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- Pharaoh Atem: Tesla, be quiet.
- ! TechGenusFan !: he!
- Cesaritoqw: Omfg D:
- ! TechGenusFan !: btw all staff of dn is here
- ! TechGenusFan !: you see is not easy
- Cesaritoqw: I see
- Pharaoh Atem: This call has a special issue that many people are not equipped to deal with
- Pharaoh Atem: it's an issue one often doesn't face unless he is an RL judge
- Pharaoh Atem: Tesla, Cesar, you two will be silent while I explain the situation. No exceptions, and the appeal train stops with me.
- Cesaritoqw: If worth something, in the watchers chat there's a witness
- Cesaritoqw: Okay
- Pharaoh Atem: Irrelevant, I already know the situation in full detail, replete with timestamp.
- Cesaritoqw: Okay
- Pharaoh Atem: Neither of you have been properly passing the right to act back and forth
- Pharaoh Atem: this sets a bad precedent
- Pharaoh Atem: but one that must continue to be observed in this game until you both learn to pass the right to act back and forth properly
- Pharaoh Atem: also btw I was going to go to sleep but they called me in
- Pharaoh Atem: so be grateful
- Cesaritoqw: Sowy :3
- Cesaritoqw: so how we can go on?
- Pharaoh Atem: you will go on when I am finished
- Pharaoh Atem: I am not finished
- Cesaritoqw: Ok...
- Pharaoh Atem: Now, in proper gameplay, players're obligated to follow proper protocol regarding the right to act
- Pharaoh Atem: it is impossible for two players to act at the same time: at each given moment only ONE player may act
- Pharaoh Atem: this entire situation is born of a giant car crash of sorts wherein you both tried to get what you want out of a play, and we can't have that.
- Pharaoh Atem: Konami has provided ygo players across the world with a chart that can be used to understand how ygo works
- Pharaoh Atem: http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/gameplay/images/T-Flowchart_EN-US.jpg
- Pharaoh Atem: you are obligated now to save this chart.
- Pharaoh Atem: read it once I am done here.
- Pharaoh Atem: Now then
- Pharaoh Atem: to explain here
- Pharaoh Atem: I have to first explain how proper play would've handled this turn
- Pharaoh Atem: and then explain why that doesn't work here.
- Pharaoh Atem: in proper play, you'd start your turn
- Pharaoh Atem: conduct your normal draw
- Pharaoh Atem: see if anyone had a response to the draw
- Pharaoh Atem: ask to end the draw phase
- Pharaoh Atem: start the standby
- Pharaoh Atem: ask to end the standby
- Pharaoh Atem: start the main
- Pharaoh Atem: and then NS Retiarii.
- Pharaoh Atem: each time you'd ask to end a phase, that's an opportunity to say "no, you can't, because I wanna do something during the phase."
- Pharaoh Atem: this means that in properly handled gameplay, Mind Crush would've had several chances to be activated before the NS
- Cesaritoqw: Ya, I used to play that way, but a lot of rude boys went into "Stop asking" "I will say to you when I want to do something" "Stop stalling"
- Pharaoh Atem: but it'd have no chance to let your opp say "I wanted to mind crush the thing you just NS'd
- Pharaoh Atem: well, Cesar, ygo doesn't give a damn what those brats think. Rules are rules, and rules demand players clarify and play properly. I'm not here to tolerate the impatience of kids who have a conniption when someone tries to be polite, right?
- Cesaritoqw: Roger that
- Pharaoh Atem: clarity is politeness, and that's that.
