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- [13:27] Wildbow 50-49.4
- [13:28] Wildbow 84% counted
- [13:44] Wildbow 49.9 to 49.5, 88% counted. Word is that the first-tme caucusers took some time to get through the process, delaying things.
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- [13:49] Wildbow 49.8 to 49.6, 89% counted.
- [13:49] Bruticus Jesus
- [13:49] Wildbow .2% difference between Clinton and Sanders, respectively.
- [13:49] Wildbow Sanders has 20 delegates to Clinton's 19, which may technically be a win, depending on how one counts it.
- [13:51] Wildbow The gap has been swiftly closing this past hour
- [13:51] Wildbow SO hard to focus on writing.
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- [14:01] Bruticus How much longer until the tally is closed?
- [14:01] tubes it's already closed
- [14:02] tubes for both i believe
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- [14:02] tubes hillary and sanders tied
- [14:02] Thalia Hahahaha
- [14:02] tubes cruz pulled ahead by 3% and they called it
- [14:02] Bruticus Is it rounded up?
- [14:02] Wildbow 90% reported for Sanders/Clinton
- [14:02] Tal Bruticus: Still 10% left to report for dems. Dunno if that's cause they still need to count or if they are just dilly dallying.
- [14:02] daensh there's still some left for the GOP one
- [14:02] tubes no
- [14:02] tubes GOP has been called
- [14:02] Wildbow Expected to reach 95% by midnight
- [14:03] Wildbow Tubes is right that GOP has been called, yes.
- [14:03] daensh 1562/1682 for the gop
- [14:03] tubes cruz, trump rubio
- [14:03] Bruticus Cruz is leading?
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- [14:03] tubes yes, he won with 3%
- [14:03] Wildbow 3.3%, yes.
- [14:03] daensh cruz with a semi-comfortable 3.3% lead
- [14:03] tubes trump and rubio like %1 apart
- [14:04] daensh rubio alarmingly close to donald
- [14:04] Wildbow 27.7 Cruz, 24.4 Trump, 23 Rubio
- [14:04] daensh rand ahead of bush
- [14:04] daensh lmao
- [14:04] tubes meanwhile jeb bush is harassing people in line at dunkin donuts for votes
- [14:04] Tal Probably good for republicans. Rubio seems like he'd have the best chances in the general.
- [14:04] tubes http://imgur.com/Jd4AWWU
- [14:04] tubes nah fam
- [14:05] daensh nah rubio would do poorly
- [14:05] tubes hillary is going to take off her person skin and use her mind control rays on everyone
- [14:05] tubes to put her lizard people overlords in power
- [14:06] daensh now endure a week of "have we hit PEAK TRUMP ?" in the NYT until NH
- [14:07] tubes yeah the trash talk is going to be significant
- [14:07] daensh im happy for sanders too, hope he does well
- [14:07] Bruticus https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/694371084410470400/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
- [14:07] daensh in the other primaries
- [14:07] Bruticus Poor Martin
- [14:07] Bruticus lol
- [14:07] Tal I hope so, daensh
- [14:07] tubes coming in second wouldn't be that bad for anyone else but trump has been selling himself a lot on winning
- [14:07] Empy Didn't he drop out?
- [14:07] tubes just the fact that he's neck and neck isn't good
- [14:07] tubes yeah he failed to get a single delegate
- [14:07] tubes he's doneskis
- [14:08] daensh i was okay with him coming second to cruz, that was sort of expected. it's rubio breathing down his neck that worries me
- [14:08] Bruticus I'm out of the loop
- [14:08] tubes i expected him to place third, but not that closely
- [14:08] daensh iowa isnt that important in the grand scheme of things, they picked santorum and huckabee in previous elections
- [14:08] Bruticus What's Rubio said?
- [14:08] daensh but the rubio part is frightening
- [14:08] Bruticus Is he nuts?
