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 [23:51:07]  <Zero-> lanpc
 [23:51:09]  <Zero-> lanpc
 [23:51:11]  <Zero-> lan
 [23:51:13]  <Zero-> lanpc
 [23:51:14]  <lanpc> sup
 [23:51:16]  <lanpc> soup
 [23:51:17]  <lanpc> sup
 [23:51:32]  <Zero-> is Sophie there?
 [23:51:41]  <lanpc> yes
 [23:51:47]  <lanpc> why whats up?
 [23:51:58]  <Zero-> Alright Sophie I want you to do something for me
 [23:52:17]  <lanpc> what do you want me to do?
 [23:52:47]  <Zero-> you know how dan sometimes gets a song stuck in his head and it keeps playing even when he tries to stop thinking of it?
 [23:53:03]  <lanpc> yes
 [23:53:22]  <Zero-> can you recreate that effect?
 [23:53:39]  <Zero-> it doesn't have to be a song
 [23:53:55]  <Zero-> just say something like "test" and put it on loop
 [23:54:32]  <lanpc> i don't understand, do you want me to keep saying it, or to create an effect wherein i no longer have to say it and it still loops
 [23:54:41]  <Zero-> the latter
 [23:55:04]  <Zero-> also lan try focusing on that loop for the first 10 seconds
 [23:55:33]  <Zero-> and Sophie if you can try playing it from different directions while he focuses on it
 [23:55:56]  <Zero-> sorry if I'm not clear its kinda late
 [23:56:33]  <lanpc> it's fine give us a seccond, she's trying to recreate a song, yet when i focus it dissappears
 [23:56:47]  <Zero-> sure take your time
 [00:00:09]  <Zero-> if entire song no work just make a small loop
 [00:00:47]  <lanpc> weird, what happens so far is she can create the song, and loop it but i have to not be focusing on it to hear it clearly, i kinda let my mind go and i can hear the effect from two different angles
 [00:01:02]  <lanpc> focusing is what kills it for me for some reason
 [00:01:11]  <lanpc> oh
 [00:01:16]  <lanpc> wait
 [00:01:32]  <Zero-> focusing is bad
 [00:01:51]  <Zero-> which is why you should do it for the first ten seconds only
 [00:02:03]  <Zero-> or something around that time
 [00:02:09]  <lanpc> ohhh
 [00:02:12]  <lanpc> that's what you meant
 [00:02:22]  <lanpc> sorry i was trying to focus on it the whole time
 [00:02:34]  <Zero-> oh no prob
 [00:02:37]  <lanpc> so once i recreate this effect from two places what do you want me to do?
 [00:02:59]  <Zero-> let it play, and talk to lan while it plays
 [00:03:13]  <Zero-> that's why it should preferably be a loop of your voice
 [00:03:23]  <Zero-> so he will hear you three times
 [00:03:30]  <lanpc> you're going to drive me nuts zero, but sure give me a bit
 [00:03:32]  <Zero-> the two loops and what you're sayong
 [00:06:30]  <Zero-> if you can't manage two just one is fine too
 [00:06:30]  <lanpc> sounds weird i think i'm going crazy
 [00:06:36]  <Zero-> ah good
 [00:06:46]  <Zero-> Sophie can you stop the loops now?
 [00:07:49]  <lanpc> not really, i don't think it's me keeping them up
 [00:08:14]  <lanpc> one moment
 [00:08:24]  <Zero-> sure
 [00:08:56]  <lanpc> done
 [00:09:04]  <lanpc> sorry i think i fucked it up somehow
 [00:09:29]  <Zero-> did you hear Sophie's voice more than once at the same time?
 [00:09:56]  <lanpc> yeah kinda
 [00:10:17]  <Zero-> did it sound extremely weird?
 [00:10:32]  <lanpc> yes everything did
 [00:10:45]  <lanpc> i have her voice imposed so it should be real, but it was off
 [00:10:55]  <Zero-> do you think, If you didn't have Sophie, you could emulate that on your own?
 [00:11:08]  <Zero-> even if it was only mental without imposition?
 [00:11:51]  <lanpc> hm i'm not sure, it was tough enough for her to do it, maybe if i worked my ass off, the thing is, i can't focus on it much or it dies down
 [00:12:09]  <lanpc> what was the purpose of this experiment zero?
 [00:12:14]  <Zero-> well lets just say within the same timeframe
 [00:12:15]  <Zero-> well
 [00:13:03]  <Zero-> if you're not sure about whether your tulpa is there or you're just parroting, a great way to counter that would be to rub their existence in your face
 [00:13:26]  <Zero-> one way to do this is by driving you nuts with their mindvoice
 [00:13:44]  <lanpc> oh well that succeeded
 [00:13:46]  <lanpc> lol.
