Fem vs Mik

GDT11 Finals
Fem vs Mik

Round 1
Fem
* Samus has mach+ projectiles, pretty good bullet timing feats, and high mobility.
* Samus does a lot of damage.
* Samus is tough
* Samus fights from afar, but as established, her physicals are still good in melee
* Wonder Woman is pretty ironclad bullet timing, is strong, tough, has a shield and slices
* Edward and all his meme tier shit
* Cannonball's stat establishment
* Edward uses telepathy to basically metagame, while Team Fem synergizes with Edward ganking enemies, Samus shooting and supressing, Diana playing a distraction role and cannonball being a nuisance
* At absolute worst, from Mik's own provided feats from earlier rounds, Team Fem = Team Mik in speed.
* Team Mik's offense, while not wholly irrelevant, is not going to be faster than Team Fem's.
* Team Fem's defense is better than Team Mik's defense

Mik
* Team Mik has precog, which is quite useful.
* Edward reading Ben's mind will gimp him from pain.
* Team Mik fast.
* Wonder Woman only has good reactions, her movement speed itself is a bit lackluster.
* Samus' actual usage of her speed could be better.
* Cannonball is actively slow.
* Team Mik has way better vertical mobility
* Team Mik has iniative
* Team Mik has ranged attacks which also utilize the fact they're wide
* Team Fem's defense to said ranged attacks aren't good.
* Team Fem has no poison resistance
* Cannonball just sucks ass
* Team Mik hits good > Team Fem takes hits
* Team Mik's defense > Team Fem's offense

Round 2
Fem
* Team Fem has imitative control
* Mik represents the disadvantages of Edward's telepathy
* Mik's presented evidence for Beetle doing what he does isn't highly represented, and even if it was true, Team Fem can intercept it
* Team Fem wins in a short brawl anyways.
* An all-out teamfight favors Team Fem
* Team Mik in-character is gonna trade blows
* Team Fem in-character is not going to trade blows
* **3/4ths of my team uses that speed in an advantageous way, and 3/4ths’ of Mik’s team does not**
* Mik sets an unreasonable standard for bullet timing
* Strode's speed sucks, Peter's speed sucks, Beetle sucks but Ben is alright but has problems with the interpretation.
* The anti-feats presented by Mik aren't anti-feats given the context or if applied to Mik's own team, wrecks them.
* Samus anti-feats have issues
* Cannonball not being fast isn't relevant
* Edward's attack basis relies on a standard that isn't explicit and if considered wrecks Mik's own team.
* Team Fem's offense > Team Mik's defense
* Team Fem's defense > Team Mik's offense

Mik
* Team Mik has intel advantage.
* Edward's telepathy is terrible and suffers from feedback loop
* A speed/initiative advantage allows my team to land and evade more hits than their opposition.
* Team Fem's defense will be left occupied given they're only shown blocking singular things when faced with AOEs or faster than bullet projectiles.
* Edward's throws don't do meaningful damage + WW's lasso isn't a win con and makes her unable to defend by requiring 2 hands
* Edward's telepathy sucks and requires concentration
* Edward's isn't as fast as presented.
* Edward's physicals suck
* Wonder Woman has some severe anti-feats with her speed
* Poison resistance is not uniform, a stance even argued by Fem previously.
* Samus' projectiles aren't mach+
* Cannonball just sucks.
* Fem made many factual errors about BB, Peter and Ben.

Round 3
Fem
* Mik threw up a ton of double standards once applied to his team, also fucks them hard.
* Perception is useless against Team Fem
* Team Mik doesn't have mobility nor execution
* A lot of the proposed weaknesses that Mik gave just won't be applicable.
* Cannonball's purpose is basically to do a stat check and to hit people hard.
* Black Beetle just sucks.
* Strode's speed has issues
* Ben and Peter have problems.
* Samus' speed is fine
* Mik's "no visually slow argument" is a two-way street and also WW speed feat dump.
* **You cannot just bullet time once and win.**
* BB just sucks.
* Team Fem's offense > Team Mik's defense

Mik
* Fem compared team Fem and team Mik despite some obvious inferiorities
* Fem's strategy isn't really feasible in the arena.
* Edward's telepathy sucks
* Team Mik isn't reliant on Edward providing them with info
* Team Mik relies on individualism that is synergistic rather than coordinated teamwork
* WW's problems
* BB is fine.
* Samus' wonky projectile speed
* Strode is fine
* Authorial intent
* Webbing speed
* Random shit
* Problems with fem's win con's

Thoughts:

First off: This album shit needs to stop. I am gonna say it foremost, abusing this stuff is actually a cancerous debate strategy and made reading this all the longer. I know Verlux is going to implement some kind of ruling against it later. Moving away from the meta though:

Fem did an amazing job with the "apply this standard of evidence to you guys", and that really harshly whacks at Mikhail's own defense. The 'whataboutism's' defense doesn't really work in my eyes when the situation is basically Fem forcing a standard of evidence be to be applied to Mik. What I will say is that while Mik did a good job of tearing into Fem's characters (I am firmly in the belief for instance that Edward's telepathy is actually useless). Ultimately however, I think I am in agreement Mik's team is more likely to do what he describes, while I think Fem's team is still better in overall strengths. Taking Kerd's previous arguments was a great move on Fem's part, as it helped hammer in that BB is kind of awful. I don't quite buy Mik's statements about Edward being useless physically, especially the "between the actions" argument, but conversely, I don't think Fem did the best job deconstructing Spider-Man speed feats, when some of them were very cleanly bullet timing imo.

So with that in mind, its a hard conclusion to make. I think the fight devolves into a brawl, which I am in the personal opinion that Fem having a stronger team ends up winning. Mik convinced me that while Cannonball was weak, Fem was able to tug it back by saying Cannonball still had a use. Comparatively, we have essentially 3 people on Team Fem that range from fine to decent, 3 people on Team Mik that were argued and defended to be the same, but Team Fem at least has a suitable distraction character, while Team Mik just has one obscenely deadweight character.

Fem wins, if barely.