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-[2014-01-11 20:20:16] <MattBo> what makes food good drunk food
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 [2014-01-11 20:25:18] <WorstQEvr> this seems pretty obvious to me
 [2014-01-11 20:26:24] <Golden_Kumquat> Even then, he was risking a touchdown by getting rid of the ball
 [2014-01-11 20:27:18] <WorstQEvr> yeah the primary answer is that he was just improvising nonsense because he was caught off guard
 [2014-01-11 20:27:19] <susan> grease, mattbo
 [2014-01-11 20:27:50] <WorstQEvr> but still, teams take intentional safeties in more planned versions of that situation all the time
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 [2014-01-11 20:30:26] <Golden_Kumquat> It still feels weird when the optimal strategy is to intentionally give up points to the other team or intentionally not score
 [2014-01-11 20:33:06] <DeisTwo> grease/fat is the key to drunk food
 [2014-01-11 20:33:16] <DeisTwo> or a bit of spicy sauce
 [2014-01-11 20:34:29] <MattBo> how often is that the optimal strategy
 [2014-01-11 20:35:11] <DeisTwo> depends, the latter is also more hangover stuff, like menudo
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 [2014-01-11 20:35:20] <DeisTwo> also, finger/hand food is part of it
 [2014-01-11 20:35:44] <DeisTwo> that, along with wings originally being cheap was why they were such a good bar item
 [2014-01-11 20:37:39] <DeisTwo> it overlaps a lot with munchie food
 [2014-01-11 20:38:39] <Golden_Kumquat> MattBo, it's happened in two Super Bowls in a row
 [2014-01-11 20:39:55] <DeisTwo> it's not that hard a calculation though, I mean that yardage/point value holds pretty true
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 [2014-01-11 20:45:02] <christino> there are rumors on the forums that some sort of convocation will occur at the eleventh hour tonight
 [2014-01-11 20:45:08] <christino> is that true
 [2014-01-11 20:46:21] <gberry1> no the snow pushed it back a few days
 [2014-01-11 20:46:25] <vig180> it is so if you think so
 [2014-01-11 20:46:55] <gberry1> it is now during the Ladue graduation
 [2014-01-11 20:47:18] <christino> hahaha no
 [2014-01-11 20:49:08] <gberry1> whats up, David?
 [2014-01-11 20:50:22] <davidseal> not much
 [2014-01-11 20:50:26] <davidseal> just watching football and working
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 [2014-01-11 20:52:52] <gberry1> cool
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 [2014-01-11 21:19:22] <InfiniteStryker0> i see cheesesteak talk died down
 [2014-01-11 21:21:13] <gberry1> yeah
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 [2014-01-11 21:27:44] <davidseal> was there a big fight over the deadspin article?
 [2014-01-11 21:34:07] <InfiniteStryker0> nah no fighting
 [2014-01-11 21:38:27] <DeisTwo> just a long debate over wit vs wiz
 [2014-01-11 21:44:15] <InfiniteStryker0> those aren't mutually exclusive
 [2014-01-11 21:44:28] <InfiniteStryker0> assuming my philly slang is correct
 [2014-01-11 21:45:32] <DeisTwo> I thought you just say cheese wit
 [2014-01-11 21:45:47] <DeisTwo> I'm not getting a cheesesteak anytime soon so it's moot to me
 [2014-01-11 21:45:50] <InfiniteStryker0> wiz is the type of cheese, wit referrs to whether you want onions or not
 [2014-01-11 21:45:58] <InfiniteStryker0> its two different variables
 [2014-01-11 21:46:16] <InfiniteStryker0> and yes, I did look that up before coming to penn haha
 [2014-01-11 21:46:17] <DeisTwo> ah
 [2014-01-11 21:47:12] <MattBo> oh, hey david
 [2014-01-11 21:50:24] <davidseal> howdy
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 [2014-01-11 21:56:25] <davidseal> is uva going to cane ridge at penn?
 [2014-01-11 21:56:29] <MattBo> yeah
 [2014-01-11 21:56:33] <davidseal> cool
 [2014-01-11 21:56:37] <davidseal> ill have to try to make it out then
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 [2014-01-11 22:01:25] <fred> hi
 [2014-01-11 22:01:40] <fred> i keep expecting that sidney from powhatan link to be something else
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 [2014-01-11 22:01:52] <fred> every time i click it
 [2014-01-11 22:03:05] <mbjackson> sup ppl
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 [2014-01-11 22:03:24] <fred> oh, is that team discussion happening now?
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 [2014-01-11 22:04:21] <HurrahPraga> theoretically.  no idea what's going on
 [2014-01-11 22:04:23] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, I guess.
 [2014-01-11 22:04:40] <LaziestUsernameEver> Dylan should be on in a bit.
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 [2014-01-11 22:05:15] <HurrahPraga> ok, cool.  So are we just going to go through the poll and talk about each team?
 [2014-01-11 22:05:24] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yep.
 [2014-01-11 22:05:41] <HurrahPraga> Awesome
 [2014-01-11 22:06:25] <fred> ah ok
 [2014-01-11 22:06:33] <fred> i don't know how long i'll be awake
 [2014-01-11 22:06:38] <fred> this is well past when i usually go to bed
 [2014-01-11 22:06:41] <fred> (old)
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 [2014-01-11 22:07:28] <Isaack-d> why weren't you at new Kent sameen?
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 [2014-01-11 22:07:47] <SameenB> I had family over plus ride issues
 [2014-01-11 22:07:59] <SameenB> also if we had come, we would have only been a two man team
 [2014-01-11 22:08:03] <SameenB> and that doesn't turn out well
 [2014-01-11 22:08:07] <Isaack-d> I feel yoy
 [2014-01-11 22:08:28] <mib_nue93v> hello
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 [2014-01-11 22:09:00] <fred> man, blount
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 [2014-01-11 22:09:11] <fred> just running
 [2014-01-11 22:09:18] <Dylan> oh legarrette blount
 [2014-01-11 22:09:23] <Isaack-d> he's going off
 [2014-01-11 22:09:36] <SameenB> 4 tds
 [2014-01-11 22:09:37] <SameenB> insane
 [2014-01-11 22:09:40] <Dylan> i'm running out of teams i don't hate in these playoffs
 [2014-01-11 22:09:40] <mib_nue93v> yea
 [2014-01-11 22:09:46] <mib_nue93v> 73 yarder was sweet
 [2014-01-11 22:09:55] <mib_nue93v> someone will overpay for him in the offseason
 [2014-01-11 22:10:19] <davidseal> the real lesson from this game is that vince wilfork looks hilarious without his helmet
 [2014-01-11 22:10:27] <fred> haha
 [2014-01-11 22:10:32] <SameenB> agreed
 [2014-01-11 22:10:41] <mib_nue93v> lol
 [2014-01-11 22:10:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> OK, so I guess we can start now.
 [2014-01-11 22:11:19] <LaziestUsernameEver> Not really sure how this is supposed to go down, but I guess it's just "name a team, talk about them", right?
 [2014-01-11 22:11:21] <davidseal> right now the best team to root for in these playoffs are the panthers
 [2014-01-11 22:11:30] <mib_nue93v> start from the top?
 [2014-01-11 22:11:38] <HurrahPraga> Eagles to take it all.  There's still hope
 [2014-01-11 22:11:45] <Dylan> we started from the bottom for the college poll
 [2014-01-11 22:11:50] <davidseal> fuck them\
 [2014-01-11 22:11:54] <mib_nue93v> lol as a die hard seahawks fan im a bit worried
 [2014-01-11 22:11:58] <mib_nue93v> But not too worried
 [2014-01-11 22:11:59] <davidseal> fuck you
 [2014-01-11 22:12:12] <HurrahPraga> seatlle has a massive homefield advantage.  superbowl, at least
 [2014-01-11 22:12:14] <fred> hey virginians: what would be the local newspaper for clover hill?
 [2014-01-11 22:12:21] <Dylan> i'm waiting for texas a&m to sue the collective seahawks fanbase
 [2014-01-11 22:12:27] <mib_nue93v> Pat, thats not to be taken for granted
 [2014-01-11 22:12:31] <fred> that's already happened, dylan
 [2014-01-11 22:12:36] <fred> not the fan base, obviously, but the seahawks
 [2014-01-11 22:12:41] <mib_nue93v> The Panthers and 49ers are both great teams, i wont deny it
 [2014-01-11 22:12:44] <Dylan> not really surprised
 [2014-01-11 22:12:47] <LaziestUsernameEver> Alright, the bottom then. That's Guilford.
 [2014-01-11 22:12:52] <HurrahPraga> No, but its probably going to happen
 [2014-01-11 22:13:08] <Dylan> alright then
 [2014-01-11 22:13:10] <HurrahPraga> anyone from nc?
 [2014-01-11 22:13:26] <SameenB> i played them
 [2014-01-11 22:13:28] <davidseal> oh man its time for the tearful goodbye to dan dierdorf
 [2014-01-11 22:13:29] <Dylan> I personally know nothing abut Guilford but they tend to surprise people come Nats time
 [2014-01-11 22:13:45] <davidseal> put on the sarah maclachlan
 [2014-01-11 22:14:01] <davidseal> also he was comically wrong on that punter issue earlier tonight
 [2014-01-11 22:14:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> I was under the impression that the better NC team was Raleigh Charter or something.
 [2014-01-11 22:14:04] <HurrahPraga> sameen, what did they look like?
 [2014-01-11 22:14:27] <fred> oh is dierdorf leaving?
 [2014-01-11 22:14:32] <davidseal> yep
 [2014-01-11 22:14:33] <fred> he's... not an awful announcer for the most part
 [2014-01-11 22:14:39] <SameenB> they were balanced
 [2014-01-11 22:14:45] <fred> certainly not excellent but i never thought he was awfully bad
 [2014-01-11 22:15:14] <SameenB> Elizabeth was very solid in science
 [2014-01-11 22:15:18] <davidseal> i havent seen him too much as i rarely watch minor afc games, but ive not heard good things
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 [2014-01-11 22:17:27] <mib_nue93v> Seem decent to me
 [2014-01-11 22:17:27] <SameenB> Guilford B was strong too
 [2014-01-11 22:17:30] <fred> apparently LASA has a fondue club
 [2014-01-11 22:17:34] <fred> please work that into the preview
 [2014-01-11 22:17:35] <mib_nue93v> about 23ish ppb on IS
 [2014-01-11 22:17:40] <mib_nue93v> and a decent power rate
 [2014-01-11 22:17:41] <LaziestUsernameEver> Noted, Fred.
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 [2014-01-11 22:18:33] <mib_95x91> We have a fondue club?
 [2014-01-11 22:18:39] <fred> per wiki
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 [2014-01-11 22:18:42] <mib_95x91> We have a jam club
 [2014-01-11 22:18:51] <mib_95x91> I think fondue might be defunct
 [2014-01-11 22:19:10] <mib_nue93v> ok
 [2014-01-11 22:19:13] <mib_nue93v> cool
 [2014-01-11 22:19:15] <HurrahPraga> I never thought I'd hear that
 [2014-01-11 22:19:19] <HurrahPraga> Read
 [2014-01-11 22:19:37] <Isaack-d> im trying to start a shaman club at my school
 [2014-01-11 22:19:40] <fred> yeah, i have no idea what a fondue club would do.
 [2014-01-11 22:19:51] <fred> ECG's most interesting tidbit on wikipedia is that....
 [2014-01-11 22:19:53] <HurrahPraga> eat fondue all day?  I could go for that
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 [2014-01-11 22:20:10] <mib_nue93v> who is the next team?
 [2014-01-11 22:20:12] <fred> i guess they don't have sports teams
 [2014-01-11 22:20:19] <mib_95x91> Jam club does Chopped style competitions
 [2014-01-11 22:20:19] <InfiniteStryker0> woah, conversation
 [2014-01-11 22:20:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm guessing there's not much else to say about ECG.
 [2014-01-11 22:20:23] <mib_95x91> Teachers love it, cause they can judge
 [2014-01-11 22:20:23] <fred> except for an unofficial ultimate team
 [2014-01-11 22:20:37] <fred> ecg's best stat line was at bonfire of the manatees
 [2014-01-11 22:20:39] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next team is Ezell-Harding.
 [2014-01-11 22:20:40] <fred> per aPPB
 [2014-01-11 22:20:41] <HurrahPraga> next up is Ezell-Harding, if we're moving on
 [2014-01-11 22:20:44] <HurrahPraga> oops, ninjas
 [2014-01-11 22:20:46] <InfiniteStryker0> oh, hs qb
 [2014-01-11 22:20:48] <InfiniteStryker0> blargh
 [2014-01-11 22:20:54] <fred> yeah, it's a thing
 [2014-01-11 22:20:54] <mib_nue93v> Dont know who they r
 [2014-01-11 22:21:28] <HurrahPraga> does anyone hear know them?
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 [2014-01-11 22:21:37] <fred> they did well at wku hilltopper
 [2014-01-11 22:21:42] <Dylan> I think most of their scoring comes from Griffin Ray?
 [2014-01-11 22:21:57] <mib_nue93v> which teams have they beaten?
 [2014-01-11 22:22:01] <fred> arguably did better there than dupont manual did
 [2014-01-11 22:22:02] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, Griffin does most of the scoring.
 [2014-01-11 22:22:21] <ltholden> Yeah, they're alright. They beat Dupont, Corbin, and Gatton
 [2014-01-11 22:22:40] <ltholden> No didn't beat. never mind
 [2014-01-11 22:22:43] <ltholden> placed higher
 [2014-01-11 22:22:45] <fred> they're good
 [2014-01-11 22:22:48] <vig180> they have a lot of ACE training since their coach is an ACE founder
 [2014-01-11 22:22:54] <vig180> not sure how well that plays at higher levels
 [2014-01-11 22:22:59] <fred> it's a little muddy how good at this time
 [2014-01-11 22:23:00] <HurrahPraga> that has to count for something
 [2014-01-11 22:23:02] <LaziestUsernameEver> They also won at Brookwood, but no real stats were really kept there.
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 [2014-01-11 22:23:12] <vig180> the Memphis teams still talk about how "that team" came over and destroyed them all last year
 [2014-01-11 22:23:27] <fred> they do pretty well at hsnct
 [2014-01-11 22:23:35] <mib_nue93v> dupont i thought was really good
 [2014-01-11 22:23:35] <fred> 8-5 at hsnct last year
 [2014-01-11 22:23:38] <vig180> they do like to travel as well
 [2014-01-11 22:23:43] <fred> 7-5 the year before
 [2014-01-11 22:23:44] <vig180> apparently they played USN's tournament today too
 [2014-01-11 22:23:53] <HurrahPraga> well antioch appears to be in the middle of nowhere, so that could be them
 [2014-01-11 22:24:04] <ltholden> They beat Oak Ridge
 [2014-01-11 22:24:16] <vig180> Antioch is a suburb of Nashville
 [2014-01-11 22:24:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> Doesn't seem to have been Oak Ridge's full A team, though.
 [2014-01-11 22:24:26] <mib_nue93v> alright, it can be debated how good oak ridge is i guess...
 [2014-01-11 22:24:28] <vig180> their coach is now principal of the school apparently
 [2014-01-11 22:24:38] <ltholden> They've been like in the lower-upper tier since Griffin got good.
 [2014-01-11 22:24:42] <HurrahPraga> oh, well last time i trust google maps
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 [2014-01-11 22:25:05] <LaziestUsernameEver> USN had a tournament today? Using what?
 [2014-01-11 22:25:11] <vig180> their own housewrite
 [2014-01-11 22:25:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> Huh.
 [2014-01-11 22:26:01] <mib_nue93v> ok
 [2014-01-11 22:26:06] <mib_nue93v> anything else to add?
 [2014-01-11 22:26:16] <mib_nue93v> they seem solid
 [2014-01-11 22:26:20] <vig180> I think almost all their top players graduate this year
 [2014-01-11 22:26:57] <Dylan> yeah i think griffin is a senior
 [2014-01-11 22:27:20] <ltholden> I expect they'll continue fielding solid teams after this year, but Griffin is the reason they're above just OK
 [2014-01-11 22:27:24] <mib_nue93v> next team?
 [2014-01-11 22:27:29] <HurrahPraga> oak ridge
 [2014-01-11 22:27:30] <ltholden> Oak Ridge
 [2014-01-11 22:27:36] <mib_nue93v> Alright
 [2014-01-11 22:27:36] <HurrahPraga> they beat high tech A at hsnct last year
 [2014-01-11 22:27:42] <HurrahPraga> but that's all i have
 [2014-01-11 22:27:44] <mib_nue93v> They are a one man team
 [2014-01-11 22:27:47] <samus149> that was a funny und for you guys
 [2014-01-11 22:27:47] <mib_nue93v> it seems
 [2014-01-11 22:27:50] <samus149> *round
 [2014-01-11 22:27:52] <Dylan> i remember high bonus conversion at UK's tourney
 [2014-01-11 22:27:57] <mib_nue93v> yes
 [2014-01-11 22:28:00] <mib_nue93v> really high
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 [2014-01-11 22:28:06] <mib_nue93v> decent finish as well
 [2014-01-11 22:28:09] <mib_nue93v> but no other stats
 [2014-01-11 22:28:14] <fred> yeah
 [2014-01-11 22:28:14] <mib_nue93v> to confirm such sentiments
 [2014-01-11 22:28:18] <fred> well
 [2014-01-11 22:28:23] <LaziestUsernameEver> I read on the forums that UK was the only time they had their full team this year.
 [2014-01-11 22:28:25] <fred> teams don't just stumble into PPBs like that
 [2014-01-11 22:28:29] <mib_nue93v> yes
 [2014-01-11 22:28:30] <mib_nue93v> correct
 [2014-01-11 22:28:39] <mib_nue93v> they are definetly good
 [2014-01-11 22:28:43] <mib_nue93v> just how good
 [2014-01-11 22:28:45] <HurrahPraga> so they're potentially underanked
 [2014-01-11 22:28:49] <mib_nue93v> on a consistent basis
 [2014-01-11 22:28:54] <mib_nue93v> remains to be seen
 [2014-01-11 22:28:57] <fred> and i'm pretty certain there wasn't any significant stat errors
 [2014-01-11 22:29:01] <Dylan> I wouldn't be surprised if they pull an upset at nats
 [2014-01-11 22:29:01] <fred> yeah, that's a key question
 [2014-01-11 22:29:09] <fred> i have them 10th in my rankings, for whatever that's worth
 [2014-01-11 22:29:15] <vig180> I have heard their top player is very erratic in terms of what tournaments he'll play
 [2014-01-11 22:29:25] <mib_nue93v> which teams did they beat at UK?
 [2014-01-11 22:29:35] <LaziestUsernameEver> They beat DCC A.
 [2014-01-11 22:29:38] <mib_95x91>  They beat Chatt and DCC A
 [2014-01-11 22:29:40] <mib_nue93v> Ok
 [2014-01-11 22:29:51] <fred> yeah
 [2014-01-11 22:30:01] <mib_95x91> Had a close match with Northmont too
 [2014-01-11 22:30:03] <fred> i think they finished 5th?
 [2014-01-11 22:30:09] <fred> it's been a few months and a few sets of block exams
 [2014-01-11 22:30:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> Which are pretty impressive wins, since they're pretty unknown.
 [2014-01-11 22:30:11] <mib_nue93v> pretty solid finish
 [2014-01-11 22:30:15] <mib_nue93v> at that tournament
 [2014-01-11 22:30:26] [ERROR] No match for ``mib_mue93''.
 [2014-01-11 22:30:36] <mib_nue93v> any other comments
 [2014-01-11 22:30:37] <mib_nue93v> ?
 [2014-01-11 22:30:47] <christino> mib_nue93v: who are you? LASA?
 [2014-01-11 22:30:57] <HurrahPraga> why are there two mib's @.@
 [2014-01-11 22:31:07] =-= mib_95x91 is now known as LASAkid
 [2014-01-11 22:31:08] <Dylan> i think it's the default mibbit name
 [2014-01-11 22:31:12] <mib_nue93v> Im from Charter
 [2014-01-11 22:31:12] <LASAkid> Let's do that
 [2014-01-11 22:31:24] <mib_nue93v> can i change my name?
 [2014-01-11 22:31:25] <HurrahPraga> oh ok, this makes more sense now
 [2014-01-11 22:31:33] <LASAkid> use / nick without the space
 [2014-01-11 22:31:39] <LASAkid> like
 [2014-01-11 22:31:42] =-= LASAkid is now known as charterkid
 [2014-01-11 22:31:45] <charterkid> darn
 [2014-01-11 22:31:46] =-= mib_nue93v is now known as ChunkySean
 [2014-01-11 22:31:48] =-= charterkid is now known as lasakid
 [2014-01-11 22:31:53] <Dylan> oh high mohan
 [2014-01-11 22:31:55] <fred> ./nick whatever
 [2014-01-11 22:31:58] <fred> just delete the period
 [2014-01-11 22:32:00] <Dylan> *hi
 [2014-01-11 22:32:07] <ChunkySean> Hullo
 [2014-01-11 22:32:09] <HurrahPraga> wait mohan's been here the whole time
 [2014-01-11 22:32:11] <fred> the only complaint i really have to make about the poll results, other than the "also receiving votes" section being... wrong
 [2014-01-11 22:32:20] <fred> is that oak ridge is underrated by a few spots
 [2014-01-11 22:32:28] <fred> i don't know if they're actually 10th in the country
 [2014-01-11 22:32:34] <fred> but i think they're better than 24th
 [2014-01-11 22:32:35] <ChunkySean> Hey Pat
 [2014-01-11 22:32:41] <HurrahPraga> hey mohan
 [2014-01-11 22:32:51] <LaziestUsernameEver> Welp, let's move on to the next team then?
 [2014-01-11 22:32:53] <HurrahPraga> yeah, considering who they've beaten they look a bit under
 [2014-01-11 22:32:56] <LaziestUsernameEver> Unless people want to say more.
 [2014-01-11 22:33:05] <fred> i've got to get to bed
 [2014-01-11 22:33:07] <fred> had a long day
 [2014-01-11 22:33:11] <ChunkySean> we can continue
 [2014-01-11 22:33:14] <dendroicavirens> What didn't you like about the "also" section, Fred?
 [2014-01-11 22:33:19] <fred> if you guys have specific questions, email me
 [2014-01-11 22:33:21] <fred> like
 [2014-01-11 22:33:24] <HurrahPraga> who's next? dunbar?
 [2014-01-11 22:33:25] <fred> teams getting votes that really shouldn't
 [2014-01-11 22:33:27] <christino> so they're pretty much "dark horse who may be really good but not enough results"?
 [2014-01-11 22:33:32] <fred> nitpicky things
 [2014-01-11 22:33:41] <vig180> they aren't scheduled for any other TN tournaments that I can find
 [2014-01-11 22:33:50] <LaziestUsernameEver> Pretty much.