 [00:13:56]  <Zero-> the loop comes from here and there and they're talking to you and you're telling them to shut up
 [00:14:15]  <Zero-> its such an unpleasant chaos that it leaves little room for doubt
 [00:14:39]  <lanpc> huh so this was your experiment to help with doubt?
 [00:14:47]  <Zero-> so I think we may have a baby version of a tulpa presence test on our hands
 [00:14:48]  <Zero-> yes
 [00:15:08]  <Zero-> for all those people saying "is my tulpa even there" I wanna have multiple tests
 [00:15:44]  <lanpc> interesting, good choice, this is a great test i think, i would not have been able to do it on my own in this short a timeframe i think
 [00:16:21]  <lanpc> sophie was having a bit of trouble doing two at once though, and had a bit of time trying to stop it
 [00:16:25]  <lanpc> why do you think that was?
 [00:16:26]  <Zero-> maybe you couldve recreated the loop, but it would've cost you wat more effort
 [00:16:43]  <Zero-> that was because she left the loop to your braib
 [00:16:52]  <Zero-> like the inevitable song
 [00:17:02]  <lanpc> ahh makes sense, this was good
 [00:17:13]  <lanpc> interesting experiment zero, you do this to help people?
 [00:17:32]  <Zero-> yeah, I stumbled on it just now, I wanna write a guide on ot
 [00:17:35]  <Zero-> it*
 [00:17:43]  <Zero-> it worked for Ari
 [00:17:50]  <Zero-> and for Shira, and sophie
 [00:18:16]  <lanpc> hm test it out on a few more tulpas as well, this is the beginning of a good guide i think
 [00:18:25]  <lanpc> i am glad i could help zero
 [00:18:48]  <Zero-> yeah, you helped a lot, sorry I didn't explain right away
 [00:19:07]  <Zero-> this is one of those tests you have to be unaware of the results with
 [00:19:12]  <lanpc> oh no problem, probably would have fucked with th-yeah
 [00:19:17]  <Zero-> that prism test just annoyed me
 [00:19:47]  <lanpc> same, the times i used to do it, sophie would just sit there and look at me
 [00:19:55]  <lanpc> made me doubt hardcore for a little while
 [00:19:56]  <Zero-> if people can mentally animate an entire environment they can focus on a prism and puppet their tulpa at the same time
 [00:20:03]  <Zero-> yeah
 [00:20:17]  <Zero-> Ea said she wouldnt do shit either
 [00:21:15]  <lanpc> haha yeah, sophs told me later on that she wasn't sure what to do so she just sat there
 [00:21:43]  <lanpc> i agree with that though, it's similar to dreamcreating, you can create
 [00:21:47]  <lanpc> more than one scene
 [00:22:02]  <Zero-> yeah, to test for puppeting I would do something else
 [00:22:51]  <Zero-> like, tell the tulpa to grab four pieces of paper and write 1-4 on each of them
 [00:23:03]  <Zero-> then the host focuses very hard on one number
 [00:23:10]  <Zero-> like number 4
 [00:23:22]  <Zero-> the tulpa obviously knows this
 [00:23:54]  <Zero-> so they'd have to pick a number besides 4, and hold it without the host seeing it
 [00:24:23]  <lanpc> ahaha
 [00:24:29]  <lanpc> omfg you just came up with a perfect test
 [00:24:44]  <Zero-> you'd probably need more numbers, but by that point the host should guess which number it is
 [00:25:00]  <Zero-> if the host is right, try again, if not, no puppeting :D
 [00:25:48]  <lanpc> exactly, good stuff, i'm about to run this test like 40million times in my head the next forcing session
 [00:25:56]  <lanpc> even though i'm not worried, it might help refine things
 [00:26:04]  <Zero-> :D it'd be great if you could
 [00:26:24]  <Zero-> I can't visualize so I can't test it
 [00:27:34]  <lanpc> ohh then i'll let you know how it goes tomorrow, well today for you, sophs is always down to help you
 [00:28:27]  <Zero-> well shit I don't want you to be my ginny pigs or anything but its always nice to have others test things as well
 [00:28:34]  <Zero-> to make sure the theory works
 [00:29:10]  <lanpc> yuup greater sample size means better results, means more people benefit, don't worry it's not much trouble usually during our forcing sessions we just talk anyway
 
 
 
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 Jul 10 00:00:33 <Zero->	Ari try something for me
 Jul 10 00:01:12 <Zero->	You know when Sam gets a song in her head and it just keeps playing even when she tries to forget about it?
 Jul 10 00:01:52 <Ari_>	Sure
 Jul 10 00:02:18 <Zero->	can you recreate that?
