LightBrand99

Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward

Jul 10th, 2026
8
0
Never
Not a member of Pastebin yet? Sign Up, it unlocks many cool features!
text 48.95 KB | None | 0 0
  1. I thought about it a little
  2. And my current suspect is Luna
  3. This is based on 999's formula though
  4. My guess is that the game setup and execution depends on the decisions that the players make
  5. I don't know why Sigma has the responsibility, or well, I don't know anything about Sigma at all to even guess why he's here
  6. But it was Luna who pushed Sigma to make the decision
  7. not unlike how Santa pushed Junpei back in 999
  8. So I'm guessing Luna is connected to the game setup
  9. and is at least partially responsible for making sure the players act as intended
  10. Like Santa though, she might not necessarily be the main mastermind, but merely an accomplice
  11.  
  12. ---
  13.  
  14. > big red button
  15. > Sigma and Alice discuss what kind of scary thing would happen if they press it
  16. > Luna presses it
  17.  
  18. She was also like, "I'm sure Zero would want us to play through the game instead of letting us self-destruct from something like this"
  19.  
  20. ---
  21.  
  22. Okay, so here’s the thing
  23. I was trying to figure out why K was put inside the armor
  24. From a meta perspective, this was likely done to prevent the player from recognizing him until the reveal
  25. From a story perspective, this was likely done to prevent other characters from recognizing him
  26. Namely, other participants
  27. Since this was specifically designed for the Nonary game
  28. From the meta perspective, my immediate reaction from the start was that he is from 999
  29. But as the game progressed, revealing more of his backstory and general character, it seemed like this was not the case
  30. Perhaps he is someone known by another character, but even so, the game never shows you any other characters, even when discussing backstories
  31. I can’t imagine that his face is one that the players fail to recognize
  32. This led me to the following conclusion:
  33. His face is of one of the other participants
  34.  
  35. This explains the meta reasoning for having his face hidden
  36. And also the story justification
  37. I don’t think he’s a clone; clones were only mentioned in the context of myrmidons, and I highly doubt there is another myrmidon
  38.  
  39. It also doesn’t make sense for K to be a robot, because his face wouldn’t really matter then
  40. I’m pretty sure K is a regular human
  41. So it’s the other person that’s different
  42. Perhaps one of the other characters is a robot with an ADT layer in someone else’s face
  43.  
  44. Specifically K’s face
  45. Currently my best guess is Sigma
  46. It seems likely that the robot, being modeled after K, would have height close to K
  47. Phi also examined a bunch of corpses in the Luna-Ally-Ally route, and I imagine she’d point out if any of them were robots
  48. So that leaves Quark, Sigma, and Phi herself
  49. It makes most sense from meta for K to have Sigma’s face
  50. They went so far out of their way to keep his face hidden that anything less would be probably be a disappointment
  51. The only issue I have with this is that Sigma doesn’t have amnesia, so he’d likely possess K’s memories, but then he would’ve noticed the overlap when K talked about his past
  52.  
  53. Zero Sr possibilities, from least to most likely:
  54. 9. Dio - Confirmed to have infiltrated the game, which doesn’t make sense if he executed it as Zero Sr
  55. 8. Tenmyouji - Used to be a strong candidate, until he slipped that Zero gave him a choice. The lack of clarification further supports the authenticity of the statement. Finally, the Luna-Ally-Betray ending confirms that he desperately just wants Quark out, even at the cost of everyone else, which wouldn’t make sense if he designed the game that imprisoned Quark in the first place.
  56. 7. Quark - Follows from the Tenmyouji reasoning, but there is an extremely unlikely possibility that he manipulated Tenmyouji into it.
  57. 6. Sigma - As the player can follow his thoughts, ZeroSigma only makes sense if Sigma lost his memory after beginning the game. With no indications of amnesia, as well as the general absurdity of such a scenario, Sigma is pretty clear.
  58. 5. K - His position is too unusual to make sense if he were Zero, but he actually does have amnesia. Still though, the armor was specifically designed for his participation in the Nonary game, which doesn’t fit with him being Zero. His willingness to betray and escape with 9 points also suggest that he’s not consciously pursuing Zero’s actual objective for the game.
  59. 4. Phi - She knows things that she shouldn’t, but they’re presented in a manner that suggests that her knowledge isn’t due to setting up the game. I have no doubt that the factors that let her know things are correlated to her participation in the game, and even that she likely has a good idea of the objective of the game, but I’m fairly confident that she’s not the mastermind.
  60. 3. Clover - Her participation in the previous Nonary games, as well as her general behavior strongly suggest that she’s not Zero. Her reactions to events are too strong to be faked, and 999 showed that she’d be awful at putting up a false front.
  61. 2. Alice - Too little is known about her, except her connection to Clover. Her strong reactions (weaker than Clover though) seem authentic though, and suggest that she’s not Zero.
  62. 1. Luna - The top suspect gets more suspicious by the day. Even her strong reactions (which seem more authentic than Alice’s fwiw) are actually consistent with being Zero, like panicking about Chromatic Doors closing, or dealing with Sigma’s spiteful betrayals. She’s also the only character that we know almost nothing about, with no suggestions on why she would be selected to participate in the game at all
  63. Even by elimination, it boils down to Luna vs Alice, with Luna making more sense even without meta reasoning
  64. It’s interesting to note that the only two realistic candidates are the ones that die in the routes I’ve seen
  65. I wonder if other routes in which they aren’t murdered demonstrate strong cases for them not being Zero
  66. Being murdered btw, means very little, since Zero would likely participate as a normal player with the same dangers, with little to no admin control once the game begins
  67.  
