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  1. (9:27:07 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat joined the memo
  2. (9:27:27 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: Well Met, ClarifiedDiplomat.
  3. (9:27:32 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Ah, hello
  4. (9:27:42 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Out of that blasted pre-session
  5. (9:28:13 PM) OJphone left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 182 seconds).
  6. (9:30:35 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: Was There Something Particularly Unfortunate Or Negative About Your Pre-Session?
  7. (9:31:39 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: It was much too long
  8. (9:32:54 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: How Long Did It Endure?
  9. (9:33:20 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Almost four months I'd say
  10. (9:34:18 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: I Regret To Inform You That It Is Not Unknown To Have Pre-Sessions Rather Significantly Longer Than That.
  11. (9:35:16 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects.
  12. (9:35:49 PM) The topic for #ultimatereward is:
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  14. (9:37:30 PM) Zuki left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 183 seconds).
  15. (9:40:39 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: In That Case, I Will Wish You Good Fortune.
  16. (9:41:20 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Thank you
  17. (9:41:28 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: I assume you are in session?
  18. (9:42:52 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects.
  19. (10:21:21 PM) The topic for #ultimatereward is:
  20. (10:21:21 PM) Topic for #ultimatereward set by ChanServ at 1:10:21 AM on 11/9/2013
  21. (10:22:21 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: There is millions of theories out there that can not be confirmed, but have certainties so close to knowing it for sure that assumptions will be made on the basis that what information there is that it is the most probably answer
  22. (10:22:37 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: I am not omniscient
  23. (10:22:41 PM) Cobb: There Are Theories.
  24. (10:22:51 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: I do not immediately know everything
  25. (10:23:11 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Do not insult me by making the most logical answer to continue this conversation
  26. (10:24:10 PM) Cobb: I Am Not Insulting You, ClarifiedDiplomat, And I Am Insulted That You Would Suggest Such.
  27. (10:24:28 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Do not lie to me
  28. (10:24:43 PM) You are now known as ventricularPipefitter
  29. (10:25:07 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter has connected to the memo
  30. (10:25:10 PM) Cobb: Even Were I To Insult You, I Am Uncertain Whether Or Not You Would Recognize It In The Spirit In Which It Was Offered.
  31. (10:25:10 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Unless your way of life involves having no tact, and you do not realize this, you are insulting me
  32. (10:25:37 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Ah, this again.
  33. (10:26:30 PM) Cobb: Well Met, Ross.
  34. (10:26:30 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Hello admin
  35. (10:26:30 PM) Cobb: I Offer That Your Belief That I Am Insulting You Is Flawed, And It May Be Of Value To You If You Take A Moment To Step Back And Recollect Yourself.
  36. (10:27:54 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: You do not get to decide when someone is insulted
  37. (10:27:57 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: You do not get to mold people into your own thoughts of what is insulting or not
  38. (10:29:18 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: I will not let you try to manipulate me into thinking that I should not be offended at this
  39. (10:29:41 PM) ventricularPipefitter: If I may, Kona?
  40. (10:29:52 PM) ***Cobb PMs clarifiedDiplomat: ( I Enjoin You To Restrain Yourself Before You Embarrass Yourself Further. )
  41. (10:30:42 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs clarifiedDiplomat (So, what happened?)
  42. (10:30:48 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Go ahead
  43. (10:34:29 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (I said "I assume you are in session?" to them, they started to tell me it is unwise to make assumptions, I pointed out that it was phrased in a way that it was more a question, they told me that I got my grammar wrong then went high and mighty on me by offering to tutor me to improve it)
  44. (10:34:41 PM) ventricularPipefitter: So, Adagio, it is your understanding that Miss Kona is mistaken, regarding whether or not she has been insulted, and whether or not it is correct for her to take offense?
  45. (10:35:31 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Kona" ( She's....incredibly uptight and is....rather culturally inflexible. Let me see what I can do, if anything.)
  46. (10:36:45 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (I would have never guessed the latter part)
  47. (10:37:42 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Kona" ( I know, right? )
  48. (10:37:51 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (Although I guess that doesn't stop her from '"admiring" other cultures since she had the audacity to call the krogans "noble")
  49. (10:38:11 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Kona" ( Oh? Why? )
  50. (10:38:40 PM) Cobb: I Did Not Offer The Insult I Stand Accused Of Making, Therefore Miss Kona Is Unfortunately Mistaken.