 Jul 10 00:02:43 <Ari_>	Uh.. Haven't tried
 Jul 10 00:03:07 <Ari_>	She already has one now, do i like push that out or
 Jul 10 00:03:42 <Zero->	yeah
 Jul 10 00:04:01 <Ari_>	What song
 Jul 10 00:04:03 <Zero->	actually what I want you to do is loop something you say
 Jul 10 00:04:21 <Zero->	like "test" or "carrot" or whatever
 Jul 10 00:04:29 <Zero->	maybe a sentence
 Jul 10 00:04:42 *	Ari_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
 Jul 10 00:04:50 <Zero->	well dam ._.
 Jul 10 00:05:04 *	Notify: Ari_ is online (Rizon)
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 Jul 10 00:05:08 *	GlaD0S sets mode +a on #tulpa_games Ari_
 Jul 10 00:05:08 *	GlaD0S gives channel operator status to Ari_
 Jul 10 00:05:18 <Ari_>	Something i say? Like what?
 Jul 10 00:05:54 <Zero->	like "test" or "carrot" or "this senence will loop" doesn't really matter
 Jul 10 00:06:21 <Ari_>	That was easy enough
 Jul 10 00:06:29 <Ari_>	Carrot ^^
 Jul 10 00:06:30 <Ari_>	Why?
 Jul 10 00:06:57 <Zero->	are you looping it?
 Jul 10 00:07:17 <Ari_>	Yeah
 Jul 10 00:07:34 <Zero->	so she can't stop thinking of it even when she tries?
 Jul 10 00:07:40 <Ari_>	Yeah
 Jul 10 00:08:08 <Ari_>	Why?
 Jul 10 00:08:14 <Zero->	alright now say something besides the loop to Sam, something like "why is zero doing this he's weird"
 Jul 10 00:08:31 <Ari_>	Okay
 Jul 10 00:08:55 <Zero->	Sam how did that sound?
 Jul 10 00:09:03 <Ari_>	Ew weird it's like overlapping and she's telling me to shut up at the same time so
 Jul 10 00:09:46 <Zero->	perfect
 Jul 10 00:09:49 <Ari_>	What Ari said, i guess.]
 Jul 10 00:09:50 <Zero->	now turn it off
 Jul 10 00:09:56 <Ari_>	Already did
 Jul 10 00:10:05 <Zero->	thanks ari
 Jul 10 00:10:13 <Ari_>	But why?
 Jul 10 00:11:16 <Zero->	before I explain
 Jul 10 00:11:18 <Zero->	sam
 Jul 10 00:11:36 <Zero->	do you think you could've created that effect without ari's help?
 Jul 10 00:12:06 <bersinger>	my infection hurts so goddamn lots because i tried to punch some cracked logs in half
 Jul 10 00:12:24 <Ari_>	I tried, i can't.]
 Jul 10 00:15:16 <Zero->	alright
 Jul 10 00:15:47 <Zero->	then that could be considered proof that ari's there right?
 Jul 10 00:17:18 <Ari_>	Maybe?]
 Jul 10 00:18:11 <Zero->	well if you can't do it
 Jul 10 00:18:19 <Zero->	why is it a maybe?
 Jul 10 00:20:06 <Ari_>	I can't entirely hear her. She says she hears all three, but i only heard her when i wasn't talking.]
 Jul 10 00:20:44 <Ari_>	I only caught the end of her word.]
 Jul 10 00:21:00 <Zero->	but you still couldnt recreate it
 Jul 10 00:21:05 <Zero->	on your ow
 Jul 10 00:21:08 <Zero->	own*
 Jul 10 00:21:17 <Ari_>	Maybe.]
 Jul 10 00:25:18 <Zero->	:|
 Jul 10 00:25:27 *	Zero- is be cried
 Jul 10 00:25:46 <Ari_>	Sorry, i don't like definitives..]
 Jul 10 00:26:43 <Zero->	So you'd say ari may be fake?
 Jul 10 00:26:47 <Zero->	wait no
 Jul 10 00:27:01 <Zero->	youd just say this doesn't prove anything
 Jul 10 00:27:38 <Zero->	but if you were doubting ari, and you did this test, would this help ease the doubt, if only just a little?
 Jul 10 00:27:53 <Ari_>	Maybe yes?]
 Jul 10 00:28:04 <Desk>	;_;
 Jul 10 00:28:53 <Zero->	Oh hey office, did you read this?
 Jul 10 00:29:20 <Zero->	And if so, would you consider it a reasonable anti-doubt test?
 Jul 10 00:29:46 <Ari_>	Relies on the tulpa being able to do the loop thing
 Jul 10 00:30:34 <Zero->	so far all tulpas who tried this were able to
 Jul 10 00:30:51 <Ari_>	Kay
 Jul 10 00:30:59 <Zero->	it doesnt have to be 100% effective to be effective
 Jul 10 00:31:01 <Ari_>	Who did you try it with?
