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  1. Jho - Today at 7:57 PM
  2. think ive seen you around in some OU tours and stuff doing well too?
  3. Jordy - Today at 7:57 PM
  4. im a pretty shit player
  5. only play tours w friends
  6. coz i feel tours take a part of fun away for me
  7. Jho - Today at 7:58 PM
  8. what is it about the CAP meta you want to know?
  9. i can respect that more fun with friends
  10. wasnt there a RMT u did recently of a really high peeking team
  11. it was either you or you were credited icr
  12. Jordy - Today at 7:59 PM
  13. yeah it was mine
  14. happyland 2.0
  15. peaked #196 on ladder which is better than where i am usually at
  16. Marjane - Today at 7:59 PM
  17. same
  18. reachzero - Today at 7:59 PM
  19. Welcome to CAP
  20. Jho - Today at 7:59 PM
  21. damn not bad
  22. Jho - Today at 8:00 PM
  23. CAP is essentially similar but the meta is a tad more offensive mostly because of our wallbreakers in Volkraken, Colosoil, Necturna and kinda Kril
  24. also trick room is much better and prominent because of Fidgits ability, persistent which extends it by 2 turns
  25. and then theres tomohawk which
  26. basically means we have fewer set up sweepers because of its access to Prankster Haze, roost, taunt etc
  27. Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
  28. Yah I am using that team lol
  29. Dunno if you saw
  30. Jordy - Today at 8:01 PM
  31. i did which was ultimately what got me interested
  32. reachzero - Today at 8:01 PM
  33. I'd say CAP has three really metagame- changing Pokemon
  34. Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
  35. Sweet
  36. I have missed gastro lol
  37. Jordy - Today at 8:01 PM
  38. cuz from what i read its similar to the ou metagame but i wna know what notable differences there are
  39. Birkal - Today at 8:01 PM
  40. I think it is better than argh
  41. reachzero - Today at 8:01 PM
  42. Arghonaut, Colossoil and Tomohawk
  43. Jordy - Today at 8:02 PM
  44. also thanks jho
  45. Jho - Today at 8:02 PM
  46. Argh and colo?
  47. fr reach?
  48. Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
  49. Most notable differences are its arguably more offensive
  50. And then you just have to get to know the new threats
  51. reachzero - Today at 8:02 PM
  52. Like, SD MScizor is trash in CAP
  53. Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
  54. What D:
  55. Jho - Today at 8:02 PM
  56. most 3 meta changing i would say are Tomo, Nect and Kraken
  57. Birkal - Today at 8:02 PM
  58. I like it
  59. reachzero - Today at 8:02 PM
  60. Because it can't break Tomohawk or Arghonaut
  61. sleep - Today at 8:02 PM
  62. reach
  63. did you say
  64. tomo, collo, and argho?
  65. more like
  66. reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
  67. Yes
  68. sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
  69. tomo, mega cruci, and volk
  70. Birkal - Today at 8:03 PM
  71. Uhh someone give jordy the role threat list that mxmts made
  72. Jho - Today at 8:03 PM
  73. ah mega cruci is a good one
  74. sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
  75. or
  76. reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
  77. Colossoil is actually #1 for me
  78. sleep - Today at 8:03 PM
  79. tomo and mega cruci
  80. Birkal - Today at 8:03 PM
  81. That’s a good doc imo
  82. reachzero - Today at 8:03 PM
  83. Because it makes really good stuff like Zapdos and Tyranitar really shaky
  84. Marjane - Today at 8:03 PM
  85. colo is super relevant to the cap metagame
  86. Jho - Today at 8:04 PM
  87. Tyranitar is shaky because banded edge does 31 to tomo lol
  88. sleep - Today at 8:04 PM
  89. yeah but its not the most
  90. reachzero - Today at 8:04 PM
  91. It's not even that good, but it's super metagame altering
  92. Birkal - Today at 8:04 PM
  93. Agree with marjane, but dunno why people still insist on using it
  94. sleep - Today at 8:04 PM
  95. meanwhile mega cruci is on almost all teams ive seen on the ladder
  96. Jho - Today at 8:04 PM
  97. i disagree i think colosoil is mostly irrelevant currently
  98. reachzero - Today at 8:04 PM
  99. It's not as common as that, and shouldn't be
  100. sleep - Today at 8:05 PM
  101. although blace is also on a lot. low ladder, i am.
  102. reachzero - Today at 8:05 PM
  103. Because other Megas are amazing
  104. Latios and Medicham
  105. sleep - Today at 8:05 PM
  106. and alakazoom
  107. Jho - Today at 8:05 PM
  108. zam is so good rn
  109. Birkal - Today at 8:05 PM
  110. I feel like there is more mlatios here than ou
  111. Zam is amazing in ou rn too
  112. Jho - Today at 8:06 PM
  113. It also beats all of CAPs defensive cores
  114. Argh Tomo + steel type
  115. Birkal - Today at 8:06 PM
  116. One thing I have struggled with in using happy land has been cawm
  117. I am not great, true
  118. Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
  119. oh cawm is super meta game altering
  120. Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
  121. But I think you almost have to give torn heat wave
  122. Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
  123. despite being awful
  124. Jordy - Today at 8:07 PM
  125. i saw mlatios doesnt run eq
  126. Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
  127. Yeah you have to account for cawm
  128. Jordy - Today at 8:07 PM
  129. is there any reason for that
  130. Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
  131. Even though it isn’t that good
  132. Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
  133. i run EQ on all of mine, some people like beam + dual stab tho
  134. Marjane - Today at 8:07 PM
  135. i don't see a reason not to use heatwave on torn
  136. Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
  137. because knock is better
  138. is the main reason
  139. Birkal - Today at 8:07 PM
  140. I love jordys set
  141. Taunt is super useful on it
  142. Jho - Today at 8:07 PM
  143. cane does enough to beat Ferro
  144. Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
  145. But will probably be the move that goes
  146. Jho - Today at 8:08 PM
  147. and Z cane does 80 to sciz
  148. reachzero - Today at 8:08 PM
  149. I almost always use EQ on MLatios
  150. Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
  151. Taunt is the best to change
  152. Marjane - Today at 8:08 PM
  153. yeah why waste your z when you can heatwave
  154. Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
  155. but on happyland2.0 i found it particularly useful for those ferroclef balances going around