 [2014-01-11 22:33:54] <ChunkySean> DUnbar seems decent but inconsistent
 [2014-01-11 22:33:57] <vig180> so definitely a "wild card" if they show up to nats at full force
 [2014-01-11 22:34:05] <fred> i don't get torrey pines  where they are
 [2014-01-11 22:34:13] <fred> i don't know why you'd vote for wilmington charter b at all
 [2014-01-11 22:34:17] <Dylan> Dunbar won the UK tourney
 [2014-01-11 22:34:21] <fred> livingston is weird
 [2014-01-11 22:34:24] <fred> dunbar ended up winning the UK tourney
 [2014-01-11 22:34:26] <fred> yeah
 [2014-01-11 22:34:35] <fred> it didn't help them much in hsqbrank
 [2014-01-11 22:34:40] <ChunkySean> Charter B handily beat Dunbar at HFT, so its  seems they might be prone to upsets
 [2014-01-11 22:34:41] <fred> but, you know, wins are important too
 [2014-01-11 22:34:45] <vig180> Torrey Pines is a mess because DoWon won't play anything, the team has splintered into a couple of different organizations due to liability issues and internal conflicts
 [2014-01-11 22:34:46] <samus149> livingston has always been weird
 [2014-01-11 22:34:55] <ChunkySean> yea lol
 [2014-01-11 22:34:57] <ChunkySean> again
 [2014-01-11 22:34:59] <HurrahPraga> mohan, didn't you get upgraded to charter a? or is that just for skype league
 [2014-01-11 22:35:01] <samus149> they got 2nd at scarsdale today but los t the final by over 400 points
 [2014-01-11 22:35:02] <fred> i mean, i don't see why livingston is getting votes
 [2014-01-11 22:35:09] <ChunkySean> lol its complicated...
 [2014-01-11 22:35:09] <badger> they were really inconsistent today
 [2014-01-11 22:35:12] <fred> but oh well
 [2014-01-11 22:35:13] <badger> I think they just got tired
 [2014-01-11 22:35:13] <fred> anyway
 [2014-01-11 22:35:14] <HurrahPraga> yeah, they're not exactly top 25
 [2014-01-11 22:35:15] <fred> good night
 [2014-01-11 22:35:19] <badger> They had 450+ margins all day and then tanked in the final
 [2014-01-11 22:35:21] <HurrahPraga> night
 [2014-01-11 22:35:22] <badger> but they're not top 25
 [2014-01-11 22:35:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> Later Fred.
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 [2014-01-11 22:35:26] <HurrahPraga> granted, a set
 [2014-01-11 22:35:29] <ChunkySean> lol so on IS Set, Charter B beat Livingston by 500
 [2014-01-11 22:35:34] <ChunkySean> but
 [2014-01-11 22:35:38] <ChunkySean> They have beaten our A team
 [2014-01-11 22:35:39] <ChunkySean> before
 [2014-01-11 22:35:41] <ChunkySean> so....
 [2014-01-11 22:35:42] <HurrahPraga> didn't you get promoted mohan?
 [2014-01-11 22:35:46] <ChunkySean> No
 [2014-01-11 22:35:48] <ChunkySean> well
 [2014-01-11 22:35:51] <ChunkySean> I dont want to
 [2014-01-11 22:36:02] <HurrahPraga> alright then
 [2014-01-11 22:36:06] <ChunkySean> I mean Its my spot if I would choose to take it
 [2014-01-11 22:36:10] <ChunkySean> Its like HIgh Tech last year
 [2014-01-11 22:36:16] <ChunkySean> Rohan playing on C team
 [2014-01-11 22:36:26] <HurrahPraga> yeah, that was a bit sketchy
 [2014-01-11 22:36:28] <samus149> too much northeast!
 [2014-01-11 22:36:44] <HurrahPraga> yeah, does anyone know anything more about dunbar?
 [2014-01-11 22:36:54] <ChunkySean> They are inconsistent
 [2014-01-11 22:36:55] <HurrahPraga> is dylan even in this chat anymore, or did we drive him out?
 [2014-01-11 22:36:59] <ChunkySean> but have potential i guess
 [2014-01-11 22:37:05] <christino> hang on
 [2014-01-11 22:37:20] <Dylan> no i'm here
 [2014-01-11 22:37:20] <christino> contacting kentucky kid who talks to me (kieren weisert)
 [2014-01-11 22:37:28] <Dylan> this is not my area of expertise
 [2014-01-11 22:37:29] <HurrahPraga> alright, cool
 [2014-01-11 22:37:32] <ltholden> I see Dunbar as an upset specialist basically
 [2014-01-11 22:37:48] <ChunkySean> or someone who could be upset...
 [2014-01-11 22:37:50] <LaziestUsernameEver> Same.
 [2014-01-11 22:37:53] <LaziestUsernameEver> That, too.
 [2014-01-11 22:38:09] <HurrahPraga> so not consistent enough for dark horse?
 [2014-01-11 22:38:20] <ChunkySean> dark horse contender ?
 [2014-01-11 22:38:23] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-11 22:38:23] <MattBo> man who are all these people
 [2014-01-11 22:38:37] <ChunkySean> id say probably say no, but then again who knows lol
 [2014-01-11 22:38:56] <HurrahPraga> haha fair enough, upset specialist it is
 [2014-01-11 22:38:57] <Isaack-d> Oakland mills is the ultimate dark horse
 [2014-01-11 22:38:57] <samus149> HurrahPraga - Pat, High Tech Captain, ChunkySean - Mohan, Charter B, me - Sean, High Tech
 [2014-01-11 22:39:09] <christino> they are a contender to be a dark horse, but not yet a dark horse
 [2014-01-11 22:39:10] <christino> i guess
 [2014-01-11 22:39:13] <ChunkySean> Oh hey Sean
 [2014-01-11 22:39:19] <HurrahPraga> talking about teams in kentucky we know nothing about :)
 [2014-01-11 22:39:28] <ChunkySean> ive only played them once
 [2014-01-11 22:39:34] <ChunkySean> so cant say more than what i have
 [2014-01-11 22:39:51] <LaziestUsernameEver> We still waiting on any Dunbar info?
 [2014-01-11 22:39:57] <christino> yeah carry on
 [2014-01-11 22:40:03] <Isaack-d> in fact Oakland mills might be THE NOST UNPREDICTABLE TEAM IN QUIZBOWL
 [2014-01-11 22:40:04] <christino> until the guy responds or enters this chat move on
 [2014-01-11 22:40:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> OK, next team.
 [2014-01-11 22:40:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Wilmington Charter.
 [2014-01-11 22:40:16] <ChunkySean> LOL
 [2014-01-11 22:40:22] <HurrahPraga> Charter's pretty good
 [2014-01-11 22:40:26] <LaziestUsernameEver> So Charter kids: Talk.
 [2014-01-11 22:40:30] <HurrahPraga> who's on your a team?
 [2014-01-11 22:40:31] <Dylan> they seem to have consistency problems but are pretty solid
 [2014-01-11 22:40:33] <HurrahPraga> naman does science
 [2014-01-11 22:40:37] <ChunkySean> Lol
 [2014-01-11 22:40:41] <ChunkySean> so they have some Gaps
 [2014-01-11 22:40:43] <HurrahPraga> varun is history, but really inconsistent
 [2014-01-11 22:40:45] <ChunkySean> if i am not on A team
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 [2014-01-11 22:40:55] <HurrahPraga> like, really good sometimes and then tanks
 [2014-01-11 22:40:58] <HurrahPraga> he might have improved though
 [2014-01-11 22:41:01] <HurrahPraga> since Octooer
 [2014-01-11 22:41:08] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-11 22:41:10] <ChunkySean> Varun in October
 [2014-01-11 22:41:15] <ChunkySean> had some negging problems
 [2014-01-11 22:41:22] <ChunkySean> and he was forgetting some easy stuff
 [2014-01-11 22:41:26] <ChunkySean> that he studied last year
 [2014-01-11 22:41:27] <SameenB> I've never seen Jaimie play but she puts up good stats
 [2014-01-11 22:41:34] <ChunkySean> Jaimie lol......
 [2014-01-11 22:41:36] <HurrahPraga> Jaimie's good at lit
 [2014-01-11 22:41:38] <badger> she's tricky
 [2014-01-11 22:41:40] <ChunkySean> well
 [2014-01-11 22:41:44] <ChunkySean> the thign with her is
 [2014-01-11 22:41:44] <christino> how well would you say they could do at nats?
 [2014-01-11 22:41:50] <HurrahPraga> even though charter insists she's a generalist :P
 [2014-01-11 22:41:52] <ChunkySean> She has read like a bajillion books
 [2014-01-11 22:41:58] <samus149> So...next team then
 [2014-01-11 22:42:07] <ChunkySean> but doesnt know clues
 [2014-01-11 22:42:08] <ChunkySean> yea
 [2014-01-11 22:42:13] <ChunkySean> i think we have said more than enoguh
 [2014-01-11 22:42:15] <HurrahPraga> oh, so too much real knowledge?
 [2014-01-11 22:42:18] <HurrahPraga> haha
 [2014-01-11 22:42:28] <LaziestUsernameEver> Alright, then.
 [2014-01-11 22:42:34] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next is...
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 [2014-01-11 22:42:42] <LaziestUsernameEver> St. Joseph. The NJ one.
 [2014-01-11 22:42:47] <ChunkySean> Nice
 [2014-01-11 22:42:49] <HurrahPraga> Jack is the single best player in NJ
 [2014-01-11 22:42:50] <HurrahPraga> and NY
 [2014-01-11 22:42:54] <Dylan> Jack is very good
 [2014-01-11 22:42:54] <HurrahPraga> and New England
 [2014-01-11 22:42:56] <ChunkySean> So Jack is fantastic
 [2014-01-11 22:42:56] <HurrahPraga> and probably DE
 [2014-01-11 22:43:00] <HurrahPraga> and MA
 [2014-01-11 22:43:00] <ChunkySean> he gets some help
 [2014-01-11 22:43:04] <HurrahPraga> and PA
 [2014-01-11 22:43:09] <ChunkySean> overrall a good team
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 [2014-01-11 22:43:11] <HurrahPraga> basically the single best player in the NE
 [2014-01-11 22:43:12] <Dylan> they dissappointed at nats last year though
 [2014-01-11 22:43:16] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-11 22:43:17] <Dylan> could be a warning
 [2014-01-11 22:43:21] <christino> i don't see them doing that well at nats
 [2014-01-11 22:43:21] <HurrahPraga> One man teams always do ba
 [2014-01-11 22:43:22] <HurrahPraga> *Bad
 [2014-01-11 22:43:23] <ChunkySean> we played em in consolation and lost by a TU
 [2014-01-11 22:43:25] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, that 5-5 was strange.
 [2014-01-11 22:43:25] <HurrahPraga> i think they hit that wall
 [2014-01-11 22:43:34] <ChunkySean> and charter b sucked last year
 [2014-01-11 22:43:35] <christino> maybe the level of belvidere north or something
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 [2014-01-11 22:43:36] <ChunkySean> we were terrible
 [2014-01-11 22:43:43] <Dylan> Jack was impressive at NASAT though so who knows
 [2014-01-11 22:43:46] <ChunkySean> so it seems like St Joes had problems on the harder set
 [2014-01-11 22:43:57] <ChunkySean> Maybe he needs a better team to support him
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 [2014-01-11 22:44:02] <HurrahPraga> Jack did well at NASAT though
 [2014-01-11 22:44:06] <HurrahPraga> definitely needs a better team
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 [2014-01-11 22:44:13] <HurrahPraga> they have greg, but he only does so much
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 [2014-01-11 22:44:20] <ChunkySean> Greg is history
 [2014-01-11 22:44:23] <ChunkySean> which Jack also knows
 [2014-01-11 22:44:24] <ChunkySean> so...
 [2014-01-11 22:44:25] <HurrahPraga> jack is history
 [2014-01-11 22:44:32] <samus149> St. Joes has everything except science
 [2014-01-11 22:44:35] <badger> really? he seems to do well on harder sets. whenever I've practiced with him he's just as good at acf regionals as anything else
 [2014-01-11 22:44:37] <HurrahPraga> greg doesn't really buzz when we play them
 [2014-01-11 22:44:41] <samus149> And isn't as good on higher level questions
 [2014-01-11 22:44:41] <InfiniteStryker0> seems to be a common problem
 [2014-01-11 22:45:04] <samus149> Though they do have a low neg rate I believe
 [2014-01-11 22:45:06] <ChunkySean> yes
 [2014-01-11 22:45:11] <ChunkySean> Not much science
 [2014-01-11 22:45:15] <ChunkySean> but jack doesnt neg
 [2014-01-11 22:45:20] <christino> is this a "how well teams are gonna do at nats" discussion or "let's talk about how teams are good and some gooder" discussion
 [2014-01-11 22:45:21] <ChunkySean> Anything else?
 [2014-01-11 22:45:23] <HurrahPraga> They probably hit the one man team wall at HSNCT.  playoffs for sure this year
 [2014-01-11 22:45:39] <Dylan> maybe they could benefit from being more aggressive?
 [2014-01-11 22:46:06] <samus149> Jack doesn't strike me as a guy that sits on things
 [2014-01-11 22:46:07] <HurrahPraga> it's hard to tell if Jack's buzzing when he knows the answer or if he's waiting.  he's pretty impassive
 [2014-01-11 22:46:17] <samus149> I think he's around the cap on what he's gonna know in his subjects
 [2014-01-11 22:46:28] <HurrahPraga> more players being constructive
 [2014-01-11 22:47:10] <HurrahPraga> so is that all for st. joes?
 [2014-01-11 22:47:15] <ChunkySean> I think so
 [2014-01-11 22:47:20] <christino> so "one-man team who may have hit the wall and might not do too well at nats"?
 [2014-01-11 22:47:30] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next is Carbondale.
 [2014-01-11 22:47:35] <samus149> Yeah, no more Northeast for a while
 [2014-01-11 22:47:38] <ChunkySean> Carbondale isnt that good to me
 [2014-01-11 22:47:40] <ChunkySean> really overrated
 [2014-01-11 22:47:44] <ChunkySean> as for wins
 [2014-01-11 22:47:45] <HurrahPraga> the one man team wall that everyone seems to hit
 [2014-01-11 22:47:46] <ChunkySean> PPB is solid
 [2014-01-11 22:47:56] <Dylan> Carbondale is weird
 [2014-01-11 22:48:04] <HurrahPraga> last year, at pace, carbondale got 8/10 tossups and we got 2.  we were winning at halftime
 [2014-01-11 22:48:07] <HurrahPraga> so they need better ppb
 [2014-01-11 22:48:17] <ChunkySean> This year
 [2014-01-11 22:48:18] <Dylan> I've seen them play a decent amount, they always put up bonus stats
 [2014-01-11 22:48:19] <HurrahPraga> might've fixed it though
 [2014-01-11 22:48:19] <christino> well that's what driving them up
 [2014-01-11 22:48:27] <ChunkySean> it seems they consistenly lose to not as good teams
 [2014-01-11 22:48:34] <ChunkySean> but have good PPB
 [2014-01-11 22:48:46] <Dylan> but they negged themselves out of top bracket at New Trier and then had to leave early due to weather
 [2014-01-11 22:48:53] <ChunkySean> they will probably have a decent finish at nats
 [2014-01-11 22:48:54] <HurrahPraga> oh really?  maybe that was just a weird game.  they were pretty solid last year
 [2014-01-11 22:48:56] <ChunkySean> but cud be upset
 [2014-01-11 22:48:58] <Dylan> notably they did not have their science player at New Trier
 [2014-01-11 22:48:59] <christino> this seems like a team somewhere around T-21 at hsnct
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 [2014-01-11 22:49:23] <Dylan> they only have one senior
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 [2014-01-11 22:49:44] <HurrahPraga> so still building for the future?
 [2014-01-11 22:49:46] <ChunkySean> ok
 [2014-01-11 22:50:00] <Dylan> their leading scorer at New Trier is a sophomore and improving fast\
 [2014-01-11 22:50:11] <christino> yeah jonathan huh seems good
 [2014-01-11 22:50:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> But is he playing on A or B team in the end?
 [2014-01-11 22:50:50] <Dylan> they have like 4 a-team level players pretty much
 [2014-01-11 22:51:13] <Dylan> james, prerark, and mahir are on A for sure, and idk about the fourth
 [2014-01-11 22:51:36] <christino> presumably jonathan if they want to do best at nats
 [2014-01-11 22:51:56] <Dylan> i think jonathan will be on A
 [2014-01-11 22:52:04] <christino> i don't see them pulling off any upsets
 [2014-01-11 22:52:16] <christino> dylan do you agree
 [2014-01-11 22:52:38] <Dylan> yeah they need to get it together and stop losing to teams they should be beating
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 [2014-01-11 22:52:56] <ChunkySean> anything else?
 [2014-01-11 22:53:16] <Dylan> I think I've said everything I can think of
 [2014-01-11 22:53:24] <christino> not really
 [2014-01-11 22:53:35] <christino> is someone logging this chat for later review
 [2014-01-11 22:53:59] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm taking some notes.
 [2014-01-11 22:53:59] <HurrahPraga> we could ctrl+a,c,v but that seems inefficient
 [2014-01-11 22:53:59] <ChunkySean> next team?
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 [2014-01-11 22:54:05] <LaziestUsernameEver> Not really saving chat logs.
 [2014-01-11 22:54:27] <HurrahPraga> so adlai stevenson
 [2014-01-11 22:54:28] <christino> i have a log, except my internet went out for a little bit when guilford was being discussed
 [2014-01-11 22:54:42] <LaziestUsernameEver> Cool, that's great.
 [2014-01-11 22:54:51] <LaziestUsernameEver> So yeah, Stevenson now.
 [2014-01-11 22:54:51] <Dylan> Stevenson is potentially underranked
 [2014-01-11 22:55:08] <Dylan> they play shorthanded a lot and at full strength they're almost as good as Auburn/IMSA
 [2014-01-11 22:55:31] <ChunkySean> look pretty good on stats
 [2014-01-11 22:55:47] <ChunkySean> besides that i have nothign much to say
 [2014-01-11 22:56:00] <christino> so they seem able to pull off some unexpected nats wins like they did last year
 [2014-01-11 22:56:04] <ChunkySean> could maybe be a t-8 team
 [2014-01-11 22:56:05] <ChunkySean> at hsnct
 [2014-01-11 22:56:09] <HurrahPraga> they beat imsa at early bird
 [2014-01-11 22:56:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, I see the same two people playing each time.
 [2014-01-11 22:56:20] <Dylan> yeah I can see them sneaking to T-8 ish maybe
 [2014-01-11 22:56:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> But with the third and fourth always changing.
 [2014-01-11 22:56:21] <HurrahPraga> oh by one tossup
 [2014-01-11 22:56:27] <LaziestUsernameEver> Or just not being there.
 [2014-01-11 22:56:31] <Dylan> Jason and Jeeho are the two main scorers
 [2014-01-11 22:56:47] <Dylan> Justin and Jonathan are their other a-teamers and have good niche knwledge
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 [2014-01-11 22:58:09] <LaziestUsernameEver> Anything else or should we move on?
 [2014-01-11 22:58:43] <ltholden> omg hooch
 [2014-01-11 22:59:10] <christino> doesn't seem like it
 [2014-01-11 22:59:24] <LaziestUsernameEver> So yeah, like Lee said, Chattahoochee is next.
 [2014-01-11 22:59:31] <christino> has nirav improved his negging
 [2014-01-11 22:59:38] <LaziestUsernameEver> He actually has.
 [2014-01-11 22:59:39] <ltholden> Well, they're for sure better than 17th
 [2014-01-11 22:59:40] <christino> (not by making better negs)
 [2014-01-11 22:59:51] <LaziestUsernameEver> Doesn't neg as much any more.
 [2014-01-11 23:00:02] <ltholden> I'd put them up with Albemarle
 [2014-01-11 23:00:05] <Dylan> chattahoochee is probably better than 17 especially if they have curbed their negging
 [2014-01-11 23:00:06] <ChunkySean> how did they improve so much?
 [2014-01-11 23:00:09] <LaziestUsernameEver> Nirav and James do history while Julia does lit.
 [2014-01-11 23:00:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm probably biased, but I'd say they are underranked.
 [2014-01-11 23:00:23] <ChunkySean> wasnt there B team bad last year?
 [2014-01-11 23:00:30] <ltholden> Yeah, they just don't neg against Dorman
 [2014-01-11 23:00:32] <ChunkySean> they seem to have improved a lot
 [2014-01-11 23:00:33] <LaziestUsernameEver> They weren't really bad.
 [2014-01-11 23:00:41] <LaziestUsernameEver> Well, I guess they were.
 [2014-01-11 23:00:50] <ltholden> They're only missing a good science player
 [2014-01-11 23:01:00] <ChunkySean> Oh Okay
 [2014-01-11 23:01:08] <christino> good to know for when we play them
 [2014-01-11 23:01:10] <ltholden> And they're getting better at it
 [2014-01-11 23:01:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Julia kind of had to pull a lot of weight last year on B team at HSNCT.
 [2014-01-11 23:01:20] <LaziestUsernameEver> She could have been on A team if she wanted to.
 [2014-01-11 23:01:34] <LaziestUsernameEver> She probably should have, because I choked hard.
 [2014-01-11 23:01:43] <ltholden> What team are you christino?
 [2014-01-11 23:01:47] <christino> ladue
 [2014-01-11 23:01:50] <Dylan> christino is ben zhang
 [2014-01-11 23:01:56] <LaziestUsernameEver> They actually have a somewhat decent science player now.
 [2014-01-11 23:01:59] <ltholden> oh hey ben
 [2014-01-11 23:02:02] <christino> sup
 [2014-01-11 23:02:07] <christino> i assume you're lee from dorman
 [2014-01-11 23:02:09] <LaziestUsernameEver> Well, they have two, but the person who will end up on A team is probably Amith.
 [2014-01-11 23:02:12] <ltholden> yeah
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 [2014-01-11 23:02:18] <ltholden> das me
 [2014-01-11 23:02:32] <ltholden> alex beat up chase at uk
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 [2014-01-11 23:02:47] <ltholden> but chase has this weird thing about playing amazingly sometimes and playing like poo elsewhere
 [2014-01-11 23:02:58] <ltholden> it's really an attitude thing i think
 [2014-01-11 23:03:15] <ltholden> Like Dorman CANNOT beat Hooch
 [2014-01-11 23:03:17] <ltholden> full team
 [2014-01-11 23:03:29] <ltholden> It's like their goal is to beat us
 [2014-01-11 23:03:31] <LaziestUsernameEver> I can't really explain why. That just started being a thing last year.
 [2014-01-11 23:03:38] <LaziestUsernameEver> It's the goal of EVERY Georgia team to beat Dorman.
 [2014-01-11 23:03:43] <LaziestUsernameEver> It's a thing in this state.
 [2014-01-11 23:03:44] <christino> so 'hooch is potentially a top 10 team?
 [2014-01-11 23:03:51] <ltholden> We only beat them once this year, and that was without Julia, and with a freaking tiebreaker
 [2014-01-11 23:03:53] <Dylan> i think they're underrated
 [2014-01-11 23:03:55] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm unsure about top 10.
 [2014-01-11 23:04:02] <LaziestUsernameEver> But I'd definitely say top 15.
 [2014-01-11 23:04:06] <Dylan> could surprise at nats
 [2014-01-11 23:04:07] <ChunkySean> top 15
 [2014-01-11 23:04:10] <ltholden> I say they can beat any team up to albemarle honestly.
 [2014-01-11 23:04:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> They might even crack top 10 eventually.
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 [2014-01-11 23:04:19] <ltholden> if they play like they play against dorman
 [2014-01-11 23:04:19] <LaziestUsernameEver> But not yet.
 [2014-01-11 23:04:27] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:04:30] <ltholden> Except bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:04:35] <ltholden> full bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:04:38] <LaziestUsernameEver> The next big tournament they play at is WUHSAC.
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 [2014-01-11 23:04:55] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:05:08] <christino> they'll be playing northmont and ladue there, so we'll see
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 [2014-01-11 23:05:25] <ltholden> That'll be a good test against top teams
 [2014-01-11 23:05:29] <ltholden> But don't judge us!
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 [2014-01-11 23:05:35] <ltholden> Dorman sneaky
 [2014-01-11 23:05:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> Anyway, that's all I have to say about Hooch.
