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 [3:16 PM] enkelin: so you really think escalating this is a good idea for RE, huh
 [3:16 PM] enkelin: you know you guys drastically overstepped your bounds this uni
 [3:16 PM] enkelin: with the tithe, taking gals from Traders, SRX, SaP
 [3:17 PM] DoW: Hola
 [3:17 PM] enkelin: hola to you
 [3:17 PM] DoW: I don't disagree with you
 [3:17 PM] DoW: I said this myself, hopefully to DS as well as the rest of the leadership
 [3:18 PM] enkelin: what statement are you referring to
 [3:18 PM] DoW: overstepping bounds
 [3:19 PM] DoW: Pissed off way too many teams all in one uni
 [3:19 PM] enkelin: so what's all this about RE planning to retaliate
 [3:19 PM] DoW: ?
 [3:19 PM] DoW: where?
 [3:19 PM] enkelin: I honestly expected smarter from you guys, compared to thrm
 [3:19 PM] enkelin: please, you really think my teammates don't tell me when you make threats like that
 [3:20 PM] DoW: me?
 [3:20 PM] enkelin: "SaP space will die. RF space will die. SRX space will die."
 [3:20 PM] enkelin: your words, not mine
 [3:21 PM] DoW: "RE Space can die"
 [3:21 PM] DoW: lol
 [3:21 PM] DoW: maybe I should have used the word would
 [3:22 PM] DoW: if Alan wants to quote the rest verbatim that would have been more useful for context
 [3:22 PM] enkelin: oh I'm seeing the whole thing, trust me
 [3:22 PM] enkelin: but if you want to walk some of it back, that's fine with me
 [3:23 PM] DoW: So I'm sure you saw before that I put 'IF this goes the way it COULD'
 [3:23 PM] enkelin: indeed
 [3:23 PM] DoW: So there's nothing there promising a retaliation to anything
 [3:23 PM] enkelin: I don't see how it could go that way unless RE are total maniacs
 [3:24 PM] DoW: Well I wasn't even online at that point
 [3:26 PM] enkelin: just FYI, the entire operation was conceived as a slap on the wrist
 [3:26 PM] DoW: so where do we proceed from here
 [3:26 PM] enkelin: we made sure not to hit any RE core gals, and in fact we were prepared to use diplomacy midway if it had been offered
 [3:26 PM] enkelin: our objectives were to remove RE from SaP and SRX claims, and from anatolia
 [3:26 PM] DoW: well played
 [3:26 PM] DoW: SaP and SRX Claims?
 [3:26 PM] enkelin: we took your HQ in order to have a bargaining position of cutting your ownership abilities
 [3:26 PM] DoW: oh nvm
 [3:27 PM] enkelin: so from the very first, it was always a targeted strike with no commitment to escalation unless required by RE response
 [3:27 PM] DoW: good to know
 [3:27 PM] DoW: so what of Sondadarla and Hipparcos or whatever now
 [3:28 PM] enkelin: our terms are pretty simple
 [3:29 PM] enkelin: 1) no aggressive action against SRX, RF, SaP, Traders this or next uni.
 2) no contesting Traders emp claim for the remainder of the uni
 
 We will hold Sondadarla and Hipparcos as collateral for the agreement, in order to have staging areas in the event of a breach.
 [3:30 PM] enkelin: As you can see, the primary purpose of our terms is in line with our stated objective of correcting what we deemed was too aggressive play on RE's part
 [3:30 PM] DoW: Collateral?