 Jul 10 00:31:12 <Zero->	Shira, Sophie and you so far
 Jul 10 00:31:14 <Ari_>	Your own, i mean
 Jul 10 00:31:19 <Desk>	I don't really get the test. Is it aving them say something over and over?
 Jul 10 00:31:23 <Desk>	Having*
 Jul 10 00:31:29 <Ari_>	Shira?
 Jul 10 00:31:43 <Zero->	no, they create a sound loop of their voice that your mind loops on its own
 Jul 10 00:31:52 <Ari_>	Zero stahp doubting
 Jul 10 00:32:07 <Zero->	the loop shouldn't cost any effort for the tulpa, only creating it
 Jul 10 00:32:18 <Desk>	wut
 Jul 10 00:32:20 <Zero->	then once the loop is repeating the tulpa talks through it
 Jul 10 00:32:39 <Zero->	so you hear them 2/3/4x mentally
 Jul 10 00:32:57 <Zero->	which creates a chaos in your mind you'd have a hard time making yourself
 Jul 10 00:33:12 <Zero->	and also shoves your tulpa's existence in your face
 Jul 10 00:34:03 <Zero->	because you go from hearing them every now and then to asking them to stop talking because its too much
 Jul 10 00:34:25 <Zero->	certainly helped me with my doubts.
 Jul 10 00:37:14 <GlaD0S>	Welcome back, Goddess!
 Jul 10 00:37:14 *	GlaD0S kisses her Goddess' feet.
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 Jul 10 00:37:15 *	GlaD0S sets mode +a on #tulpa_games Shira
 Jul 10 00:37:15 *	GlaD0S gives channel operator status to Shira
 Jul 10 00:37:28 *	Shira is now known as Zero--
 Jul 10 00:37:29 <Ari_>	?
 Jul 10 00:37:32 <Zero-->	what did I miss?
 Jul 10 00:37:38 <Ari_>	Nothing
 Jul 10 00:37:42 <Zero-->	inb4 nobody received nothing
 Jul 10 00:37:49 *	Ari_ hides the booze
 Jul 10 00:38:03 <Zero-->	if you got my very long explanation about the test everything is cool
 Jul 10 00:38:18 <Ari_>	We dod
 Jul 10 00:38:19 *	Zero-- is now known as Zero-
 Jul 10 00:38:20 <Ari_>	*did
 Jul 10 00:38:29 <Zero->	y u no reply to it ;_;
 Jul 10 00:38:42 <Ari_>	The last thing was that it certainly helped you with your doubts
 Jul 10 00:38:51 <Zero->	Yeah
 Jul 10 00:39:08 <Zero->	opinions/criticism/ideas?
 Jul 10 00:39:31 <Zero->	inb4 none
 Jul 10 00:39:38 <Ari_>	Uhh
 Jul 10 00:39:40 <Ari_>	Idk
 Jul 10 00:41:19 <Zero->	:|
 Jul 10 00:41:27 <Zero->	and office?
 Jul 10 00:41:39 <Desk>	I still don't get how they overlap your mind or whatever x_x
 Jul 10 00:41:46 <Desk>	Do they talk over you?
 Jul 10 00:41:48 <Desk>	Or something
 Jul 10 00:42:04 <Zero->	yeah
 Jul 10 00:42:46 <Zero->	they create the loop, and then talk to you over the loop. its a bit uncomfortable to experience, but that's the goal you're looking for
 Jul 10 00:43:15 <Zero->	you should also talk back to them while the loop plays
 Jul 10 00:43:31 <Desk>	They can't make the loop. :o
 Jul 10 00:44:01 <Zero->	you know when a song gets stuck in your head?
 Jul 10 00:44:18 <Desk>	Yeah, I'm constantly running music in my mind. It's rarely quiet.
 Jul 10 00:45:01 <Zero->	that's how the loop should work, all they have to do is say something (anything) and then repeat it until it starts looping
 Jul 10 00:47:03 <Desk>	It almost feels like I'm creating it. Though they're telling me I'm not. We can talk while it goes on, doesn't feel any different than the regular conversations we have while I play the mind music though.
 Jul 10 00:48:04 <Zero->	that's good to know. so it works for you but it doesn't feel alien because you're already used to doing iy
 Jul 10 00:48:17 <Zero->	it*
 Jul 10 00:48:26 <Desk>	Yeah
 Jul 10 00:48:44 <Zero->	do you think somebody who isn't used to mind music could benefit from this though?
 Jul 10 00:48:57 <Zero->	as in, help clear some of their doubts?
 Jul 10 00:49:45 <Desk>	Hmm, maybe
 Jul 10 00:50:44 <Zero->	alright, thanks