 [2014-01-11 23:05:42] <Dylan> next?
 [2014-01-11 23:05:47] <HurrahPraga> dcc
 [2014-01-11 23:05:47] <samus149> DCC
 [2014-01-11 23:05:49] <LaziestUsernameEver> DCC is next.
 [2014-01-11 23:05:49] <ltholden> DCC
 [2014-01-11 23:05:50] <ChunkySean> Ok
 [2014-01-11 23:05:53] <ChunkySean> I have some comments
 [2014-01-11 23:05:55] <ltholden> Where's collin?
 [2014-01-11 23:05:55] <Dylan> good bonus stats
 [2014-01-11 23:06:03] <samus149> We played them at Princeton
 [2014-01-11 23:06:04] <ChunkySean> I think a bit overrated
 [2014-01-11 23:06:04] <HurrahPraga> they seem intent on playing the entire top 25 this year
 [2014-01-11 23:06:09] <HurrahPraga> so plenty of experience
 [2014-01-11 23:06:16] <Dylan> can't seem to get over the hump of some of the top teams
 [2014-01-11 23:06:20] <HurrahPraga> though they t everyone
 [2014-01-11 23:06:22] <samus149> They were kinda underwhelming to be honest
 [2014-01-11 23:06:23] <ltholden> When we played them they beat us on FA. That's all I remember about that game
 [2014-01-11 23:06:25] <HurrahPraga> to graduation
 [2014-01-11 23:06:25] <christino> who's this "jeff" from PHSAT
 [2014-01-11 23:06:37] <HurrahPraga> we did lose to them, though
 [2014-01-11 23:06:39] <samus149> jack i think
 [2014-01-11 23:06:40] <ChunkySean> yea, our A team (who is decent but not great) missing a player beat them at HFT
 [2014-01-11 23:06:41] <LaziestUsernameEver> Collin has more faith in this team next year than this year.
 [2014-01-11 23:06:43] <christino> ah
 [2014-01-11 23:06:48] <samus149> whoever their top scorer was
 [2014-01-11 23:06:54] <samus149> is their usual top scorer
 [2014-01-11 23:06:59] <ltholden> They're good, they're just not that good. They're definitelt going to improve
 [2014-01-11 23:07:04] <christino> yeah, they seem to be on the cusp of being a title contenter
 [2014-01-11 23:07:09] <christino> *contender
 [2014-01-11 23:07:11] <ltholden> and definitely going to be in the upper echelon next year
 [2014-01-11 23:07:14] <Dylan> they lost to a shorthanded stevenson (who is ranked below them) at NT
 [2014-01-11 23:07:15] <HurrahPraga> next year they're going to be scary
 [2014-01-11 23:07:15] <ChunkySean> Ehhh
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 [2014-01-11 23:07:26] <ChunkySean> I don't find them to be too good
 [2014-01-11 23:07:29] <HurrahPraga> and potentially a threat to most teams this year
 [2014-01-11 23:07:33] <ChunkySean> I think they are around 20th
 [2014-01-11 23:07:34] <christino> well they're definitely solid
 [2014-01-11 23:07:34] <ChunkySean> ish
 [2014-01-11 23:07:37] <HurrahPraga> not potentiall a threat
 [2014-01-11 23:07:41] <HurrahPraga> potentially an upset
 [2014-01-11 23:07:41] <Dylan> a team this good returning everyone is definitely a threat for next year
 [2014-01-11 23:07:46] <ChunkySean> Yes
 [2014-01-11 23:07:48] <samus149> They travel entirely too much
 [2014-01-11 23:07:51] <ChunkySean> next year they will be nice
 [2014-01-11 23:07:55] <HurrahPraga> they get experience for that
 [2014-01-11 23:07:56] <christino> would you say they are like high tech last year
 [2014-01-11 23:08:07] <HurrahPraga> sort of
 [2014-01-11 23:08:07] <samus149> How so?
 [2014-01-11 23:08:07] <ltholden> I mean in all honesty, knowing they'd lost a huge chunk of the A and B team from last year, they were better than I expected
 [2014-01-11 23:08:08] <Dylan> and DCC is a dynasty school so they have the resources to improve
 [2014-01-11 23:08:12] <HurrahPraga> high tech last year was year
 [2014-01-11 23:08:14] <HurrahPraga> *weird
 [2014-01-11 23:08:21] <samus149> Like streaky?
 [2014-01-11 23:08:34] <christino> i see them doing similarly well at nats
 [2014-01-11 23:08:39] <HurrahPraga> that seems fair
 [2014-01-11 23:08:43] <HurrahPraga> better than us at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:08:45] <ltholden> True, High Tech B was sososo close to beating Dorman B at hsnct
 [2014-01-11 23:08:47] <christino> yeah that definitely
 [2014-01-11 23:08:48] <HurrahPraga> and about the same at PACE
 [2014-01-11 23:08:49] <ltholden> oy I was scared
 [2014-01-11 23:08:58] <samus149> THAT GAME
 [2014-01-11 23:09:05] <samus149> you guys had to 30 that bonus to win
 [2014-01-11 23:09:05] <ltholden> we didnt play A until pace
 [2014-01-11 23:09:14] <ltholden> and I negged that stupid war of three henrys tossup
 [2014-01-11 23:09:17] <ltholden> grr
 [2014-01-11 23:09:19] <badger> that was frustrating to watch
 [2014-01-11 23:09:26] <HurrahPraga> we played that game after we lost to Montgomery on the third tiebreaker
 [2014-01-11 23:09:27] <samus149> hey rohan negged internet tax
 [2014-01-11 23:09:31] <HurrahPraga> we were wrecked
 [2014-01-11 23:09:43] <Dylan> hey now
 [2014-01-11 23:09:49] <Dylan> at least you guys made the top bracket
 [2014-01-11 23:09:53] <ChunkySean> internet tax?
 [2014-01-11 23:09:59] <HurrahPraga> oh yeah, im not complaining
 [2014-01-11 23:10:01] <ltholden> I LOvE you Dirty D
 [2014-01-11 23:10:09] <HurrahPraga> we answered like what, three tossups against dcc
 [2014-01-11 23:10:21] <ltholden> We were the bane and delight of your day all wrapped in one team of goobs
 [2014-01-11 23:10:24] <Dylan> naw that was meant to be self-pity humor
 [2014-01-11 23:10:46] <ChunkySean> anythign else about DCC?
 [2014-01-11 23:10:54] <christino> not really
 [2014-01-11 23:10:56] <samus149> DCC won our game at Princeton due to a lot of negs on my part and 4 buzzer races in their favor
 [2014-01-11 23:11:03] <ChunkySean> yea
 [2014-01-11 23:11:04] <samus149> According to my sheet
 [2014-01-11 23:11:07] <ltholden> Basically upset specialist maybe, and expect top performance next year
 [2014-01-11 23:11:10] <christino> seem to have good specialists or something, but not to the level where they'll be dominating
 [2014-01-11 23:11:17] <HurrahPraga> that seems fair
 [2014-01-11 23:11:18] <ChunkySean> our medicore A team lost to them cuz of 5 negs as well
 [2014-01-11 23:11:22] <Dylan> definitely a team on the edge of success
 [2014-01-11 23:11:23] <ChunkySean> only by 50
 [2014-01-11 23:11:30] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next is Manual.
 [2014-01-11 23:11:34] <ltholden> Some teams draw negs honestly
 [2014-01-11 23:11:42] <christino> my kentucky expert's supposedly coming in 10 or so minutes
 [2014-01-11 23:11:52] <ltholden> Like the B team would beat Northmont last year consistently as long as we didn't neg
 [2014-01-11 23:11:54] <HurrahPraga> alright, hopefully he can answer this one
 [2014-01-11 23:11:56] <ltholden> But Blizzard man
 [2014-01-11 23:12:01] <ltholden> He makes you want to neg
 [2014-01-11 23:12:03] <HurrahPraga> blizzard's OP
 [2014-01-11 23:12:23] <samus149> We played him at PACE
 [2014-01-11 23:12:24] <ltholden> I'm like 'Chase you're better at science than him stop negging;
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 [2014-01-11 23:12:30] <samus149> and we got beated pretty soundly
 [2014-01-11 23:12:39] <samus149> but he wasn't the god we thought him to be
 [2014-01-11 23:12:40] <LaziestUsernameEver> So should we skip Manual for the time being and move on to Maggie Walker?
 [2014-01-11 23:12:43] <lasakid> Yeah, he did the same thing to us at HSNCT :\
 [2014-01-11 23:12:49] <lasakid> races for years
 [2014-01-11 23:13:06] <HurrahPraga> yeah, lets leave it to the kentucky guy
 [2014-01-11 23:13:12] <HurrahPraga> mohan, have you played them this year?
 [2014-01-11 23:13:15] <ChunkySean> maggie walker seems really overrated
 [2014-01-11 23:13:17] <HurrahPraga> is sameen still around
 [2014-01-11 23:13:20] <ltholden> I've never had a game against the Blizzard where i wasn't underwhelmed in all honesty
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 [2014-01-11 23:13:25] <ltholden> But he's very very good
 [2014-01-11 23:13:29] <ltholden> I'll give him that.
 [2014-01-11 23:13:31] <ChunkySean> their power rate is not top 25 worthy....
 [2014-01-11 23:13:42] <ltholden> You cannot make mistakes with Blizzard
 [2014-01-11 23:13:47] <christino> connor wood seems solid
 [2014-01-11 23:13:48] <Dylan> Connor Wood is excellent
 [2014-01-11 23:13:56] <Dylan> I think he gets an NAQT boost
 [2014-01-11 23:13:56] <ChunkySean> Yea In his categories
 [2014-01-11 23:13:59] <ChunkySean> he is really good
 [2014-01-11 23:14:02] <ltholden> Maggie Walker is good, enough to be second in virginia
 [2014-01-11 23:14:04] <LaziestUsernameEver> But his teammates?
 [2014-01-11 23:14:08] <christino> by "good" as in defnding it against top teams?
 [2014-01-11 23:14:10] <ChunkySean> He is bad at science
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 [2014-01-11 23:14:16] <ltholden> But they can't take on a great team
 [2014-01-11 23:14:18] <ChunkySean> i mean
 [2014-01-11 23:14:20] <HurrahPraga> naqt boost still helps at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:14:24] <ChunkySean> their power rate is not that good
 [2014-01-11 23:14:26] <ChunkySean> even on NAQT
 [2014-01-11 23:14:31] <ChunkySean> PPB is good tho
 [2014-01-11 23:14:34] <ChunkySean> ill give them that
 [2014-01-11 23:14:36] <Dylan> this is not a one-man team
 [2014-01-11 23:14:43] <ChunkySean> some support
 [2014-01-11 23:14:54] <samus149> You've gotta look at regional strength when looking at power rates
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 [2014-01-11 23:15:01] <christino> it seems like they'll lose tossups to Top Teams
 [2014-01-11 23:15:06] <LaziestUsernameEver> Power rates aren't really everything.
 [2014-01-11 23:15:08] <ltholden> I definitely think they could beat some top 25 teams no problem, but yes they definitely have a science deficiency
 [2014-01-11 23:15:12] <christino> i think they're ranked pretty much where they should be
 [2014-01-11 23:15:15] <ltholden> And they're not covering it up very well
 [2014-01-11 23:15:25] <christino> if eric slept like every other high schooler he could provide some input
 [2014-01-11 23:15:28] <samus149> oh god, does that mean this year's GSAC science isn't gonna be good?
 [2014-01-11 23:15:32] <ltholden> I would drop them a little, but that's all
 [2014-01-11 23:15:40] <Dylan> I would say they're appropriately ranked
 [2014-01-11 23:15:56] <LaziestUsernameEver> I think Maggie Walker is around where they should be.
 [2014-01-11 23:15:57] <christino> the 2012 GSAC was apparently saved at the last minute by tommy casalaspi (this is anecdotal)
 [2014-01-11 23:16:02] <ltholden> I only know things about them because Dorman's played them twice in virginia.
 [2014-01-11 23:16:07] <Dylan> Connor is a junior? though
 [2014-01-11 23:16:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Connor is a junior.
 [2014-01-11 23:16:31] <ltholden> They're another team where if they can fill their gaps, they'll be back to the top next year
 [2014-01-11 23:16:34] <ChunkySean> ehh
 [2014-01-11 23:16:37] <ChunkySean> i still disagree
 [2014-01-11 23:16:42] <ltholden> But they, like DCC are a perfect example of a rebuilding team
 [2014-01-11 23:16:58] <christino> oh yeah sup nathan
 [2014-01-11 23:16:59] <ChunkySean> if you look at VCU Fall stats, they powered less than 5 in a couple games
 [2014-01-11 23:17:04] <ChunkySean> against some subpar teams
 [2014-01-11 23:17:07] <HurrahPraga> man, its scary that rebuilding teams can still crack top 25
 [2014-01-11 23:17:14] <HurrahPraga> but then there's lasa b
 [2014-01-11 23:17:26] <ltholden> Honestly, they gave us a better game than western albemarle in both of our games
 [2014-01-11 23:17:27] <LaziestUsernameEver> LASA B isn't even "rebuilding".
 [2014-01-11 23:17:29] <LaziestUsernameEver> They're, like, built.
 [2014-01-11 23:17:31] <ltholden> and albemarle beats them regularly
 [2014-01-11 23:17:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> And building more.
 [2014-01-11 23:17:36] <Dylan> that could be sitting on things
 [2014-01-11 23:17:40] <HurrahPraga> but they're still juniors
 [2014-01-11 23:17:43] <HurrahPraga> so they're building
 [2014-01-11 23:17:45] <Dylan> power rate doesn't mean THAT much
 [2014-01-11 23:17:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> I guess.
 [2014-01-11 23:17:48] <HurrahPraga> not rebuilding though
 [2014-01-11 23:17:59] <HurrahPraga> oh wait you just said that, nvm
 [2014-01-11 23:18:13] <samus149> If High Tech B were based on power rate last year, we wouldn't have been ranked
 [2014-01-11 23:18:20] <samus149> It's not the most important stat ever
 [2014-01-11 23:18:21] <ChunkySean> Well
 [2014-01-11 23:18:24] <ChunkySean> look at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:18:27] <ChunkySean> power rates
 [2014-01-11 23:18:27] <ChunkySean> true
 [2014-01-11 23:18:30] <christino> eh, if you have a lower power rate, i'm gonna think you won't necessarily be getting lots of tossups before top teams
 [2014-01-11 23:18:32] <ltholden> With Maggie Walker, it's really just up to whether the other guys like Vasa can start to fill the gaps
 [2014-01-11 23:18:47] <ChunkySean> But im saying that Maggie Walker power rate is MUCH lower than top teams
 [2014-01-11 23:18:48] <samus149> I played Vasa at history bee last year, and he owned the room
 [2014-01-11 23:18:49] <ltholden> Connor is really good at what he does, but I don't see him becoming a super broad generalist
 [2014-01-11 23:18:57] <ltholden> He likes his specialties
 [2014-01-11 23:18:57] <christino> of couse it's not necessarily true
 [2014-01-11 23:19:00] <ChunkySean> Yes
 [2014-01-11 23:19:12] <ltholden> Yeah but Vasa's not on Connor's level.
 [2014-01-11 23:19:22] <ltholden> And be and Tabitha shut out Connor
 [2014-01-11 23:19:42] <ltholden> *me
 [2014-01-11 23:19:53] <ltholden> So Maggie's good, they just need to prioritize gap filling
 [2014-01-11 23:20:05] <Dylan> next team
 [2014-01-11 23:20:12] <ltholden> They could potentially be a MUCH better team by the end of the year if they got a science player to go hard at it
 [2014-01-11 23:20:15] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next is Bellarmine.
 [2014-01-11 23:20:17] <HurrahPraga> bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:20:19] <samus149> Bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:20:21] <ltholden> Ok Bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:20:23] <HurrahPraga> do they seem underanked?
 [2014-01-11 23:20:24] <ChunkySean> so obviously under ranked
 [2014-01-11 23:20:27] <LaziestUsernameEver> Sameer has yet to play, of course.
 [2014-01-11 23:20:28] <Dylan> Sameer Rai is Sameer Rai
 [2014-01-11 23:20:34] <christino> well sameer has played jack shit
 [2014-01-11 23:20:34] <LaziestUsernameEver> Why does he not play again?
 [2014-01-11 23:20:34] <ChunkySean> not a single person on their A team has played yet
 [2014-01-11 23:20:35] <samus149> According to an unnamed Berkeley source, Sameer has improved dramatically
 [2014-01-11 23:20:38] <ChunkySean> at all this year
 [2014-01-11 23:20:41] <LaziestUsernameEver> Like, what the hell?
 [2014-01-11 23:20:43] <samus149> Though they said that last year too
 [2014-01-11 23:20:43] <christino> uh
 [2014-01-11 23:20:44] <HurrahPraga> he'll probably win history bowl by himself again
 [2014-01-11 23:20:45] <christino> that's not true
 [2014-01-11 23:20:46] <dendroicavirens> That's not right
 [2014-01-11 23:20:47] <ceilingcat> ok
 [2014-01-11 23:20:48] <ceilingcat> so
 [2014-01-11 23:20:52] <dendroicavirens> the rest of their A team has been playing
 [2014-01-11 23:20:54] <Dylan> probably the best single player in the game
 [2014-01-11 23:20:56] <ChunkySean> No
 [2014-01-11 23:20:57] <HurrahPraga> undisclosed Berkely source?
 [2014-01-11 23:20:59] <ChunkySean> Ved and Hiep havent
 [2014-01-11 23:21:03] <samus149> k it's Lukas
 [2014-01-11 23:21:09] <Dylan> i figured it was Ankit
 [2014-01-11 23:21:10] <ceilingcat> I visited Bellarmine on Thursday
 [2014-01-11 23:21:12] <HurrahPraga> i figured
 [2014-01-11 23:21:19] <ceilingcat> I played quiz bowl practice
 [2014-01-11 23:21:19] <samus149> Probably through Ankit
 [2014-01-11 23:21:20] <HurrahPraga> did you see him?
 [2014-01-11 23:21:22] <christino> well ceilingcat is ankit
 [2014-01-11 23:21:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> Who's celingcat
 [2014-01-11 23:21:24] <ceilingcat> he certainly hasn't gotten "worse"
 [2014-01-11 23:21:25] <Dylan> ankit
 [2014-01-11 23:21:27] <LaziestUsernameEver> Oh.
 [2014-01-11 23:21:34] <HurrahPraga> he was developing a bit of a neg problem last year, but he's probably fixed that
 [2014-01-11 23:21:37] <ltholden> Ankit's a hypeman though
 [2014-01-11 23:21:38] <InfiniteStryker0> hmm, pitch black is on
 [2014-01-11 23:21:39] <ceilingcat> I played him on CO and he was getting things early
 [2014-01-11 23:21:42] <christino> and denroicavirens is jeff hoppes
 [2014-01-11 23:21:49] <ltholden> Like I know Sameer's AMAZING
 [2014-01-11 23:21:53] <samus149> We played Bell twice at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:22:00] <samus149> first time we got close-ish
 [2014-01-11 23:22:01] <dendroicavirens> Keep in mind, by the way
 [2014-01-11 23:22:09] <samus149> second time they crushed us
 [2014-01-11 23:22:13] <dendroicavirens> that Sameer is an incredible player, but this is *not* a one-man team
 [2014-01-11 23:22:16] <ltholden> But a single guy can't improve his hs nats performance by that much from where he is already
 [2014-01-11 23:22:21] <ChunkySean> Ved and Hiep are solid
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 [2014-01-11 23:22:26] <lasakid> His team has a top 20 bonus conversion
 [2014-01-11 23:22:27] <ceilingcat> their A team is their A team in recent tournaments
 [2014-01-11 23:22:28] <Dylan> his teammates are quite good
 [2014-01-11 23:22:34] <christino> sup
 [2014-01-11 23:22:38] <dendroicavirens> They are working on the LASA model: reach out to middle schools, then send 4-5 teams to every tournament within reach
 [2014-01-11 23:22:39] <ceilingcat> like Ved and Hiep are no longer on A team
 [2014-01-11 23:22:45] <samus149> But is that how people voted?
 [2014-01-11 23:22:46] <ChunkySean> Oh really?
 [2014-01-11 23:22:48] <ChunkySean> okay
 [2014-01-11 23:22:48] <ltholden> Yeah I agree. But when Sameer plays, he owns the team
 [2014-01-11 23:22:49] <ceilingcat> yep
 [2014-01-11 23:22:50] <Dylan> and he had the unfortunate luck at HSNCT of being in the same bracket section as Loyola
 [2014-01-11 23:22:51] <nathanweiser> "the LASA model"
 [2014-01-11 23:22:52] <ChunkySean> I talked to Ved recently
 [2014-01-11 23:22:53] <ltholden> It lives and dies by his play
 [2014-01-11 23:22:54] <lasakid> haha
 [2014-01-11 23:22:58] <ChunkySean> didnt as him about that
 [2014-01-11 23:22:59] <ltholden> Or it has at least
 [2014-01-11 23:23:02] <ceilingcat> Alejandro and Jonchee have improved dramatically
 [2014-01-11 23:23:03] <ChunkySean> So Bryant is on A team?
 [2014-01-11 23:23:08] <ChunkySean> right I saw
 [2014-01-11 23:23:09] <ceilingcat> no it isn't
 [2014-01-11 23:23:10] <ceilingcat> I mean
 [2014-01-11 23:23:12] <christino> lasa kids are laughing at you, jeff
 [2014-01-11 23:23:24] <nathanweiser> haha I mean no offense
 [2014-01-11 23:23:25] <ChunkySean> it seemed Ved and Hiep complement Sameer well
 [2014-01-11 23:23:31] <christino> 'twas in jest
 [2014-01-11 23:23:34] <ceilingcat> no not really at all
 [2014-01-11 23:23:57] <ChunkySean> CE and Geo? Sameer told me those were his weaker points last year
 [2014-01-11 23:24:01] <ChunkySean> maybe that has changed
 [2014-01-11 23:24:03] <ceilingcat> they aren't
 [2014-01-11 23:24:08] <ceilingcat> science has always been his weak point
 [2014-01-11 23:24:18] <samus149> He beat me to 3 science tossups
 [2014-01-11 23:24:22] <ceilingcat> and this year he has legit science players
 [2014-01-11 23:24:24] <ceilingcat> backing him up
 [2014-01-11 23:24:28] <ceilingcat> it's still his weak point
 [2014-01-11 23:24:28] <ChunkySean> Oh wow
 [2014-01-11 23:24:34] <ChunkySean> Well Okay then
 [2014-01-11 23:24:37] <ceilingcat> he's way better at just about everything else
 [2014-01-11 23:24:44] <LaziestUsernameEver> What tournament is Sameer going to be at this year?
 [2014-01-11 23:24:46] <LaziestUsernameEver> Besides nats?
 [2014-01-11 23:24:47] <samus149> He did get to play us a second time by negging 7 times in the game before
 [2014-01-11 23:24:51] <ChunkySean> UCSD
 [2014-01-11 23:24:52] <ceilingcat> SUBMIT
 [2014-01-11 23:24:53] <ltholden> probably houston
 [2014-01-11 23:24:54] <ChunkySean> they are going to
 [2014-01-11 23:24:56] <ChunkySean> nope
 [2014-01-11 23:24:58] <ChunkySean> No TI
 [2014-01-11 23:25:00] <HurrahPraga> as long as he doesn't neg then
 [2014-01-11 23:25:00] <christino> what exactly was their weak point last year
 [2014-01-11 23:25:00] <ChunkySean> for Bellarmine
 [2014-01-11 23:25:01] <ceilingcat> nah, they're not going to Houston
 [2014-01-11 23:25:03] <lasakid> he's not going to TI
 [2014-01-11 23:25:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> Just SUBMIT?
