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[13:27]	Wildbow	50-49.4
[13:28]	Wildbow	84% counted
[13:44]	Wildbow	49.9 to 49.5, 88% counted.  Word is that the first-tme caucusers took some time to get through the process, delaying things.
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[13:49]	Wildbow	49.8 to 49.6, 89% counted.
[13:49]	Bruticus	Jesus
[13:49]	Wildbow	.2% difference between Clinton and Sanders, respectively.
[13:49]	Wildbow	Sanders has 20 delegates to Clinton's 19, which may technically be a win, depending on how one counts it.
[13:51]	Wildbow	The gap has been swiftly closing this past hour
[13:51]	Wildbow	SO hard to focus on writing.
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[13:57]	tubes	T R U M P
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[14:01]	Bruticus	How much longer until the tally is closed?
[14:01]	tubes	it's already closed
[14:02]	tubes	for both i believe
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[14:02]	tubes	hillary and sanders tied
[14:02]	Thalia	Hahahaha
[14:02]	tubes	cruz pulled ahead by 3% and they called it
[14:02]	Bruticus	Is it rounded up?
[14:02]	Wildbow	90% reported for Sanders/Clinton
[14:02]	Tal	Bruticus: Still 10% left to report for dems.  Dunno if that's cause they still need to count or if they are just dilly dallying.
[14:02]	daensh	there's still some left for the GOP one
[14:02]	tubes	no
[14:02]	tubes	GOP has been called
[14:02]	Wildbow	Expected to reach 95% by midnight
[14:03]	Wildbow	Tubes is right that GOP has been called, yes.
[14:03]	daensh	1562/1682 for the gop
[14:03]	tubes	cruz, trump rubio
[14:03]	Bruticus	Cruz is leading?
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[14:03]	tubes	yes, he won with 3%
[14:03]	Wildbow	3.3%, yes.
[14:03]	daensh	cruz with a semi-comfortable 3.3% lead
[14:03]	tubes	trump and rubio like %1 apart
[14:04]	daensh	rubio alarmingly close to donald
[14:04]	Wildbow	27.7 Cruz, 24.4 Trump, 23 Rubio
[14:04]	daensh	rand ahead of bush
[14:04]	daensh	lmao
[14:04]	tubes	meanwhile jeb bush is harassing people in line at dunkin donuts for votes
[14:04]	Tal	Probably good for republicans.   Rubio seems like he'd have the best chances in the general.
[14:04]	tubes	http://imgur.com/Jd4AWWU
[14:04]	tubes	nah fam
[14:05]	daensh	nah rubio would do poorly
[14:05]	tubes	hillary is going to take off her person skin and use her mind control rays on everyone
[14:05]	tubes	to put her lizard people overlords in power
[14:06]	daensh	now endure a week of "have we hit PEAK TRUMP ?" in the NYT until NH
[14:07]	tubes	yeah the trash talk is going to be significant
[14:07]	daensh	im happy for sanders too, hope he does well
[14:07]	Bruticus	https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/694371084410470400/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
[14:07]	daensh	in the other primaries
[14:07]	Bruticus	Poor Martin
[14:07]	Bruticus	lol
[14:07]	Tal	I hope so, daensh
[14:07]	tubes	coming in second wouldn't be that bad for anyone else but trump has been selling himself a lot on winning
[14:07]	Empy	Didn't he drop out?
[14:07]	tubes	just the fact that he's neck and neck isn't good
[14:07]	tubes	yeah he failed to get a single delegate
[14:07]	tubes	he's doneskis
[14:08]	daensh	i was okay with him coming second to cruz, that was sort of expected. it's rubio breathing down his neck that worries me
[14:08]	Bruticus	I'm out of the loop
[14:08]	tubes	i expected him to place third, but not that closely
[14:08]	daensh	iowa isnt that important in the grand scheme of things, they picked santorum and huckabee in previous elections
[14:08]	Bruticus	What's Rubio said?
[14:08]	daensh	but the rubio part is frightening
[14:08]	Bruticus	Is he nuts?
