Robin - Pit MU by Knepsis

First mistake people always make is assume he's a projectile zoner
Robin has amazing projectiles but he will not usually be using them to zone as they have better utility and aren't great agaiinst most fast characters
so his main zoning tool will be fair
levin fair is kinda insane
it is extremely disjointed, does really good damage, combos, kills, has electric properties making it really good on shield...
both ac fair and landing fair are -9 on shield
wich coupled with their good range means they're basically safe on shield
robin will go for frame traps on your shield drop
if they fair your shield they will often jab
since their jab is the fastes sword based jab in the game
and has great potential rewards
jab is frame 4
so always be on the lookout for that
the ideal situation of for robin not to fair your shield
bc they can then condition holding shield with jab and proceed to grab you
that's fair
robin's secondary zoning/baiting tool is bair
landing bair also -9 on shield
but it has a lot more range than bair and a fair bit more knockback
if robin does landing bair they will be too far to follow up usually, which means you can just reset neutral
the next super scary move robin has are the thunder variants
they all have their uses
the stages are :
1: thunder
2: elthunder
3: arcthunder
4: thoron
thunder is usually used as a poke against slow characters
it stops them on their tracks and just annoys them, possibly forcing a mistake
if they're using it against pit you can powershield and da
next is elthunder
elthunder does solid damage, solid knockback
no reall follow ups on it
this is robin's goto zoning projectile
it's not amazing as it takes some time to charge, but it does the job
if the're using it to zone just walk towards robin while powershielding them
next is arcthunder
by far the best of the thunder spells
robin's goal in most mus (including pit) will be to charge up to this
the move starts out slow and speeds up at medium range
at close range it beats everything except for roll back
once it's sped up you can spot dodge it
at close range it's best to roll through it or jump over it
fh ad backwards (to avoid robin hitting you with the levin sword) is the safest way to jump through it
this move is insane
if the move hits you or your shield at anything other than far range then robin can get a grab or combo from it
if you do actually get hit by it then you can technically sdi up to avoid the grab
the things that robin willl do from arcthunder will be: grab, fair, nosferatu, dair
arcthunder -> dair is called ignis
it uses knockback stacking to create a ridiculously strong semi spike
at the ledge sheik dies at 40 to ignis
for comparaison
nosferatu will usually be used if they're at high percent ad you're at low/mid percent as it heals more the bigger the percent difference
i know fox can dash attack robin if he gets hit by nosferatu while robin is in endlag, howerver i don't think ours is fast enough, which means it's safe on hit
grab and fair are pretty self explanatory
lastly thoron
thoron is an amazing presure tool
just habing it makes robin's opponents scared
it's a laser that goes the entire screen
robin can choose to extend it or not
they will usually extend it though as there are no real disadvanntages to it
if you're familiar with the character you can actually react to thoron, but if you're not then you'll usually have to predict it
or stay at reaction range
thoron will usually be used in one of 2 situations: 1st as a whiff punish or 2nd as an edge garding tool
if robin has thoron be very careful about whatyou do
even if you're in the other side of the stage
bc thoron will come at you if the robin sees you
when you're high offstage, and robin forces you to drop past the ledge then they might go for the thoron
if you don't airdodge it you will probably die
if you do airdodge, then you will have to recover low, which robin can intercept pretty well
i should add that elthunder might also be used to do this, but you'll need to be closeish to the ledge
there are a couple set ups into thoron, but they're not likely to come up
frame sync bair into reverse thoron and dthrown book into thoron at like 30, but again not common(edited)
arcfire
arcifre is garbage as a zoning tool against everyone except ganon
the mve has a ton of lag and cna be easily punished by most characters
the best ways to punish are jumpng over it once it's landed, or rolling trhough it before/after it lands
arcfire really shines once robin's opponent is at disadvantage
it's ok to catch landings, but it's best at ledge trapping
an arctunder placed at the ledge will force you to roll in
all other options loose to it
and robin will be at the perfect distance to punish that roll
if they misspace it then waiting it out is best
otherwise you can try to wait fro it to run out by using up all of your invincivility and then getting up
arcfire can be rolled out of, but it will sometimes still hit you
the best time to roll out is usually before the final hit
but because of how multi hits work in smash that can just maek you get hit
it's also dependent on your roll
some characters are much better at getting out than others
if the cneter of arcfire hits you, then rolling out will probably get you hit
only try to roll out if you are at checkmate percent or are very close to the sides
knowing what to do when you get grabbed is bery important in this mu