 [2014-01-11 23:25:13] <ChunkySean> They are flying to UCSD
 [2014-01-11 23:25:16] <ChunkySean> Sameer is going
 [2014-01-11 23:25:24] <ChunkySean> they will see Arcadia i assume
 [2014-01-11 23:25:25] <ceilingcat> to my knowledge, they haven't submitted a Regs packet
 [2014-01-11 23:25:33] <samus149> Why doesn't he play high school?
 [2014-01-11 23:25:46] <ChunkySean> SAT prep last year
 [2014-01-11 23:25:47] <ceilingcat> he actually might play the latter two California Cup tournaments
 [2014-01-11 23:25:50] <ChunkySean> and he felt he didnt need to
 [2014-01-11 23:26:04] <HurrahPraga> he's probably legit too good for the competition
 [2014-01-11 23:26:15] <ChunkySean> essentially yea
 [2014-01-11 23:26:15] <christino> that's not a valid reason
 [2014-01-11 23:26:17] <christino> at all
 [2014-01-11 23:26:18] <ceilingcat> because I've egged him to actually come to tournaments every time I talked to him
 [2014-01-11 23:26:23] <ChunkySean> i think those are his sentiments
 [2014-01-11 23:26:26] <samus149> So are a bunch of other teams
 [2014-01-11 23:26:28] <ceilingcat> agree with Ben
 [2014-01-11 23:26:35] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-11 23:26:42] <samus149> Yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:26:43] <ChunkySean> According to one of his teammates
 [2014-01-11 23:26:44] <ceilingcat> he'll also come to History Bowl
 [2014-01-11 23:26:46] <ChunkySean> they want him to play
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 [2014-01-11 23:26:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> I mean, when Adam was at Centennial he still went to stuff.
 [2014-01-11 23:26:50] <ChunkySean> but its his decision not to
 [2014-01-11 23:26:54] <LaziestUsernameEver> Even though he wiped the floor with everyone.
 [2014-01-11 23:27:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> It's silly, honestly.
 [2014-01-11 23:27:04] <HurrahPraga> he'll probably solo history bowl again
 [2014-01-11 23:27:12] <ceilingcat> he said he won't solo history bowl
 [2014-01-11 23:27:21] <Dylan> yeah I think he probably should be playing
 [2014-01-11 23:27:24] <ChunkySean> Alright
 [2014-01-11 23:27:25] <HurrahPraga> oh really?  so he has a team now?  that's great
 [2014-01-11 23:27:29] <samus149> He's going for the 4-peat
 [2014-01-11 23:27:30] <ceilingcat> he does
 [2014-01-11 23:27:34] <christino> speaking of history bowl, ladue will attend if we don't make it to science bowl nats
 [2014-01-11 23:27:41] <ChunkySean> so I think back on track, what do u think their actual ranking is?
 [2014-01-11 23:27:48] <christino> i ranked them 6th?
 [2014-01-11 23:27:49] <ltholden> oh top 4 easy
 [2014-01-11 23:27:50] <HurrahPraga> top 5 sounds reasonable?
 [2014-01-11 23:27:54] <LaziestUsernameEver> I put them in top 4.
 [2014-01-11 23:27:55] <Dylan> man at least top 5
 [2014-01-11 23:28:02] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:28:03] <ChunkySean> Better than Dorman/HT?
 [2014-01-11 23:28:03] <samus149> If, it's just rankings, top 5
 [2014-01-11 23:28:03] <lasakid> top 4
 [2014-01-11 23:28:04] <Dylan> would not be surprised if they steal a national
 [2014-01-11 23:28:09] <samus149> if actual performance, maybe lower
 [2014-01-11 23:28:10] <ceilingcat> I think they'll be top bracket at PACE
 [2014-01-11 23:28:15] <HurrahPraga> they might be outright favored for nhbb
 [2014-01-11 23:28:18] <christino> in terms of knowledge, top 4
 [2014-01-11 23:28:26] <HurrahPraga> especially since sameer has teamates
 [2014-01-11 23:28:27] <ltholden> Dorman's top 4 too
 [2014-01-11 23:28:31] <ceilingcat> the Bellarmine backup team is very strong and are improving dramatically
 [2014-01-11 23:28:39] <christino> in terms of how well they're gonna do at nats? i think 6/7
 [2014-01-11 23:28:41] <ltholden> but yes maybe better than them
 [2014-01-11 23:28:42] <ChunkySean> I mean Ved and Hiep on B team?
 [2014-01-11 23:28:44] <christino> *bottom
 [2014-01-11 23:28:47] <ChunkySean> will Bellarmine B go to Nats?
 [2014-01-11 23:28:48] <dendroicavirens> also, the Bellarmine backup backup team
 [2014-01-11 23:28:56] <ceilingcat> yeah Ved and Hiep are on B team
 [2014-01-11 23:29:03] <ceilingcat> and the B team that's ranked like 60th
 [2014-01-11 23:29:05] <dendroicavirens> I hope so, but I haven't heard one way or the other from Coach Fleitas
 [2014-01-11 23:29:07] <ceilingcat> doesn't even include Ved and Hiep
 [2014-01-11 23:29:11] <samus149> Sameer lose things he shouldn't cause of negs, and I don't think that will get any better if he doesn't play any actual tournaments
 [2014-01-11 23:29:11] <dendroicavirens> I want them to send a C team, too
 [2014-01-11 23:29:12] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-11 23:29:15] <ltholden> Yeah the problem is sameer has the potential to tear through the tournament or play poorly in a game
 [2014-01-11 23:29:16] <ChunkySean> Ved says he was busy
 [2014-01-11 23:29:16] <samus149> But his team should help
 [2014-01-11 23:29:19] <ChunkySean> earlier this year
 [2014-01-11 23:29:32] <ChunkySean> Jarek is good
 [2014-01-11 23:29:35] <ChunkySean> and he's on C
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 [2014-01-11 23:29:37] <ceilingcat> last year, his team was unable to clean up things he didn't know
 [2014-01-11 23:29:40] <ltholden> he could very easily be anywhere from like top 10 to champion at nats
 [2014-01-11 23:29:44] <ceilingcat> yes Jarek is a superb history player
 [2014-01-11 23:29:56] <ceilingcat> he tore through history tossups at ACF Fall
 [2014-01-11 23:30:13] <ChunkySean> will they be at NHBB?
 [2014-01-11 23:30:17] <ceilingcat> yep
 [2014-01-11 23:30:18] <ChunkySean> bellarmine C/B?
 [2014-01-11 23:30:26] <ChunkySean> alright
 [2014-01-11 23:30:29] <ceilingcat> oh their B team is coming to the local regional
 [2014-01-11 23:30:31] <ChunkySean> that will be a great B team again
 [2014-01-11 23:30:39] <ceilingcat> and remember that their A team w/o Sameer beat Arcadia twice
 [2014-01-11 23:30:41] <nathanweiser> From seeing Sameer play over the summer at TQBA camp, I think he'll win history bee/bowl again, and probably make the top 4 at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:30:59] <christino> oh, the MO open that was mirrored?
 [2014-01-11 23:31:28] <christino> i heard from benji that he did very well
 [2014-01-11 23:31:29] <nathanweiser> ^and other things. like watching him beat Benji Ngyuen on CO packets
 [2014-01-11 23:31:58] <MattBo> my CO was uh
 [2014-01-11 23:31:59] <ChunkySean> alright
 [2014-01-11 23:32:00] <MattBo> not PACE
 [2014-01-11 23:32:15] <ChunkySean> do u guys want to continue?
 [2014-01-11 23:32:16] <christino> of course your tournament's not an organization
 [2014-01-11 23:32:40] <christino> hm
 [2014-01-11 23:32:52] <HurrahPraga> yeah, seems like the general consensus is that bellarmines a top 4 team
 [2014-01-11 23:32:56] <HurrahPraga> favored for NHBB
 [2014-01-11 23:32:57] <christino> at nats, do you think there's a possibility of the same factors that caused a disappointing hsnct finish
 [2014-01-11 23:32:57] <Dylan> ket's continue
 [2014-01-11 23:32:59] <christino> to come up again
 [2014-01-11 23:33:00] <HurrahPraga> and top 4 at HSNCT
 [2014-01-11 23:33:08] <LaziestUsernameEver> Western Albemarle next.
 [2014-01-11 23:33:15] <HurrahPraga> if he negs a lot
 [2014-01-11 23:33:16] <ceilingcat> yes, they still don't have a trash player
 [2014-01-11 23:33:16] <samus149> eric xu is eric xu
 [2014-01-11 23:33:16] <ltholden> Eric's good
 [2014-01-11 23:33:17] <HurrahPraga> then yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:33:20] <ceilingcat> but they won't fall into the math trap
 [2014-01-11 23:33:21] <christino> eric negs very little
 [2014-01-11 23:33:25] <InfiniteStryker0> rob's pace will certainly be nothing like Matt's CO
 [2014-01-11 23:33:41] <HurrahPraga> one man team's tend to underperform at nats
 [2014-01-11 23:33:46] <ltholden> But like most one man teams if you apply the right pressure he's an easy takedown
 [2014-01-11 23:33:47] <samus149> Does Eric have gaps in anything?
 [2014-01-11 23:33:48] <christino> is rob following your philosophy from last year
 [2014-01-11 23:33:50] <christino> science
 [2014-01-11 23:33:58] <InfiniteStryker0> stephen's editing that
 [2014-01-11 23:33:58] <HurrahPraga> CE/Geo
 [2014-01-11 23:33:59] <Dylan> Eric's quite good but
 [2014-01-11 23:34:02] <HurrahPraga> according to him
 [2014-01-11 23:34:03] <ltholden> I think he's a fantastic individual player and he's super fast
 [2014-01-11 23:34:04] <samus149> That seems to be a common answer today...
 [2014-01-11 23:34:08] <christino> though he says he's having another teammate learn it
 [2014-01-11 23:34:21] <christino> aka someone competent in science, maybe nor maybe not so in quizbowl
 [2014-01-11 23:34:30] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-11 23:34:33] <ChunkySean> Science Weakness
 [2014-01-11 23:34:35] <ltholden> But he can't compete super well against the top-level teams
 [2014-01-11 23:34:36] <ChunkySean> definetly
 [2014-01-11 23:34:41] <ChunkySean> crazy good on Music however
 [2014-01-11 23:34:44] <HurrahPraga> didn't he get like 200 points against UVA
 [2014-01-11 23:34:45] <Dylan> doesn't he pretty consistently lose to RM?
 [2014-01-11 23:34:55] <ChunkySean> I have comments on RM...
 [2014-01-11 23:34:57] <christino> no
 [2014-01-11 23:35:00] <ChunkySean> read for them multiple times
 [2014-01-11 23:35:00] <samus149> Yeah on MFT
 [2014-01-11 23:35:03] <ChunkySean> at our tournament
 [2014-01-11 23:35:06] <christino> he beat RM today on BISB twice
 [2014-01-11 23:35:20] <LaziestUsernameEver> But didn't he get beat pretty badly on GSAC?
 [2014-01-11 23:35:20] <christino> though i suspect RM A was shorthanded
 [2014-01-11 23:35:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> By RM?
 [2014-01-11 23:35:26] <ChunkySean> No
 [2014-01-11 23:35:28] <ChunkySean> RM was full
 [2014-01-11 23:35:29] <knightaa> actually, we weren't
 [2014-01-11 23:35:31] <ChunkySean> complete team
 [2014-01-11 23:35:33] <ChunkySean> at BISB
 [2014-01-11 23:35:36] <christino> ah
 [2014-01-11 23:35:49] <ChunkySean> When we move on to them
 [2014-01-11 23:35:54] <ChunkySean> I will discuss them more
 [2014-01-11 23:35:56] <christino> i have a feeling he's gonna do much better at NSC
 [2014-01-11 23:36:07] <HurrahPraga> that seems fair
 [2014-01-11 23:36:16] <christino> actually
 [2014-01-11 23:36:28] <christino> since he's fast, hsnct may be a wildcard
 [2014-01-11 23:36:39] <christino> alright
 [2014-01-11 23:36:39] <Dylan> he could make a belvidere-north esque saturday run at hsnct
 [2014-01-11 23:36:44] <christino> the kentucky guy is here
 [2014-01-11 23:36:47] <ltholden> I personally think hsnct will be his best play
 [2014-01-11 23:36:54] <christino> KierenWeisert: what do you have to say about dunbar and manual
 [2014-01-11 23:36:56] <christino> especially manual
 [2014-01-11 23:37:05] <LaziestUsernameEver> Ooh, OK. Manual now.
 [2014-01-11 23:37:07] <LaziestUsernameEver> Going back a bit.
 [2014-01-11 23:37:52] <KierenWeisert> Manual is probably over ranked tbh
 [2014-01-11 23:38:17] <christino> for what reason?
 [2014-01-11 23:38:23] <KierenWeisert> Powering mostly
 [2014-01-11 23:38:28] <LaziestUsernameEver> They didn't make top bracket at UK.
 [2014-01-11 23:38:29] <KierenWeisert> they will have a good bonus percentage
 [2014-01-11 23:38:30] <ltholden> agreed
 [2014-01-11 23:38:36] <KierenWeisert> but I doubt they can get tossup against high level teams
 [2014-01-11 23:38:40] <KierenWeisert> tossups*
 [2014-01-11 23:38:52] <christino> ah
 [2014-01-11 23:38:54] <KierenWeisert> Depth seems to be the issue
 [2014-01-11 23:39:19] <KierenWeisert> Dunbar should be ranked ahead in my opinion
 [2014-01-11 23:39:38] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, anything more specific on Dunbar?
 [2014-01-11 23:40:05] <KierenWeisert> Dunbar is sort of like Dupont in that no one is really a world beater in terms of depth
 [2014-01-11 23:40:11] <KierenWeisert> but I feel like they won't be as easily exposed
 [2014-01-11 23:40:29] <KierenWeisert> one area of concern for both teams
 [2014-01-11 23:40:30] <KierenWeisert> is history
 [2014-01-11 23:40:56] <LaziestUsernameEver> Huh. What do you think about Dunbar's ranking?
 [2014-01-11 23:40:59] <ChunkySean> Yep
 [2014-01-11 23:41:04] <ChunkySean> Im not that good at history
 [2014-01-11 23:41:08] <HurrahPraga> .
 [2014-01-11 23:41:10] <ChunkySean> I believe i took 3/4 against Dunbar A
 [2014-01-11 23:41:18] <HurrahPraga> oops, ignore that
 [2014-01-11 23:41:23] <ChunkySean> so that seems to be a weak point
 [2014-01-11 23:41:32] <ChunkySean> They were good on Paintings
 [2014-01-11 23:41:37] <ChunkySean> Decent on Lit
 [2014-01-11 23:41:41] <KierenWeisert> I would put Dunbar at 19
 [2014-01-11 23:41:44] <ChunkySean> and Decent on Science
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 [2014-01-11 23:42:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> OK, cool, thanks.
 [2014-01-11 23:42:13] <KierenWeisert> and slide DuPont to 25. I feel that ppb masks their low power percentage comparatively
 [2014-01-11 23:43:10] <christino> thanks for the commentary on kentucky
 [2014-01-11 23:43:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, that was some good stuff.
 [2014-01-11 23:43:42] <KierenWeisert> also. why is gatton not ranked?
 [2014-01-11 23:43:55] <HurrahPraga> it was a poll
 [2014-01-11 23:43:56] <christino> people didn't include them in polls
 [2014-01-11 23:43:58] <LaziestUsernameEver> I ranked Gatton, dunno what other people did.
 [2014-01-11 23:44:12] <christino> i think their name recognition was insufficient
 [2014-01-11 23:44:18] <LaziestUsernameEver> Anyway, back to Western Albemarle.
 [2014-01-11 23:44:19] <ltholden> true
 [2014-01-11 23:44:19] <christino> which is a big factor in the polls
 [2014-01-11 23:44:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> Or RM.
 [2014-01-11 23:44:27] <ChunkySean> ok
 [2014-01-11 23:44:29] <ChunkySean> RM
 [2014-01-11 23:44:30] <samus149> Yeah, RM
 [2014-01-11 23:44:33] <christino> i think we have enough on WA
 [2014-01-11 23:44:33] <ChunkySean> so i modded 5 games for them
 [2014-01-11 23:44:34] <ltholden> I didn't rank them because i didn't research the last ten or so really
 [2014-01-11 23:44:35] <LaziestUsernameEver> RM it is.
 [2014-01-11 23:44:39] <ChunkySean> and watched another 2 finals matches
 [2014-01-11 23:44:40] <knightaa> that's us
 [2014-01-11 23:44:51] <ChunkySean> They seemed decent
 [2014-01-11 23:44:54] <ChunkySean> a good team
 [2014-01-11 23:45:02] <ChunkySean> but I think they are overranked at this point
 [2014-01-11 23:45:06] <ChunkySean> Great PPB numbers
 [2014-01-11 23:45:20] <ChunkySean> but their buzzes weren't particularly impressive
 [2014-01-11 23:45:32] <Dylan> they've improved fast since last year. if they haven't hit the ceiling yet they could be even better come nats
 [2014-01-11 23:45:40] <ChunkySean> agree with that
 [2014-01-11 23:45:41] <christino> haha david madden
 [2014-01-11 23:45:42] <christino> Don't under any circumstances switch players between teams during a tournament - this is not allowed in NHBB (or basically anywhere else). In NHBB, a player can jump in mid-tournament to a team, as long as they have not had 6 players total, but only if they have not yet played for any team. And no, you cannot switch players from a Varsity team to a JV team for the playoffs. Once you play for...
 [2014-01-11 23:45:42] <christino> ...a team, you're stuck with them for that day at least.
 [2014-01-11 23:45:44] <ChunkySean> Gabe is a great player
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 [2014-01-11 23:45:49] <samus149> When did you mod for them?
 [2014-01-11 23:45:54] <knightaa> i'm riddled with gaps
 [2014-01-11 23:46:01] <ChunkySean> CSWIFT
 [2014-01-11 23:46:05] <ChunkySean> well
 [2014-01-11 23:46:08] <ChunkySean> History
 [2014-01-11 23:46:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Lol NHBB.
 [2014-01-11 23:46:17] <HurrahPraga> haha
 [2014-01-11 23:46:20] <ChunkySean> buzzes were not that good in history or science
 [2014-01-11 23:46:22] <ChunkySean> for RM
 [2014-01-11 23:46:27] <ChunkySean> Paintings and Lit was pretty good
 [2014-01-11 23:46:37] <ChunkySean> they had an amazing CE player
 [2014-01-11 23:46:42] <ChunkySean> so they get an NAQT boost
 [2014-01-11 23:46:48] <ChunkySean> and bonus conversion was impressive
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 [2014-01-11 23:47:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Gabe's a junior, right?
 [2014-01-11 23:47:17] <ChunkySean> yea
 [2014-01-11 23:47:19] <knightaa> yes
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 [2014-01-11 23:47:30] <LaziestUsernameEver> Oh, so I guess you're Gabe, knightaa?
 [2014-01-11 23:47:38] <knightaa> yes
 [2014-01-11 23:47:53] <ChunkySean> what do u think about my comments?
 [2014-01-11 23:47:59] <knightaa> they seem true
 [2014-01-11 23:48:01] <ChunkySean> anything you disagree with?
 [2014-01-11 23:48:07] <ChunkySean> and obviously this is october
 [2014-01-11 23:48:12] <ChunkySean> and seeing your summer improvement
 [2014-01-11 23:48:17] <ChunkySean> You are probably much better
 [2014-01-11 23:48:20] <ChunkySean> at this point
 [2014-01-11 23:48:26] <knightaa> i mean...
 [2014-01-11 23:48:34] <knightaa> just from today's stats you can see how inconsistent we are
 [2014-01-11 23:49:16] <LaziestUsernameEver> Losing to your own B teams is always rough.
 [2014-01-11 23:49:32] <ChunkySean> right now, id probably say around 20th ranking, but with the potential to go up to around 10th if they continue improving
 [2014-01-11 23:49:36] <knightaa> more like
 [2014-01-11 23:49:38] <ChunkySean> and if Gabe's teammates study
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 [2014-01-11 23:49:57] <knightaa> losing to half of our B team and one person I asked the night before after someone got sick
 [2014-01-11 23:50:02] <knightaa> but yeah
 [2014-01-11 23:50:18] <christino> what did you think of BISB?
 [2014-01-11 23:50:26] <knightaa> ehh
 [2014-01-11 23:50:34] <christino> especially bonus-wise
 [2014-01-11 23:50:36] <knightaa> it was interesting
 [2014-01-11 23:50:38] <ChunkySean> some interesting questions
 [2014-01-11 23:50:49] <LaziestUsernameEver> Adam seems proud of BISB, but I've heard varying opinions on it.
 [2014-01-11 23:50:55] <samus149> "interesting"
 [2014-01-11 23:50:59] <christino> because then we can make better sense of oak ridge's 25 ppb
 [2014-01-11 23:51:01] <knightaa> many common links
 [2014-01-11 23:51:05] <ChunkySean> I liked the answer lines
 [2014-01-11 23:51:11] <ChunkySean> Bonuses were a bit stockish
 [2014-01-11 23:51:18] <ChunkySean> I mean Charter never studied bonuses until recently
 [2014-01-11 23:51:21] <ChunkySean> and now we realize
 [2014-01-11 23:51:28] <ChunkySean> how predictable bisb was
 [2014-01-11 23:51:53] <ceilingcat> I don't think emulating common bonus forms can be described as "stockish"
 [2014-01-11 23:52:07] <LaziestUsernameEver> Adam does have his "ask about things high schoolers learn in HS" policy, which may make things a little easier.
 [2014-01-11 23:52:09] <ChunkySean> If you study bonuses and packets, you can pretty much predict the 2nd and 3rd parts
 [2014-01-11 23:52:17] <knightaa> mmm
 [2014-01-11 23:52:20] <LaziestUsernameEver> But when he playtested them in Tech practices...
 [2014-01-11 23:52:25] <LaziestUsernameEver> They didn't seem very "stockish".
 [2014-01-11 23:52:33] <knightaa> there were some where he really went in on standard anwers
 [2014-01-11 23:52:37] <ceilingcat> yeah they're not
 [2014-01-11 23:52:38] <ChunkySean> Ok thats not the right words
 [2014-01-11 23:52:42] <ChunkySean> well yea
 [2014-01-11 23:52:43] <ChunkySean> some of them
 [2014-01-11 23:52:47] <ChunkySean> were completely unique
 [2014-01-11 23:52:48] <ceilingcat> it was just very canonical
 [2014-01-11 23:52:52] <ChunkySean> Well
 [2014-01-11 23:52:53] <ceilingcat> for the most part
 [2014-01-11 23:52:59] <ChunkySean> the bonuses that had typical 1st parts
 [2014-01-11 23:53:07] <ChunkySean> you would be able to predict the rest of the bonus
 [2014-01-11 23:53:12] <knightaa> also history was tilted modern?
 [2014-01-11 23:53:14] <ChunkySean> while other bonuses were more unqiue
 [2014-01-11 23:53:17] <ceilingcat> that's not a bad thing
 [2014-01-11 23:53:22] <ChunkySean> Not complaining
 [2014-01-11 23:53:26] <ChunkySean> just an observation
 [2014-01-11 23:53:27] <knightaa> perhaps
 [2014-01-11 23:53:30] <christino> ok
 [2014-01-11 23:53:31] <christino> moving on
 [2014-01-11 23:53:35] <ChunkySean> i mean 3rd parts could have been more creative
 [2014-01-11 23:53:36] <christino> more about RM?