[14:08]	tubes	yeah the iowa republican primary is notoriously unreliable
[14:08]	tubes	Bruticus: iowa caucus m8
[14:08]	daensh	rubio is the establishment guy
[14:09]	daensh	hes an inoffensive dweeb
[14:09]	tubes	evangelical white people who live in in a flyover state are, shockingly, not really in tune with the rest of the party
[14:09]	Tal	Iowa is just important for how it affects the media spin and perception following
[14:09]	Tal	Pretty much it
[14:09]	Bruticus	Ah, the Harys Swyft 
[14:09]	daensh	iowa isnt actually majority evangelical
[14:09]	daensh	biggest religion is catholic
[14:09]	tubes	it's republican voters are though
[14:09]	daensh	tru
[14:10]	tubes	anyway, trump needs to turn his trash talk guns onto rubio
[14:10]	daensh	wonder if trump will start to rail against ethanol subsidies in revenge
[14:10]	tubes	jeb bush is already did, he's just hunting him for sport at this point
[14:10]	Wildbow	Hillary just jumped to a .8% lead.
[14:10]	Wildbow	91% counted
[14:11]	daensh	also its pretty lol how jeb has spent $25,000 for every voter so far
[14:11]	Wildbow	Painful
[14:11]	daensh	like, his total spending divided by the votes he got
[14:11]	daensh	shouldve sent out more guac bowls
[14:12]	tubes	alright enough yeb trash talk for now
[14:12]	tubes	it's reminded me that i have to do my spanish hw
[14:12]	daensh	lol
[14:13]	daensh	https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/694369012826947584 trump concession speech
[14:13]	Tal	Bow, a lot of rural counties reported apparently when that happened.  Still urban counties out.
[14:13]	Wildbow	nods
[14:14]	Wildbow	The recent swing is apparently because so many first-time caucusers turned up and bogged down the process in certain areas
[14:14]	Wildbow	So they're later to report?
[14:14]	Tal	Yeah
[14:14]	Wildbow	I'm used to the rural communities finishing early
[14:14]	Wildbow	Made canadian election spooky at first.
[14:14]	Wildbow	Then all of the conservative areas flipped, was like magic
[14:14]	Bruticus	Thanks Sask
[14:15]	daensh	"I think I might come here and buy a farm" lol
[14:16]	Bruticus	I'm hoping for a comeback
[14:16]	daensh	DNC might ron paul themselves over this
[14:17]	daensh	sanders voters giving up in disgust, handing the election to GOP
[14:17]	tubes	that would be really dumb
[14:17]	tubes	considering it's extremely close
[14:17]	daensh	if the GOP had dealt with paul civilly in 08 and 12 instead of fucking him, romney might have won
[14:18]	tubes	iowa dem is a much better forecast than republican one, but it's literally a matter of inches
[14:18]	tubes	throwing in the towel would be dumb as hell
[14:18]	daensh	since sanders is what dems actually want, hillary is the "safe" candidate
[14:18]	tubes	sanders is what dems who use the internet want
[14:18]	daensh	didnt mean over iowa, i mean the DNC's conduct in general
[14:19]	tubes	i haven't been following as closely but i don't think that's necessairly true
[14:19]	tubes	you see a lot of bernie stuff on the internet because it's a younger demographic who likes his ideas
[14:19]	tubes	but those people don't tend to turn up for voting
[14:19]	Wildbow	Lower reported voting in Iowa tonight than there was in 2008
[14:19]	tubes	across the board?
[14:20]	Wildbow	Dem side, at least, not sure about republican
[14:20]	Tal	Higher for repubs I'd expect.
[14:20]	daensh	republican is a massive turnout
[14:20]	daensh	which is odd, because you'd think higher turnout would benefit trump, but instead it's for cruz
[14:21]	Wildbow	Contentious candidate.  Scary enough to his detractors that he pushes them to vote
[14:21]	Wildbow	Just like he pushes his supporters to
[14:22]	tubes	not to mention the republican debates and all their various speeches have practically been a circus sideshow
[14:22]	daensh	rubio's gain is from bush/kasich/carson/whoever voters who know their guy can't win, so they go for rubio
[14:22]	tubes	yeah probably
[14:23]	daensh	but the 1st time voters are probably mostly for cruz or trump
[14:23]	tubes	well i think trump got a lot in polls from people who said they would vote for trump (if they were voting)
[14:23]	daensh	a guy like rubio isnt making first time voters super enthused
[14:23]	tubes	he gets name brand recognition from them, so they like him, but they were never going to vote in the first place so it doesn't actually turn out helping
[14:24]	daensh	i think its more that iowa is an odd state
[14:24]	daensh	scandinavian evangelicals with ethanol subsidies
[14:24]	daensh	build the wall, and make iowa pay for it
[14:25]	daensh	NH is next, what's after that
[14:25]	daensh	nevada?