- [14:08] tubes yeah the iowa republican primary is notoriously unreliable
- [14:08] tubes Bruticus: iowa caucus m8
- [14:08] daensh rubio is the establishment guy
- [14:09] daensh hes an inoffensive dweeb
- [14:09] tubes evangelical white people who live in in a flyover state are, shockingly, not really in tune with the rest of the party
- [14:09] Tal Iowa is just important for how it affects the media spin and perception following
- [14:09] Tal Pretty much it
- [14:09] Bruticus Ah, the Harys Swyft
- [14:09] daensh iowa isnt actually majority evangelical
- [14:09] daensh biggest religion is catholic
- [14:09] tubes it's republican voters are though
- [14:09] daensh tru
- [14:10] tubes anyway, trump needs to turn his trash talk guns onto rubio
- [14:10] daensh wonder if trump will start to rail against ethanol subsidies in revenge
- [14:10] tubes jeb bush is already did, he's just hunting him for sport at this point
- [14:10] Wildbow Hillary just jumped to a .8% lead.
- [14:10] Wildbow 91% counted
- [14:11] daensh also its pretty lol how jeb has spent $25,000 for every voter so far
- [14:11] Wildbow Painful
- [14:11] daensh like, his total spending divided by the votes he got
- [14:11] daensh shouldve sent out more guac bowls
- [14:12] tubes alright enough yeb trash talk for now
- [14:12] tubes it's reminded me that i have to do my spanish hw
- [14:12] daensh lol
- [14:13] daensh https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/694369012826947584 trump concession speech
- [14:13] Tal Bow, a lot of rural counties reported apparently when that happened. Still urban counties out.
- [14:13] Wildbow nods
- [14:14] Wildbow The recent swing is apparently because so many first-time caucusers turned up and bogged down the process in certain areas
- [14:14] Wildbow So they're later to report?
- [14:14] Tal Yeah
- [14:14] Wildbow I'm used to the rural communities finishing early
- [14:14] Wildbow Made canadian election spooky at first.
- [14:14] Wildbow Then all of the conservative areas flipped, was like magic
- [14:14] Bruticus Thanks Sask
- [14:15] daensh "I think I might come here and buy a farm" lol
- [14:16] Bruticus I'm hoping for a comeback
- [14:16] daensh DNC might ron paul themselves over this
- [14:17] daensh sanders voters giving up in disgust, handing the election to GOP
- [14:17] tubes that would be really dumb
- [14:17] tubes considering it's extremely close
- [14:17] daensh if the GOP had dealt with paul civilly in 08 and 12 instead of fucking him, romney might have won
- [14:18] tubes iowa dem is a much better forecast than republican one, but it's literally a matter of inches
- [14:18] tubes throwing in the towel would be dumb as hell
- [14:18] daensh since sanders is what dems actually want, hillary is the "safe" candidate
- [14:18] tubes sanders is what dems who use the internet want
- [14:18] daensh didnt mean over iowa, i mean the DNC's conduct in general
- [14:19] tubes i haven't been following as closely but i don't think that's necessairly true
- [14:19] tubes you see a lot of bernie stuff on the internet because it's a younger demographic who likes his ideas
- [14:19] tubes but those people don't tend to turn up for voting
- [14:19] Wildbow Lower reported voting in Iowa tonight than there was in 2008
- [14:19] tubes across the board?
- [14:20] Wildbow Dem side, at least, not sure about republican
- [14:20] Tal Higher for repubs I'd expect.
- [14:20] daensh republican is a massive turnout
- [14:20] daensh which is odd, because you'd think higher turnout would benefit trump, but instead it's for cruz
- [14:21] Wildbow Contentious candidate. Scary enough to his detractors that he pushes them to vote
- [14:21] Wildbow Just like he pushes his supporters to
- [14:22] tubes not to mention the republican debates and all their various speeches have practically been a circus sideshow
- [14:22] daensh rubio's gain is from bush/kasich/carson/whoever voters who know their guy can't win, so they go for rubio
- [14:22] tubes yeah probably
- [14:23] daensh but the 1st time voters are probably mostly for cruz or trump
- [14:23] tubes well i think trump got a lot in polls from people who said they would vote for trump (if they were voting)
- [14:23] daensh a guy like rubio isnt making first time voters super enthused
- [14:23] tubes he gets name brand recognition from them, so they like him, but they were never going to vote in the first place so it doesn't actually turn out helping
- [14:24] daensh i think its more that iowa is an odd state
- [14:24] daensh scandinavian evangelicals with ethanol subsidies
- [14:24] daensh build the wall, and make iowa pay for it
- [14:25] daensh NH is next, what's after that
- [14:25] daensh nevada?