 [2014-01-11 23:53:37] <ChunkySean> for some
 [2014-01-11 23:53:38] <LaziestUsernameEver> Next is Auburn.
 [2014-01-11 23:53:40] <ceilingcat> btw BISB is where Arcadia got their super high PPB
 [2014-01-11 23:53:41] <samus149> top 10 here we come
 [2014-01-11 23:53:47] <HurrahPraga> good football team
 [2014-01-11 23:53:54] <LaziestUsernameEver> Lol.
 [2014-01-11 23:54:03] <lasakid> fantastic field goal
 [2014-01-11 23:54:04] <HurrahPraga> that alabama game was amazing
 [2014-01-11 23:54:09] <ChunkySean> lol
 [2014-01-11 23:54:11] <Dylan> Evan is studying at an obscene rate
 [2014-01-11 23:54:13] <ChunkySean> and the Georgia game
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 [2014-01-11 23:54:15] <samus149> Quackadilly Blipp is on their team
 [2014-01-11 23:54:19] <ChunkySean> how does he even study????
 [2014-01-11 23:54:20] <Dylan> i don't know if it's sustainable
 [2014-01-11 23:54:22] <ChunkySean> i have no idea
 [2014-01-11 23:54:29] <ChunkySean> how you can improve that quickly?
 [2014-01-11 23:54:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> I pretty much hate Alabama after their terrible DRAGOON mirror, so I was happy about them losing.
 [2014-01-11 23:54:37] <ltholden> Ok Auburn. From what I saw from last year, they've still got some top notch players, and Evan's getting better and better
 [2014-01-11 23:54:54] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, Evan has improved massively.
 [2014-01-11 23:55:00] <ltholden> Like they could potentially be consistently better than IMSA by the end of the year
 [2014-01-11 23:55:12] <HurrahPraga> are they studying that fast?  that's insane
 [2014-01-11 23:55:12] <ltholden> They could definitely threaten the top notch teams
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 [2014-01-11 23:55:19] <Dylan> they do this thing where they drop to inferior teams sometimes but that seems to have gone away
 [2014-01-11 23:55:29] <ChunkySean> Pat take a look at the illinois thread
 [2014-01-11 23:55:30] <ChunkySean> on HSQB
 [2014-01-11 23:55:31] <ltholden> They did that last year too.
 [2014-01-11 23:55:37] <HurrahPraga> right, going there
 [2014-01-11 23:55:52] <ltholden> Again, only played at two tournaments directly against them though
 [2014-01-11 23:55:57] <ltholden> and that was last year
 [2014-01-11 23:56:04] <Dylan> they're definitely VERY different from last year
 [2014-01-11 23:56:10] <ChunkySean> what are these shady techniques
 [2014-01-11 23:56:15] <ChunkySean> that let u improve that fast
 [2014-01-11 23:56:22] <ChunkySean> he is really efficient?
 [2014-01-11 23:56:27] <Dylan> Evan makes obscene amounts of notecards
 [2014-01-11 23:56:30] <ChunkySean> or just puts a ton on time in?
 [2014-01-11 23:56:31] <ltholden> He's reading all the books
 [2014-01-11 23:56:38] <ltholden> learning all the sciences
 [2014-01-11 23:56:43] <HurrahPraga> 50 ppg in two months! 0.0
 [2014-01-11 23:56:47] <ltholden> listening to all the lectures
 [2014-01-11 23:56:52] <ltholden> taking all the notes
 [2014-01-11 23:56:53] <christino> snatchin' those tossups
 [2014-01-11 23:56:55] <ltholden> reviewing
 [2014-01-11 23:56:57] <ltholden> reviewing
 [2014-01-11 23:57:00] <ltholden> REVIEWING
 [2014-01-11 23:57:02] <samus149> Please tell me he has a science gap
 [2014-01-11 23:57:05] <christino> anyway on-top
 [2014-01-11 23:57:07] <Dylan> he claims they're better at harder questions but I doubt that
 [2014-01-11 23:57:07] <christino> topic
 [2014-01-11 23:57:14] <Dylan> SCIENCE is their weakest subject by far
 [2014-01-11 23:57:24] <samus149> dammit quizbowl
 [2014-01-11 23:57:25] <ltholden> Yeah I don't see that, though that is a common thing amongst some teams
 [2014-01-11 23:57:40] <Dylan> it was my thing too
 [2014-01-11 23:57:42] <ltholden> They play consistently better the harder the set gets to a certain point
 [2014-01-11 23:58:15] <Dylan> I could see Auburn getting somewhere around 10th at Nats but not much better
 [2014-01-11 23:58:21] <christino> yeah, in between "losing buzzer races" and "not knowing stuff"
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 [2014-01-11 23:59:24] <Dylan> uhhhh, next?
 [2014-01-11 23:59:28] <christino> northmont
 [2014-01-11 23:59:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> I honestly think Northmont is not a top 10 team.
 [2014-01-11 23:59:39] <nathanweiser> sam blizzard is good at quiz bowl
 [2014-01-11 23:59:41] <ltholden> Sammy B
 [2014-01-11 23:59:42] <ChunkySean> same
 [2014-01-11 23:59:42] <samus149> quite
 [2014-01-11 23:59:49] <ChunkySean> Sam is good
 [2014-01-11 23:59:53] <samus149> He keeps getting better
 [2014-01-11 23:59:54] <nathanweiser> I disagree I think they'll be top 10 at both
 [2014-01-11 23:59:55] <LaziestUsernameEver> Sam is good, no question.
 [2014-01-11 23:59:56] <ChunkySean> but not as good as Eric Xu i think
 [2014-01-11 23:59:58] <LaziestUsernameEver> But not that good.
 [2014-01-11 23:59:59] <LaziestUsernameEver> Not yet.
 [2014-01-12 00:00:01] <christino> i get the feeling that if you're not careful, he'll beat you
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 [2014-01-12 00:00:08] <ChunkySean> yes
 [2014-01-12 00:00:09] <christino> but he's not good enough to consistently beat top 10 teams?
 [2014-01-12 00:00:10] <ltholden> I think he's good, and by the end of the year he'll be even better
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 [2014-01-12 00:00:15] <ChunkySean> he baits u into negging
 [2014-01-12 00:00:17] <ChunkySean> sometimes
 [2014-01-12 00:00:19] <ltholden> But he's not as deep as Xu
 [2014-01-12 00:00:21] <HurrahPraga> so it boils down to "how good do you think sam blizzard is?"
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 [2014-01-12 00:00:23] <ltholden> but he's broader
 [2014-01-12 00:00:26] <ltholden> That's his thing
 [2014-01-12 00:00:35] <ltholden> He can put up mad points on lower level teams
 [2014-01-12 00:00:40] <ChunkySean> yea
 [2014-01-12 00:00:43] <Dylan> Sam is very good at clubbing baby seals
 [2014-01-12 00:00:52] <ltholden> But as the difficulty gets higher and teams gets better he loses his thunder
 [2014-01-12 00:00:56] <Dylan> like idk about him
 [2014-01-12 00:00:58] <christino> e
 [2014-01-12 00:01:02] <christino> not necessarily
 [2014-01-12 00:01:05] <christino> he did well at NASAT
 [2014-01-12 00:01:06] <ltholden> just look at the difference between midwest championship and wildcat last year
 [2014-01-12 00:01:10] <samus149> He's beaten DCC and Dorman
 [2014-01-12 00:01:11] <Dylan> he beat me at ACF Fall if that's notable for anybody
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 [2014-01-12 00:01:27] <ltholden> Dorman was not on their game at all at uk
 [2014-01-12 00:01:32] <nathanweiser> last year at ACF Regionals he beat a shorthanded LASA A
 [2014-01-12 00:01:33] <ltholden> That's all I can really say about that
 [2014-01-12 00:01:41] <christino> he's playing 'hooch at WUHSAC
 [2014-01-12 00:01:43] <samus149> Not a lot of negs either
 [2014-01-12 00:01:45] <nathanweiser> so I wouldn't say he's bad at upper level tournaments
 [2014-01-12 00:01:52] <ltholden> He's not bad no
 [2014-01-12 00:01:53] <lasakid> and took down last year's LASA B at HSNCT
 [2014-01-12 00:01:54] <Dylan> that's his best attribute he doesn't neg
 [2014-01-12 00:01:55] <HurrahPraga> he seems at least top 10
 [2014-01-12 00:01:59] <LaziestUsernameEver> How are his teammates? Or is it just Sam all day?
 [2014-01-12 00:02:04] <ltholden> But he's a bit streakyt
 [2014-01-12 00:02:10] <Dylan> his teammates are nothing impressive from what i've seen
 [2014-01-12 00:02:12] <samus149> Essentially Sam
 [2014-01-12 00:02:18] <christino> is tori amos still there?
 [2014-01-12 00:02:20] <ltholden> Tori put up some points last year, but this year its really just him alone now
 [2014-01-12 00:02:27] <christino> i see
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 [2014-01-12 00:02:35] <LaziestUsernameEver> Tori is still there, IIRC.
 [2014-01-12 00:02:39] <LaziestUsernameEver> Not 100% sure, though.
 [2014-01-12 00:02:54] <ltholden> I mean either way it's the blizzard show
 [2014-01-12 00:03:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, pretty much.
 [2014-01-12 00:03:03] <Dylan> I don't know if sam has gotten much better from last year tbh
 [2014-01-12 00:03:10] <ChunkySean> i think knowledge wise
 [2014-01-12 00:03:12] <ChunkySean> he is not top 10
 [2014-01-12 00:03:14] <ltholden> And I think he'll definitely be a top contender next year
 [2014-01-12 00:03:17] <ChunkySean> but due to his experience
 [2014-01-12 00:03:19] <ChunkySean> and breadth
 [2014-01-12 00:03:24] <ltholden> But depth wise, I don't believe he can win
 [2014-01-12 00:03:25] <christino> yeah i've gotten the feeling that he's hit a ceiling in terms of improvement
 [2014-01-12 00:03:26] <ChunkySean> and buzzer speed
 [2014-01-12 00:03:35] <ChunkySean> he can finish top 10
 [2014-01-12 00:03:35] <ltholden> but upsets? you bet
 [2014-01-12 00:03:38] <christino> or at least, plateaued
 [2014-01-12 00:03:39] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:03:43] <ChunkySean> but based on knowledge i dont think he is top 10
 [2014-01-12 00:03:57] <samus149> He might need teammates for super high placement, but he has upset potential
 [2014-01-12 00:04:08] <christino> he did very disappointingly at NSC
 [2014-01-12 00:04:12] <Dylan> yeah he also has potential to hit a bad packet and take a bad loss
 [2014-01-12 00:04:30] <samus149> I remember he got something like 15 tossups against us and barely powered
 [2014-01-12 00:04:45] <ltholden> I said this in a different thread, but I've always found it easy to neg against him too
 [2014-01-12 00:04:48] <Dylan> didn't he get the same placement-ish at HSNCT and NSC?
 [2014-01-12 00:04:48] <ChunkySean> yea he doesnt power as much as he should
 [2014-01-12 00:05:01] <ltholden> Like you expect him to get in early because of all the ppg he puts up, that you neg
 [2014-01-12 00:05:03] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, his final placings were around the same.
 [2014-01-12 00:05:09] <ltholden> This was my experience last year at least
 [2014-01-12 00:05:19] <ChunkySean> I agree with holden
 [2014-01-12 00:05:30] <samus149> he got t-19th at NSC
 [2014-01-12 00:05:32] <Dylan> that's a good assessment of blizzard
 [2014-01-12 00:05:47] <Dylan> oh hey i tied with him at NSC funny
 [2014-01-12 00:05:58] <ltholden> DIRTY D
 [2014-01-12 00:06:03] <ltholden> luv u
 [2014-01-12 00:06:08] <christino> shouldn't have lost to lasa b
 [2014-01-12 00:06:20] <christino> wait nvm
 [2014-01-12 00:06:37] <LaziestUsernameEver> So next team?
 [2014-01-12 00:06:48] <christino> arcadia
 [2014-01-12 00:06:48] <samus149> arcadia
 [2014-01-12 00:06:52] <christino> negging problem
 [2014-01-12 00:06:57] <LaziestUsernameEver> Definitely.
 [2014-01-12 00:06:58] <HurrahPraga> they put up some ridiculous power rates
 [2014-01-12 00:07:00] <christino> ankit, mind providing us with some more insights
 [2014-01-12 00:07:05] <Dylan> could dissappoint like they did last year
 [2014-01-12 00:07:07] <samus149> that PPB at the start of the year
 [2014-01-12 00:07:16] <christino> yeah they put up the highest PPB on IS-128
 [2014-01-12 00:07:37] <christino> justin nghiem put up something like 31/8/1 or something
 [2014-01-12 00:07:51] <samus149> hot damn
 [2014-01-12 00:07:51] <ChunkySean> how do they split the subjects?
 [2014-01-12 00:07:53] <vig180> Arcadia has a history of choking in big matches
 [2014-01-12 00:08:01] <vig180> and underperforming at nationals
 [2014-01-12 00:08:06] <vig180> possibly because they emphasize packet studying
 [2014-01-12 00:08:24] <ChunkySean> they have that one generalist guy
 [2014-01-12 00:08:29] <christino> boyang jiao
 [2014-01-12 00:08:31] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:08:33] <vig180> last year there was some intra-team discord because
 [2014-01-12 00:08:39] <christino> he and kevin seem to neg
 [2014-01-12 00:08:41] <ltholden> explain to me the deficits of packet studying
 [2014-01-12 00:08:41] <ChunkySean> and then a few specialists right?
 [2014-01-12 00:08:49] <ltholden> I'm actually curious
 [2014-01-12 00:08:52] <HurrahPraga> is the discord gone now?
 [2014-01-12 00:08:53] <christino> 1. it's retroactive studying
 [2014-01-12 00:08:56] <vig180> good question
 [2014-01-12 00:09:07] <christino> you study what has come up in the past, in hopes it might come up in the future
 [2014-01-12 00:09:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Discord because ... ?
 [2014-01-12 00:09:14] <HurrahPraga> so that's a question mark
 [2014-01-12 00:09:15] <Dylan> there's a more finite limit to things you can learn packet studying
 [2014-01-12 00:09:16] <christino> except that's not how writers (should) write their questions
 [2014-01-12 00:09:23] <samus149> packet studying is good for packets written by bad writers
 [2014-01-12 00:09:29] <samus149> cause they write from those packets
 [2014-01-12 00:09:35] <samus149> and then there's an infinite loop
 [2014-01-12 00:09:40] <HurrahPraga> doesn't NHBB repeat questions like crazy
 [2014-01-12 00:09:47] <HurrahPraga> or at least answer lines
 [2014-01-12 00:09:47] <ChunkySean> somewhat
 [2014-01-12 00:09:52] <ltholden> So like the suggestion is, like, read books?
 [2014-01-12 00:09:53] <vig180> they had 3 specialists who covered most of the subjects and then a generalist who would try to buzz in before them and often negged
 [2014-01-12 00:09:55] <LaziestUsernameEver> HFT repeated questions like crazy.
 [2014-01-12 00:10:02] <ChunkySean> the History guy at charter told me to use wiki + NHBB packets
 [2014-01-12 00:10:07] <ltholden> I'm actually super curious since Dorman does like heavy database work
 [2014-01-12 00:10:18] <christino> as someone once said on the forums
 [2014-01-12 00:10:26] <christino> wikipedia is better than it should be for studying
 [2014-01-12 00:10:36] <vig180> Dorman does best when they have players with real knowledge/passion for their subjects too
 [2014-01-12 00:10:38] <christino> because it is more often a source for writers
 [2014-01-12 00:10:43] <Dylan> I use packet studying as a core but for early clues primary sources are king
 [2014-01-12 00:10:45] <samus149> Wikipedia is beautiful for studying
 [2014-01-12 00:10:53] <samus149> Wikipedia is essentially real knowledge
 [2014-01-12 00:10:57] <ChunkySean> right
 [2014-01-12 00:11:01] <ChunkySean> and u can predict clues
 [2014-01-12 00:11:02] <ChunkySean> from there
 [2014-01-12 00:11:05] <HurrahPraga> somewhat
 [2014-01-12 00:11:08] <Dylan> wiki is also a solid studying tool, unfortunately
 [2014-01-12 00:11:09] <ChunkySean> its cool
 [2014-01-12 00:11:11] <ChunkySean> when that happens
 [2014-01-12 00:11:13] <ltholden> I mean I agree with you guys
 [2014-01-12 00:11:16] <christino> alright
 [2014-01-12 00:11:19] <christino> back on track
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 [2014-01-12 00:11:38] <samus149> But yeah Arcadia, quite good
 [2014-01-12 00:11:40] <christino> so does arcadia have upset potential, or are they more likely to commit suicide in those matches?
 [2014-01-12 00:11:41] <ltholden> indeed
 [2014-01-12 00:11:45] <LaziestUsernameEver> So is Arcadia on track to disappoint again?
 [2014-01-12 00:11:58] <Dylan> i think they have a good chance of dissappointing
 [2014-01-12 00:12:02] <vig180> they're going to lose a heartbreaker to someone they shouldn't in the playoffs
 [2014-01-12 00:12:11] <christino> sounds like dorman
 [2014-01-12 00:12:16] <samus149> They're gonna place below top 10 I think
 [2014-01-12 00:12:23] <LaziestUsernameEver> But better than last year?
 [2014-01-12 00:12:25] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:12:26] <ltholden> ahh dorman
 [2014-01-12 00:12:27] <samus149> Definitely
 [2014-01-12 00:12:40] <christino> dorman should repeat its performance in 2011
 [2014-01-12 00:12:44] <ltholden> We've never been as good as we should but we're always pretty darn good
 [2014-01-12 00:12:44] <vig180> I'd be intereted in seeing if they play more college-level events and try to seek out tougher competition in say, Texas at some point
 [2014-01-12 00:12:44] <christino> if you know what i mean
 [2014-01-12 00:12:53] <LaziestUsernameEver> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
 [2014-01-12 00:12:59] <ChunkySean> they are playing Sameer
 [2014-01-12 00:13:01] <ChunkySean> at UCSD
 [2014-01-12 00:13:02] <LaziestUsernameEver> That 2011 HSNCT.
 [2014-01-12 00:13:07] <ltholden> i like the win all on saturday part
 [2014-01-12 00:13:12] <vig180> Sameer is actually playing a tournament?
 [2014-01-12 00:13:15] <nathanweiser> I heard a rumor Arcadia might go to TI
 [2014-01-12 00:13:15] <christino> yes
 [2014-01-12 00:13:17] <ltholden> but i'll try a different sunday
 [2014-01-12 00:13:20] <christino> SUBMIT at UCSD
 [2014-01-12 00:13:31] <christino> it has been said that he's flying over or something
 [2014-01-12 00:13:36] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-12 00:13:38] <ChunkySean> Lol
 [2014-01-12 00:13:38] <vig180> it is written
 [2014-01-12 00:13:39] <ChunkySean> in the morning
 [2014-01-12 00:13:40] <ChunkySean> at 6 AM
 [2014-01-12 00:13:43] <ChunkySean> they have a flight
 [2014-01-12 00:14:02] <christino> they should build that hyperloop
 [2014-01-12 00:14:03] <LaziestUsernameEver> So anything more on Arcadia?
 [2014-01-12 00:14:07] <samus149> wait they're flying to SUBMIT at UCSD?
 [2014-01-12 00:14:08] <christino> so that the circuit can integrate
 [2014-01-12 00:14:19] <christino> yes
 [2014-01-12 00:14:19] <ChunkySean> Yea Bellarmine is
 [2014-01-12 00:14:24] <samus149> but...it's a Berkeley tournament
 [2014-01-12 00:14:25] <HurrahPraga> isn't the high speed train on the way
 [2014-01-12 00:14:35] <samus149> At Berkeley
 [2014-01-12 00:14:43] <vig180> Arcadia, if they get their mental block out of the way and focus on studying high level real knowledge, could easily be top 5
 [2014-01-12 00:14:43] <christino> i hear the current HSR proposal is one of the more terrible designs
 [2014-01-12 00:14:50] <ChunkySean> is it SUBMIT they are playing?
 [2014-01-12 00:14:52] <ChunkySean> im not sure
 [2014-01-12 00:14:56] <ChunkySean> but i talk to bellarmine people
 [2014-01-12 00:14:57] <LaziestUsernameEver> It's SUBMIT.
 [2014-01-12 00:14:59] <christino> yes
 [2014-01-12 00:15:01] <ChunkySean> and they are definetly playing something
 [2014-01-12 00:15:02] <vig180> yes Ben, due to the absurdity of local CA politics
 [2014-01-12 00:15:07] <HurrahPraga> so its still a proposal at this point
 [2014-01-12 00:15:20] <ChunkySean> is High Tech going to TI?
 [2014-01-12 00:15:28] <samus149> We don't have enough interest
 [2014-01-12 00:15:34] <samus149> Pat and his stupid chess...
 [2014-01-12 00:15:37] <christino> did any one of you apply to rice
 [2014-01-12 00:15:51] <samus149> Pat did I think
 [2014-01-12 00:15:59] <christino> ah, nevermind then
 [2014-01-12 00:16:07] <HurrahPraga> no i didn't
 [2014-01-12 00:16:14] <HurrahPraga> didn't bother after notre dame
 [2014-01-12 00:16:26] <samus149> Fair enough
 [2014-01-12 00:16:28] <LaziestUsernameEver> So any, back to the topic.
 [2014-01-12 00:16:30] <christino> so we seem to have a pretty good consensus on arcadia
 [2014-01-12 00:16:39] <LaziestUsernameEver> High Tech or Ladue next?
 [2014-01-12 00:16:40] <christino> boyang's specialty is lit, right
 [2014-01-12 00:16:43] <samus149> LADUUUUUUUUUUE
 [2014-01-12 00:16:46] <christino> lol
 [2014-01-12 00:16:49] <Dylan> somebody should start the where are you going to college thread for this year
 [2014-01-12 00:16:55] <HurrahPraga> lets do ladue
 [2014-01-12 00:17:00] <LaziestUsernameEver> Ladue it is.
 [2014-01-12 00:17:02] <samus149> But that's only earlies, which is like 10 people
 [2014-01-12 00:17:06] <samus149> Ladue is good
 [2014-01-12 00:17:09] <christino> i'm gonna let everyone else do the talking first
 [2014-01-12 00:17:11] <samus149> Ben is good
 [2014-01-12 00:17:14] <HurrahPraga> ^
 [2014-01-12 00:17:17] <samus149> And Jialin
 [2014-01-12 00:17:25] <ChunkySean> how balanced is ladue?
 [2014-01-12 00:17:27] <LaziestUsernameEver> Jialin has become a good second option, it seems.
 [2014-01-12 00:17:28] <samus149> They're the new Max and Ben
 [2014-01-12 00:17:28] <HurrahPraga> who graduated from last year?
 [2014-01-12 00:17:34] <christino> max and haohang
 [2014-01-12 00:17:35] <ChunkySean> maxi
 [2014-01-12 00:17:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> Ladue is dominating local comp, as usual.
 [2014-01-12 00:17:49] <LaziestUsernameEver> Great stats.
 [2014-01-12 00:17:52] <samus149> Ben is a great generalist from what ive seen
 [2014-01-12 00:17:55] <LaziestUsernameEver> Haven't been out of state yet.