  156. Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
  157. Taunt is real useful  on a fast mon in cap
  158. Jordy - Today at 8:08 PM
  159. while also helping w stall
  160. Birkal - Today at 8:08 PM
  161. Ferro and clef are both popular here too
  162. Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
  163. whats a super standard team in the meta rn
  164. Birkal - Today at 8:09 PM
  165. Clef has competition from jumbao
  166. reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
  167. Tornadus-T?
  168. Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
  169. my nect team is pretty standard
  170. sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
  171. "stall"
  172. Birkal - Today at 8:09 PM
  173. Pex is worse
  174. Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
  175. to show what the meta is
  176. reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
  177. I like Hurricane/Heat Wave/HP Ground/Defog
  178. sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
  179. hang on im getting my hammer and smashing chansey to bits
  180. Jordy - Today at 8:09 PM
  181. taunt torn-t destroys stall
  182. Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
  183. https://pokepast.es/f70a6e37e9cad651
  184. Jordy - Today at 8:09 PM
  185. especially if its helmet
  186. reachzero - Today at 8:09 PM
  187. Pex is meh in CAP
  188. sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
  189. pssh
  190. Jho - Today at 8:09 PM
  191. this is a very common build type
  192. sleep - Today at 8:09 PM
  193. chansey doesn't need those there non-attacks
  194. it just needs bulk and seismic toss
  195. Marjane - Today at 8:10 PM
  196. same reach
  197. Jho - Today at 8:10 PM
  198. huh pex is still pex
  199. just toxic > spikes
  200. in cap normally
  201. Jordy - Today at 8:11 PM
  202. same goes for ou cuz a lot of teams r immune to tspikes
  203. reachzero - Today at 8:11 PM
  204. That team looks...
  205. Hmm
  206. Weak to Pajantom
  207. A little hard to deal with MCrucibelle
  208. sleep - Today at 8:11 PM
  209. btw
  210. i'd love to make a team with naviathan
  211. because
  212. its the only steel mon i can think of in the meta thats not steel/flying
  213. Jho - Today at 8:12 PM
  214. that team is 9-0 in tours i dont really struggle with either of those
  215. sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
  216. bye bye, cruci
  217. no wait cruci has a ground move doesnt it(edited)
  218. Jho - Today at 8:12 PM
  219. paj is easy to force out with lati and gives a free double to Nect on the ferro
  220. sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
  221. how the hell do you beat cruci ow
  222. Birkal - Today at 8:12 PM
  223. A thing to note about cap is that hazards imo are harder to keep up
  224. sleep - Today at 8:12 PM
  225. no wait i know the answer
  226. Birkal - Today at 8:13 PM
  227. So many mons get rapid spin
  228. sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
  229. mega zam
  230. Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
  231. also i heard voltturn is super prominent in cap
  232. Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
  233. YES
  234. krilowatt+Mega cruci
  235. both have magic gaurd
  236. sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
  237. "So many mons get rapid spin"
  238. Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
  239. and voltturn
  240. sleep - Today at 8:13 PM
  241. who besides tomo
  242. Birkal - Today at 8:13 PM
  243. Cruci has regen before it Megas too
  244. Jho - Today at 8:13 PM
  245. 14/24 caps have spin iirc
  246. Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
  247. oo
  248. SHSP - Today at 8:13 PM
  249. crucikrill is a very strong core
  250. yea
  251. Jordy - Today at 8:13 PM
  252. can anyone show me a team w that
  253. TwilightWing - Today at 8:13 PM
  254. it's a fun core
  255. Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
  256. theres one in samples hold up
  257. Birkal - Today at 8:14 PM
  258. I have never used krill
  259. Jordy - Today at 8:14 PM
  260. oh ill get it
  261. http://pokepast.es/524fddf1a74ec56a
  262. this
  263. Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
  264. yeah that
  265. its a tad outdated but
  266. Mellow - Today at 8:14 PM
  267. pokepaste has sprites for this
  268. Jho - Today at 8:14 PM
  269. i made it as a stall cteam
  270. Mellow - Today at 8:14 PM
  271. thats clean
  272. sleep - Today at 8:14 PM
  273. im sorry
  274. Birkal - Today at 8:14 PM
  275. Jordy what I need to you to do
  276. sleep - Today at 8:14 PM
  277. did you say
  278. stall
  279. Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
  280. Is sign up for this real quick
  281. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/captt-iv-sign-ups.3637438/
  282. Smogon Forums
  283. Tournament - CAPTT IV Sign Ups
  284. CAP Team Tournament IV
  285.  
  286. Hey everyone, it's finally here! Thanks for being patient with the wait, but CAPTT IV sign ups are now live! I will be returning as the host of CAPTT again and this time EpicUmbreon29 will be joining me as my co-host.
  287.  
  288. Welcome to the CAP Team Tournamen...
  289. Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
  290. lololol
  291. Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
  292. And get picked up by the arghs
  293. To teambuild
  294. Jordy - Today at 8:15 PM
  295. lowkey garbage though
  296. Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
  297. i thought u were the pajs birkal
  298. Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
  299. And fite
  300. Nah that’s snake
  301. Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
  302. oh
  303. draps the arghs?
  304. wild
  305. Birkal - Today at 8:15 PM
  306. Yeah him and me
  307. Jho - Today at 8:15 PM
  308. huh
  309. thought hed take pajs or nects
  310. since thats all he uses
  311. reachzero - Today at 8:16 PM
  312. That team would still work
  313. SHSP - Today at 8:16 PM
  314. snake and I are paj's
  315. Birkal - Today at 8:16 PM
  316. Aka the worst team
  317. reachzero - Today at 8:16 PM
  318. Though I'd go Jumbao > Bulu
  319. Jho - Today at 8:16 PM
  320. bulu is there to give kart grassy
  321. so that Leaf blade 2hkos everything
  322. also weaken EQs for kril/cruci
  323. Birkal - Today at 8:16 PM
  324. Bao is really popular in the meta rn
  325. Actually good drought setter
  326. And trace is great too
  327. sleep - Today at 8:17 PM
  328. would megazam be the best cruci counter?