 [3:30 PM] DoW: It cuts our teamspace in two
 [3:30 PM] enkelin: that is correct
 [3:30 PM] enkelin: if you breach our terms, it will be with possibly severe consequences to us or our allies
 [3:30 PM] enkelin: sneak attacks are powerful things you know
 [3:31 PM] enkelin: in that eventuality, we insist on having the ability to strike with much greater force, as afforded by lack of owned galaxies
 [3:31 PM] DoW: Sneak attacks are especially powerful after a mid uni major base rehaul resulting in severe problems with bases
 [3:31 PM] enkelin: Danger has gone over all of the claims about broken bases today
 [3:31 PM] enkelin: he has found nothing of particular note, after a pretty exhaustive analysis
 [3:32 PM] enkelin: you can talk to him directly if you want to know the specifics
 [3:32 PM] enkelin: and as always, a breach of the peace would result in uni+1 consequences
 [3:33 PM] DoW: Fruits is willing to refund kits for Hipparcos
 [3:33 PM] enkelin: Traders has no great fondness for being the uni police. We wouldn't have taken on this role if it had not been for the quorum of other teams who saw things the same way
 [3:33 PM] DoW: Well that's precisely what's happening
 [3:33 PM] enkelin: Yes, because of extenuating circumstances
 [3:33 PM] DoW: SaP can have Foxtrot and Fitnushel
 [3:34 PM] enkelin: As I said at the beginning of this conversation, RE have grossly overstepped their bounds and it was determined by these four teams that that should be corrected, even at cost to ourselves
 [3:34 PM] DoW: extenuating? Other than Roonan which was the action of 1 player we've done shit all to traders
 [3:34 PM] enkelin: not just to us
 [3:34 PM] enkelin: If you hadn't busted up SRX and SaP for that bogus reason, we probably would have let Roonan slide
 [3:34 PM] enkelin: But DS has already raked you over the coals for that
 [3:34 PM] DoW: If anything I think we've worked perfectly amimcably to maintain good relations with Traders, particularly between DS and myself
 [3:34 PM] DoW: SRX lost 1 gal for shit KMW ruins
 [3:35 PM] DoW: KM*
 [3:35 PM] enkelin: You know full well that RE have been complete dicks to the player base this uni, and we and the rest of our group have had enough
 [3:35 PM] DoW: SaP BVB'd us at uniset
 [3:35 PM] DoW: exactly what happend in roonan
 [3:35 PM] enkelin: I'm not interested in discussing your opinion on whether RE is or is not overstepping their bounds this uni
 [3:35 PM] DoW: Again I don't disagree with you
 [3:35 PM] enkelin: It was the determination of our alliance that this was the case, and we acted accordingly
 [3:35 PM] DoW: but I don't particularly agree with Traders getting involved, I was quite happy with Traders - RE relations as they stood
 [3:35 PM] enkelin: Sometimes actions can have global consequences
 [3:36 PM] DoW: well you've brought it up twice now and I've agreed with you both times..
 [3:36 PM] enkelin: We have friends on other teams, and we stick up for those friends
 [3:36 PM] enkelin: Even in this case at the possible cost of RE-Traders relations
 [3:36 PM] DoW: so do we, SRX lost 1 gal
 SaP lost a load of shit galaxies
 RF have lost nothing
 [3:36 PM] DoW: Traders lost nothing
 [3:36 PM] enkelin: Getting back to your offers
 [3:36 PM] enkelin: SaP already have Foxtrot and Fintushel if they want them
 [3:36 PM] enkelin: You are not offering us anything we don't already have
 [3:37 PM] DoW: Fintushel has shit all in terms of defences
 [3:37 PM] DoW: I said keep
 [3:37 PM] enkelin: If you really want us to pull out of Hipparcos, it will be costly to you
 [3:37 PM] DoW: Or rather, I intended to
 [3:37 PM] enkelin: I am not super interested in extracting a surrender cost this time, unlike in previous Traders conflicts
 [3:37 PM] DoW: So, fruts offer of refunds for Hipparcos kits, no retalliation against any team
 [3:37 PM] enkelin: that's not sufficient, sorry
 [3:38 PM] enkelin: if you really want team ownership, the cost will be steep because it's not really in the interest of the alliance
 [3:38 PM] enkelin: the interests of the alliance are much more aligned with keeping RE in a knackered state this uni, to make doubly sure that no retaliation will take place
 [3:38 PM] DoW: afk being a taxi
 [3:39 PM] enkelin: lol
 [3:39 PM] enkelin: Furthermore, the main reason you would insist on regaining ownership is if you actually planned to go on the offensive
 [3:39 PM] enkelin: You have my word that there will be no alliance-sanctioned action against RE unowned gals if your part of the terms are satisfied
 [3:39 PM] DoW: like that would stop retalliation from any of the teams
 [3:40 PM] enkelin: And my word is backed up by the spotless way in which this 4-team operation was conducted
 [3:40 PM] enkelin: Not to mention the fact that such action would be totally pointless and most likely just put us into a conflict with a desperate team