 [2014-01-12 00:18:01] <christino> we probably won't be
 [2014-01-12 00:18:02] <samus149> Jialin does history/geo I think
 [2014-01-12 00:18:17] <LaziestUsernameEver> But WUHSAC will be a good place to see how they do against out-of-state people.
 [2014-01-12 00:18:20] <ChunkySean> and Ben is everything else?
 [2014-01-12 00:18:20] <Dylan> Ben is a great player, Jialin is solid too. Idk how they can adjust to the post-Max world but they probably belong about here
 [2014-01-12 00:18:24] <nathanweiser> Jialin was really good at geo last year
 [2014-01-12 00:18:32] <christino> that ethiopia neg...
 [2014-01-12 00:18:57] <HurrahPraga> still though, one neg
 [2014-01-12 00:19:07] <christino> also my ether neg
 [2014-01-12 00:19:13] <christino> when i put exactly the same leadin for my LIST tossup!
 [2014-01-12 00:19:13] <samus149> That was hilarious
 [2014-01-12 00:19:18] <ChunkySean> who else is on Ladue?
 [2014-01-12 00:19:25] <christino> i remembered it had a prominent "ee" sound
 [2014-01-12 00:19:33] <samus149> I think essentially nobody
 [2014-01-12 00:19:37] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:19:46] <ChunkySean> 2 man team?
 [2014-01-12 00:19:48] <HurrahPraga> are there bodies filling seats?
 [2014-01-12 00:19:50] <christino> uh
 [2014-01-12 00:19:57] <christino> supposedly, kisan thakkar will know lit
 [2014-01-12 00:20:04] <Dylan> ladue b got t-21 and presumably brings someone up
 [2014-01-12 00:20:04] <nathanweiser> is Ladue going to TI?
 [2014-01-12 00:20:14] <christino> our NAQT state tournament is on that day
 [2014-01-12 00:20:20] <lasakid> aww
 [2014-01-12 00:20:23] <InfiniteStryker0> ben's dominating lederberg playtesting for what that's worth
 [2014-01-12 00:20:24] <christino> i've expressed interest in going as a dymanic duo of me and jialin
 [2014-01-12 00:20:25] <HurrahPraga> so someone good will be there
 [2014-01-12 00:20:37] <samus149> I remember Ben at SASS at NSC
 [2014-01-12 00:20:39] <christino> jialin is reluctant because that would mean a trip involving 6 megabuses
 [2014-01-12 00:20:43] <samus149> you had a cool hat
 [2014-01-12 00:20:56] <christino> heh
 [2014-01-12 00:20:58] <samus149> and owned with Kevin
 [2014-01-12 00:21:03] <christino> the number of hats we wore
 [2014-01-12 00:21:05] <Dylan> oh Sass
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 [2014-01-12 00:21:09] <christino> equals the number of national championships we've had
 [2014-01-12 00:21:10] <HurrahPraga> kevin and ben should've been banned
 [2014-01-12 00:21:10] <HurrahPraga> OP
 [2014-01-12 00:21:20] <samus149> yeah that was too OP
 [2014-01-12 00:21:32] <samus149> But I got a nice coloring book out of it
 [2014-01-12 00:21:35] <Dylan> they didn't even win
 [2014-01-12 00:21:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> Anything else to add about Ladue, Ben?
 [2014-01-12 00:21:40] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:21:45] <christino> so we've been ranked pretty low
 [2014-01-12 00:21:54] <ChunkySean> so i guess a potential negative is the 2 man aspect?
 [2014-01-12 00:21:57] <christino> we've played the wrong sets, if our goal was to get ranked high
 [2014-01-12 00:22:04] <samus149> Not sure if 2 man is a negative
 [2014-01-12 00:22:08] <HurrahPraga> low?  you're 6
 [2014-01-12 00:22:13] <samus149> They did win last year on that model
 [2014-01-12 00:22:13] <christino> 11th in the rankings
 [2014-01-12 00:22:15] <HurrahPraga> unless low means high and high means low
 [2014-01-12 00:22:18] <HurrahPraga> oh those rankings
 [2014-01-12 00:22:24] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:22:30] <christino> our strengths are not NAQT
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 [2014-01-12 00:22:40] <samus149> I think you guys are top 10 at least
 [2014-01-12 00:22:43] <christino> the ACF subjects that come up in NAQT we're better at than in ACF
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 [2014-01-12 00:22:53] <christino> but the NAQT stuff negates that advantage
 [2014-01-12 00:22:59] <christino> so here's the thing
 [2014-01-12 00:23:00] <Dylan> I think they probably got a name-recognition boost in the poll but you're probably top 10
 [2014-01-12 00:23:02] <HurrahPraga> surprise current events tossup
 [2014-01-12 00:23:12] <christino> the subjects we were strong in last year
 [2014-01-12 00:23:22] <christino> as in, national-championship caliber good
 [2014-01-12 00:23:28] <christino> generally went away with max and haohang
 [2014-01-12 00:23:32] <ChunkySean> which were what?
 [2014-01-12 00:23:36] <samus149> Lit + FA?
 [2014-01-12 00:23:36] <christino> i.e. lit, arts, compsci
 [2014-01-12 00:23:39] <HurrahPraga> you've got myth
 [2014-01-12 00:23:44] <ChunkySean> ben, what is your specialty?
 [2014-01-12 00:23:45] <christino> yeah that's 1/1
 [2014-01-12 00:23:45] <HurrahPraga> and science that's not compsci
 [2014-01-12 00:23:49] <christino> myth and soft science
 [2014-01-12 00:23:54] <samus149> I've heard your Fine Arts is insanely hard when you write it
 [2014-01-12 00:23:55] <HurrahPraga> and whatever else you've learned
 [2014-01-12 00:24:03] <HurrahPraga> oh yeah, what sean sai
 [2014-01-12 00:24:05] <christino> haohang wrote a pizzicato tossup for LIST last year
 [2014-01-12 00:24:14] <samus149> Badger powered that
 [2014-01-12 00:24:21] <christino> she wrote every single music question for LIST in the past 3 years
 [2014-01-12 00:24:23] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:24:24] <Dylan> i don't remember that
 [2014-01-12 00:24:34] <christino> so the only things we're really strong at are geo, bio, and myth
 [2014-01-12 00:24:47] <christino> everything that we were weak in last year
 [2014-01-12 00:24:56] <samus149> So you're saying you guys gotta up the generalist game to crack top 5?
 [2014-01-12 00:24:59] <christino> but still good enough for a national-caliber team
 [2014-01-12 00:25:03] <christino> became our strenghts this year
 [2014-01-12 00:25:04] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:25:08] <christino> well
 [2014-01-12 00:25:10] <christino> depends
 [2014-01-12 00:25:22] <christino> i always worry that there's gonna be a round in which i know nothing
 [2014-01-12 00:25:44] <christino> i'm not that great of a generalist, because i've been noticing that i always ignoring some stuff
 [2014-01-12 00:26:04] <christino> but yeah, i think top 10 at nats
 [2014-01-12 00:26:09] <christino> hopefully top 5
 [2014-01-12 00:26:09] <ChunkySean> you guys have any 2 people to fill gaps?
 [2014-01-12 00:26:12] <HurrahPraga> does Jilian fill that in?
 [2014-01-12 00:26:17] <ChunkySean> like haohang and jialian did last year?
 [2014-01-12 00:26:20] <christino> uh
 [2014-01-12 00:26:27] <christino> our problem is our 4th
 [2014-01-12 00:26:35] <christino> our math/physics/chem/compsci player left
 [2014-01-12 00:26:46] <christino> so we're scrambling to find a new one
 [2014-01-12 00:26:56] <samus149> Call the nerd horn
 [2014-01-12 00:27:08] <christino> heh
 [2014-01-12 00:27:22] <ChunkySean> no one from Ladue B last year?
 [2014-01-12 00:27:29] <christino> i've also been beating our supposed lit specialist from ladue b last year to lit tossups
 [2014-01-12 00:27:35] <christino> off my generalist knowledge, so that's a problem
 [2014-01-12 00:28:01] <christino> also, my negs are a thing that can ruin matches
 [2014-01-12 00:28:06] <christino> other than that, that's basically ladue
 [2014-01-12 00:28:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> OK, great.
 [2014-01-12 00:28:19] <LaziestUsernameEver> So High Tech now?
 [2014-01-12 00:28:21] <samus149> #1 High School in Lincroft, NJ: High Tech
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 [2014-01-12 00:28:28] <ChunkySean> Nice
 [2014-01-12 00:28:29] <HurrahPraga> alright, lets not talk for a bit
 [2014-01-12 00:28:32] <samus149> So let everybody talk first
 [2014-01-12 00:28:33] <ChunkySean> Lot of respect for them
 [2014-01-12 00:28:36] <christino> ranked the high school with the highest tech
 [2014-01-12 00:28:37] <ChunkySean> Amazing team
 [2014-01-12 00:28:41] <Dylan> I'll let the High Tech folks talk about themselves
 [2014-01-12 00:28:48] <ChunkySean> amazingly well balanced
 [2014-01-12 00:28:50] <HurrahPraga> our tech is like 2005
 [2014-01-12 00:28:50] <ChunkySean> great power rates
 [2014-01-12 00:28:53] <Dylan> only time I've seen them play is SASS
 [2014-01-12 00:28:54] <LaziestUsernameEver> They've uh, been putting up great stats.
 [2014-01-12 00:28:54] <ChunkySean> and great PPB
 [2014-01-12 00:29:06] <ChunkySean> Strong areas
 [2014-01-12 00:29:11] <ChunkySean> are Science and History
 [2014-01-12 00:29:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Seems like this year's A team is some combination of last year's A, B, and C teams.
 [2014-01-12 00:29:19] <ChunkySean> Specifically Sean and Rohan
 [2014-01-12 00:29:19] <HurrahPraga> Yep
 [2014-01-12 00:29:20] <ceilingcat> Lukas says you'd give Berkeley A a really competitive game
 [2014-01-12 00:29:21] <ChunkySean> and Pat
 [2014-01-12 00:29:32] <ChunkySean> and i think Lit
 [2014-01-12 00:29:35] <ChunkySean> is a weak area
 [2014-01-12 00:29:37] <HurrahPraga> I'm not sure I'd go that far
 [2014-01-12 00:29:39] <ChunkySean> but solid nonetheless
 [2014-01-12 00:29:51] <samus149> So Pat, you wanna go first?
 [2014-01-12 00:29:57] <HurrahPraga> alright, sure
 [2014-01-12 00:29:57] <ChunkySean> not an unbeatable team, though
 [2014-01-12 00:30:08] <ChunkySean> and they might have had some neg problems
 [2014-01-12 00:30:10] <mbjackson> hey when all of this is done can someone send me a log? (mbjackson10@gmail)
 [2014-01-12 00:30:11] <HurrahPraga> so sean is the best science player in the northeast, at least
 [2014-01-12 00:30:26] <HurrahPraga> and has "fixed" the negging problem more or less
 [2014-01-12 00:30:32] <HurrahPraga> at least at the last tournament
 [2014-01-12 00:30:37] <HurrahPraga> Rohan steal some science questions
 [2014-01-12 00:30:47] <HurrahPraga> we're also good at history, like mohan said
 [2014-01-12 00:30:51] <HurrahPraga> that's rohan and me
 [2014-01-12 00:31:01] <HurrahPraga> historically, we've been weak at lit and FA
 [2014-01-12 00:31:06] <ChunkySean> Yea
 [2014-01-12 00:31:08] <HurrahPraga> srishti's compensating forthat
 [2014-01-12 00:31:11] <ChunkySean> I think i beat you guys
 [2014-01-12 00:31:12] <ChunkySean> to those
 [2014-01-12 00:31:13] <HurrahPraga> well multiple people are
 [2014-01-12 00:31:26] <HurrahPraga> but we'll see how well that ends up
 [2014-01-12 00:31:41] <HurrahPraga> Other than that, we don't like sports questions
 [2014-01-12 00:31:42] <ChunkySean> i have a quick question
 [2014-01-12 00:31:49] <ChunkySean> how do you guys split up the subjects?
 [2014-01-12 00:31:56] <HurrahPraga> Roughtly
 [2014-01-12 00:31:57] <samus149> lol
 [2014-01-12 00:31:58] <ChunkySean> seems like you have multiple people overlaping
 [2014-01-12 00:32:06] <HurrahPraga> and this isn't really anything consistent
 [2014-01-12 00:32:09] <HurrahPraga> but sean on science
 [2014-01-12 00:32:12] <HurrahPraga> rohan and me on history
 [2014-01-12 00:32:15] <HurrahPraga> srishti on lit/FA
 [2014-01-12 00:32:22] <HurrahPraga> but people cover a lot of things
 [2014-01-12 00:32:36] <ChunkySean> I have heard Rohan is a beast
 [2014-01-12 00:32:38] <HurrahPraga> sean, you want to go?
 [2014-01-12 00:32:41] <HurrahPraga> he is
 [2014-01-12 00:32:42] <samus149> yay my turn
 [2014-01-12 00:32:50] <samus149> So it used to be
 [2014-01-12 00:32:56] <samus149> what Pat said about subjects
 [2014-01-12 00:33:02] <samus149> But over the summer we sorta branched out
 [2014-01-12 00:33:03] <christino> does rohan beat jialin in geo?
 [2014-01-12 00:33:10] <HurrahPraga> good question
 [2014-01-12 00:33:11] <samus149> I did lit, Pat did paintings, Rohan did whatever
 [2014-01-12 00:33:18] <samus149> Rohan is top 10 geo in the country
 [2014-01-12 00:33:24] <samus149> I think he might
 [2014-01-12 00:33:30] <HurrahPraga> he got 6 at madden's thing
 [2014-01-12 00:33:35] <samus149> Yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:33:50] <samus149> We've got good power rates, and PPB, and all that stuff
 [2014-01-12 00:34:05] <samus149> I think our biggest problem is that we're sorta blase
 [2014-01-12 00:34:12] <samus149> Like if we don't wanna study, we won't
 [2014-01-12 00:34:14] <ChunkySean> Yea like almost losing to Hunter
 [2014-01-12 00:34:15] <ChunkySean> Lol
 [2014-01-12 00:34:19] <ChunkySean> and losing to DCC
 [2014-01-12 00:34:33] <samus149> Princeton we were sorta getting the hang of being a team
 [2014-01-12 00:34:42] <samus149> But now we're better I think
 [2014-01-12 00:34:50] <samus149> And we try not to take the game too seriously
 [2014-01-12 00:34:57] <samus149> And we protobowl...
 [2014-01-12 00:35:11] <HurrahPraga> do we?  when's the last time you protobowled
 [2014-01-12 00:35:16] <mbjackson> booooo
 [2014-01-12 00:35:17] <HurrahPraga> i haven't done it in months
 [2014-01-12 00:35:18] <samus149> a couple days ago
 [2014-01-12 00:35:23] <HurrahPraga> oh well, there you go
 [2014-01-12 00:35:25] <samus149> Yeah we do it mostly to kill time now
 [2014-01-12 00:35:32] <samus149> Though we also do college
 [2014-01-12 00:35:36] <samus149> Anyways
 [2014-01-12 00:35:45] <christino> oh yeah, same with ladue
 [2014-01-12 00:36:01] <samus149> We like real knowledge too, at least in history and science, so we're about the same level with high level questions
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 [2014-01-12 00:36:11] <samus149> And negging has mostly gone away
 [2014-01-12 00:36:15] <HurrahPraga> our ppb could use some work
 [2014-01-12 00:36:24] <samus149> According to my OCD charts
 [2014-01-12 00:36:31] <ChunkySean> how did u guys get so good at Bonuses though?
 [2014-01-12 00:36:37] <ChunkySean> did u study them specifically?
 [2014-01-12 00:36:38] <samus149> We didnt
 [2014-01-12 00:36:40] <HurrahPraga> nope
 [2014-01-12 00:36:40] <samus149> They got easier
 [2014-01-12 00:36:42] <HurrahPraga> no idea
 [2014-01-12 00:36:45] <HurrahPraga> we learned things
 [2014-01-12 00:36:49] <samus149> We literally never study bonuses
 [2014-01-12 00:36:54] <ChunkySean> are you guys good at CE?
 [2014-01-12 00:37:00] <HurrahPraga> we're not good enough at them though, so we're working on them
 [2014-01-12 00:37:02] <samus149> Yeah Pat and Rohan are insane
 [2014-01-12 00:37:07] <samus149> Rohan reads french newspapers
 [2014-01-12 00:37:08] <HurrahPraga> both rohan and i keep up on stuff
 [2014-01-12 00:37:12] <HurrahPraga> i don't know about insane
 [2014-01-12 00:37:13] <LaziestUsernameEver> Le Monde?
 [2014-01-12 00:37:15] <HurrahPraga> we're decent
 [2014-01-12 00:37:20] <samus149> Yeah that
 [2014-01-12 00:37:24] <HurrahPraga> rohan probably does
 [2014-01-12 00:37:29] <LaziestUsernameEver> That's a good one.
 [2014-01-12 00:37:36] <samus149> We have crossover which is good
 [2014-01-12 00:37:49] <ChunkySean> I think you guys are under ranked
 [2014-01-12 00:37:53] <ChunkySean> possibly
 [2014-01-12 00:37:54] <HurrahPraga> no way
 [2014-01-12 00:37:55] <samus149> And if we keep studying, we'll get better, though we probably won't keep studying
 [2014-01-12 00:37:57] <HurrahPraga> over if anything
 [2014-01-12 00:38:00] <HurrahPraga> we'll keep studying
 [2014-01-12 00:38:02] <samus149> We're ranked where we should be I think
 [2014-01-12 00:38:05] <HurrahPraga> at least I will
 [2014-01-12 00:38:09] <samus149> lolnope
 [2014-01-12 00:38:11] <HurrahPraga> and I'll make you guys at least pretend
 [2014-01-12 00:38:20] <HurrahPraga> don't you have a physics thing to study for
 [2014-01-12 00:38:21] <samus149> Srishti has to learn to be a music nerd
 [2014-01-12 00:38:23] <HurrahPraga> like an olympiad
 [2014-01-12 00:38:31] <samus149> That's days away
 [2014-01-12 00:38:33] <HurrahPraga> that counts as studying
 [2014-01-12 00:38:35] <HurrahPraga> wait really
 [2014-01-12 00:38:39] <samus149> Yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:38:42] <samus149> but ignoring that
 [2014-01-12 00:38:43] <HurrahPraga> well good luck
 [2014-01-12 00:38:51] <samus149> so that's our team summary
 [2014-01-12 00:38:55] <samus149> We're pretty derp tbh
 [2014-01-12 00:39:02] <HurrahPraga> Decent, could use some work
 [2014-01-12 00:39:08] <samus149> If you play us, we will be the least serious team you've ever seen
 [2014-01-12 00:39:41] <HurrahPraga> unless anyone has questions, that's all we've got to say
 [2014-01-12 00:40:03] <Dylan> alright, next?
 [2014-01-12 00:40:11] <HurrahPraga> imsa
 [2014-01-12 00:40:12] <ltholden> IMSA
 [2014-01-12 00:40:17] <HurrahPraga> anton's good as alwas
 [2014-01-12 00:40:20] <HurrahPraga> plus the new guy
 [2014-01-12 00:40:21] <ltholden> Anton's fantastic
 [2014-01-12 00:40:27] <samus149> Anton is good at everything NAQT and science
 [2014-01-12 00:40:38] <HurrahPraga> his geo's insane
 [2014-01-12 00:40:39] <samus149> His team is great at everything else
 [2014-01-12 00:40:41] <ltholden> honestly it's up to getting great at lit
 [2014-01-12 00:40:49] <ltholden> and you've got a top 5 team easy
 [2014-01-12 00:40:54] <samus149> Rohan told me at geo bee last year 2-10 were around the same
 [2014-01-12 00:40:59] <samus149> and Anton was in a league of his own
 [2014-01-12 00:41:00] <LaziestUsernameEver> Is it Dan Pechi or Andrew Salij who's going to end up on IMSA A?
 [2014-01-12 00:41:13] <christino> didn't dan once outscore anton
 [2014-01-12 00:41:24] <LaziestUsernameEver> Dunno.
 [2014-01-12 00:41:28] <christino> at like HFT or something
 [2014-01-12 00:41:57] <christino> http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2013_HFT_Auburn/2013_HFT_Auburn_teamdetail.php#t4
 [2014-01-12 00:42:01] <christino> nope, andrew salij
 [2014-01-12 00:42:13] <Dylan> probably Pechi but idk
 [2014-01-12 00:42:38] <Dylan> Andrew Salij is a good generalist but I doubt he scales to nationals level the way the others do
 [2014-01-12 00:42:46] <christino> to me, anton is really confusing
 [2014-01-12 00:42:53] <HurrahPraga> does imsa have room for a generalist
 [2014-01-12 00:43:07] <christino> how is someone so good at the minutiae that comes up in NAQT with absolutely no regularity
 [2014-01-12 00:43:08] <samus149> They really need a lit person from what I understand
 [2014-01-12 00:43:33] <InfiniteStryker0> what happened to that girl on imsa who looked really uncomfortable and sad throughout pace
 [2014-01-12 00:43:37] <Dylan> yeah that's their biggest hole
 [2014-01-12 00:43:39] <InfiniteStryker0> she was good at lit
 [2014-01-12 00:43:40] <ltholden> graduated
 [2014-01-12 00:43:41] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 00:43:41] <Dylan> sabrina graduated
 [2014-01-12 00:43:42] <christino> she graduated
 [2014-01-12 00:43:44] <samus149> sabrina left
 [2014-01-12 00:43:51] <LaziestUsernameEver> Sabrina was good.
 [2014-01-12 00:43:57] <InfiniteStryker0> oh, where does she go
 [2014-01-12 00:44:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> I lucked out against her at HSNCT. I really shouldn't have.
 [2014-01-12 00:44:21] <mbjackson> somewhere, not playing qb
 [2014-01-12 00:44:25] <ltholden> yeah b team could've beat imsa at pace but she beat lane
 [2014-01-12 00:44:31] <christino> that reminds me, i didn't finish my upenn app in time
 [2014-01-12 00:44:32] <ltholden> so we lose
 [2014-01-12 00:44:35] <SamBaSam> A farm upstate.
 [2014-01-12 00:44:48] <InfiniteStryker0> damn
 [2014-01-12 00:44:51] <mbjackson> tee hee
 [2014-01-12 00:45:00] <InfiniteStryker0> that's too bad
 [2014-01-12 00:45:11] <samus149> oh god college
 [2014-01-12 00:45:24] <mbjackson> yeah let's not freak the seniors in the channel out by Going There
 [2014-01-12 00:45:31] <christino> i shoud've just used my rice essay, since it was talking about how i loved benjamin franklin and how i named myself after him
 [2014-01-12 00:45:38] <Dylan> oh man college apps
 [2014-01-12 00:45:43] <mbjackson> how very German of you
 [2014-01-12 00:45:47] <InfiniteStryker0> sorry guys
 [2014-01-12 00:45:50] <HurrahPraga> haha college apps
 [2014-01-12 00:45:56] <samus149> 11 rejections forthcoming
 [2014-01-12 00:46:04] <christino> no, rejections aren't bad
 [2014-01-12 00:46:05] <InfiniteStryker0> (and girls)
 [2014-01-12 00:46:06] <christino> 11 waitlistings
 [2014-01-12 00:46:08] <mbjackson> so i just rolled in here; how many teams are left to go over?
 [2014-01-12 00:46:12] <christino> 2.5
 [2014-01-12 00:46:15] <samus149> 4
 [2014-01-12 00:46:23] <christino> oh wait imsa is not a top 3 team
 [2014-01-12 00:46:30] <LaziestUsernameEver> We done with IMSA?