  329. Jho - Today at 8:17 PM
  330. counter?no
  331. counter implies it can switch in
  332. EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:17 PM
  333. It’s certainly a check
  334. Birkal - Today at 8:17 PM
  335. It’s a good check
  336. sleep - Today at 8:17 PM
  337. oh
  338. in that case
  339. nothing counters cruci
  340. Birkal - Today at 8:18 PM
  341. Can anything switch in to cruci?
  342. EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
  343. Zygarde
  344. Jho - Today at 8:18 PM
  345. max max skarm
  346. EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
  347. And Kartana
  348. Jho - Today at 8:18 PM
  349. spdf skarm takes 40 from headhsmash
  350. such a dumb calc lol
  351. EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:18 PM
  352. lol
  353.  
  354. SHSP - Today at 8:18 PM
  355. yeah cruci hits like a truck
  356. Jho - Today at 8:19 PM
  357. i think phys def gliscor could be ok
  358. idk if that takes 2 actually
  359. and if cruci coils on your switch
  360. repent
  361. sleep - Today at 8:19 PM
  362. im sorry does cruci have a weakness
  363. Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
  364. many
  365. it has the worst typing in the game
  366. sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
  367. wrong
  368. its not ice/rock
  369. SHSP - Today at 8:20 PM
  370. being weak to ground sucks
  371. Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
  372. id argue rock poison is worse
  373. sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
  374. not when nothing mANAGES TO SWITCH IN
  375. Jho - Today at 8:20 PM
  376. hippo counters it
  377. :shrug:
  378. sleep - Today at 8:20 PM
  379. ...
  380. is that a joke.
  381. Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
  382. no?
  383. sleep - Today at 8:21 PM
  384. no by that i mean
  385. using hippo
  386. i can believe it beats cruci
  387. then again doesnt slowking only exist since it beats volk?(edited)
  388. Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
  389. why would that be a joke hippo is good
  390. SHSP - Today at 8:21 PM
  391. snake's been spamming slowking
  392. EpicUmbreon29 - Today at 8:21 PM
  393. Hippo gets hit by Wood Hammer pretty hard though
  394. Jho - Today at 8:21 PM
  395. rat took it to finals also
  396. arent they all low kick > wood hammer tho now
  397. SHSP - Today at 8:22 PM
  398. most are
  399. since you lose to stuff like ferro
  400. Jordy - Today at 8:22 PM
  401. wouldnt u just
  402. turn on ferro
  403. Jho - Today at 8:22 PM
  404. 252 Atk Crucibelle-Mega Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 190-224 (45.2 - 53.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
  405. also wood hammer
  406. doesnt 2hko
  407. Marjane - Today at 8:22 PM
  408. mscizor can handle cruci
  409. Jho - Today at 8:22 PM
  410. oh that is
  411. incorrect doesnt head smash do 60
  412. Birkal - Today at 8:22 PM
  413. Wood hammer makes me so mad
  414. Lemme switch in argh
  415. Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
  416. 252 Atk Crucibelle-Mega Head Smash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Scizor-Mega: 144-169 (41.9 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  417. thats max max
  418. which none are
  419. Birkal - Today at 8:23 PM
  420. It doesn’t 2hko spD, does it?
  421. Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
  422. yeah but
  423. Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
  424. most are mixed, favouring spdf
  425. Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
  426. roost stall
  427. Jho - Today at 8:23 PM
  428. your slower
  429. how can u roost stall
  430. on the switch in
  431. +if they have coil
  432. you have lost
  433. Marjane - Today at 8:23 PM
  434. well
  435. depends
  436. Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
  437. Also one thing you should know about cap
  438. Is the three custom abilities of older mons
  439. SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
  440. and the 2 moves
  441. Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
  442. We need to have a page specifically on those three somewhere
  443. The moves are less important
  444. SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
  445. still pretty important imo
  446. Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
  447. yo whats the 2nd unique move?
  448. Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
  449. You can get way screwed over by rebound if you don’t know what it is
  450. Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
  451. paeleo and
  452. Birkal - Today at 8:24 PM
  453. Shadow strike
  454. SHSP - Today at 8:24 PM
  455. since they're kinda key to the mons themselves
  456. Jordy - Today at 8:24 PM
  457. whats the three?
  458. Jho - Today at 8:24 PM
  459. oh yeah
  460. Jordy - Today at 8:25 PM
  461. persistent and?
  462. Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
  463. mountaineer
  464. SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
  465. persistent for fidgit
  466. Birkal - Today at 8:25 PM
  467. Rebound and mountaineer
  468. Jordy - Today at 8:25 PM
  469. i know what mountaineer does but whats rebound
  470. SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
  471. mountaineer for Syclant, doesnt take rock damage on switchin (rocks and rock moves)
  472. Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
  473. 1 turn magic bounce
  474. on the switch in
  475. SHSP - Today at 8:25 PM
  476. rebound is switch in magic bounce
  477. Birkal - Today at 8:25 PM
  478. Only colossoil has it
  479. Jho - Today at 8:25 PM
  480. if you spikes and they go colo, they get bounced
  481. but if u spike again
  482. the spike goes up
  483. (most colo are guts tho)
  484. Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
  485. It’s tricky because imo most soil run flame orb guts
  486. Jordy - Today at 8:26 PM
  487. considering it has guts
  488. would it even use that
  489. Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
  490. not normally, no
  491. Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
  492. Happens from time to time
  493. And is annoying if you don’t know it
  494. Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
  495. airwind runs like AV rebound
  496. SHSP - Today at 8:26 PM
  497. airwind is wild
  498. Birkal - Today at 8:26 PM
  499. Lol
  500. Jho - Today at 8:26 PM
  501. airwind wins games with mono cap
  502. somehow someway
  503. Birkal - Today at 8:27 PM
  504. (Most people think using a team of 6 caps is bad)
  505. (I agree)