  68. What still baffles me though, is Alice’s death
  69. Clover is cleared, but nobody else would be able to approach her and stab her without a struggle
  70. Especially since the knife was in her possession
  71. She could’ve been drugged, but Phi didn’t notice any injection marks (while clearly finding it for Luna)
  72. I can’t imagine she’d eat or drink something given to her after she picks up the knife
  73. Oh, yeah, I had another theory about Tenmyouji + Clover handcuffed
  74. Tenmyouji might have handcuffed himself to Clover
  75. The stab makes it unlikely though
  76. Dio is still the top suspect for that
  77. Also, having done Crew Quarters, I found the handcuffs there
  78. I’m not sure who went to Crew Quarters in that route, but I think it was Dio, Quark, and Tenmyouji
  79.  
  80. So I was thinking about how Sigma can experience multiple possibilities, a feature that Uchikoshi always justifies in his VNs. Due to various reasons, I’m pretty sure this isn’t a reenactment of a previous event like in Ever17 or 999. This further raises the question of why this free flow through time is restricted to the Nonary Ambidex game.
  81. - Perhaps Sigma’s ability only emerged at the start of the Nonary game. If Sigma is a robot, then maybe the start of the game is when he booted up for the first time. Or maybe it was the first time he booted up after a special component (that allows this Flow ability) was installed. This component would probably be explained off with quantum magic.
  82. - My theories only get crazier. It’s possible that the Flow ability arises from being infected with Radical-6. Other victims probably experienced similar Flow control to a lesser extent, but the possibilities collapsed into their demise. Sigma’s infection is probably more severe, while he is somehow kept alive with better control over the Flow. This would also explain why Phi knows things, since she might be infected to a lesser degree.
  83. - An even crazier theory I have is that the ability is only active during the eclipse. I’m having a hard time figuring out how the eclipse could be relevant, but it’s possible that the Nonary game started when the eclipse began, somehow allowing Sigma to move freely through the flow of time for the duration of the eclipse. This, however, would require even crazier supernatural justification, which cannot even be shrugged off as quantum magic.
  84.  
  85. I do have a theory about the eclipse that has no relation to the Flow control. Basically, I was wondering if Radical-6 is affected by sunlight, like if it is only lethal after exposure to sunlight. Being trapped in an underground shelter with abundant supplies is actually a blessing then. Any who escape would likely do so when the eclipse is up, so they will be safe for a while.
  86. An alternative theory is that sunlight actually purges the Radical-6 virus, so the disease wasn’t a big deal until the eclipse triggered a huge epidemic. This would explain why Phi and Dio kept their protective suits on in Dio’s ending, to prevent infection while the sun is blocked. This theory, however, provides no insights on the Nonary game itself.
  87.  
  88. Also, I think it is very likely that Sigma's Flow control thingy would involve some justification along the lines of quantum states occurring simultaneously without collapsing to a measurement, using Schrodinger's Cat as an example
  89.  
  90. ---
  91.  
  92. Some interesting points to note:
  93. - somebody has a cybernetic arm; not sure who though. K seems like an obvious choice, but I think it's someone else
  94. - Luna's necklace has a blue bird and a key that plays music; the music makes her happy and symbolizes some journey to happiness
  95. - The robots in VLR possibly follow Asimov's three laws; 016, in particular, is confirmed to abide by the 0th Law
  96. I feel like I've seen the string "016" somewhere before in the game...
  97.  
  98. ---
  99.  
  100. > My theories only get crazier. It’s possible that the Flow ability arises from being infected with Radical-6. Other victims probably experienced similar Flow control to a lesser extent, but the possibilities collapsed into their demise. Sigma’s infection is probably more severe, while he is somehow kept alive with better control over the Flow. This would also explain why Phi knows things, since she might be infected to a lesser degree.
  101.  
  102. This was from two weeks ago, but it's relevant again after recent events
  103. Alice is confirmed to be infected with Radical-6, and she also has some control over the FLOW after that ally/betray switcheroo
  104. She doesn't seem to have a clue about it, however; awareness of the FLOW seems to be limited to Sigma, and to a lesser extent, Phi
  105. It's possible that, although Radical-6 victims can mess with the FLOW, Sigma's ability is from a different source (as opposed to a Radical-6 infection)
  106. he doesn't seem to display any of the other symptoms
  107. I still think Sigma gains this ability due to being a robot (could he be 016?), but that Radical-6 victims can interact with the FLOW while lacking awareness of it
  108.  
  109. ---
  110.  
  111. HOLY SOAP
  112. So uh
  113. I just
  114. used the FLOW to reread K's backstory
  115. since I was severely sleep-deprived back then and couldn't concentrate
  116. and it revealed so much
  117. I need to review my theories and make new ones
  118.  
  119. Alright, I spent some time thinking it over and I have some ideas
  120. But first, some good news! (for you)
  121. This destroys my theories about (a) Sigma being a robot modeled after K, and (b) Phi being K's stepmom, or the mother figure
  122. Anyhow, the first thing I noticed was that K described that he was raised in a "facility"
  123. and spent his whole life in it
  124. When he talked about dining with his parents, the picture showed the exact same table and chairs from the Lounge area
  125. This essentially confirms that K has lived in this very facility (hosting the Nonary Ambidex Game) his whole life
  126. This also implies that K's backstory is at least related to the development of the Nonary Game
  127. Next, K discovered that he was "created" for the purpose of continuing his father's work
  128. This suggests that he is a robot, but due to the same old meta reasons, I highly doubt he is a robot
  129. Instead, my guess is that he is a clone of his father
  130. this would explain why he was raised without a mother in his early childhood as well
  131.  
  132. His father's research, after all, was in genetic engineering
  133. Next, K said his father created a robot to act as his mother
  134. which K rejected
  135. this doesn't seem to be too relevant, but that's exactly why I find it suspicious that this detail was even brought up in the story
  136. Due to meta reasons, this mother robot that K rejected would have to be relevant in some form or another
  137. which brings me back to Phi
  138. Phi wasn't the human stepmom that K accepted
  139. She was the robot mother he rejected!
  140. The fact that this robot was specifically meant to be K's mother suggests that it is at least in a female form
  141. So if it's not Phi, the other options are Luna, Alice, and... Clover
  142. Alice and Clover are not likely due to various reasons
  143. it could be Luna, but I'm still insistent on her being Zero, so that leaves Phi
  144. Phi may have initially been created to be K's mother, but of course, she may have been reprogrammed for other purposes after K rejected her
  145. Anyway, moving on to the actual juicy bits of information
  146. The human mother figure that K accepted
  147.  