- [14:26] tubes sc i believe
- [14:26] Empy Oh, Nevada has em? I'll be taking part in that.
- [14:26] tubes texas isn't until march
- [14:26] tubes but it's the first big state so i think it's still gonna count, esp in this election
- [14:27] daensh cruz will take texas easily
- [14:29] Bruticus Apparently Clinton's already making her victory speech
- [14:29] Wildbow http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4578575/clinton-voter-fraud-polk-county-iowa-caucus
- [14:29] tubes LOL
- [14:29] tubes no way
- [14:29] Tal She apparently declared victory like half an hour ago
- [14:30] Bruticus Please Karma, smite her
- [14:32] Somecrazyguy Microsoft doing poll shit made me nervous
- [14:33] Somecrazyguy But iowa never matters for repubs anyway
- [14:33] daensh ye ms gave money to rubio i think
- [14:34] Somecrazyguy Oh look who surged to 3rd place
- [14:34] Somecrazyguy Wow pure coincidence
- [14:34] tubes it's not really that suprising
- [14:36] Nepene Mitchell county is hitting Sanders hard.
- [14:36] Wildbow Clinton makes victory speech, Sanders surges to .2 point lead.
- [14:36] Nepene Only 70%, a lot of votes, and leaning Hilary
- [14:37] Wildbow Would be so hilarious if he beat her after this. So hilairous
- [14:37] Tal Haha
- [14:37] tubes daensh: he may be the hometown boy
- [14:38] tubes but i cannot be swayed
- [14:38] Somecrazyguy Inb4 another mission accomplished moment
- [14:38] daensh lol some trump ppl i know are calling for a boycott of corn
- [14:38] Somecrazyguy Iowa pls
- [14:39] daensh "i will only eat high-fructose beet-syrup from now on"
- [14:39] tubes that's going to be rather hard considering literally everything you eat in america is corn
- [14:39] tubes and most of the things you don't
- [14:39] daensh doesnt coke taste different
- [14:40] Somecrazyguy I love that they voted for the guy that wants to get rid of their subsidies
- [14:40] Empy Coke tastes like bad choices.
- [14:40] Nepene 3 votes apart
- [14:40] tubes hillary and sanders?
- [14:41] Nepene yep
- [14:41] daensh yeah an anti ethanol guy winning iowa is a miracle enough to qualify for sainthood
- [14:44] Chime https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/417760911177162752
- [14:45] Somecrazyguy Lol chime
- [14:45] daensh reagan came second in iowa
- [14:46] Somecrazyguy Iowa hasnt picked the repub candidate in 16 years
- [14:46] Somecrazyguy About to be 20
- [14:47] tubes i'm wondering who the vice president will be
- [14:47] tubes i could see trump taking cruz but i can't see cruz taking trump
- [14:47] daensh trump would refuse VP
- [14:48] tubes that's what i would think
- [14:48] Somecrazyguy Trump would not take cruz
- [14:48] Somecrazyguy Ineligible due to birth
- [14:48] tubes lel
- [14:48] daensh cruz would take VP if offered, he's pretty young and can use it as a springboard for 2020 or 2024
- [14:48] Nepene Trump is supposed to have fairly good relationships with Cruz
- [14:49] Nepene Plus, he's an obvious backup president
- [14:49] Somecrazyguy Cruz would take chairman of the lap if it was offered
- [14:49] daensh backup for whom? the establishment hate cruz almost as much as they hate trump
- [14:49] Bruticus http://i.imgur.com/VxzVsqA.png
- [14:49] Bruticus Dem update
- [14:49] Somecrazyguy Also trump needs to take mattis so nobody dares assassinate
- [14:50] tubes he's deflon don
- [14:50] tubes teflon
- [14:50] tubes the bullets would slide off anyway
- [14:50] Nepene Trump said he'd pick his VP based on who'd be the best president if something happened
- [14:50] Nepene Cruz, given his popularity, is an obvious candidate
- [14:50] Somecrazyguy Mattis would be good
- [14:50] tubes that sounds like an "i'm gonna pick an outsider" to me
- [14:51] tubes since, "something happened" usually involves explosions
- [14:51] tubes except for the one time bush had surgery
- [14:52] daensh i really wanna see him pick "mad dog" mattis for VP
- [14:52] daensh instant veteran vote, if he doesnt have it already
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- [14:54] Somecrazyguy He does have it
- [14:54] Somecrazyguy But vets would go nuts
- [14:57] daensh ill admit im biased
- [14:57] daensh got 30 quid riding on trump winning the nomination
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- [15:00] tubes god i hope he wins
- [15:00] tubes i don't think i've ever wanted anything so much in my life
- [15:00] tubes fucking meme magic is real boys
- [15:00] daensh y e s
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- [15:00] Bruticus It would be poetic as hell
- [15:01] daensh i feel like im 9 and its christmas eve again, except christmas night lasts for months and you're not sure if the dawn will come
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- [15:12] Bruticus Apparently Cruz wouldn't shut up
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- [15:19] Tal Huh, apparently Clinton got two votes off of coin tosses, not just one, with her leading by three now.