  506. SHSP - Today at 8:27 PM
  507. it tends to handicap you
  508. pretty significantly
  509. Jho - Today at 8:27 PM
  510. there isnt enough variety to make a balanced team
  511. SHSP - Today at 8:27 PM
  512. unless your air
  513. Jho - Today at 8:27 PM
  514. that man has balance with like kit tho
  515. idk if i call that balanced
  516. Jordy - Today at 8:28 PM
  517. whats slowking doing at B+
  518. Jho - Today at 8:28 PM
  519. countering volkraken
  520. to scourge
  521. when you play CAP with a ou team and ur water resist is spdf pex
  522. and suddenly u face the kraken
  523. and your pex takes 60 from a hydro pump
  524. thats where B+ slowking comes in
  525. SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
  526. yeah kraken is strong
  527. Birkal - Today at 8:29 PM
  528. Yeah volk is a huge threat
  529. SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
  530. but 95 spe
  531. is rough
  532. slowking's also up there for TR
  533. Birkal - Today at 8:29 PM
  534. That’s why I liked gastro
  535. Because it switches in well
  536. SHSP - Today at 8:29 PM
  537. since snake has had a ton of success with it
  538. there
  539. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:30 PM
  540. I heard tr
  541. Marjane - Today at 8:30 PM
  542. gastro's a really good volk counter
  543. Jordy - Today at 8:30 PM
  544. id like to see a toxapex die
  545. Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
  546. But so does spd argh
  547. Marjane - Today at 8:30 PM
  548. but argh counters more things
  549. Jho - Today at 8:30 PM
  550. Pex is 2hkod by pex in rain or sun
  551. Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
  552. Yeah agreed marjane
  553. Jho - Today at 8:30 PM
  554. Volk*
  555. Birkal - Today at 8:30 PM
  556. And you guys would say scarf is most common volk set, right?
  557. SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
  558. i still think scarf is more common than specs yeah
  559. Birkal - Today at 8:31 PM
  560. Or is it specs for some calc?
  561. SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
  562. specs is the one that always gets calc'd
  563. Birkal - Today at 8:31 PM
  564. People have used AV but I don’t think it would be nearly as good
  565. Jho - Today at 8:31 PM
  566. Scarf is most common specs is the hardest to deal@with
  567. SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
  568. because it became very fotm
  569. jay used it on a rain team and then everybody was
  570. Jordy - Today at 8:31 PM
  571. is there any caps in particular that are unviable
  572. sleep - Today at 8:31 PM
  573. hey, guys, who goes well with mega scizor?
  574. SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
  575. and now it's nommed to S
  576. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:31 PM
  577. The best volk check is dodging
  578. Jordy - Today at 8:31 PM
  579. zygarde
  580. SHSP - Today at 8:31 PM
  581. Voodoom is the poster child
  582. Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
  583. All can work
  584. sleep - Today at 8:32 PM
  585. i did some calcs and mega sciz handles cruci pretty welll
  586. SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
  587. for unviable caps
  588. Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
  589. By yah voodoom is pretty bad
  590. SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
  591. it's severly outclassed
  592. Jho - Today at 8:32 PM
  593. Voodoom mala and mollux I would say are D tier or lower
  594. SHSP - Today at 8:32 PM
  595. conda isn't much better
  596. Marjane - Today at 8:32 PM
  597. no mollux isn't bad
  598. Jho - Today at 8:32 PM
  599. Oh yes it is
  600. Marjane - Today at 8:32 PM
  601. no it's not
  602. sleep - Today at 8:32 PM
  603. guys
  604. CAP UU
  605. when
  606. Jordy - Today at 8:32 PM
  607. atleast mollux is cute
  608. Birkal - Today at 8:32 PM
  609. Even then, malaconda isn’t that bad at all
  610. Has glare and harvest and knock and stuff
  611. Jho - Today at 8:33 PM
  612. Mollux is a spinner weak to rocks and spikes
  613. Birkal - Today at 8:33 PM
  614. With really good spd iirc
  615. Jho - Today at 8:33 PM
  616. Walled by tran
  617. SHSP - Today at 8:33 PM
  618. conda really really wants 10 more def
  619. Birkal - Today at 8:33 PM
  620. Yeah Conda being uturn x4 weak does not help
  621. SHSP - Today at 8:33 PM
  622. it was a pain for updates because we realized the two biggest flaws we couldnt fix
  623. stats and arguably typing
  624. sleep - Today at 8:34 PM
  625. guys
  626. can someone pass me a krilo set to go with mega sciz?
  627. Jho - Today at 8:34 PM
  628. Ice beam tbolt switch EP max max with orb
  629. Birkal - Today at 8:34 PM
  630. Also people seem to love pyroak and kit, but I think both are bad
  631. Esp oak
  632. sleep - Today at 8:34 PM
  633. pyroak is pretty good
  634. when you dont have a mega cruci
  635. dying noises
  636. Jho - Today at 8:34 PM
  637. I would argue both are very middling
  638. The problem with kit is people use it offensively
  639. And not wisp wish defo
  640. Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
  641. Yeah middling is a good term
  642. Jho - Today at 8:35 PM
  643. Defog
  644. Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
  645. But why use middling when there are so many good mons
  646. Jho - Today at 8:35 PM
  647. That set is so much better
  648. Yeah exactly
  649. Outclassed
  650. Birkal - Today at 8:35 PM
  651. I guess to fill a hole
  652. I forgot kit got defog
  653. cbrevan - Today at 8:35 PM
  654. they're both niche picks, although i'd say roak is the better of the two
  655. Mellow - Today at 8:35 PM
  656. is there any mons in cap that are much worse than they are in ou aside from blace