  148. Although K initially suspected that she might be his true mother (when she described his father falling in love), the backstory later discusses how she said she would have wanted to marry the man who saved her and live the rest of her life with him but couldn't
  149. K further expresses his dismay about the "mother" caring more for somebody that K never met, more than K himself
  150. So K likely learned that the man she wanted to marry was not, in fact, his father
  151. This further supports the theory that K was a clone; he had no mother to begin with
  152. The other woman was neither his mother, nor even someone who loved his father in that way
  153. But she did know him when he was young, and they lived together much later with her becoming K's mother figure, so she is either a really close friend of his father, or a relative
  154. I'm leaning towards the latter, specifically a brother
  155. As for who she is, there are two more important clues, but reconciling between them was quite a challenge
  156. The first is when K overhead the two talking about the mother being sacrificed
  157. The background CG showed both parents
  158. I looked long and hard at the CG
  159. I couldn't recognize the father, and the angle made it difficult to reveal any facial features
  160. This may have been intentional, i.e., the father does carry some distinguishing physical characteristic, possibly on his face, and the angle of the image deliberately avoided it
  161.  
  162. But there's not much I can theorize about what's NOT visible
  163. The mother, on the other hand
  164. Bears a striking resemblance to... the old lady found in the Ambidex room
  165. It's such a strong resemblance that I am pretty sure it was very deliberate
  166. K's human mother figure is none other than the corpse that Tenmyouji was so distressed about
  167. (but I'm very sure that Tenmyouji isn't K's father; more on that later)
  168. the other big clue about the mother, was her role
  169. She accepted her fate as a sacrifice for the success of this research objective, one that she was convinced would save a lot of people
  170. one that was planned a long time ago; even before K was born, since he was "created" to continue his father's work
  171. But if some research project was known to save a lot of people so far in the future, it suggests that the threat itself was also anticipated so long before it happened
  172.  
  173. Furthermore, she told K about the man who saved her life a long time ago
  174. We don't have a lot of data about events in the past, much less involving a man saving a woman's life
  175. the only event that fits perfectly... is the first Nonary game
  176. In other words, and I am being 100% serious, I propose that the old lady is Kurashiki Akane
  177.  
  178. K's mother figure (NOT a stepmom) is Akane
  179. that would explain her comment about wanting to be with the man who saved her life (Junpei)
  180. while also explaining how this research is based on handling a disaster that was anticipated far longer than it occurred
  181. Her morphogenetic field is strong enough to let her see at least 9 years ahead; it's not a stretch to suggest that she may have seen events from much further into the future
  182. And rather than live happily ever after with Junpei, she decided to work towards saving the future
  183. working with K's father, whom she knew when he was young
  184. Eliminating Junpei, the only "young" male from the 999 crew is Santa
  185.  
  186. But the old lady is definitely... old
  187. This must be a long time after 999
  188. Deriving the year based on indirect deductions has always been problematic in all of Uchikoshi's works
  189. As far as I can tell, the only real contradiction is Clover
  190. which extends to Alice, as they know each other
  191. But I already had the theory that Alice was put in the treatment pod to prevent the Radical-6 virus from developing further
  192. It's possible that Clover was also infected, and was also placed in the treatment pod
  193. But the duration in which they rested was much longer than they could have imagined
  194.  
  195. Perhaps, they were snatched on the 22nd of December
  196. 2028
  197. But they all slept for a really long time
  198. in other words, the eclipse outside is not the eclipse of 2028
  199. it's an eclipse from much later
  200. This also explains how the outside world looked like a gloomy post-apocalyptic world, which Sigma couldn't believe could arise from just 6 days
  201.  
  202. There is one big issue though
  203. though it may prove to be more enlightening
  204. only three people awoke from the pod
  205. This theory requires Alice and Clover to be two out of the three
  206. but now it only accommodates one more person
  207. I can exclude K, who was raised in this facility
  208. I can also exclude Tenmyouji and Quark, since my theory was that they came in at the present time
  209. Dio is also confirmed to have infiltrated from outside
  210. This leaves Sigma, Phi, and Luna
  211. Only one of these is a human from 2028
  212. The others may be robots put to sleep, or a human from the post-apocalyptic future
  213. Actually, the whole Phi vs Luna issue still puzzles me
  214. If one of them is the human robot created by K's father, it's likely that they are Zero's "accomplice" since the Ambidex Game seems to arise from this research
  215. But all of my evidence from before today, meta or otherwise, pointed strongly to Luna being the Zero accomplice
  216. And yet, Luna must be a human, since she was killed by a tubocurarine injection
  217.  
  218. > (A) Hold on, what significance do you think K's father has? Why do you think he's connected at all?
  219. > (A) is he the previous owner of the place?
  220.  
  221. or the current owner still
  222. He, along with Akane, worked on stuff that ultimately resulted in the Nonary Ambidex Game
  223. I suspected he didn't live to see it start
  224.  
  225. > (A) According to your theory, those two are the mastermind of the operation
  226.  
  227. Yup
  228. Just like 999 😛
  229. Akane and Aoi
  230. well, okay, I did consider Aoi = Tenmyouji briefly, and that's still a possibility
  231.  
  232. Akane was meant to be a participant
  233. She is Zero
  234. Sr
  235.  
  236. > (A) But Zero Jr said that the real Zero was among the nine present
  237.  
  238. In that case
  239. It's the robot that continues to carry out Zero's will
  240. So, either Phi or Luna
  241. or well
  242. if it's not a robot, then it's Luna
  243. but if it is, then Phi
  244.  