 [2014-01-12 00:46:33] <HurrahPraga> they're 5
 [2014-01-12 00:46:34] <nathanweiser> 2.5?
 [2014-01-12 00:46:43] <samus149> they're very good and accurately ranked
 [2014-01-12 00:46:48] <christino> i thought they were #3 and we're halfway done with them
 [2014-01-12 00:47:04] <ChunkySean> who next
 [2014-01-12 00:47:05] <mbjackson> signs point to Auburn surpassing them at this point
 [2014-01-12 00:47:07] <christino> and better on NAQT and NSC
 [2014-01-12 00:47:09] <christino> *than
 [2014-01-12 00:47:16] <mbjackson> but that may have been gone over already
 [2014-01-12 00:47:18] <christino> even NAQT?
 [2014-01-12 00:47:32] <Dylan> IMSA is probably overranked
 [2014-01-12 00:47:39] <Dylan> and auburn is surging
 [2014-01-12 00:48:00] <christino> i'd say that ranking has a decent shot at coming true at nats
 [2014-01-12 00:48:07] <LaziestUsernameEver> I think IMSA could edge Auburn out on NAQT.
 [2014-01-12 00:48:11] <LaziestUsernameEver> Maybe.
 [2014-01-12 00:48:19] <mbjackson> going up the poll number 4 is Dorman
 [2014-01-12 00:48:20] <LaziestUsernameEver> But Auburn is on the rise for sure.
 [2014-01-12 00:48:22] <Dylan> yeah IMSA has the edge on NAQT
 [2014-01-12 00:48:24] <samus149> doorman
 [2014-01-12 00:48:31] <mbjackson> what kind of stats do they have this year, and what sorts of matches have they won/lost thus far
 [2014-01-12 00:48:32] <ltholden> Dorman#1 amirite?
 [2014-01-12 00:48:33] <LaziestUsernameEver> Dormen.
 [2014-01-12 00:48:36] <Dylan> convince us, lee
 [2014-01-12 00:48:42] <christino> nah
 [2014-01-12 00:48:44] <ltholden> Alright
 [2014-01-12 00:48:51] <ltholden> Well I think we're good
 [2014-01-12 00:48:55] <christino> we should talk first so that he can dispel the myths
 [2014-01-12 00:48:56] <ltholden> We can't beat Hooch
 [2014-01-12 00:48:59] <ltholden> By some sorcery
 [2014-01-12 00:49:09] <samus149> i like ben's plan
 [2014-01-12 00:49:15] <ltholden> But otherwise we have had easy peezy against everybody
 [2014-01-12 00:49:24] <ltholden> eric xu and maggie walker included
 [2014-01-12 00:49:31] <LaziestUsernameEver> Dorman has won every tournament they've been at except for two.
 [2014-01-12 00:49:39] <ltholden> i'm just not going to count uk
 [2014-01-12 00:49:44] <LaziestUsernameEver> Those two being Ezell-Harding (on an IS set) and UK.
 [2014-01-12 00:49:47] <ltholden> that was not good day for us
 [2014-01-12 00:49:54] <ltholden> I'm laying it on us
 [2014-01-12 00:50:05] <LaziestUsernameEver> Is Dorman going to TI?
 [2014-01-12 00:50:14] <ltholden> there was mad juju
 [2014-01-12 00:50:16] <ltholden> and yeah we are
 [2014-01-12 00:50:18] <samus149> Who does what on your team?
 [2014-01-12 00:50:31] <ChunkySean> yea u guys r so balanced
 [2014-01-12 00:50:34] <ltholden> Me and Tabs split history
 [2014-01-12 00:50:35] <ChunkySean> similar to Ht
 [2014-01-12 00:50:42] <ltholden> "split"
 [2014-01-12 00:50:45] <christino> i was kinda disappointed by dorman's IS-132 ppb, to be honest
 [2014-01-12 00:50:46] <ltholden> as in we do history
 [2014-01-12 00:50:57] <ltholden> I mean we've struggled with ppb sometimes
 [2014-01-12 00:51:11] <ltholden> like Lane's good at lit, he's just not super top notch
 [2014-01-12 00:51:18] <ltholden> and Chase has a reviewing issue
 [2014-01-12 00:51:42] <ltholden> Chase will 0 a science bonus if you let him
 [2014-01-12 00:51:45] <ChunkySean> who does science?
 [2014-01-12 00:51:54] <ltholden> and I HAVE NO CLUE WHY
 [2014-01-12 00:51:59] <ltholden> chase
 [2014-01-12 00:51:59] <LaziestUsernameEver> Chase does science.
 [2014-01-12 00:52:15] <christino> he beat me to a cAMP tossup last year
 [2014-01-12 00:52:29] <ltholden> Like he destroyed Missouri Open, but that's the only tournament he's really owned.
 [2014-01-12 00:52:47] <christino> oh
 [2014-01-12 00:52:47] <ltholden> He's so good
 [2014-01-12 00:52:53] <christino> missouri open science was written off wikipedia
 [2014-01-12 00:52:54] <Dylan> chase knows a lot of things but I noticed last year's dorman b would randomly zero bonuses
 [2014-01-12 00:52:54] <ltholden> but so bad sometimes
 [2014-01-12 00:53:11] <ltholden> like our history ppb is like 28
 [2014-01-12 00:53:21] <ltholden> and lit is like 25
 [2014-01-12 00:53:34] <ltholden> but like science will be in the lower 20s a lot
 [2014-01-12 00:53:45] <ltholden> and i love chase I'm not trying to put him down
 [2014-01-12 00:53:52] <ltholden> I fully expect him to kill it at nats
 [2014-01-12 00:54:14] <christino> hmm
 [2014-01-12 00:54:25] <ltholden> but he's had a lot of issues concentrating and playing well on regular difficulty sets
 [2014-01-12 00:54:27] <christino> what i got from it was "he is not completely dependable for science at nats"
 [2014-01-12 00:54:28] <ltholden> even acf fall
 [2014-01-12 00:54:58] <ltholden> Like honestly, Himendra from the B team will likely be the best science player in the country next year
 [2014-01-12 00:55:16] <nathanweiser> ^coren wagen?
 [2014-01-12 00:55:18] <ChunkySean> who is returning for Dorman?
 [2014-01-12 00:55:19] <samus149> corin doe
 [2014-01-12 00:55:24] <nathanweiser> corrrrrrrin
 [2014-01-12 00:55:37] <christino> the high tech guy spells his name correctly
 [2014-01-12 00:55:40] <LaziestUsernameEver> This year or next?
 [2014-01-12 00:55:48] <ChunkySean> next year
 [2014-01-12 00:55:49] <ChunkySean> i mean
 [2014-01-12 00:55:52] <samus149> Corin beat me to a particle physics tossup
 [2014-01-12 00:55:53] <LaziestUsernameEver> Himendra.
 [2014-01-12 00:55:54] <HurrahPraga> corin's pretty good
 [2014-01-12 00:55:56] <samus149> I will never forgive him
 [2014-01-12 00:56:04] <ltholden> and there have been a lot of issues due to Himendra being really focused and Chase not so much
 [2014-01-12 00:56:21] <ltholden> The kid's a beast
 [2014-01-12 00:56:25] <ChunkySean> what did Himendra do on your B team last year?
 [2014-01-12 00:56:30] <ChunkySean> since they overlapped in science
 [2014-01-12 00:56:30] <ltholden> Science
 [2014-01-12 00:56:40] <Dylan> has he really improved that much
 [2014-01-12 00:56:49] <ltholden> God he's good.
 [2014-01-12 00:56:50] <Dylan> i got the impression that chase was way better than him
 [2014-01-12 00:57:19] <ltholden> Right now, I'd say they're equal, honestly.
 [2014-01-12 00:57:20] <LaziestUsernameEver> Same.
 [2014-01-12 00:57:56] <ltholden> Himendra will get beat on some regular science stuff, but he'll crush chase on some harder clues.
 [2014-01-12 00:58:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> Hm.
 [2014-01-12 00:58:06] <samus149> So consistency's the biggest issue?
 [2014-01-12 00:58:16] <ltholden> I mean, yeah?
 [2014-01-12 00:58:25] <ltholden> We're potentially super good.
 [2014-01-12 00:58:31] <ltholden> And we've dominated mostly.
 [2014-01-12 00:58:38] <ltholden> It's just there's issues.
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 [2014-01-12 00:58:52] <ltholden> We are currently my dream team
 [2014-01-12 00:58:55] <ltholden> I like it how it is.
 [2014-01-12 00:59:00] <ryu> how modest
 [2014-01-12 00:59:15] <ltholden> As in players on our team
 [2014-01-12 00:59:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> Well, anything else on Dorman?
 [2014-01-12 00:59:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> Or can we move on?
 [2014-01-12 01:00:06] <christino> do you neg
 [2014-01-12 01:00:07] <ltholden> I mean, we intend to revenge ourselves on Sameer at NHBB for snatching victory from us on the last question in the semis
 [2014-01-12 01:00:13] <ltholden> We do
 [2014-01-12 01:00:18] <ltholden> we're cutting it down
 [2014-01-12 01:00:43] <mbjackson> how do multi-team schools usually handle nhbb?
 [2014-01-12 01:00:54] <mbjackson> do they put their full A-team up or take the history players from A, B, and C and smush
 [2014-01-12 01:00:56] <ltholden> We had like a no neg 30 ppb game at acf fall. or maybe some negs, I can't remember, obviously no negs at acf
 [2014-01-12 01:01:19] <christino> for local history bowls, ladue puts our history people
 [2014-01-12 01:01:24] <HurrahPraga> High Tech puts the history people only
 [2014-01-12 01:01:27] <ltholden> Last year we did me and lane from B and tabs and brian from A
 [2014-01-12 01:01:32] <samus149> We send our A, B, and C history people
 [2014-01-12 01:01:32] <nathanweiser> LASA usually takes the three best history players from A and B and then takes a random RMP/Lit person
 [2014-01-12 01:01:32] <HurrahPraga> which is nearly exactly the a team anyway
 [2014-01-12 01:01:41] <ltholden> The plan this year is full a team at nats
 [2014-01-12 01:01:42] <LaziestUsernameEver> Hooch did the history people and then some others to get history of lit/science.
 [2014-01-12 01:01:43] <samus149> Minus me!
 [2014-01-12 01:01:44] <ltholden> A team
 [2014-01-12 01:01:45] <christino> there's no point in wasting, say, haohang's saturday by making her play a tournament she's not gonna get a question in
 [2014-01-12 01:01:58] <christino> hmm
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 [2014-01-12 01:02:09] <ChunkySean> music?
 [2014-01-12 01:02:10] <SamBaSam> Ruining people's Saturdays builds character.
 [2014-01-12 01:02:13] <ChunkySean> what about Shub?
 [2014-01-12 01:02:46] <ltholden> He's fantastic, but I think our coach's plan is to just stick with the A team.
 [2014-01-12 01:03:05] <ltholden> He doesn't know anything history-wise that me and tabs don't, basically.
 [2014-01-12 01:03:10] <ltholden> He's a speed demon though
 [2014-01-12 01:03:13] <vig180> Lee, what do y'all do to practice at Dorman
 [2014-01-12 01:03:33] <ltholden> Play games three days a week.
 [2014-01-12 01:03:39] <ltholden> study practice on thursday
 [2014-01-12 01:03:48] <christino> sounds intense
 [2014-01-12 01:03:48] <InfiniteStryker0> extensive
 [2014-01-12 01:04:05] <ltholden> but it's basically like a chance to review quietly for an hour and a half
 [2014-01-12 01:04:06] <christino> yeah, i'm wondering how often these top teams practice
 [2014-01-12 01:04:07] <vig180> what is "study practice"
 [2014-01-12 01:04:20] <ltholden> We practice a lot
 [2014-01-12 01:04:21] <vig180> review quietly!
 [2014-01-12 01:04:25] <vig180> interesting
 [2014-01-12 01:04:35] <vig180> how much HW
 [2014-01-12 01:04:35] <LaziestUsernameEver> Hooch practices are basically "read old packets".
 [2014-01-12 01:04:39] <LaziestUsernameEver> That includes super-old IS sets.
 [2014-01-12 01:04:40] <samus149> We have practice, but it's mostly A team reads to other teams awkwardly
 [2014-01-12 01:04:53] <christino> ladue has practice 2, maybe 3, times a month
 [2014-01-12 01:04:56] <ltholden> Really study practice is to get the freshmen and newer team members into good habits of studyig
 [2014-01-12 01:04:56] <HurrahPraga> it's only awkward if you make it awkward
 [2014-01-12 01:04:57] <christino> for 1 hour each
 [2014-01-12 01:05:00] <LaziestUsernameEver> And random D-II's.
 [2014-01-12 01:05:05] <HurrahPraga> besides, we need to get freshmen in somehow
 [2014-01-12 01:05:07] <InfiniteStryker0> what are good study habits
 [2014-01-12 01:05:09] <ltholden> It didn't really set in till like the beginning of junior year for me thoguh
 [2014-01-12 01:05:18] <nathanweiser> at LASA, someone reads a packet while an a-team member rides around the classroom on a scooter
 [2014-01-12 01:05:34] <HurrahPraga> i like that way better
 [2014-01-12 01:05:34] <mbjackson> but actually?
 [2014-01-12 01:05:40] <christino> imagine you're in the hsnct finals, it's tied, and the last tossup has a leadin consisting of the clue you're just learning
 [2014-01-12 01:05:51] <Dylan> what
 [2014-01-12 01:06:06] <nathanweiser> I'm actually 80% not joking
 [2014-01-12 01:06:09] <LaziestUsernameEver> A scooter?
 [2014-01-12 01:06:17] <LaziestUsernameEver> Where does this scooter come from?
 [2014-01-12 01:06:18] <lasakid> Like a razer scooter
 [2014-01-12 01:06:19] <samus149> We will acquire one posthaste
 [2014-01-12 01:06:21] <HurrahPraga> it seems to be working
 [2014-01-12 01:06:21] <christino> 80%?
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 [2014-01-12 01:06:28] <mbjackson> that's the secret ingredient, folks
 [2014-01-12 01:06:31] <christino> so a B team member rides around on a scooter?
 [2014-01-12 01:06:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> Brilliant.
 [2014-01-12 01:06:35] <InfiniteStryker0> a scooter?
 [2014-01-12 01:06:36] <lasakid> A team only
 [2014-01-12 01:06:37] <HurrahPraga> clearly everyone in the country needs a scooter at 80% of practices
 [2014-01-12 01:06:37] <nathanweiser> sometimes
 [2014-01-12 01:06:43] <nathanweiser> it's actually Ethan's scooter
 [2014-01-12 01:06:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> It all makes sense now.
 [2014-01-12 01:07:20] <christino> if only our classrooms were big enough for scooters
 [2014-01-12 01:07:56] <MattBo> didn't Ethan learn his lesson about unsafe activities
 [2014-01-12 01:08:15] <LaziestUsernameEver> Does it have to be a scooter?
 [2014-01-12 01:08:19] <christino> he should feel free to continue
 [2014-01-12 01:08:34] <christino> anyway does anyone want to read through this in the log
 [2014-01-12 01:08:44] <christino> anything else on dorman
 [2014-01-12 01:08:45] <nathanweiser> Ethan Russo lives on the edge
 [2014-01-12 01:09:12] <christino> guess not
 [2014-01-12 01:09:16] <christino> LASA B it is
 [2014-01-12 01:09:18] <LaziestUsernameEver> So LASA B?
 [2014-01-12 01:09:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> Aight.
 [2014-01-12 01:09:28] <LaziestUsernameEver> So I'm assuming it's just last year's LASA C.
 [2014-01-12 01:09:29] <samus149> Time for Texas
 [2014-01-12 01:09:34] <lasakid> LASA "not scooter"
 [2014-01-12 01:09:39] <nathanweiser> they are really good at quiz bowl
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 [2014-01-12 01:09:43] <christino> is ying liu on teh B team?
 [2014-01-12 01:09:54] <mbjackson> what is the breakdown between ethan and corin, for those of us who have never seen them play
 [2014-01-12 01:09:58] <mbjackson> and what do the other team members add?
 [2014-01-12 01:10:07] <mbjackson> "they're really good" is going to be true across all the teams here, frankly
 [2014-01-12 01:10:14] <HurrahPraga> lasa b was pretty good at penn bowl
 [2014-01-12 01:10:16] <Dylan> teams from lasa are pretty good at hitting the button and saying the correct answer
 [2014-01-12 01:10:19] <Dylan> Corin is science iirc
 [2014-01-12 01:10:28] <christino> ethan is more humanities
 [2014-01-12 01:10:30] <nathanweiser> corin is probably the best high school science player
 [2014-01-12 01:10:31] <samus149> Corin is science irl
 [2014-01-12 01:10:46] <nathanweiser> they're joined by Alex Denko and Forrest Hammel
 [2014-01-12 01:10:50] <christino> irl? not iirc?
 [2014-01-12 01:11:05] <samus149> I think when we played, I got 2, 1 on a race, he got 1, and I negged one that went dead
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 [2014-01-12 01:11:20] <nathanweiser> Denko has really deep history knowledge
 [2014-01-12 01:11:36] <LaziestUsernameEver> And Forrest?
 [2014-01-12 01:11:43] <lasakid> He's a really good captain
 [2014-01-12 01:11:49] <nathanweiser> Forrest is good at some NAQT specialty subjects (sports, ce), but he's kind of lacking a subject right now
 [2014-01-12 01:11:54] <nathanweiser> he is a good captain
 [2014-01-12 01:11:56] <HurrahPraga> wait if corin is the best science player why isn't he on the a team
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 [2014-01-12 01:12:15] <christino> i believe it's because he has to replace someone
 [2014-01-12 01:12:21] <christino> and the cost/benefit thing isn't clear
 [2014-01-12 01:12:33] <nathanweiser> Corin also plays better with Ethan
 [2014-01-12 01:12:41] <HurrahPraga> makes sense
 [2014-01-12 01:12:44] <samus149> The two of them keep taking things by storm
 [2014-01-12 01:12:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> Any weakness in this team?
 [2014-01-12 01:12:55] <nathanweiser> visual art
 [2014-01-12 01:12:58] <lasakid> they're very cute
 [2014-01-12 01:13:01] <lasakid> it's distracting
 [2014-01-12 01:13:02] <ChunkySean> they had lost to Seven Lakes at one point
 [2014-01-12 01:13:07] <ChunkySean> so why was that?
 [2014-01-12 01:13:09] <nathanweiser> more modern history, especially american
 [2014-01-12 01:13:14] <HurrahPraga> i keep reading that as laskarid.  its confusing
 [2014-01-12 01:13:28] <lasakid> haha, the loss to 7lakes was on the a team's packet
 [2014-01-12 01:13:32] <nathanweiser> part of it was that Seven Lakes got a good packet
 [2014-01-12 01:13:46] <nathanweiser> ^actually that was all of it
 [2014-01-12 01:13:51] <lasakid> a remarkably well conceived packet
 [2014-01-12 01:14:03] <samus149> I remember last year they owned HSNCT
 [2014-01-12 01:14:06] <nathanweiser> though Seven Lakes are pretty good at quiz bowl themselves
 [2014-01-12 01:14:18] <HurrahPraga> they stomped us last year at hsnct
 [2014-01-12 01:14:25] <HurrahPraga> assuming they were last year's c team
 [2014-01-12 01:14:28] <lasakid> yup
 [2014-01-12 01:14:30] <samus149> Yeah they are
 [2014-01-12 01:14:36] <samus149> We played them at pace
 [2014-01-12 01:14:38] <nathanweiser> LASA B is definitely a top team this year, but I don't know about top 3
 [2014-01-12 01:14:43] <mbjackson> more lakes, more fun
 [2014-01-12 01:14:47] <LaziestUsernameEver> Top 5?
 [2014-01-12 01:14:52] <samus149> I think that's a fair ranking actually
 [2014-01-12 01:14:53] <nathanweiser> probably
 [2014-01-12 01:15:02] <samus149> They're gonna get better throughout the year
 [2014-01-12 01:15:05] <HurrahPraga> it seems fair
 [2014-01-12 01:15:07] <nathanweiser> next year though... and the year after that...
 [2014-01-12 01:15:28] <ChunkySean> whats up with LASA C this year?
 [2014-01-12 01:15:30] <nathanweiser> if ethan starts studying again, they could really be a top 3 team
 [2014-01-12 01:15:31] <ChunkySean> are they any good?
 [2014-01-12 01:15:36] <christino> i gotta get my middle schoolers in shape
 [2014-01-12 01:15:38] <lasakid> we have no idea who's on lasa c
 [2014-01-12 01:15:39] <samus149> I think they're....eh
 [2014-01-12 01:15:47] <christino> they haven't heard of belarus
 [2014-01-12 01:15:59] <samus149> tbf, neither had I a year ago
 [2014-01-12 01:16:04] <nathanweiser> We have some very talented underclassmen who will be really good in a year or two
 [2014-01-12 01:16:21] <samus149> ^LASA's motto
 [2014-01-12 01:16:25] <ChunkySean> Denko is a junior right?
 [2014-01-12 01:16:26] <nathanweiser> I think LASA C will at least go 6-4 on saturday
 [2014-01-12 01:16:35] <nathanweiser> Yeah, Denko's a junior.
 [2014-01-12 01:17:06] <lasakid> We picked up two from last year's Kealing
 [2014-01-12 01:17:16] <lasakid> They'll probably be on C
 [2014-01-12 01:17:18] <lasakid> maybe Ying
 [2014-01-12 01:17:21] <LaziestUsernameEver> So which LASA kid is lasakid?
 [2014-01-12 01:17:22] <lasakid> all to be seen
 [2014-01-12 01:17:39] <lasakid> Hi! I'm Arnav
 [2014-01-12 01:17:54] <ChunkySean> Why is Ying not on B?
 [2014-01-12 01:18:06] <christino> isn't he mostly science/bio
 [2014-01-12 01:18:16] <nathanweiser> The B team plays really well as a unit
 [2014-01-12 01:18:27] <nathanweiser> and Corin would make Ying redundant
 [2014-01-12 01:18:53] <ChunkySean> alright, thats unfortunate
 [2014-01-12 01:18:55] <ChunkySean> getting demoted
 [2014-01-12 01:19:18] <nathanweiser> actually, a LASA D team of Ying and other lazy seniors could do pretty well at HSNCT
 [2014-01-12 01:19:41] <ChunkySean> who else is there?
 [2014-01-12 01:19:43] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm sure a LASA X team of lazy freshmen could do well at HSNCT.
 [2014-01-12 01:20:00] <ChunkySean> did Darwin graduate
 [2014-01-12 01:20:01] <ChunkySean> ?
 [2014-01-12 01:20:07] <christino> so could LASA aleph
 [2014-01-12 01:20:17] <nathanweiser> Cameron's still there.
 [2014-01-12 01:20:18] <lasakid> Nah, he's a senior
 [2014-01-12 01:20:19] <christino> so anything else unique about corin/ethan/alex/forrest
 [2014-01-12 01:20:48] <christino> what's preventing them from taking the title
 [2014-01-12 01:20:48] <nathanweiser> no not really
 [2014-01-12 01:20:51] <samus149> They've got real knowledge and the synergy to get really high up
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 [2014-01-12 01:21:02] <samus149> Maybe just the age thing
 [2014-01-12 01:21:11] <samus149> idk how much that affects anything
 [2014-01-12 01:21:12] <nathanweiser> everyone who's not corin needs to study more
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 [2014-01-12 01:21:44] <LaziestUsernameEver> That all?