  657. Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
  658. Blace is good in cap
  659. cbrevan - Today at 8:36 PM
  660. if you can keep rocks off the field its a very solid wall
  661. Mellow - Today at 8:36 PM
  662. the vr says ur xd
  663. Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
  664. People just haven’t adapted to the speed boost set yet
  665. sleep - Today at 8:36 PM
  666. mellow
  667. heatran
  668. Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
  669. Yeah I got a question about that mellow
  670. sleep - Today at 8:36 PM
  671. and kartana
  672. Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
  673. Why is mamo ou? Is it any good there?
  674. Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
  675. Kartana is one for sure
  676. Jordy - Today at 8:36 PM
  677. no
  678. Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
  679. I think it’d be horrible there
  680. Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
  681. Mamo is OU because of a YouTubed
  682. Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
  683. And it certainly is here lol
  684. Jho - Today at 8:36 PM
  685. Youtuber
  686. Mellow - Today at 8:36 PM
  687. mamo is ou and its okay
  688. Jordy - Today at 8:36 PM
  689. joey manipulated the usage system
  690. Birkal - Today at 8:36 PM
  691. Which one
  692. Oh joey
  693. Smh
  694. Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
  695. joey fontaine yeah
  696. Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
  697. He has done some cap too
  698. Jho - Today at 8:37 PM
  699. Yeah
  700. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  701. its decent but saying its good or even deserving of ou status is a no
  702. SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
  703. it's v niche right
  704. Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
  705. I’d love to get another cap YouTube vid
  706. reachzero - Today at 8:37 PM
  707. Pyroak has some good reasons to use it
  708. SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
  709. didn't Moet make one
  710. Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
  711. The blunder one from a few years ago is hilarious
  712. SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
  713. a month or so ago
  714. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  715. it does kinda take advantage
  716. Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
  717. just throw cap teams at joey
  718. sleep - Today at 8:37 PM
  719. buzzwole to the top when
  720. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  721. of the fat meta
  722. SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
  723. the heatah was hilarious
  724. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  725. but its too slow
  726. SHSP - Today at 8:37 PM
  727. poor snake
  728. Mellow - Today at 8:37 PM
  729. i find it hard to justify putting mamo on my teams ever
  730. Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
  731. Yah
  732. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  733. if it had like 100 base speed
  734. Birkal - Today at 8:37 PM
  735. Snake did not play well :frowning:
  736. Jordy - Today at 8:37 PM
  737. itd be super good
  738. Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
  739. He did better than I’d do lol
  740. Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
  741. mellow ur literally never adding it onto a team
  742. Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
  743. Uhh most of the tapus are still pretty good here
  744. sleep - Today at 8:38 PM
  745. no seriously though uhh
  746. SHSP - Today at 8:38 PM
  747. otherwise stuff that's weak to ground is already a little more iffy
  748. Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
  749. ur either building around it or basically not using it lol
  750. Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
  751. They don’t get used enough
  752. SHSP - Today at 8:38 PM
  753. since we run a lot of ground coverage
  754. sleep - Today at 8:38 PM
  755. can i have a krilo set to go with mega sciz?
  756. Mellow - Today at 8:38 PM
  757. half of my issue is that people play dumb as shit against mamo
  758. everyone always keeps their landos in on mamo
  759. Jordy - Today at 8:38 PM
  760. the play is going tran vs the icicle crash
  761. then going bulu on the eq
  762. then going clef
  763. Birkal - Today at 8:38 PM
  764. Lando is probably even better here
  765. Than ou
  766. SHSP - Today at 8:39 PM
  767. oh, ash gren is pretty hard checked vs jumb so it's recently hurt
  768. Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
  769. thats insane
  770. Mellow - Today at 8:39 PM
  771. didnt someone nom it for a+
  772. reachzero - Today at 8:39 PM
  773. N
  774. Landorus-T is better in OU
  775. Way better
  776. SHSP - Today at 8:39 PM
  777. ^
  778. Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
  779. i cant imagine it being way better
  780. Mellow - Today at 8:39 PM
  781. lando has gotten worse recently in ou bare in mind
  782. Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
  783. that
  784. sleep - Today at 8:39 PM
  785. guys please i need a krilo set
  786. reachzero - Today at 8:39 PM
  787. It does literally nothing that Coba Tomohawk can't counter
  788. Jordy - Today at 8:39 PM
  789. lando's taken a hard hit
  790. Jho - Today at 8:39 PM
  791. I don’t know how people reach this conclusion
  792. Lando is the best Pokemon still
  793. In CAP
  794. Jordy - Today at 8:40 PM
  795. right
  796. Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
  797. By a large margin
  798. Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
  799. Yeah I love lando
  800. Jordy - Today at 8:40 PM
  801. i was abt to introduce u to heatran
  802. SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
  803. i think Tomo isn't too far back offler
  804. Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
  805. @reachzero stone edge? hawk is weak to rock i think
  806. SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
  807. but that's just me
  808. sleep - Today at 8:40 PM
  809. "Lando is fhe best Pokemon in CAP"
  810. Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
  811. Tran is pretty useful in this meta too
  812. SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
  813. hawk's neutral
  814. Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
  815. Hawk isn’t weak to rock
  816. sleep - Today at 8:40 PM
  817. Tomohawk: Hold my drink.
  818. Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
  819. oh what typing is it
  820. SHSP - Today at 8:40 PM
  821. fight/fly
  822. Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
  823. oh
  824. Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
  825. Hawk isn’t better than tomo
  826. Lando*
  827. It’s more centralising
  828. Mellow - Today at 8:40 PM
  829. how thicc is hawk physically
  830. Jho - Today at 8:40 PM
  831. But it’s not as good
  832. Birkal - Today at 8:40 PM
  833. Pretty
  834. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  835. 110?
  836. Jordy - Today at 8:41 PM
  837. so its like a hawlucha but versatile
  838. Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
  839. And it has prio roost
  840. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  841. It’s a tank jordy
  842. SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
  843. 105/90/80 def
  844. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  845. Prankster haze and roost
  846. SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
  847. 115 spa, 85 spe
  848. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  849. Makes set up sweepers obsolete
  850. SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
  851. it sees offensive play
  852. Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
  853. Oh yah prankster haze
  854. cbrevan - Today at 8:41 PM
  855. its less a hawlucha and more if lando wasn't 4x weak to ice imo
  856. SHSP - Today at 8:41 PM
  857. as well
  858. Mellow - Today at 8:41 PM
  859. oh so im guessing fly z does like 60 to coba
  860. Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
  861. That is something to know lol
  862. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  863. 95
  864. From adamant
  865. Mellow - Today at 8:41 PM
  866. jesus
  867. Birkal - Today at 8:41 PM
  868. What happened to the sub toxic hawk set people used to run
  869. Jho - Today at 8:41 PM
  870. It’s like 82-90
  871. Jordy - Today at 8:41 PM
  872. doesnt cawmodore use drum
  873. whats up with that
  874. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  875. Yup
  876. cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
  877. yes
  878. Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
  879. Yeah
  880. Jordy - Today at 8:42 PM
  881. if theres prankster haze
  882. Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
  883. That is it’s only set
  884. cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
  885. its the only thing its good for
  886. sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
  887. but guys
  888. Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
  889. But you gotta know it
  890. sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
  891. can i say something
  892. SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
  893. it's like an uber late game sweeper
  894. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  895. You kill tomo first
  896. Birkal - Today at 8:42 PM
  897. Because it will sweep hard
  898. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  899. Or put it in acro range
  900. Which is like 555
  901. SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
  902. since it's checked by scarf kraken, some elecs
  903. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  904. 55
  905. Project_Mars - Today at 8:42 PM
  906. “Something”