[14:26]	tubes	sc i believe
[14:26]	Empy	Oh, Nevada has em? I'll be taking part in that.
[14:26]	tubes	texas isn't until march
[14:26]	tubes	but it's the first big state so i think it's still gonna count, esp in this election
[14:27]	daensh	cruz will take texas easily
[14:29]	Bruticus	Apparently Clinton's already making her victory speech
[14:29]	Wildbow	http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4578575/clinton-voter-fraud-polk-county-iowa-caucus
[14:29]	tubes	LOL
[14:29]	tubes	no way
[14:29]	Tal	She apparently declared victory like half an hour ago
[14:30]	Bruticus	Please Karma, smite her 
[14:32]	Somecrazyguy	Microsoft doing poll shit made me nervous
[14:33]	Somecrazyguy	But iowa never matters for repubs anyway
[14:33]	daensh	ye ms gave money to rubio i think
[14:34]	Somecrazyguy	Oh look who surged to 3rd place
[14:34]	Somecrazyguy	Wow pure coincidence
[14:34]	tubes	it's not really that suprising
[14:36]	Nepene	Mitchell county is hitting Sanders hard.
[14:36]	Wildbow	Clinton makes  victory speech, Sanders surges to .2 point lead.
[14:36]	Nepene	Only 70%, a lot of votes, and leaning Hilary
[14:37]	Wildbow	Would be so hilarious if he beat her after this.  So hilairous
[14:37]	Tal	Haha
[14:37]	tubes	daensh: he may be the hometown boy
[14:38]	tubes	but i cannot be swayed
[14:38]	Somecrazyguy	Inb4 another mission accomplished moment
[14:38]	daensh	lol some trump ppl i know are calling for a boycott of corn
[14:38]	Somecrazyguy	Iowa pls
[14:39]	daensh	"i will only eat high-fructose beet-syrup from now on"
[14:39]	tubes	that's going to be rather hard considering literally everything you eat in america is corn
[14:39]	tubes	and most of the things you don't
[14:39]	daensh	doesnt coke taste different
[14:40]	Somecrazyguy	I love that they voted for the guy that wants to get rid of their subsidies
[14:40]	Empy	Coke tastes like bad choices.
[14:40]	Nepene	3 votes apart
[14:40]	tubes	hillary and sanders?
[14:41]	Nepene	yep
[14:41]	daensh	yeah an anti ethanol guy winning iowa is a miracle enough to qualify for sainthood
[14:44]	Chime	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/417760911177162752
[14:45]	Somecrazyguy	Lol chime
[14:45]	daensh	reagan came second in iowa
[14:46]	Somecrazyguy	Iowa hasnt picked the repub candidate in 16 years
[14:46]	Somecrazyguy	About to be 20
[14:47]	tubes	i'm wondering who the vice president will be
[14:47]	tubes	i could see trump taking cruz but i can't see cruz taking trump
[14:47]	daensh	trump would refuse VP
[14:48]	tubes	that's what i would think
[14:48]	Somecrazyguy	Trump would not take cruz
[14:48]	Somecrazyguy	Ineligible due to birth
[14:48]	tubes	lel
[14:48]	daensh	cruz would take VP if offered, he's pretty young and can use it as a springboard for 2020 or 2024
[14:48]	Nepene	Trump is supposed to have fairly good relationships with Cruz
[14:49]	Nepene	Plus, he's an obvious backup president
[14:49]	Somecrazyguy	Cruz would take chairman of the lap if it was offered
[14:49]	daensh	backup for whom? the establishment hate cruz almost as much as they hate trump
[14:49]	Bruticus	http://i.imgur.com/VxzVsqA.png
[14:49]	Bruticus	Dem update
[14:49]	Somecrazyguy	Also trump needs to take mattis so nobody dares assassinate
[14:50]	tubes	he's deflon don
[14:50]	tubes	teflon
[14:50]	tubes	the bullets would slide off anyway
[14:50]	Nepene	Trump said he'd pick his VP based on who'd be the best president if something happened
[14:50]	Nepene	Cruz, given his popularity, is an obvious candidate
[14:50]	Somecrazyguy	Mattis would be good
[14:50]	tubes	that sounds like an "i'm gonna pick an outsider" to me
[14:51]	tubes	since, "something happened" usually involves explosions
[14:51]	tubes	except for the one time bush had surgery
[14:52]	daensh	i really wanna see him pick "mad dog" mattis for VP
[14:52]	daensh	instant veteran vote, if he doesnt have it already
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[14:54]	Somecrazyguy	He does have it
[14:54]	Somecrazyguy	But vets would go nuts
[14:57]	daensh	ill admit im biased
[14:57]	daensh	got 30 quid riding on trump winning the nomination
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[15:00]	tubes	god i hope he wins
[15:00]	tubes	i don't think i've ever wanted anything so much in my life
[15:00]	tubes	fucking meme magic is real boys
[15:00]	daensh	y e s
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[15:00]	Bruticus	It would be poetic as hell
[15:01]	daensh	i feel like im 9 and its christmas eve again, except christmas night lasts for months and you're not sure if the dawn will come
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[15:12]	Bruticus	Apparently Cruz wouldn't shut up
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[15:19]	Tal	Huh, apparently Clinton got two votes off of coin tosses, not just one, with her leading by three now.