 [2014-01-12 01:21:45] <nathanweiser> but they're really good, and they're at least a top 5 team
 [2014-01-12 01:21:48] <ChunkySean> were the sort of "bred" in the footsteps of the seniors?
 [2014-01-12 01:21:59] <ChunkySean> or have they taken their own "path" i guess?
 [2014-01-12 01:22:06] <lasakid> ?
 [2014-01-12 01:22:11] <lasakid> Not really sure what you mean by that
 [2014-01-12 01:22:13] <christino> i think he means "where they"
 [2014-01-12 01:22:20] <christino> *were
 [2014-01-12 01:22:22] <nathanweiser> not really. Corin and Ethan have always been more motivated than the upperclassmen
 [2014-01-12 01:22:25] <ChunkySean> like have they followed what you guys do
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 [2014-01-12 01:22:32] <ChunkySean> or done their own stuff
 [2014-01-12 01:22:36] <HurrahPraga> in terms of study methods?
 [2014-01-12 01:22:40] <lasakid> If they followed what we do they'd probably be a little worse :P
 [2014-01-12 01:22:57] <samus149> says the #1 team
 [2014-01-12 01:23:00] <ChunkySean> yea i guess
 [2014-01-12 01:23:02] <christino> alright
 [2014-01-12 01:23:07] <christino> i guess we should move on to st. john's
 [2014-01-12 01:23:15] <HurrahPraga> carlos de guzman
 [2014-01-12 01:23:15] <christino> carlo is good
 [2014-01-12 01:23:22] <HurrahPraga> is there anyone else on the team?
 [2014-01-12 01:23:26] <HurrahPraga> or did they graduate
 [2014-01-12 01:23:29] <christino> no one
 [2014-01-12 01:23:30] <lasakid> I think his teammates are going to surprise this year
 [2014-01-12 01:23:31] <samus149> everybody else on the team is also good
 [2014-01-12 01:23:32] <nathanweiser> claire jones is really good at history
 [2014-01-12 01:23:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> I think they all returned.
 [2014-01-12 01:23:34] <ceilingcat> Claire's still on
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 [2014-01-12 01:23:36] <lasakid> They retained everyone from last year
 [2014-01-12 01:23:39] <nathanweiser> especially european history
 [2014-01-12 01:23:45] <christino> out of deven lahoti, george davies, and max huang
 [2014-01-12 01:23:52] <ChunkySean> and Vinay
 [2014-01-12 01:23:54] <christino> who are they gonna put as their 3rd/4th
 [2014-01-12 01:23:54] <nathanweiser> Deven is getting better at science
 [2014-01-12 01:23:57] <lasakid> Max Huang doesn't go to SJS
 [2014-01-12 01:24:00] <nathanweiser> max huang plays for Tyler
 [2014-01-12 01:24:01] <nathanweiser> in Katy
 [2014-01-12 01:24:03] <lasakid> *Taylor
 [2014-01-12 01:24:05] <christino> hm okay
 [2014-01-12 01:24:09] <mbjackson> has st. john's played a high school tournament this year?
 [2014-01-12 01:24:11] <mbjackson> will they?
 [2014-01-12 01:24:14] <mbjackson> does it matter?
 [2014-01-12 01:24:15] <lasakid> They played one today
 [2014-01-12 01:24:21] <lasakid> They didn't have claire though
 [2014-01-12 01:24:22] <mbjackson> i guess that counts then!
 [2014-01-12 01:24:26] <nathanweiser> they played an IS set at St. Mark's today
 [2014-01-12 01:24:37] <nathanweiser> Carlo, George and Deven I think
 [2014-01-12 01:24:49] <LaziestUsernameEver> What makes St. John's better than LASA B? Are they better?
 [2014-01-12 01:25:06] <mbjackson> results?
 [2014-01-12 01:25:09] <nathanweiser> Well, St. Johns beat LASA B at ACF Fall
 [2014-01-12 01:25:15] <HurrahPraga> that'd do it
 [2014-01-12 01:25:16] <ChunkySean> What subjects does Carlos not cover?
 [2014-01-12 01:25:32] <nathanweiser> Carlo is weak in history and science
 [2014-01-12 01:25:49] <lasakid> But Claire and Deven are pretty good
 [2014-01-12 01:25:58] <lasakid> at those subjects respectively
 [2014-01-12 01:26:00] <samus149> science...
 [2014-01-12 01:26:02] <nathanweiser> Claire is actually really, really good at history and british lit
 [2014-01-12 01:26:16] <Dylan> carlo's insane at humanities obviously
 [2014-01-12 01:26:37] <nathanweiser> this is ture
 [2014-01-12 01:26:40] <nathanweiser> *true
 [2014-01-12 01:26:41] <ChunkySean> what does Vinay/george cover?
 [2014-01-12 01:27:02] <lasakid> vinay had some impressive ancient history buzzes at fall
 [2014-01-12 01:27:03] <mbjackson> was today's st. mark's thing non-tqba?
 [2014-01-12 01:27:07] <lasakid> yeah
 [2014-01-12 01:27:14] <lasakid> It's on the naqt website though
 [2014-01-12 01:27:44] <samus149> does having a 5 person team affect them in any way?
 [2014-01-12 01:27:55] <samus149> For better or worse?
 [2014-01-12 01:27:58] <nathanweiser> I think they'll narrow the team down to 4
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 [2014-01-12 01:28:46] <nathanweiser> The St. Johns team will be carlo, claire, deven, and george/vinay
 [2014-01-12 01:29:18] <HurrahPraga> so that texas nasat team
 [2014-01-12 01:29:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> Overall weaknesses?
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 [2014-01-12 01:29:39] <christino> will it involve another road trip with romero
 [2014-01-12 01:29:41] <lasakid> man, they need to let b teams in nasat
 [2014-01-12 01:29:42] <lasakid> sounds fun
 [2014-01-12 01:29:42] <nathanweiser> science, probably, though that will change as deven improves
 [2014-01-12 01:29:45] <LaziestUsernameEver> And what to people think of their ranking?
 [2014-01-12 01:30:10] <HurrahPraga> seems accurate.  can't think of anyone besides lasa a who beats them
 [2014-01-12 01:30:19] <lasakid> they haven
 [2014-01-12 01:30:25] <lasakid> they haven't played anyone but us though
 [2014-01-12 01:30:31] <lasakid> to be fair, neither have we
 [2014-01-12 01:30:33] <nathanweiser> I think, on a good packet, Bellarmine, Ladue, LASA B or Dorman could beat them
 [2014-01-12 01:30:39] <ceilingcat> and Arcadia
 [2014-01-12 01:30:39] <HurrahPraga> consistently
 [2014-01-12 01:30:45] <HurrahPraga> over a large sample size
 [2014-01-12 01:30:49] <HurrahPraga> basically the opposite of quizbowl
 [2014-01-12 01:30:55] <lasakid> haha yeah
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 [2014-01-12 01:31:14] <ceilingcat> well the large sample size is basically the opposite of any competition that isn't chess
 [2014-01-12 01:31:15] <LaziestUsernameEver> Anything left on St. John's?
 [2014-01-12 01:31:21] <nathanweiser> also, they did beat us at ACF Fall, without Deven
 [2014-01-12 01:31:26] <LaziestUsernameEver> Or shall we move on to number 1?
 [2014-01-12 01:31:28] <samus149> Can they win nats?
 [2014-01-12 01:31:34] <nathanweiser> they could
 [2014-01-12 01:31:40] <HurrahPraga> looks like it
 [2014-01-12 01:31:50] <lasakid> very possible
 [2014-01-12 01:31:51] <nathanweiser> but I've heard a rumor that they might not go to NSC
 [2014-01-12 01:32:17] <LaziestUsernameEver> Aw.
 [2014-01-12 01:32:20] <HurrahPraga> that would be big
 [2014-01-12 01:32:58] <LaziestUsernameEver> I can't decide if a LASA A v. LASA B final would be cool, hilarious, or depressing.
 [2014-01-12 01:33:02] <samus149> maybe Robert E Lee will
 [2014-01-12 01:33:06] <nathanweiser> all three
 [2014-01-12 01:33:23] <samus149> mostly depressing
 [2014-01-12 01:33:23] <HurrahPraga> robert e lee should not have been in our bracket last year
 [2014-01-12 01:33:33] <nathanweiser> Carson Davis did look pretty good last year
 [2014-01-12 01:33:39] <lasakid> carson davis is a monster
 [2014-01-12 01:33:56] <lasakid> yeah, two lasa teams, tj, and robert lee in 1 bracket really sucked
 [2014-01-12 01:34:35] <HurrahPraga> how did that even happen
 [2014-01-12 01:35:32] <samus149> can nsc place not have brackets this year
 [2014-01-12 01:35:49] <samus149> card system ftw
 [2014-01-12 01:35:49] <InfiniteStryker0> you want a 64 team RR?
 [2014-01-12 01:35:59] <samus149> course not, this isn't CO
 [2014-01-12 01:36:00] <mbjackson> 96!
 [2014-01-12 01:36:07] <LaziestUsernameEver> Not a fan of power-matching.
 [2014-01-12 01:36:58] <LaziestUsernameEver> So anything more on St. John's?
 [2014-01-12 01:37:23] <nathanweiser> I think they'll make the HSNCT finals at least
 [2014-01-12 01:37:39] <mbjackson> it might be interesting to discuss once the team previews are over
 [2014-01-12 01:37:54] <mbjackson> if there are any teams with significant advantages at one of HSNCT or PACE but not the otehr
 [2014-01-12 01:37:59] <samus149> Yeah it is 2:37 in the morning
 [2014-01-12 01:37:59] <lasakid> It's hard to say anything before TI
 [2014-01-12 01:38:25] <LaziestUsernameEver> Let's move on to LASA A now.
 [2014-01-12 01:38:29] <LaziestUsernameEver> I'm tired.
 [2014-01-12 01:38:32] <samus149> LASA A is good
 [2014-01-12 01:38:41] <LaziestUsernameEver> They get tossups a lot.
 [2014-01-12 01:38:50] <samus149> Bonuses too
 [2014-01-12 01:39:00] <LaziestUsernameEver> They also tend to win.
 [2014-01-12 01:39:14] <samus149> They'll probably win more this year
 [2014-01-12 01:39:45] <LaziestUsernameEver> Who does what subject on this team?
 [2014-01-12 01:40:07] <nathanweiser> its all kind of murky
 [2014-01-12 01:40:26] <lasakid> I guess Nathan and Ben do history
 [2014-01-12 01:40:35] <lasakid> Nathan and Freed do Lit
 [2014-01-12 01:40:42] <lasakid> Ben and Freed and I do Science
 [2014-01-12 01:40:48] <LaziestUsernameEver> What.
 [2014-01-12 01:40:51] <lasakid> No idea
 [2014-01-12 01:40:57] <nathanweiser> Arnav does visual FA and I do auditory FA
 [2014-01-12 01:41:16] <lasakid> Ben and I split religion somehow
 [2014-01-12 01:41:54] <nathanweiser> Arnav knows RMP, myth
 [2014-01-12 01:42:15] <lasakid> I feel like we wrote this out at some point and promptly lost it
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 [2014-01-12 01:42:25] <nathanweiser> it's all poorly defined
 [2014-01-12 01:42:38] <nathanweiser> but it also seems to work
 [2014-01-12 01:42:46] <samus149> good to know that LASA A just does whatever and is #1
 [2014-01-12 01:43:01] <LaziestUsernameEver> So you guys just ... know stuff, and as a result are the best team in the nation.
 [2014-01-12 01:43:02] <LaziestUsernameEver> OK.
 [2014-01-12 01:43:06] <InfiniteStryker0> yeah strictly defining domains never works
 [2014-01-12 01:43:10] <InfiniteStryker0> its way more organic than that
 [2014-01-12 01:43:16] <lasakid> ^
 [2014-01-12 01:43:19] <nathanweiser> well, we study the things that we like
 [2014-01-12 01:43:24] <lasakid> We all have our weird pockets of interest
 [2014-01-12 01:43:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> Hm, never thought of it that way.
 [2014-01-12 01:43:33] <samus149> That seems to work for most teams actually
 [2014-01-12 01:43:34] <lasakid> And then we just cover the gaps as they manifest themselves
 [2014-01-12 01:43:42] <nathanweiser> and Ben and I both like history, but he likes dumb foreign stuff and I like cool American stuff, so it works
 [2014-01-12 01:43:54] <mbjackson> all seniors?
 [2014-01-12 01:43:54] <InfiniteStryker0> like even when my ex-teammate was probably one of the best phil players in the country, i had some random pockets of phil I knew and he knew I knew, etc, etc
 [2014-01-12 01:43:59] <LaziestUsernameEver> Well yeah, but I've never really seen it like this.
 [2014-01-12 01:44:02] <lasakid> 4 seniors
 [2014-01-12 01:44:26] <nathanweiser> we don't study as much as we should
 [2014-01-12 01:44:40] <lasakid> we're making a drive to change that this semester
 [2014-01-12 01:44:43] <nathanweiser> but now that college apps are winding down, that should change
 [2014-01-12 01:44:55] <samus149> I think that's true of most A teams
 [2014-01-12 01:45:13] <samus149> Not a lot of change in the beginning of the year
 [2014-01-12 01:45:23] <HurrahPraga> then college apps get in the way
 [2014-01-12 01:45:36] <samus149> ctrl-c ctrl-v ctrl-s
 [2014-01-12 01:45:48] <nathanweiser> if we have a weakness, it's science
 [2014-01-12 01:46:09] <LaziestUsernameEver> That's been a thing for, like, everyone.
 [2014-01-12 01:46:21] <christino> the hard sciences suck
 [2014-01-12 01:46:24] <HurrahPraga> why does everyone have a science weakness
 [2014-01-12 01:46:26] <christino> the soft sciences are good
 [2014-01-12 01:46:29] <samus149> are LASA B and HT the only schools with science players?
 [2014-01-12 01:46:30] <nathanweiser> not LASA B!
 [2014-01-12 01:46:30] <InfiniteStryker0> aren't you from lasa
 [2014-01-12 01:46:34] <HurrahPraga> sean, go ham
 [2014-01-12 01:46:38] <InfiniteStryker0> doesn't allan sadun have a successor
 [2014-01-12 01:46:39] <ceilingcat> does this LASA A team have upside/downside that last year's LASA team doesn't?
 [2014-01-12 01:46:40] <samus149> HARD SCIENCE
 [2014-01-12 01:46:46] <HurrahPraga> that one guy from st. johns
 [2014-01-12 01:46:52] <lasakid> deven, corin, sean
 [2014-01-12 01:47:02] <samus149> good job america
 [2014-01-12 01:47:10] <HurrahPraga> this is why we're #1
 [2014-01-12 01:47:12] <nathanweiser> We don't have an Allan Sadun who can lock down the science category
 [2014-01-12 01:47:13] <HurrahPraga> freedom
 [2014-01-12 01:47:23] <lasakid> we're so spread out, it's hard to say where we stand compared to others
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 [2014-01-12 01:47:35] <HurrahPraga> true, losing allan hurt.  but you seem to have compensated
 [2014-01-12 01:47:39] <ceilingcat> Allan told me he really only locked down physics and math
 [2014-01-12 01:47:47] <ceilingcat> he was that type of player
 [2014-01-12 01:47:52] <nathanweiser> allan says a lot of things
 [2014-01-12 01:47:52] <samus149> I talked to him once
 [2014-01-12 01:48:00] <samus149> He did everything
 [2014-01-12 01:48:01] <lasakid> allan is a really modest person
 [2014-01-12 01:48:08] <samus149> He was just god at physics and math
 [2014-01-12 01:48:18] <samus149> Demigod at everything else
 [2014-01-12 01:48:21] <nathanweiser> he was also really good at CE and general NAQT shenanigans, so we lose that
 [2014-01-12 01:48:22] <LaziestUsernameEver> I talked with Allan and he struck me as a sort of ... odd.
 [2014-01-12 01:48:31] <samus149> He was very odd
 [2014-01-12 01:48:36] <samus149> I liked him immediately
 [2014-01-12 01:48:46] <christino> what's that game he played with me
 [2014-01-12 01:48:52] <christino> with the colored dots on the cards
 [2014-01-12 01:48:53] <nathanweiser> and Arthur Lee could lock down classical music usually, and I can't do that
 [2014-01-12 01:48:55] <Dylan> allan definitely struck me as the likable type of odd
 [2014-01-12 01:48:58] <lasakid> ProSet!
 [2014-01-12 01:49:02] <christino> ah that's right
 [2014-01-12 01:49:04] <InfiniteStryker0> Set's great
 [2014-01-12 01:49:14] <lasakid> Man, we haven't played that since he left
 [2014-01-12 01:49:16] <InfiniteStryker0> it's a math contest thing
 [2014-01-12 01:49:19] <lasakid> http://proset.herokuapp.com/
 [2014-01-12 01:49:23] <lasakid> Looks like the app's still up though
 [2014-01-12 01:49:29] <InfiniteStryker0> everyone who does olympiad stuff loves it for some reason
 [2014-01-12 01:49:35] <nathanweiser> if we have anything going for us, it's that we practice a lot
 [2014-01-12 01:49:48] <nathanweiser> well, "practice", but still, we play a lot of quiz bowl
 [2014-01-12 01:49:53] <samus149> and your coach is awesome incarnate
 [2014-01-12 01:50:06] <mbjackson> flow wow
 [2014-01-12 01:50:10] <nathanweiser> and we get to play top teams (LASA B, St. Johns, Harmony North Austin) frequently
 [2014-01-12 01:50:26] <nathanweiser> Mr. Flowers is the James Carville of high school quiz bowl
 [2014-01-12 01:50:38] <lasakid> good ol' southern boy
 [2014-01-12 01:50:45] <nathanweiser> i.e he's a cynical balding cajun
 [2014-01-12 01:50:54] <ceilingcat> Fleitas is also a cajun
 [2014-01-12 01:51:03] <ceilingcat> though I'm not sure about the cynical or balding
 [2014-01-12 01:51:15] <lasakid> haha
 [2014-01-12 01:51:18] <LaziestUsernameEver> So to be a top tier team you need 1. a scooter and 2. a Cajun coach?
 [2014-01-12 01:51:51] <lasakid> the scooter has to be pretty dilapidated
 [2014-01-12 01:51:52] <nathanweiser> 3. an hour long lunch to practice during
 [2014-01-12 01:51:55] <samus149> Pretty sure the scooter thing was in Family Guy at some point
 [2014-01-12 01:51:56] <christino> i don't believe julie gittings was cajun
 [2014-01-12 01:52:00] <ceilingcat> well Bell A 2012 didn't have scooters, but all 3 of us were arachnophobes
 [2014-01-12 01:52:17] <christino> also i'm never going near a scooter after i broke my arm riding one the day before my 10th birthday
 [2014-01-12 01:52:18] <HurrahPraga> so you need a paralyzing fear of spiders?
 [2014-01-12 01:52:25] <nathanweiser> birds
 [2014-01-12 01:52:32] <ceilingcat> if you want to unnerve Sameer before a game
 [2014-01-12 01:52:38] <ceilingcat> just show him a picture of a spider
 [2014-01-12 01:52:43] <ceilingcat> you'll win
 [2014-01-12 01:52:52] <HurrahPraga> really?  someone test this
 [2014-01-12 01:52:53] <samus149> I am actually going to bring one to HSNCT now
 [2014-01-12 01:52:58] <christino> toss up maman or louis bourgieous
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 [2014-01-12 01:53:12] <ceilingcat> dude we actually visited the guggenheim bilbao
 [2014-01-12 01:53:14] <ceilingcat> together
 [2014-01-12 01:53:19] <LaziestUsernameEver> Will wearing spider masks work, too?
 [2014-01-12 01:53:22] <ceilingcat> with that bourgieois sculpture
 [2014-01-12 01:53:29] <christino> what if i wear a spiderman suit
 [2014-01-12 01:53:30] <ceilingcat> and when he saw it he freaked out
 [2014-01-12 01:53:38] <christino> to hsnct
 [2014-01-12 01:53:44] <christino> while wearing that coonskin cap
 [2014-01-12 01:53:55] <HurrahPraga> only one way to find out
 [2014-01-12 01:54:01] <nathanweiser> okay, that's pretty much everything about LASA A
 [2014-01-12 01:54:10] <christino> okay
 [2014-01-12 01:54:11] <samus149> so now nationals talk?
 [2014-01-12 01:54:13] <HurrahPraga> in summary: scooters and cajuns
 [2014-01-12 01:54:17] <nathanweiser> sleep
 [2014-01-12 01:54:17] <christino> yeah
 [2014-01-12 01:54:21] <lasakid> to cajuns!
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 [2014-01-12 01:54:22] <christino> well for some people
 [2014-01-12 01:54:30] <samus149> you guys are 2 hours behind!
 [2014-01-12 01:54:34] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, it's almost 3 on the east coast.
 [2014-01-12 01:54:34] <lasakid> only 1
 [2014-01-12 01:54:35] <christino> 1 hour
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 [2014-01-12 01:54:37] <Golden_Kumquat> Finals Round 2 of HSNCT inexplicably features a bio tossup on spiders, a trash tossup on Spiderman, a history tossup on the Spider King, and a sports bonus on the Cleveland Spiders
 [2014-01-12 01:54:54] <christino> don't forget the NAQT random tossup on the spyder
 [2014-01-12 01:55:10] <Dylan> throw in a tossup on louis the spider king
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 [2014-01-12 01:55:26] <christino> and a YA lit tossup on charlotte's web
 [2014-01-12 01:55:34] <LaziestUsernameEver> Well, I guess I can stay up as long as AGDQ is still going on.
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 [2014-01-12 01:55:42] <HurrahPraga> they'd better not have YA in HSNCT finals
 [2014-01-12 01:55:52] <LaziestUsernameEver> Oh god YA.
 [2014-01-12 01:55:56] <lasakid> no >.>
 [2014-01-12 01:55:57] <christino> they're going to toss up enid blyton and sameer is going to win
 [2014-01-12 01:55:58] <InfiniteStryker0> AGDQ?
 [2014-01-12 01:56:00] <samus149> nooooooooooo
 [2014-01-12 01:56:06] <InfiniteStryker0> the speedrunning cancer charity thing?
 [2014-01-12 01:56:08] <LaziestUsernameEver> Awesome Games Done Quick.
 [2014-01-12 01:56:15] <HurrahPraga> does anyone actually like YA
 [2014-01-12 01:56:15] <LaziestUsernameEver> Yeah, they're doing Chrono Trigger right now.
 [2014-01-12 01:56:15] <lasakid> yeah
 [2014-01-12 01:56:16] <InfiniteStryker0> what game are they doing?
 [2014-01-12 01:56:19] <InfiniteStryker0> !!!!!!
 [2014-01-12 01:56:23] <InfiniteStryker0> link please
 [2014-01-12 01:56:24] <samus149> inb4 john green book tossups
 [2014-01-12 01:56:28] <lasakid> http://gamesdonequick.com/
 [2014-01-12 01:56:28] <LaziestUsernameEver> 6+ hour estimate, lol.
 [2014-01-12 01:56:32] <LaziestUsernameEver> http://www.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda
 [2014-01-12 01:56:44] <LaziestUsernameEver> They did Punch Out blindfolded. It was amazing.
 [2014-01-12 01:56:52] <LaziestUsernameEver> Today is the last day, though.
 [2014-01-12 01:57:10] <InfiniteStryker0> oh they're doing sidequests too
 [2014-01-12 01:57:14] <InfiniteStryker0> fun