  907. Jordy - Today at 8:42 PM
  908. does it have priority or something
  909. sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
  910. guys
  911. SHSP - Today at 8:42 PM
  912. it has BP
  913. cbrevan - Today at 8:42 PM
  914. bullet punch
  915. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  916. It has BP
  917. sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
  918. I need. A Krilowatt. Set.
  919. Jho - Today at 8:42 PM
  920. I gave you one
  921. sleep - Today at 8:42 PM
  922. you did?
  923. when?
  924. Birkal - Today at 8:43 PM
  925. Like with happyland, I though cb zygarde could beat cawm
  926. Jho - Today at 8:43 PM
  927. Scroll up a tad yeah
  928. Birkal - Today at 8:43 PM
  929. But it can’t beat drain pumch
  930. sleep - Today at 8:43 PM
  931. oh i see
  932. SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
  933. yeah drain punch is big for it
  934. Mellow - Today at 8:43 PM
  935. imagine getting lucky that your team is good in another tier and being called an ou beast LOL
  936. SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
  937. we dont get a lot of OU attention
  938. viper got Finch to sign up for CAPTT this year
  939. Mellow - Today at 8:43 PM
  940. just make something that hard counters heatran
  941. SHSP - Today at 8:43 PM
  942. and last year we had what, Vertex sign up, Gmars sign up and actually really like it
  943. Mellow - Today at 8:44 PM
  944. if you havent already
  945. SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
  946. and then p2
  947. who did not do so well
  948. cbrevan - Today at 8:44 PM
  949. speaking of which, captt draft is tomorrow
  950. Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
  951. WHAT
  952. I was finch
  953. SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
  954. viper
  955. took credit
  956. lol
  957. Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
  958. I talked to him in SS
  959. SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
  960. since viper and him are friends
  961. Birkal - Today at 8:44 PM
  962. Dang I’ll let viper have this one
  963. Jho - Today at 8:44 PM
  964. Lol
  965. Also p2 got slammed last year
  966. SHSP - Today at 8:44 PM
  967. yeah p2 did not do so well
  968. Jordy - Today at 8:45 PM
  969. mellow i didnt get lucky its pure skill
  970. Birkal - Today at 8:45 PM
  971. Who did he play for?
  972. Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
  973. Revs iirc?
  974. SHSP - Today at 8:45 PM
  975. not revs
  976. cbrevan - Today at 8:45 PM
  977. gmars was a pretty great buy
  978. Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
  979. That was gmars
  980. Yeah
  981. SHSP - Today at 8:45 PM
  982. gmars was revs and was real solid
  983. p2 was krills
  984. Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
  985. Ah
  986. cbrevan - Today at 8:45 PM
  987. yeah gmars was a rev
  988. Mellow - Today at 8:45 PM
  989. oh true i remember in building you said you were gonna take tomohawk into account when building(edited)
  990. Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
  991. P2 lost to raimon
  992. Who is now banned
  993. Birkal - Today at 8:45 PM
  994. Cap is just really fun rn
  995. Jho - Today at 8:45 PM
  996. Who was on my omfl team
  997. Birkal - Today at 8:46 PM
  998. And team tourney is a great way to learn it
  999. From people who know it
  1000. Jordy - Today at 8:46 PM
  1001. that is correct mellow
  1002. reachzero - Today at 8:46 PM
  1003. The only thing I don't like about Landorus-T is that it doesn't play nice with Tomohawk
  1004. Jho - Today at 8:46 PM
  1005. It doesn’t matter if you gimp your hawk to live SSSS it loses to so much more
  1006. reachzero - Today at 8:46 PM
  1007. And Tomohawk keeps a lot of specific stuff from sweeping you
  1008. Jho - Today at 8:46 PM
  1009. No lefties is huge
  1010. Birkal - Today at 8:46 PM
  1011. Cap has a lot of good sweepers
  1012. cbrevan - Today at 8:46 PM
  1013. thats why i think of tomo as cap lando
  1014. Jho - Today at 8:47 PM
  1015. Mmm necturna
  1016. My child
  1017. cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
  1018. they compress similiar roles and are hard to fit together
  1019. reachzero - Today at 8:47 PM
  1020. Every Landorus-T team I have loses to Necturna
  1021. SHSP - Today at 8:47 PM
  1022. yeah nect was wild
  1023. ty @DrapionSwing
  1024. cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
  1025. why did we give nect phantom force is the real question
  1026. SHSP - Today at 8:47 PM
  1027. recently we've had a lot of meta development, really
  1028. Birkal - Today at 8:47 PM
  1029. Necturna gets sketch for you new people
  1030. But just once
  1031. cbrevan - Today at 8:47 PM
  1032. did no one run calcs for +2 z phantom force?