  245. I had also briefly considered Clover-Zero
  246. when I realized she was the contradiction to the timestamp
  247. but if Alice confirmed 2028, then that theory breaks
  248. (I had also considered Clover as being a clone)
  249. (yes, my mind went into a lot of crazy places today)
  250.  
  251. > (A) Here's something to chew on
  252. > (A) was the presence of radical-6 in the game planned? If so why do you think Zero would allow such a dangerous disease in the premises?
  253.  
  254. Its presence was necessary
  255. My theory is that it was the Radical-6 outbreak that resulted in this post-apocalyptic world
  256. I don't yet know how the game intends to fix that, or if that's even what the game is trying to fix
  257. But the presence of Radical-6 within the participants is likely essential for finding the solution to eradicate it from the world
  258. This isn't just to save one person or a handful of people
  259. 016 is acting to save the human race
  260.  
  261. The situation outside is likely much more severe
  262. The viruses inside haven't advanced so far yet
  263. It probably would, with time, but the game is planned to end before that
  264. There's also the whole Chinese Room shenanigans that I've been trying to avoid
  265.  
  266. Also, I suspect that Akane's assassination wasn't random
  267. Dio likely had specific orders to eliminate her
  268.  
  269. > (A) why is the old lady's body absent in different timelines?
  270.  
  271. Okay, there's no way I could answer that regardless of what theories I can derive
  272. There's too little data about the Alice branch
  273. Actually, wait
  274. Akane probably foresaw all the different timelines
  275. Zero Sr and Zero Jr act differently based on the choices Sigma makes
  276. Zero Jr moved the body in the Luna branch
  277. while its location is unknown for the Alice branch
  278. but she's certainly killed, since Dio has her bracelet
  279.  
  280. > (A) so Zero also planted the bombs?
  281.  
  282. Actually, no
  283. My theory about the bomb
  284. is that it was K
  285. K wanted to destroy the entire facility, out of the immature impulse of eliminating his father's research in order to save Akane
  286. the detonator's location is unknown though
  287. it's probably not with K now
  288.  
  289. > (A) but K had no memories
  290.  
  291. I'm still not sure it was placed later
  292. but hmm
  293. In that case
  294. I'm gonna guess Zero Sr (Luna/Phi)
  295. actually, no
  296. It was probably Dio
  297. Dio, after all, had the code to disarming it
  298. Free the Soul likely wanted to disrupt the whole project
  299. Dio's entire mission was to plant the bomb
  300. well, assassinate Akane and plant the bomb
  301.  
  302. > (A) but no bombs were found in the other timeline (unless they just missed it)
  303.  
  304. Oh, hey!
  305. That actually fits
  306. kinda
  307. The bomb was found after the first game, right?
  308. In the Luna branch, they already found Akane's corpse
  309. Dio likely didn't leave her corpse in Luna's room
  310. He hid her elsewhere
  311. But when Dio found the corpse revealed, and at an AB room no less
  312. He realized he was being watched
  313. and that his actions would not go unnoticed
  314. He decided to play it safe and avoid further suspicious actions
  315. He still wanted his knife back, but made sure to stay in line otherwise
  316. But in the Alice branch, the corpse wasn't found, which is what Dio was expected
  317. So he continued to carry out his mission, believing that his cover was secure
  318.  
  319. Zero is manipulating him without his knowledge, yes
  320. OH
  321. This also explains his AB choice!
  322. It wasn't just Quark being Quark!
  323. (though that might be part of it)
  324. Once the corpse was revealed, Dio realized he was compromised, and his objective was to get out asap and report to Brother
  325. hence the Round 1 Betray
  326. and of course, the Round 2 betray
  327. but on the Alice branch, with the corpse hidden
  328. Dio chose Ally
  329. He was continuing with his original mission
  330. instead of trying to get out asap
  331.  
  332. what interests me the most
  333. is Tenmyouji
  334. Tenmyouji knows Akane
  335. making me suspect he is one of the 999 participants
  336. but the only options are Snake, Santa, Junpei, and Seven
  337. I'm still entertaining the possibility of Tenmyouji-Santa, but that contradicts the theory that K's father is Santa
  338. Snake is extremely unlikely, with Clover being around
  339. and also because he's not blind
  340. That leaves Junpei and Seven
  341. I initially dismissed Junpei, but I'm starting to think Junpei-Tenmyouji makes a lot of sense
  342. It certainly explains his reaction to seeing Akane's corpse
  343. and how it controlled him for the rest of the game in all further branches
  344. Quark not recognizing Akane isn't an issue; Akane did imply that she couldn't marry the man who saved her and live with him
  345. Akane further implied that she was sacrificing herself for his sake too
  346. so Junpei is not unrelated to this game
  347.  
  348. > (A) Even assuming that the old lady is Akane, which is based off of paragraph, how would Junpei (or anyone from 999) know what Akane looks like when she's old?
  349.  
  350. Interestingly, the fact that you asked this question further supports a theory I had about it
  351. Tenmyouji said that Zero made him an offer
  352. My theory is that Akane invited Tenmyouji-Junpei directly
  353. no mask
  354. She didn't tell him it would lead to her death though
  355. It makes far more sense for Tenmyouji to accept an offer that could endanger Quark if it's coming from his lover (and likely Quark's grandmother too)
  356. than some mysterious masked entity
  357.  
  358. > (A) For what purpose would Akane do that? Is she a sadist?
  359.  
  360. Nope
  361. _it was necessary_
  362. Just as it was necessary to endanger the 999 crew in 999
  363. and in fact, there were plenty of timelines that left a trail of corpses back then too
  364. She knew that, regardless of the greater purpose, Junpei probably wouldn't agree to her death
  365. but she was committed to sacrificing herself for that cause
  366.  
  367. > (A) But why would Junpei have to be in this game, rather than some random person? Why crush the one she loved?
  368. > (A) I mean, Lotus was probably less necessary in 999 than Junpei
  369. > (A) unless you're saying that Tenmyouji is central to this game
  370.  