- [15:19] Tal Kind of disturbing that it comes down to literal coin tosses.
- [15:21] Mishie
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- [17:07] Elara What's the result looking like from Iowa? Trump win, Clinton close win?
- [17:07] Wildbow Trump in 2nd place, down 3.3% below Cruz
- [17:08] Mishie nope
- [17:08] Wildbow Bernie and Hillary close enough to be a tie, Hillary won two coin flips for delegates
- [17:08] Mishie clinton won though, pretty close
- [17:08] Tal Five now actually, bow.
- [17:08] Wildbow frowns.
- [17:08] Mishie how many to bernie Tal?
- [17:08] Elara Clinton biases coins! Corruption, inside job!
- [17:08] Wildbow shakes his fist
- [17:08] Tal And apparently 90 precincts were improperly staffed and had 'missing' results
- [17:08] Elara
- [17:09] Hierophant I don't really like any of the candidates, so I'm naively going to hope that Hillary wins and seatwarms until a better candidate comes along.
- [17:09] Tal Yes, the moneyed interests clearly influencing the results there
- [17:09] Tal Darned coin flips
- [17:09] Tal Mishie: None that I know of.
- [17:09] Thalia 4 years is a long time to seatwarm
- [17:09] Mishie haaa
- [17:09] Hierophant /pol/ is now claiming that "shillary" is rigging the election
- [17:09] Mishie so she won 5/5?
- [17:09] Wildbow What are you looking for in a candidate, Heropants?
- [17:09] Elara Interesting that Cruz came in first, though I guess Iowa is pretty evangelical heavy
- [17:09] Tal Yup
- [17:09] Mishie hahahaha
- [17:10] Elara Like, Cruz-style evangelical, not Pentecostal or anything
- [17:10] Hierophant WB: Good question. I'm not too sure - am skeptical about holding strong political views at a young age, because that almost never goes well - but I know that of the current viable candidates, I'm ruling out the republicans(too misaliagned with my views) and of the democrats I don't think Bernie has it in him to handle America's economics situation.
- [17:10] Mishie So bernie lost in the state where he really needed a win.
- [17:10] Hierophant At the very least, Hillary knows her way around DC.
- [17:11] Tal Mishie, it will probably go down as a tie
- [17:11] Mishie true, but either way it's not good for him
- [17:11] Tal Eh, we'll see.
- [17:12] Hierophant Can't believe Hillary won all 5 flips
- [17:12] Hierophant that's a 1/32 chance, unless I miscalculate
- [17:12] Tal A loss of several percent would have been bad. A tie may be good enough to show people 'he can win' or whatever they need to see.
- [17:12] Mishie except he kinda lost in a state that had the kind of dems that should have gone for him
- [17:13] Wildbow Situation is with the delegates/superdelegates and the convention this summer. Hillary already has so many lined up. Her getting five of the coin flips is hard to recover from.
- [17:14] Wildbow I'm a big Bernie supporter - I think he's genuine and decent in a way other candidates aren't. But it looks like a very uphill battle - more than it was before tonight.
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- [17:14] Hierophant I can't believe American democracy is coming down to friggin' coin flips
- [17:14] Tal Yeeeahh
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