  1033. SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
  1034. specs Kraken was kinda nothing and then bop out of nowhere it's strong
  1035. Jordy - Today at 8:48 PM
  1036. doesnt sketch means it has access to practically all moves
  1037. Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
  1038. Yes
  1039. Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
  1040. Yep
  1041. SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
  1042. nect was like, a webs setter forever and then a month ago
  1043. Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
  1044. But only one move
  1045. SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
  1046. Shell Smash nect showed up huge
  1047. Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
  1048. Mostly used for sticky web and shell smash
  1049. Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
  1050. Sometimes shift gear or geomancy
  1051. Jordy - Today at 8:48 PM
  1052. oh u mean it only gets sketch once throughout its entire pool so it can only sketch one
  1053. Jho - Today at 8:48 PM
  1054. Yeh
  1055. SHSP - Today at 8:48 PM
  1056. ye
  1057. Birkal - Today at 8:48 PM
  1058. People ran like sacred fire on it too for a while
  1059. Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
  1060. It’s definitley our best sweeper
  1061. cbrevan - Today at 8:49 PM
  1062. if i had to guess why, its that people weren't using ghostium z with shell smash, or were trying z geo sets instead
  1063. Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
  1064. Yeah drap passed me a team with SS and I fell in love with it
  1065. cbrevan - Today at 8:49 PM
  1066. z phantom force is the reason why the set works
  1067. Birkal - Today at 8:49 PM
  1068. Necturna can run some pretty wild sets
  1069. If you’re creative enough
  1070. Jho - Today at 8:49 PM
  1071. I think snors VR post sums up Necturna perfectly
  1072. sleep - Today at 8:50 PM
  1073. https://pokepast.es/a8def052e638f799
  1074. cbrevan - Today at 8:50 PM
  1075. ss nect has been a thing since oras but never gained traction due to tomo and a handful of other stops that ghostium just overloads
  1076. sleep - Today at 8:50 PM
  1077. hows this core sort of thing look?
  1078. Jho - Today at 8:50 PM
  1079. Yeah it doesn’t need edge anymore thanks to Z ghost so it can run sub
  1080. And dodge sucker games
  1081. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
  1082. SS Nect was originally z stone edge
  1083. Jordy - Today at 8:50 PM
  1084. is max atk msciz something here
  1085. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
  1086. Ahh sniped out the sky
  1087. SHSP - Today at 8:50 PM
  1088. goes to show the meta is really still underexplored
  1089. Jordy - Today at 8:50 PM
  1090. wouldnt u want it for its defensive utility
  1091. Jho - Today at 8:50 PM
  1092. Nop jordy
  1093. Tomohawk is here
  1094. reachzero - Today at 8:50 PM
  1095. I think the other funny thing about CAP is that a zillion things can viably run Toxic
  1096. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:50 PM
  1097. It is shsp
  1098. Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
  1099. cuz im looking at that core and i see max atk sd msciz
  1100. cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
  1101. its mainly due to tomo too
  1102. Jho - Today at 8:51 PM
  1103. Most Msciz here run toxic
  1104. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:51 PM
  1105. Which is why we need all the people we can playing around with shit
  1106. sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
  1107. mostly due to crucibelle
  1108. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:51 PM
  1109. Z moves makes the world a better place
  1110. sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
  1111. because screw you, crucibelle
  1112. reachzero - Today at 8:51 PM
  1113. Everything that is walled by Tomohawk and Arghonaut
  1114. cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
  1115. if you can land the toxic on it a lot of would be checks beat it
  1116. SHSP - Today at 8:51 PM
  1117. i mean, in the past while we've had Coba hawk, specs kraken, nect pop up
  1118. Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
  1119. i bet literally every other tier player ever would like to disagree with you
  1120. sleep - Today at 8:51 PM
  1121. hit that crap as hard as possible with the unboosted bullet punch
  1122. SHSP - Today at 8:51 PM
  1123. and those 3 are some of the biggest things that we've really innovated
  1124. Jordy - Today at 8:51 PM
  1125. some people ive talked to have even wanted them banned lol
  1126. cbrevan - Today at 8:51 PM
  1127. since it relies a lot on close 3hkos w/ prankster roost to wear some mons down
  1128. SHSP - Today at 8:52 PM
  1129. hell, Jumbao is criminally underexplored if you ask me
  1130. Jordy - Today at 8:52 PM
  1131. and tbh i personally find them pretty stupid aswell
  1132. Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
  1133. I like my bao set
  1134. sleep - Today at 8:52 PM
  1135. z-moves are great
  1136. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:52 PM
  1137. Z Jumbao is fire
  1138. Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
  1139. Scarf HW
  1140. sleep - Today at 8:52 PM
  1141. giving you the extra push to slaughter your enemies
  1142. DrapionSwing - Today at 8:52 PM
  1143. And it took like 5 months for paj to become mainstream
  1144. And fire
  1145. cbrevan - Today at 8:52 PM
  1146. which mons jordy?
  1147. Jho - Today at 8:52 PM
  1148. That was thanks to rat
  1149. And that broken set
  1150. Jordy - Today at 8:52 PM
  1151. wdym mons
  1152. like mons that are stupid cuz of zmoves?
  1153. SHSP - Today at 8:52 PM
  1154. nah it wasnt just rats spdef paj
  1155. it was drap too
  1156. with all the Z sets
  1157. Birkal - Today at 8:52 PM
  1158. Yah you need to know about paj
  1159. Comatose and spirit shackle
  1160. cbrevan - Today at 8:53 PM
  1161. ah i  didn't see draps comment
  1162. mb
  1163. Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
  1164. The spdf set gets me everytime
  1165. cbrevan - Today at 8:53 PM
  1166. fuck z moves i can agree
  1167. Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
  1168. That’s why I have hoopa on every team now
  1169. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:53 PM
  1170. Thanks for the shoutout offer
  1171. Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
  1172. All good brother
  1173. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:53 PM
  1174. Offler*
  1175. Jordy - Today at 8:53 PM
  1176. i despise zmoves because heatran is now considered broken cuz of its variety of zmoves when spdef is super underused
  1177. i think i worded that incorrectly but whatever
  1178. Jho - Today at 8:53 PM
  1179. Z steel does like 70 to mlati
  1180. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
  1181. Good lord
  1182. Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
  1183. It’s super broken
  1184. Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
  1185. zsteel kills mega latios
  1186. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
  1187. Fr?
  1188. Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
  1189. It kills?
  1190. Wild
  1191. reachzero - Today at 8:54 PM
  1192. SpD Pajantom is good because people play Colossoil dumb
  1193. Jho - Today at 8:54 PM
  1194. People don’t play colo
  1195. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
  1196. People play colossoil?
  1197. Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
  1198. 252 SpA Heatran Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 249-294 (82.7 - 97.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