  371. I'm not sure why _anybody_ is in this game, besides Dio
  372. But I'm sure there are reasons
  373.  
  374. > unless you're saying that Tenmyouji is central to this game
  375.  
  376. I suspect it's not Tenmyouji, but actually Quark
  377. but that's just meta speculation
  378. no actual evidence for that
  379.  
  380. ---
  381.  
  382. Side note
  383. Kid K was holding a stuffed rabbit
  384. probably the model for Zero Jr
  385.  
  386. ---
  387.  
  388. btw there was a scene in the infirmary that seemed to confirm that Phi is not from 2028
  389. When Sigma was expressing his surprise at the Radical-6 outbreak, both Phi and Tenmyouji were like "Yeah, yeah, let's move on"
  390. as if this was old news
  391. This further strengthens the possibility of Phi being K's robot mother
  392.  
  393. In other news
  394. I found 016!
  395. I decided to reread segments, and it occurred to me that my previous encounter with 016 must've been in the Luna tree
  396. And then I thought it was during the Security Room scene
  397. So I reread that part
  398. But unfortunately, there was no 016 in the Security Room
  399. but I decided to keep reading
  400. And I found 016
  401. written in blood in Clover's thigh
  402. This implies that (a) it was 016 that killed Clover and Tenmyouji, or (b) the true killer used their blood to frame 016
  403. I'm inclined towards the latter
  404. The former implies that Clover not only knew that her assailant was 016, but chose to identify them as such instead of using their regular name that everyone is aware of
  405. Given that Clover is from 2028, I highly doubt 016 existed back then (even with confidential SOIS access)
  406. And again, choosing to identify them as 016 would be pretty useless, especially since her fellow coworker (Alice) is dead, eliminating the possibility that the writing was meant only for her
  407.  
  408. Furthermore, all the other evidence points to Dio being the killer, with how Tenmyouji was obsessed with spraying everyone with Luminol as well as the fact that Tenmyouji's hand wound is from Dio's knife (which he retrieved from Alice earlier)
  409. So Dio is aware that there is a "016", but probably doesn't know who it is
  410.  
  411. But he nonetheless decided to frame 016 for the murder of Clover and Tenmyouji
  412. Some other points
  413. Phi said 016 sounded familiar, but couldn't quite recall it
  414. I doubt she was lying, so this implies that Phi must have heard about 016 in some form
  415. It's also possible that Phi is 016, but is not aware of it
  416. Her general attitude during this entire section suggests that her efforts and reactions are genuine, as opposed to deliberately concealing information
  417. The one exception is with regards to Quark
  418. She is very confident about Quark being alive, and adamantly defends him from murder accusations
  419. So I think Phi knows about Quark from before
  420.  
  421. This further supports my theory that Quark is integral to achieving the objectives of the Nonary Game
  422. Also, I was reminded that Sigma lost conscious while seeing the world accelerate
  423. From previous Uchikoshi works, these segments of lost consciousness are always important, with crucial events occurring without the player's knowledge
  424. This was exploited in both 999 and R11
  425. So I'm gonna guess that Phi did stuff while Sigma was out
  426. I doubt she'd actually leave the Security Room (and kill people :P) though
  427. but she probably saw other interesting things in the video feed that she decided not to show Sigma
  428. There is also still the issue of the Ambidex Gate opening
  429. Dio, Tenmyouji, K, and Alice are confirmed human with blood flowing
  430. Clover is unlikely to be a robot; she is recognized by both Alice and the player
  431.  
  432. Quark is confirmed to be infected with Radical-6, implying that he is human as well
  433. This leaves Sigma, Phi, and Luna
  434. Phi is not from 2028, given her reaction to Sigma learning about Radical-6
  435. I also realized that Luna is unlikely to be from 2028 as well, since she had no problems with casually suggesting that Sigma might be a robot, and even brought up the ADT covering as well
  436. I doubt such occurrences were normal in 2028
  437. Phi is a very interesting case
  438. There are strong indications of her being connected to K somehow, which led me to believe she was K's robot mother
  439. The problem is, this Security Room branch is one of the very branches in which Phi trusted K to Ally with her
  440. when she knocked out Dio
  441. This suggests that Phi is aware of her connection to K in the Security Room branch
  442. If Phi is a robot and she is aware of it, then her reaction to "016" doesn't make sense
  443. If she is 016, she'd know it
  444. If she isn't, then this implies that there is another robot
  445.  
  446. Also, I eliminated Sigma as a robot; with Luna and Phi being non-2028, that only leaves Sigma as the third candidate for the treatment pod
  447. Anyhow, regardless of Phi's state, it seems that Luna is a robot
  448. It's possible that Phi and Luna are both robots, but the only remaining link to Phi being a robot is her mysterious connection to K
  449. but if one of them was designed to be K's mother, then Luna certainly has suitable motherly traits
  450. which fit with K's memory of her too, with how she would try hard to care for him and show her love, and crying when he rejects her
  451. which... really doesn't sound like Phi
  452. Luna being a robot also explains how the Ambidex Room was opened in this branch
  453. Quark opening it has too many problems; he would have had to acquire his bracelet from the infirmary, and then, instead of outright leaving (since it was at 9), he would then decide to open an Ambidex Room
  454. The fact that he was unconscious for a good period of time makes this even crazier, since he'd likely be very confused and even scared
  455. definitely not a state where opening an Ambidex Room would be the natural course of action
  456. But if it's not Quark, then it must be a corpse
  457.  
  458. And the only ones without human wounds are Luna and Clover
  459. Clover is almost certainly a human, and was still handcuffed to Tenmyouji too
  460. Luna, on the other hand, had free movement
  461. At this point, I'm convinced that Luna is a robot
  462. Specifically, she is 016
  463.  
