Sarg v Spence

Locke versus Schmitt. Who will win?! I, and I am not alone here, would like to personally credit Styx and Kevin Logan (believe it or not) for their contributions. They did well.

Still waiting for now the questioning liberals have an idea on how to convert non-whites to liberalism. Rather than questioning what 'Whiteness' means, I think this is more pressing. Richard may not know what to do in an edge case but it is on another level to not even know how to bridge the very criticism he presents for your worldview

I will just say, when Destiny comes on and argues how the world ought to be from his moral presuppositions, it's obvious why that is. Gotta view things phenomenologically, not through your ideals of "justice" or whatever vagary was presented. You will have a very hard time making a more individualistic society than we have now. Which is something one side needs to be true for their ideas to work out. Now THAT is romanticism and utopian. Whereas one side wants a return to what was before and that there was an inevitability to tribal conflict (Regardless of what Spencer says, or what Sargon says, or what Styx says).

A lot of the debate was just:
"the ethnostate might not work, so don't even try" (multiracialism definitely wont work of course)
"what will happen in this fringe situation" (case by case)
"how can you justify x when x might be mean" (how can you justify multiracialism when it brings disorder, dysfunction, and rent-seeking?)
"Our society is LIBERAL Richard!" (except when he points out bad things out societies do, then that's a perversion of some kind)

Also there was no contradiction at the founding of the USA, they never believed these ideas or this nation was for everyone like Styx and Sargon now prescribe to them. And we do teach Blacks to read Styx, somehow they still don't perform.

"How will you get to the stars with your idea of Whiteness?"
What? A Eurocentric society could get to the stars. It makes more sense than Liberalism taking credit for British Naval Superiority (hence their colonies)

Vermont is pretty white too, so is Swindon. Worth keeping in mind. Their views of non-whites are pretty off-base I'd argue

Also, monogamous nuclear families are pretty European. Other people tend to have more along the lines of extended families, clans, or what have you. Even East Asians have a broader idea of what family means than Europeans who tend closer toward a nuclear mean. At least, as tendencies, not stark divides

And as per Coming Apart (and other sources) our hereditary upper class is basically a genetic elite. Via Assortive Mating. Norman surnames are overrepresented in the English upper class, Anglo surnames in America, and the names of Samurai families in the upper classes of Japan even. Inevitable.