[15:19]	Tal	Kind of disturbing that it comes down to literal coin tosses.
[15:21]	Mishie	
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[17:07]	Elara	What's the result looking like from Iowa? Trump win, Clinton close win?
[17:07]	Wildbow	Trump in 2nd place, down 3.3% below Cruz
[17:08]	Mishie	nope
[17:08]	Wildbow	Bernie and Hillary close enough to be a tie, Hillary won two coin flips for delegates
[17:08]	Mishie	clinton won though, pretty close
[17:08]	Tal	Five now actually, bow.
[17:08]	Wildbow	frowns.
[17:08]	Mishie	how many to bernie Tal?
[17:08]	Elara	Clinton biases coins! Corruption, inside job!
[17:08]	Wildbow	shakes his fist
[17:08]	Tal	And apparently 90 precincts were improperly staffed and had 'missing' results
[17:08]	Elara	
[17:09]	Hierophant	I don't really like any of the candidates, so I'm naively going to hope that Hillary wins and seatwarms until a better candidate comes along.
[17:09]	Tal	Yes, the moneyed interests clearly influencing the results there
[17:09]	Tal	Darned coin flips
[17:09]	Tal	Mishie: None that I know of.
[17:09]	Thalia	4 years is a long time to seatwarm
[17:09]	Mishie	haaa
[17:09]	Hierophant	 /pol/ is now claiming that "shillary" is rigging the election
[17:09]	Mishie	so she won 5/5?
[17:09]	Wildbow	What are you looking for in a candidate, Heropants?
[17:09]	Elara	Interesting that Cruz came in first, though I guess Iowa is pretty evangelical heavy
[17:09]	Tal	Yup
[17:09]	Mishie	hahahaha
[17:10]	Elara	Like, Cruz-style evangelical, not Pentecostal or anything
[17:10]	Hierophant	WB: Good question. I'm not too sure - am skeptical about holding strong political views at a young age, because that almost never goes well - but I know that of the current viable candidates, I'm ruling out the republicans(too misaliagned with my views) and of the democrats I don't think Bernie has it in him to handle America's economics situation.
[17:10]	Mishie	So bernie lost in the state where he really needed a win.
[17:10]	Hierophant	At the very least, Hillary knows her way around DC.
[17:11]	Tal	Mishie, it will probably go down as a tie
[17:11]	Mishie	true, but either way it's not good for him
[17:11]	Tal	Eh, we'll see.
[17:12]	Hierophant	Can't believe Hillary won all 5 flips
[17:12]	Hierophant	that's a 1/32 chance, unless I miscalculate
[17:12]	Tal	A loss of several percent would have been bad.  A tie may be good enough to show people 'he can win' or whatever they need to see.
[17:12]	Mishie	except he kinda lost in a state that had the kind of dems that should have gone for him
[17:13]	Wildbow	Situation is with the delegates/superdelegates and the convention this summer.  Hillary already has so many lined up.  Her getting five of the coin flips is hard to recover from.
[17:14]	Wildbow	I'm a big Bernie supporter - I think he's genuine and decent in a way other candidates aren't.  But it looks like a very uphill battle - more than it was before tonight.
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[17:14]	Hierophant	I can't believe American democracy is coming down to friggin' coin flips
[17:14]	Tal	Yeeeahh