  1199. cbrevan - Today at 8:54 PM
  1200. hence why paj is good
  1201. reachzero - Today at 8:54 PM
  1202. Um, yes?
  1203. Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
  1204. the best switchin is mantine
  1205. SHSP - Today at 8:54 PM
  1206. god that calc
  1207. Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
  1208. and mantine sucks
  1209. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:54 PM
  1210. That calc
  1211. Jordy - Today at 8:54 PM
  1212. cuz it doesnt wna catcha  toxic
  1213. also considering that more heatran are running modest now
  1214. Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
  1215. Z dig gren needs to come back
  1216. Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
  1217. 252+ SpA Heatran Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Latios-Mega: 273-322 (90.6 - 106.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  1218. lol
  1219. Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
  1220. For trans
  1221. reachzero - Today at 8:55 PM
  1222. Um
  1223. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:55 PM
  1224. The worst offler phase was mantine
  1225. reachzero - Today at 8:55 PM
  1226. You wouldn't use -SpD MLatios
  1227. You use -Def
  1228. Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
  1229. in ou you would
  1230. Jho - Today at 8:55 PM
  1231. -def for losing to scarf kart
  1232. Hmmm
  1233. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:55 PM
  1234. Hmmmm
  1235. Jordy - Today at 8:55 PM
  1236. id probs trade atk before going -def lol
  1237. reachzero - Today at 8:56 PM
  1238. OU is a different animal
  1239. Jho - Today at 8:56 PM
  1240. -def makes it die to colo doesn’t it
  1241. P sure it loves pursuit / knock normally
  1242. Jordy - Today at 8:57 PM
  1243. assuming u meant lives
  1244. Jho - Today at 8:57 PM
  1245. I did
  1246. reachzero - Today at 8:57 PM
  1247. -SpD means you for to Volkraken though
  1248. Which is the whole reason you have it
  1249. Die
  1250. Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
  1251. I don’t think hydro 2hkos even with -spdf?
  1252. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:58 PM
  1253. Does jolly zam outspeed kraken?
  1254. Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
  1255. Nope
  1256. Snorlax in the way - Today at 8:58 PM
  1257. Unfort
  1258. Jho - Today at 8:58 PM
  1259. Not even close lol
  1260. Scarf Ada lando outspeeds zam
  1261. I think
  1262. Can I math
  1263. cbrevan - Today at 8:59 PM
  1264. volk outspeeds it
  1265. Jordy - Today at 9:00 PM
  1266. scarf ada lando doesnt outspeed timid mega zam
  1267. Jho - Today at 9:00 PM
  1268. Yo I can’t math
  1269. Jordy - Today at 9:00 PM
  1270. considering u need 293 speed at +1 to do that
  1271. Jho - Today at 9:00 PM
  1272. Most are modest anyway tho
  1273. Zam not lando
  1274. Jordy - Today at 9:01 PM
  1275. i know
  1276. Jho - Today at 9:01 PM
  1277. Lol
  1278. Jordy - Today at 9:01 PM
  1279. thats how it is in ou aswell
  1280. reachzero - Today at 9:02 PM
  1281. Can Mega Zam do enough damage to Caw to keep it from Belly Drumming
  1282. ?
  1283. Jho - Today at 9:02 PM
  1284. Most definitley
  1285. I think
  1286. Birkal - Today at 9:02 PM
  1287. Yah caw is crazy weak
  1288. Marjane - Today at 9:02 PM
  1289. why are people signing up to captt with their interest tiers being 1v1 and Ubers
  1290. Birkal - Today at 9:02 PM
  1291. Special defense is low
  1292. Jho - Today at 9:02 PM
  1293. I’d assume modest psychic does about 70
  1294. cbrevan - Today at 9:03 PM
  1295. pretty sure focus blast is a ohko
  1296. Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
  1297. But that means missing
  1298. Birkal - Today at 9:03 PM
  1299. Definitely
  1300. Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
  1301. If psychic prevents BD I think psychic is better
  1302. cbrevan - Today at 9:03 PM
  1303. 252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cawmodore: 128-151 (52.8 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  1304. Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
  1305. OH NVM
  1306. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:03 PM
  1307. Confide
  1308. Jho - Today at 9:03 PM
  1309. that’s why we use calcs in games people
  1310. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:03 PM
  1311. Signed up
  1312. Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
  1313. Do that with fb
  1314. cbrevan - Today at 9:04 PM
  1315. hp fire/focus blast most definitely does it tho
  1316. Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
  1317. Yah
  1318. cbrevan - Today at 9:04 PM
  1319. 252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Cawmodore: 228-269 (94.2 - 111.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  1320. Jordy - Today at 9:04 PM
  1321. imagine calcing in a game
  1322. ive not done that since ive come back
  1323. Birkal - Today at 9:04 PM
  1324. Also a mon you should know about that is pretty rare is revenankh
  1325. Jho - Today at 9:04 PM
  1326. Tour games I calc
  1327. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:04 PM
  1328. Same
  1329. Jho - Today at 9:04 PM
  1330. Ladder I guess
  1331. Birkal - Today at 9:05 PM
  1332. Runs triage drain punch and moonlight
  1333. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:05 PM
  1334. Calcing is lame
  1335. Birkal - Today at 9:05 PM
  1336. And usually bulk up?
  1337. cbrevan - Today at 9:05 PM
  1338. i always calc because i don't know the rolls anymore
  1339. reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
  1340. Revenankh is getting more popular
  1341. Jordy - Today at 9:05 PM
  1342. that sounds disgusting
  1343. Jho - Today at 9:05 PM
  1344. It would be if hawk and lele weren’t
  1345. Everywhere
  1346. reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
  1347. Bulk Up is common on the ladder
  1348. But bad
  1349. Jho - Today at 9:05 PM
  1350. Rat runs
  1351. Glare/wisp
  1352. reachzero - Today at 9:05 PM
  1353. Toxic/Wisp
  1354. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:06 PM
  1355. Rat runs wisp toxic
  1356. Lol
  1357. reachzero - Today at 9:06 PM
  1358. Is more up to date from Rats
  1359. Jho - Today at 9:06 PM
  1360. Close
  1361. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:06 PM
  1362. I would run glare toxic personally
  1363. reachzero - Today at 9:08 PM
  1364. I think Toxic/EQ is the general best, but your individual team should probably be how you decide
  1365. Snorlax in the way - Today at 9:08 PM
  1366. Glare tran
  1367. And pex
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