  51. (10:38:41 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (In a pinch, there are a lot of good things I could say about the Krogan, noble /maybe/ in the past, but they are far from it)
  52. (10:40:17 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Mm, but an accident or a misunderstanding is still one's responsibility, isn't it?
  53. (10:40:40 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (Right after the line where they offered to tutor me, since apparently for them quote "It Is My Pleasure To Enlighten Those Less Fortunate And Cultured, If They Possess The Ability To Learn")
  54. (10:40:41 PM) ventricularPipefitter: Is it Kona's fault that she misunderstood you, or your fault for not communicating clearly enough?
  55. (10:41:00 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Kona" ( ...ah. )
  56. (10:41:07 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (And I responded by saying I am plenty cultured, "I am not a krogan")
  57. (10:41:39 PM) ***clarifiedDiplomat PMs ventricularPipefitter : (Which yes they do have a culture, but it is not the culture they were talking about when they said that line and I made sure to tell them that)
  58. (10:42:34 PM) Ishtadaal is now known as caffeinatedCapacitor
  59. (10:42:40 PM) ***caffeinatedCapacitor has connected to the memo
  60. (10:42:46 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Oh, hello
  61. (10:43:10 PM) Cobb: Such An Unfortunate Event Is No One's Fault When It Is Accidental, It Is Simply A Misunderstanding. Hopefully All Parties Can Identify The Mistake And Acknowledge It For What It Is Without Undue Drama.
  62. (10:43:11 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Hello, Kona! How are you doing?
  63. (10:43:48 PM) ventricularPipefitter: In which case-
  64. (10:43:50 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Annoyed and angry
  65. (10:43:51 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: ...in that case, MO, isn't it your duty as the mature party to apologize first?
  66. (10:43:52 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: ...
  67. (10:44:00 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: [Oh.]
  68. (10:44:03 PM) Cobb: Your Society's Obsession With Assigning Fault And Blame, Particularly How It Might Be Attributed To Others And Not To One's Self, Is Rather Counter To Good Interpersonal Relations.
  69. (10:44:30 PM) ***caffeinatedCapacitor PMs ventricularPipefitter: ( Ross? )
  70. (10:44:45 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Cease" ( Hi, Cici. )
  71. (10:44:52 PM) ***caffeinatedCapacitor PMs ventricularPipefitter: ( Oh my god is it /really/ you? Really-really, like, actually /you/-you? )
  72. (10:45:41 PM) Cobb: Apologize? If There Is No Blame, Why Should Either Party Apologize? Is It Not Better To Recognize Our Error And Resolve To Not Repeat It With All Possible Felicitation?
  73. (10:45:47 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: So I take it your culture just smears shit on each others windows and then ignores the sight and smell to make sure you two can still be in good relations afterwords
  74. (10:45:50 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Cici" ( The last time I checked, I was still myself. There aren't many 'ventriculars,' even out here. )
  75. (10:45:57 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Cici" ( *hugs* )
  76. (10:45:57 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: And before you say it yes, that is an assumption
  77. (10:46:03 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Yes, I know that is likely wrong
  78. (10:46:08 PM) Cobb: That Is A Very Crude Way Of Putting It.
  79. (10:46:12 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Okay, let's take a step back.
  80. (10:46:22 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Yes, I am over exaggerating this
  81. (10:46:29 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: The window thing
  82. (10:46:35 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Not the "you insulted me thing" to be clear
  83. (10:46:42 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Anything else on the check list you need?
  84. (10:47:07 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Crude doesn't mean 'inaccurate'.
  85. (10:47:25 PM) Cobb: Well Met, CaffeinatedCapacitor, And You Are Correct.
  86. (10:48:00 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: The point of apologizing is to acknowledge that you upset someone and to make a gesture towards making amends.
  87. (10:48:00 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: It's a pretty universal concept.
  88. (10:48:24 PM) ***ventricularPipefitter PMs "Cici" ( Frog and Ring, Cici, it's been....it's been... Well. How've you been? )
  89. (10:49:32 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects.