  464. If I am correct about Luna being 016, then I'd have to admit that the gold files can be spoilery
  465. since the deduction was rooted on the knowledge that 016 is a robot
  466. (though I suppose if one assumes 016 is a character, then a robot would be a natural assumption since it would likely be an ID number of sorts)
  467. Then again, it's possible that this is something that can't be figured out normally
  468. I suspect that the gold files were designed for mystery purposes, providing enough clues for mystery enthusiasts to make thorough deductions that may otherwise be impossible to figure out
  469. while being vague enough that players who are only in for the ride won't get spoiled while enjoying crazy plot twists that they'd never see coming
  470. ...it's kinda funny that I'm talking about crazy plot twists without actually having experienced any of them yet myself
  471.  
  472. ---
  473.  
  474. Okay, so Clover isn't infected with Radical-6
  475. This makes me wonder why she was captured and placed in the treatment pod
  476. for all these years
  477. She is probably important for keeping Alice stable
  478. I also still don't know Quark's and Phi's roles
  479.  
  480. I'm also quite unsure about tree-specific events or lack thereof
  481. - Alice Tree does not reveal Akane's corpse (or even move the AB Room for that matter)
  482. - Alice Tree has the bombs (or at least, they're only found in Alice Tree)
  483. - Alice Tree has Alice/Phi decisions dependent on Sigma's decisions
  484. - Tenmyouji Tree has Quark's Radical-6 triggering early
  485. - Luna Tree has Quark disappearing
  486. Actually, wait, Quark's state changes with each tree
  487.  
  488. In Luna Tree, he disappears on his own after CD2 (and is later found in the Treatment Center pod)
  489. In Alice Tree, the Radical-6 triggers suicidal intent after CD2 in the infirmary
  490. In Tenmyouji Tree, the Radical-6 triggers suicidal intent before CD2 in the infirmary
  491. Aside from Quark changes, all the other changes seem to involve Alice Tree deviating from the others
  492. The changes start really early, with Akane's corpse not found anywhere despite normally showing up before AB1
  493.  
  494. Yeah, I still can't figure out where Dio could've hid the corpse
  495. Not just on the Alice Tree, but also on the other two Trees
  496. I highly doubt it was on Luna's AB Room
  497. Even if Luna was anticipating a corpse, Dio wouldn't let others find it
  498.  
  499. ---
  500.  
  501. Okay
  502. this is crazy
  503. really crazy
  504. sleeping at 4 am after a long VLR session messes my head up
  505. that when I wake up lying on my bed, my mind conjures up the craziest theories imaginable
  506. I came up with two theories
  507. The first and smaller theory is one that I thoroughly debunked later though
  508. it was a theory that the Alice Tree takes place at a different year than the other trees
  509. But there were several contradictions, the most explicit one being the presence of Axelavir in this tree
  510. another major contradiction is Tenmyouji; having an old Junpei in 2028 makes no sense, and things like clones and cold sleep cannot explain that
  511. Anyway, I scrapped that theory
  512. But I then came up with something even crazier
  513. And the amazing thing is
  514. I started off by trying to answer a small number of questions, but the more I explored the other pressing questions, the more I found that this theory accommodates them perfectly
  515.  
  516. Actually, before that
  517. There is one very specific segment I need to reread
  518. One that may contain a clue so deceptively strong that it can either completely validate or completely crush my theory
  519. (and I'm not even sure if there is such a clue)
  520. Do you remember exactly when it was that Sigma described his actions on December 25th?
  521. I need to reread that
  522. I know it was something I encountered really early on, and it's likely in a common segment, but I want to find out exactly where it is
  523.  
  524. Okaaaaaaaay
  525. Bad news: I found the scene, but it was an internal monologue, so it contained no clues whatsoever
  526. Good news: While trying to find this scene, I stumbled on some other scenes that further support my theory
  527. (but not the strong confirmation I was hoping to find)
  528.  
  529. Okay, I think I'm confident enough about this theory now
  530. So basically, what was plaguing my mind was K's face
  531. I was so convinced that he was Santa's clone for so long
  532. that having Sigma's face was too much of a shock
  533. So I kept trying to make sense of that
  534. and then there were other big questions that also puzzled me
  535. like on who created Zero (one of the players, but not Luna or Akane)
  536. or on who the third person on the treatment pods was (Sigma and Phi both said they were taken on Christmas, and neither of them seemed to be lying)
  537. and on how Sigma got Cybernetic Arms (he has no memory of it, and the cold sleep in the treatment pod would literally freeze him)
  538. But then it all came together
  539.  
  540. It seemed necessary that memories were tampered
  541. And the candidate that made the most sense is...
  542. Sigma
  543. My theory is that
  544. Sigma is Zero
  545. and K's dad
  546. but he somehow lost all his memories
  547.  
  548. likely part of the project that he himself designed with Akane
  549. Sigma "created" K (Klim) as a clone of himself, to continue the project in case he died
  550. At some point he lost his arms (unsure if deliberate), and replaced them with cybernetic arms
  551. The third person in the treatment pod is Phi
  552. And the biggest supporting evidence...
  553. is that you never see Sigma's face outside of that one flashback in 2028
  554. And while it's common for VNs to hide the protagonist's face, they usually at least show their hair
  555. And they wouldn't even show their face in flashbacks and whatnot
  556. So it's very unusual for a VN to hide someone's face entirely in the present scenarios, while showing it clearly in flashbacks
  557.  
  558. Also, past Uchikoshi VNs
  559. Ever17: faces were deliberately concealed except when playing the other route, and this was exploited for identity deception
  560. Remember11: faces were freely shown, even for the current narrator, and this did not affect the identity deception (which was actually really minor anyway)
  561. 999: freely showed his face, and this did not affect the identity deception
  562. VLR seems to follow Ever17 in face-revealing policies, while no identity deception has been revealed yet (despite being standard for Uchikoshi)
  563. So I'm suggesting that Sigma is actually really old, while he still thinks he's a college student
  564. Of course, this means that the other eight characters would see Sigma as the old man that he is
  565.  