at very low percents (not quite at 0, you can nair or jump out sometimes) dthrow to jab is  guaranteed
if they go for the rapid jab then you shuld sdi up and jump out
don't sdi out as the last hitbox has extra range
fire jab is usually safer,which you just have to take
at low percents, dthrow uptilt is true
it's just free damage for robin
they can try to get a second one it's however not true, so jump ad out
at mid- high percents, robin doesn't have great follow ups
dthrow nair is true, but not a great  combo
however right after that is checkmate
and checkmate is what makes robin scary
checkmate percents for pit are 95 to 128
it can sometimes true combo before than, however it will not kill
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it's not a 50 50 until past 128
if you ad the robin can ff andac the upair and regrab you
or if they know you ad they will sit there and charge a smash
also don't ad before checkmate kill percent
or before it's true
it will get you killed via smash attack
or regrabbed
which has the same effect
in general don't ad out of robin's dthrow stuff
you'll just eat a bigger punish
the other relevan throw is bthrow
it's a kill throw once checkmate stops being true
if robin has thoron they will sometimes try to fthrow to thoron as a di mixup for dthrow, but it's not true and shoudl not hit you unless you're sleeping
especially as pi
di for dthrow is up and out
and then try to jump out
for bthrow it's in and down
for other moves, robin doesn't really have any other broken moves, just those above
worth pointing out, dtilt has basically no lag, late hit upair is positive on shield, dair is kinda garbage
late hit upair is not good though bc it has too much startup
ok so now onto neutral
robin's will have one of 2 goals: camping or playing the pressure/trappping game
the first one i;ve already kinda explained how to deal with above, powershield elthunder, roll/jump through arcfire and hit them
it's worth keeping in mind that then can jump out of thunder charge
which put's fair on the table
but robin's jumpsquat is horrible, so it won't be super fast
the campy robin is not really good unless they're up against character with horrible mobility
the pressure oriented robin's first priority should always be charging arcthunder
an keeping it stored
with a stored arcthunder they can use fair bair nad dtilt to pressure your shield and start combos
once they've conditioned you into shielding/attacking, they will arcthunder you/your shield at checkmate percent and kill you
they could also archunder at other percents for damage(edited)
robin's grab is bad, so they will not often go for the raw grab
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especially since people are really scared of it
advantage:
onc erobin gets you into the air/the corner they will use their aerials/tomes to keep you in the air
fair upair and bair are really good
and the spells will usually catch landings
your best bet to get down is to run away form robin and try to land
going to ledge is an option but then you have to deala with arcfire ledge traps
getting off ledge i explained when talking about arcfire
worth noting, thunder variants are also good at keeping you at ledge, and make ledge trapping even more deadly(edited)
when recovering you need to mix up your recovery
horizontal recovery is the safest, but it can get beaten out
if you do telegraph your recovery expect to get elwind spiked to death
also if you hover at around the ledge roin will arcfire you for it, so don't stall too much too close with your jumps
advantage:
robin is bad at landing
you will woant to use upair, uptilt and upsmash to keep them in the air
dash attack isn't great because it puts you in the threat bubbles of fair and bair
robin will usually rethreat to ledge
if they don't have a jump then their recovery is super linear and easily interceptable
also it runs out after 9 times
dair, nair, fair and bair are all god for edge guarding a jumpless robin
if they have a jump they could jump aerial, which will uaully give them enough time to get back to the ledge if it connects, maybe even killing you
the most common ones are fair and upair
if they have thoron, they will die if they use it offstage, but all other thunder variants can be used safely(edited)
do not fall for jump airdodge baits, as they will forllow them up with an elwind spike
oh also charges:
levin has 8, takes 10 seconds to come back
thunder has 20 charges, and each projectile uses a different amount:
    thunder: 1
    elthunder: 2
    arcthunder: 5
    thoron: 8
if hey have any amount of charges left, they can still use all of them, te thunde rtome takes 12 seconds to come back
arcfire has 6 charges, which are shared with fire jab, it takes 12 seconds to respawn
nosferatu has 4 charges and takes 40 seconds to come back
elwind has 18 charges(uses 2 per up b), and is shared with wind jab, takes 7 seconds to come back
if robin drops a book or the sowr, they will pick it up unless they're mid combo, this is a ridiculously storng projectile than is fast oos, and kills, so be on the look out for it(edited)
and yes you can reflect elwind to spike robin

tl;dr: robin uses arcthunder to get grabs, fair and bair to pressure, never ad out of dthrow