  90. (10:50:01 PM) The topic for #ultimatereward is:
  91. (10:50:01 PM) Topic for #ultimatereward set by ChanServ at 1:10:21 AM on 11/9/2013
  92. (10:50:49 PM) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects.
  93. (10:55:01 PM) The topic for #ultimatereward is:
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  95. (10:55:11 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Kona's culture is a /proud/ one. Insults aren't /borne/ between equals, and there is /very/ little concept of a lesser being. As an equal, you either owe her an apology. The fact that you refuse to apologize is an insult in itself.
  96. (10:55:40 PM) You are now known as ventricularpipefitter
  97. (10:55:47 PM) Cobb: Previously When I Expressed Outrage At A Slight Of A Similar Nature, My Objections Were Held In Contempt And No Resolution Favorable To Myself Was Achieved. Do You Fault Me For Not Being Eager To Raise My Voice Again, When No Favorable Resolution Is Likely And I Am Capable Of Withholding It?
  98. (10:56:41 PM) Cobb: In My Culture, The Accusation Of Insult Is Itself A Deadly Insult. It Is Often Cause To Demand Satisfaction In Blood.
  99. (10:57:00 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Well, too bad blood isn't an option here.
  100. (10:57:34 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: So your culture has a habit of either ignoring the offence or asking for violence as a solution?
  101. (10:57:42 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You insulted her, she asked for an apology, you got indignant at the demands, she got further insulted, and it's turned into a right old shitball.
  102. (10:57:52 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Kona?
  103. (10:57:55 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: What's the Rule?
  104. (10:57:55 PM) Cobb: Indeed. So You Understand Why I Elected To Take The More Mature Road And Not Pursue The Affront To The Degree Which I Otherwise Might.
  105. (10:58:36 PM) Cobb: Your Summation, Though Inelegant, Is Not Far Enough From The Truth To Be Worth Correcting You.
  106. (10:59:16 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: So
  107. (10:59:19 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You did wrong first
  108. (10:59:23 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You apologize first
  109. (10:59:28 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: And then you can start undoing the damage
  110. (10:59:35 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: (Yes yes alright I know the rule)
  111. (11:00:06 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Or you can both leave and think about what you both did wrong, getting into arguments on the internet like a couple of kids.
  112. (11:00:21 PM) Cobb: I Believe I Already Established My Position On The Matter. A Misunderstanding Is Not A Wrong Done, It Is Merely A Misunderstanding.
  113. (11:00:40 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You upset her, and you got insulted when she asked you to acknowledge it.
  114. (11:00:45 PM) ventricularpipefitter: Then what harm is there, in apologizing?
  115. (11:01:34 PM) KarrinBlue [[email protected]] entered the room.
  116. (11:01:55 PM) Cobb: Given That I Have Proven My Willingness To Overlook A Deliberate Insult Offered, I Believe It Is Excessive To Insist That I Also Apologize For Someone Else's Misunderstanding. Might Miss Kona Not Apologize For Misunderstanding My Intent And Causing This Entire Issue To Arise?
  117. (11:02:08 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Something you did doesn't /suddenly/ become wrong when you acknowledge it. It becomes wrong when you refuse to admit that you wound up hurting someone. It means you value your pride over a whole other person.
  118. (11:03:41 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: If I may say a small thing?
  119. (11:03:51 PM) Cobb: I Will Make A Compromise.
  120. (11:04:11 PM) Cobb: If Miss Kona Will Apologize For Misunderstanding My Intent, I Will Apologize For My Part In It As Well.
  121. (11:04:16 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: There's no /compromise/ to this, mellifluousOdyssey.
  122. (11:04:27 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You either mean an apology, or you don't.
  123. (11:04:30 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: And you don't.
  124. (11:04:39 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Kona, I'm sorry on her behalf.
  125. (11:04:48 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: ((**their))
  126. (11:04:53 PM) Cobb: You Will NOT Apologize For Me.
