ... those who come/visit here , often do not have the capacity to even interpret or does not have the ability to understand the FORMAT of such DOCUMENTS , a SIMPLER SOLUTION must be given first , before saying them to use such MANUAL or Encyclopedia type of sources , that is how it should be , or what others are doing in other channels , or at least give them knowledge how to interpret a manual.
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  117. ... if a visitor on #centos has less or no knowledge on 'developing' or using the CentOS properly , then suggesting to 'Developers Materials' are not right kind of help . Something really helpful for that person need to be given to him/her or pointed to.
  118.  
  119. ... in you First page on "centos.org" you are showing these to people :
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  121. "CentOS Overview
  122. CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.) CentOS is free.
  123. CentOS is developed by a small but growing team of core developers. In turn the core developers are supported by an active user community including system administrators, network administrators, enterprise users, managers, core Linux contributors and Linux enthusiasts from around the world.
  124. CentOS has numerous advantages over some of the other clone projects including: an active and growing user community, quickly rebuilt, tested, and QA'ed errata packages, an extensive mirror network, developers who are contactable and responsive, multiple free support avenues including IRC Chat, Mailing Lists, Forums, a dynamic FAQ."
  125.  
  126. ... Then in here ( http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=3 ) :
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  128. "Purpose of CentOS
  129. CentOS exists to provide a free enterprise class computing platform to anyone who wishes to use it. CentOS 2, 3, and 4 are built from publically available open source SRPMS provided by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policies and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.). CentOS is designed for people who need an enterprise class OS without the cost or support of the prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor.
  130. Neither the CentOS Project (we who build CentOS) nor any version of CentOS is affiliated with, produced by, or supported by the prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. Neither does our software contain the upstream vendor's product ... although it is built from the same open source SRPMS as the upstream enterprise products."
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  132. ... is CentOS here to TEACH people the "manuals" of CentOS mostly , or , quoting "developers who are contactable and responsive, multiple free support avenues including IRC Chat, Mailing Lists, Forums, a dynamic FAQ." , again quoting "CentOS exists to provide a free enterprise class computing platform to anyone who wishes to use it." ... or , really HELP for FREE to those who wishes to use it on their computer/platform ?
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  134. ... if someone asks to understand how to edit "named.conf" in CentOS ... a helpful person will give them the exact link or link to an encyclopedia (collection of manuals) but definitely with exact page/paragraph # or location , or give them accurate knowledge over the IRC , where it will be exactly RELATED to the problem that person was having/asking in the first or visited here for . Once that person goes to the exact location , if fails to understand , then they can go one chapter back , if still not making sense they can go back even further , or they can come back to IRC for further help.
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  136. ... most CentOS users have software or tools from other sources , an one organization or one group or one company cannot have all the solution of the entire world , or , tools for all kind of solution ... it is impossible . people will have portions from other sources .. that is the essence of CentOS , its own root . it is understandable that you/none do not have/possesses such ability/skill , but at least help as far as CentOS is concerned . But continually and completely discouraging people who are only asking to solve the portion related to CentOS ... is , again ... not a right way to communicate with people.
  137.  
  138. ... if you allow such user , to behave/write in/with such attitude , you will have to change those claim or public notice/information.
  139.  
  140. ... i have log of these channels , not only me , various other users have also said similar things , that such is not right , they gets kicked out , given 'man this/that', no real help, etc .
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  142. ... in a free & community channel , people need to be polite & helpful ... and maintain that type of politeness toward the people when giving/communicating with them to help them out . it is not a personal, or, my own , or, for a profit based company's channel . everyone takes turn in helping others , whenever they can . if needed , a channel named #centos-paid-support can be easily created or if your group wants to, though i will not suggest to do such. Goes totally against the spirit of "CentOS".
  143.  
  144. it is un-imaginable that someone representing #centos is using words like 'nitwit' towards people . And not even publicly told not to use such words !
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  146. If someone uses such bad communication to you , what you do ? what would others do ?
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  148. ~ Bry8Star.
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