- Pharaoh Atem: THAT SAID
- Pharaoh Atem: ygo takes a damn long time when you clarify in all cases, so players forego it
- Pharaoh Atem: and event staff lets it go as long as it doesn't cause problems
- Pharaoh Atem: and the way that they make it "not cause problems" is by recognizing precedents in how players "have rushed through gameplay" during a game
- Pharaoh Atem: for example
- Pharaoh Atem: if I conduct my normal draw
- Pharaoh Atem: and immediately attack after
- Pharaoh Atem: w/o checking for a response to the draw
- Pharaoh Atem: or to changing phases twice
- Pharaoh Atem: that would be a shortcut between "normal draw" and "attack declaration"
- Pharaoh Atem: a judge would make a note of that and then check to see if your opponent used the same shortcut in the game
- Pharaoh Atem: if he himself "conducted a normal draw and then immediately attacked"
- Pharaoh Atem: if you both use the same shortcut, the game deems that shortcut "not wanted, but tolerated"
- Pharaoh Atem: the shortcut becomes "established"
- Pharaoh Atem: that way.
- Pharaoh Atem: now, when a shortcut is established, the points of gameplay covered by that shortcut no longer require players to explicitly confirm if it is okay to proceed
- Pharaoh Atem: instead, the points of gameplay covered by an established and mutually used shortcut ALL treat SILENCE as permission to proceed
- Pharaoh Atem: if you don't speak up saying "stop" before someone does something you don't want them to do, it's too late, if an established shortcut is in place for this moment
- Pharaoh Atem: you NS'd Retiarii in a point in time covered by established shortcuts
- Pharaoh Atem: he didn't speak up w/ Mind Crush before the NS
- Pharaoh Atem: his chance to do it is gone, and he only has himself to blame.
- Pharaoh Atem: Not done
- Pharaoh Atem: you see that policy about shortcuts is coldhearted
- Pharaoh Atem: but the thing is, this is the fairest way to handle them without banning shortcut use outright
- Pharaoh Atem: and a ban on shortcuts will not work out, players will never comply with it either here or IRL
- Pharaoh Atem: In a game where shortcuts can be used, the one way to protect yourself from shortcuts harming you is "don't let them treat silence as permission to proceed"
- Pharaoh Atem: and shortcuts only treat silence as permission to proceed if the shortcut is established
- Pharaoh Atem: and it only gets established as part of the flow of gameplay if BOTH PLAYERS USE THE SAME SHORTCUT.
- Pharaoh Atem: Mutual use is the key
- Pharaoh Atem: which means "if you don't use any shortcuts at all, your opponent rushing through his own plays with shortcuts will not make you lose the right to act."
- Pharaoh Atem: If you use shortcuts, you open up the right for someone to presume silence as permission to play onward
- Pharaoh Atem: if you don't, you seal that up and protect yourself.
- Pharaoh Atem: Tesla used shortcuts, and so did you
- Pharaoh Atem: and they were the same shortcuts
- Pharaoh Atem: so Tesla can't watch you NS and then magically decide "I'm not ok with shortcuts anymore, put it back so I can mind crush it"
- Pharaoh Atem: Now then, that solves one problem in this call
- Pharaoh Atem: the second is intentions
- Pharaoh Atem: Does Atem think Tesla did this Mind Crush thing intentionally, with prior knowledge that it wasn't legal?
- Pharaoh Atem: No.
- Pharaoh Atem: Intent of wrongdoing with prior knowledge of the wrongness of said action is what separates procedural errors from cheating
- Pharaoh Atem: and I don't think Tesla knew any better
- Pharaoh Atem: so, Tesla gets a warning instead of a cheating ban.
- Pharaoh Atem: Tesla, Set that Mind Crush. it was activated illegally.
- Pharaoh Atem: (the circumstances under which it was activated were built on pretenses I had to clear up, and for that reason I had to rewind gameplay to the moment of NS to clear things up.)
- Pharaoh Atem: (at that time, Crush wasn't yet activated.)
- Cesaritoqw: Totally worth the read. Now onwards i'll know how to act in shortcuts games and non-shortcuts games
- Pharaoh Atem: (he may still respond to the summon by activating Crush.)
- Pharaoh Atem: the judge ethos regarding this issue IRL is simple
- Pharaoh Atem: "live by the sword, die by the sword"
- Pharaoh Atem: you can protect yourself if you play properly
- Cesaritoqw: Yup
- Pharaoh Atem: but if you think you're too cool or too impatient for proper play, shortcuts can be used
- Pharaoh Atem: but they can, and will, burn you given the chance.
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