  566. and I can vaguely recall that there was some point where somebody commented on him being too old, except of course the player (and Sigma) wouldn't interpret it that way
  567. They probably interpreted it as Sigma looking like he's ~30
  568. Unfortunately I have not been able to locate this scene, so I couldn't confirm this
  569. I thought it was when he was narrating his capture experience (with somebody expressing doubt that he's a college student), but that was apparently an internal monologue
  570. While trying to find that scene, I observed the CG in which the eight characters are shown in front of the Zero screen
  571. given that their faces had no details whatsoever, the absence of Sigma made no sense
  572. He should have been with the other eight, and we should have at least seen his black hair even if his face has no details like everyone else
  573. But nope, he wasn't shown there, likely because it would reveal his white hair that he himself was not aware of
  574. Even the circumstances in which he removed K's helmet was one in which no other character could observe or respond to Sigma's confusion
  575. because if anybody else saw K's face, they wouldn't see it as Sigma's face at all, so Sigma would be the only one confused
  576.  
  577. Also, I can't believe I'm using this as supporting evidence, but this would further explain Clover's repulsion towards him fooling around with her
  578. (though I'd say it would have been well-justified regardless)
  579. As I built up this theory, I realized one big contradiction
  580. which is that the old man had a distinctive eyepatch
  581. Sigma may not realize that he's old, but he should definitely notice if his vision is restricted to one eye
  582. But this is the best part
  583. Until this point, I couldn't fathom how the eyepatch could be relevant whatsoever
  584. even though it was very distinct in the Director's Office, while K's backstory flashback made sure to conceal it
  585. And now it suddenly contradicts this big theory that I had
  586. I then went down further into the meta rabbit hole
  587. The only relevance to Zero's eyepatch is to contradict the Sigma = Zero theory
  588. And I interpreted this as further confirmation of the Sigma = Zero theory
  589. Uchikoshi clearly realized that all of these hints would point to Sigma = Zero
  590. And the eyepatch doesn't seem to serve any other purpose except to discourage this theory
  591.  
  592. The fact that Uchikoshi did not provide any explicit contradiction (like actually showing Sigma's black hair in any of the CGs) makes me further convinced of Zero = Sigma
  593. As for how to explain the eyepatch: well, he lost his arms and replaced them with cybernetic arms; it's not much of a stretch for him to have an artificial eye too
  594. So yeah, my theory is that Sigma is actually an old man with white hair, an artificial eye, and cybernetic arms
  595. He is Zero, the creator of the Zero Jr AI, and of his clone K, and even of Luna to act as K's robot mother before her purpose was shifted towards the Nonary Game
  596. But he was able to find a way to hide all his memories from between December 2028 to the present
  597. And I'm not even sure if the memories of being captured are legit either
  598. (if so, then Akane captured him because she knew of the importance of Sigma having the memory of being captured; but he would soon be released and the two of them would later work together for the Nonary Game)
  599. I don't know how he was able to hide his memories from December 2028 to the present from his own self, but this could just be explained off with technological advancement
  600.  
  601. but given the supernatural nature in the amnesia for E17 Kid, R11 Satoru, and arguably 999 Seven, I imagine that Uchikoshi is gonna pull some more supernatural BS to justify Sigma's loss of memories from December 2028 onwards
  602. and maybe also for K's amnesia too
  603. in any case, deliberately erasing specific memory periods isn't too farfetched for a future ~2058 setting which already includes robots and clones
  604. with the robot being the Best Character too, so that's really impressive
  605.  
  606. > 6. Sigma - As the player can follow his thoughts, ZeroSigma only makes sense if Sigma lost his memory after beginning the game. With no indications of amnesia, as well as the general absurdity of such a scenario, Sigma is pretty clear.
  607.  
  608. (from February 15th)
  609. There are more than enough hints now to suggest that yes, Sigma did lose his memories, but only of those from December 2028 onwards. Given that the game takes place ~30 years after Sigma's memory of being captured, this scenario is not absurd at all
  610. Anyway, so that's my Sigma = Zero theory
  611. What do you think?
  612.  
  613. > (A) So the memory loss is Danganronpa style?
  614.  
  615. Yes, actually
  616. I didn't think of that
  617.  
  618. > (A) Well, it's certainly more elegant than your thoughts on Thursday night, for sure
  619. > (A) could also explain why we never hear Sigma's voice, even though we can hear all the others
  620. > (A) Still, if there was a mirror anywhere in that facility, the illusion would break so hard
  621.  
  622. And I don't think it's a coincidence that there is no mirror anywhere
  623. or a significant body of water
  624. or even any glass, actually
  625.  
  626. > (A) There was a scalpel which may be reflective
  627. > (A) There was water in the garden
  628.  
  629. > could also explain why we never hear Sigma's voice, even though we can hear all the others
  630.  
  631. I dunno if an old person could be identified by voice
  632. but it would match with the Director's Office voice, at least
  633.  
  634. > There was a scalpel which may be reflective
  635.  
  636. Too small
  637. Not a high chance that he'd look at his own reflection in it
  638.  
  639. > There was water in the garden
  640.  
  641. This I forgot about though
  642. I think the water was really shallow, so he couldn't see his reflection
  643. But I think I should revisit the Garden puzzle room regardless, and see what he says about it
  644. if he mentions his reflection, my entire theory would collapse
  645. (well, no, I'd probably come up with some BS like that it was an advanced display that shows his younger face as a reflection)
  646.  
  647. > (A) What is the motive? Why would ZeroSigma have any incentive to pull the memory trick on himself?
  648.  
  649. _it was necessary_
  650. like all of Uchikoshi's other setups
  651. This one actually makes more sense than other components though
  652. Sigma is the one going through time
  653. and is almost certainly the key to the project
  654. The events had to be clearly planned out
  655. Sigma knowing himself would likely fail to achieve the same results
  656. For one thing, the danger component would be completely eliminated
  657. and we know danger is essential for morphogenetic field access
  658. Sigma likely wouldn't be able to "jump" at all, let alone retain any memories of the jumps
  659. if he knew he was Zero and that it was all a setup (of his own design too)
  660.  