  127. (11:05:09 PM) Cobb is now known as mellifluousOdysseus
  128. (11:05:12 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Actually, I could accept a certain compromise
  129. (11:05:20 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Not what you offered though
  130. (11:05:47 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: That will just let you walk away thinking you are 100% right
  131. (11:05:57 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Well, you just proved your apology isn't going to be worth anything.
  132. (11:06:08 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: It'll be hot air and salving your pride.
  133. (11:06:16 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: CaffeinatedCapacitor, You Will NOT Take From Me My Right To Adjudicate My Own Pride.
  134. (11:06:34 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You've proven you're too immature to handle this yourself.
  135. (11:06:42 PM) absentBobbin [[email protected]] entered the room.
  136. (11:06:42 PM) absentBobbin is now known as Bobbin
  137. (11:06:57 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: As such, I'll treat you like a child and see to it my coplayer has someone actually willing to listen to her.
  138. (11:07:33 PM) ***ventricularpipefitter PMs "Cici" ( I've never seen Melody choose the feelings of someone else over her own pride and reputation, so....there you have it. )
  139. (11:07:52 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You've hurt a friend, your apology isn't worth hearing, so I'm going to tell her to stop seeking repentance from you and instead let me help her get over it.
  140. (11:08:04 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: If it'll soothe /your/ pride, you can owe me for this.
  141. (11:08:13 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: VentricularPipefitter, I Wish To Protest This Treatment In The Extreme.
  142. (11:08:54 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: CaffeinatedCapacitor, Were You In My Session I Would See You On The Field For This Mortal Insult.
  143. (11:09:01 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Uh-huh.
  144. (11:09:11 PM) ventricularpipefitter: In what regard? You were asked to apologize for hurting the feelings of another, insisted that a mistake or a misunderstanding was not something you wished to take responsibility for, and therefore did not see fit to offer apologize for incautious speech. We are taking offense at your lack of apology.
  145. (11:09:12 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You can take your honor and shove it up your twat.
  146. (11:09:41 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: It's the only place it won't get bruised, now that you're not safe on your homeworld.
  147. (11:09:47 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: And it is /hurting/ /other/ /people/.
  148. (11:10:06 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: I'm not going to let you try to bully Kona into letting you put yourself ahead of her.
  149. (11:10:50 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: You
  150. (11:11:03 PM) Bobbin is now known as mayoralRabbit
  151. (11:11:09 PM) ***mayoralRabbit has connected to the memo
  152. (11:11:13 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: Oh, hello
  153. (11:11:24 PM) mayoralRabbit: Hi
  154. (11:11:26 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: You're not worth more than her, and the fact that you're trying to imply your honor is worth more than an apology to her for having hurt and upset her proves that your apologies aren't worth the effort it would take you to type them.
  155. (11:11:27 PM) clarifiedDiplomat: (There is a bit of an argument going on as a warning)
  156. (11:12:00 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: Let Me Correct You On This, CaffeinatedCapacitor.
  157. (11:12:05 PM) mayoralRabbit: (Gotcha)
  158. (11:12:15 PM) caffeinatedCapacitor: Nope, I don't care to hear it.
  159. (11:12:26 PM) ***caffeinatedCapacitor has ignored mellifluousOdysseus
  160. (11:12:32 PM) mayoralRabbit: (Logs?)
  161. (11:12:47 PM) ***caffeinatedCapacitor PMs caffeinatedCapacitor: ( Type /ignore mellifluousOdysseus to stop seeing her messages. )
  162. (11:12:52 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: Your Friend Is Upset, So You Will Go To Whatever Length Is Required To Succor Her Feelings, Without Any Regard For The Feelings Of Others.
  163. (11:12:57 PM) KarrinBlue is now known as entanglingPoise
  164. (11:13:05 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: My Feelings Have Not Been Taken Into Consideration Here
  165. (11:13:10 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: Not Even ONCE!
  166. (11:13:43 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: You Care For The Emotions Your Friend Values, But You Care Not A Whit For The Emotions That I Value.
  167. (11:13:58 PM) mellifluousOdysseus: For All You Appear To Care, I May As Well Be An Emotionless Automaton.
  168. (11:14:18 PM) ***entanglingPoise has joined the memo\
  169. (11:14:27 PM) ventricularpipefitter: Is respect to be granted, or earned?
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