  661. > (A) I mean, why would Zero put himself in the game, rather than sit safely outside?
  662.  
  663. Because he's the one who would be able to jump through time with perfect memory
  664.  
  665. > (A) The same motive could be also given to a non-sigma zero
  666.  
  667. The non-Sigma Zero would still have to eliminate their memories of being Zero
  668. and in any case, all of the evidence points to Sigma
  669. Klim having Sigma's young face, Sigma having cybernetic arms that he has no memories of acquiring, etc
  670. Various individual circumstances also eliminate all remaining characters except Phi
  671. And even PhiZero requires her to lose her memories
  672. and she has no supporting evidence, compared to so much evidence pointing to Sigma
  673. not only on hard facts, but on meta reasoning as well
  674. SigmaZero addresses most of the pressing questions I have, without affecting any of the remaining questions
  675. I still need to figure out who the hell Phi is and why she's important, and on how this project intends to prevent the Radical-6 epidemic
  676.  
  677. And also on how Dio got the bracelet in the Alice Tree
  678. (yes, I am still convinced by the absence of both the corpse AND the knife that Akane was not killed in the Alice Tree)
  679.  
  680. Oh, yeah, while I was looking for hints on characters referring to Sigma as old
  681. I stopped specifically to read Tenmyouji interactions, since he's the other old guy
  682. and I found the scene where Tenmyouji and Quark see the lounge
  683. Tenmyouji said he would buy Quark more root beer floats
  684. and said he found some rare earth metals the other day
  685. I seriously can't believe I missed this the first time, though I guess that was still really early into the game
  686. You wouldn't refer to specific metals as being earth metals if you lived on earth and the entire civilization as you know it is on earth
  687.  
  688. So this not only confirms that the human race moved beyond earth, but also that Tenmyouji himself probably wasn't living on earth either
  689.  
  690. > (A) OR it can be metals that are rare on earth, like gold
  691.  
  692. Hmmm
  693. I dunno if it would make sense to refer to them as "rare earth metals"
  694. if Tenmyouji was living on earth and he found gold, he'd probably refer to it as just "rare metals"
  695. wouldn't make sense to qualify it with "earth" if he was living on earth, found it on earth, and it's rare on earth
  696. but if he were living on the moon or on Mars, and he found a metal that's rare on earth (and probably not naturally found in wherever he is), then it would make sense to call them "rare earth metals"
  697. Either way, it suggests that there are humans that moved outside of earth, likely in the moon or in Mars
  698. which entertains the possibility that the entire Nonary game is in the moon/Mars
  699. Actually, wait!
  700. That explains Phi's superjumps!
  701. well, okay, maybe they're not in the moon, since everybody would notice the gravity change
  702. so they're likely in Mars
  703.  
  704. > (A) K did a superjump too at the start, carrying clover
  705.  
  706. Wait, hold on
  707. K's superjump makes sense
  708. Phi's don't
  709. because I reverted my theory about Phi being from the future
  710. if Phi is from the past, she would believe she's on earth, and wouldn't be able to execute the superjump
  711. K was likely born and raised in non-Earth, so that superjump would likely seem perfectly natural to him
  712. Well, Phi still knows things that she doesn't know why she knows
  713. that might be enough to allow her to subconsciously make the superjump
  714. even if she doesn't consciously know that she could do it
  715. Everyone else that believes they're on earth, with no indications otherwise (conscious or subconscious), would be unable to perform the superjump
  716. nor would they notice the slight discrepancy in the gravitational force
  717. Tenmyouji and Quark though, I bet they can consciously execute superjumps if they wanted to
  718. (and Luna too)
  719.  
  720. There is one other thing I'm curious about
  721. So while going through Sigma's recollection of the capture
  722. He said that he recently got dumped by his girlfriend
  723. Jus a single cold email with no explanation
  724. Of course, maybe this was just to show the kind of life he was living
  725. But... K's backstory pointed out something else
  726. K's backstory indicated that Akane knew K's father when he was young, and even watched him "fall in love"
  727. Now, if Sigma = Zero, then this means Akane knew Sigma when he was young
  728. This could refer to the period after Sigma was captured, but I imagine that he wouldn't have a normal life after that point
  729. So I think this most likely refers to the period before Sigma was captured
  730. In fact, my guess is that Akane was the one who dumped him
  731. She probably pretended to be his girlfriend, under a different name, possibly to expose any openings in order to capture him
  732. She probably did something to his car too
  733.  
  734. Sigma fell in love with Akane, while she was secretly trying to devise a plan to capture him
  735. This is just speculation, and it doesn't really have any relevance in resolving any of the other mysteries
  736. But it does lead to an interesting situation with Sigma and Tenmyouji both in love with Akane
  737.  
  738. > He said that he recently got dumped by his girlfriend
  739.  
  740. (I also briefly considered if it might be Phi, but he would have certainly recognized Phi if that's the case; Akane fits better since he never really sees her when she's 20)
  741.  
  742. > (A) if that is true, there is no reason for Akane to dump him by sending a cold email
  743. > (A) She could've just revealed herself and persuaded him, since they would've worked together later
  744.  
  745. ...that's true
  746. Okay, maybe it was some random irrelevant girl
  747. but Akane was watching him from a distance
  748. Either way, it doesn't have much relevance, I think
  749.  
  750. ---
  751.  
  752. Got both passwords
  753. no story scenes
  754. The final puzzle got me thinking though
  755. If it foreshadows the outcome, then three characters will not escape
  756. Though I suppose another way to interpret it is that the Betray spammer won't get to escape early until the others get 9
  757. My guess is that Dio will be up against somebody with 11 points (Phi?)
  758. Phi and Dio will spam Betrays while the others spam Ally until they're all at 9
  759. Then Phi allies so that Dio's pair goes up to 9
  760. and they all escape
Add Comment
Please, Sign In to add comment