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  1. (28.10.2015 12:13:22) nour_samy@fcon.us/android9vbAbDl1: Hello sir, i know you're at work :) Pm me when you can please, got a thing to discuss with you
  2. (29.10.2015 20:06:04) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Hello sir
  3. (20:06:10) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: o7
  4. (20:06:22) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: whats on?
  5. (20:06:25) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Are you free to talk ?
  6. (20:06:36) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: yes a bit, just write
  7. (20:08:26) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: As you may have seen the post I've made about hurricanes, wether armor or shield. I would like to discuss the fits for shield with you, specifically the sleipneir
  8. (20:08:47) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Moving it to shield will mean people already have the same logi/recons, and leaves the armor doctrine for something that is heavier than hurricanes
  9. (20:09:10) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Not to mention the clear advantage to carrying out a sleipneir fleet in FCON, and what it would do to our pilot Morale
  10. (20:09:50) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i prefer shield, most are skilled for shield and its more easier to handle
  11. (20:10:00) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Mhm
  12. (20:10:05) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: yellowboxed, broadcast, reps on
  13. (20:10:16) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Armor canes are not forgiving
  14. (20:10:18) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: armor is yellowboxed, broadcast, rep 1 cyle later, down
  15. (20:10:23) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: You either fly it right or you die
  16. (20:11:03) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Which is not necesarily a bad thing, but its not something FCON pilots are used to
  17. (20:11:21) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I stll think we need something like that, but priorities right now is to have something that works in smaller numbers.
  18. (20:11:27) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Would you like to see the shield fits ?
  19. (20:12:21) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: you can link em but im not the pro on fittings
  20. (20:13:41) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I will likely be switching my canes to shield and bringing sleipneirs for handout, just waiting a couple of days before I decide finally
  21. (20:14:20) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: [Sleipnir, Sleipnir]
  22. Damage Control II
  23. Gyrostabilizer II
  24. Gyrostabilizer II
  25. Gyrostabilizer II
  26. Tracking Enhancer II
  27.  
  28. Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
  29. 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
  30. Kinetic Deflection Field II
  31. Large Shield Extender II
  32. Large Shield Extender II
  33.  
  34. Small 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
  35. Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
  36. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  37. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  38. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  39. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  40. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  41.  
  42. Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
  43. Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
  44.  
  45.  
  46. Acolyte II x5
  47.  
  48. Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M x100
  49.  
  50. (20:14:32) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: [Hurricane Fleet Issue, Hurricane Fleet Issue]
  51. Damage Control II
  52. Gyrostabilizer II
  53. Gyrostabilizer II
  54. Gyrostabilizer II
  55. Tracking Enhancer II
  56. Tracking Enhancer II
  57.  
  58. Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
  59. 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
  60. Large Shield Extender II
  61. EM Ward Field II
  62.  
  63. Small 'Notos' Explosive Charge I
  64. Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
  65. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  66. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  67. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  68. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  69. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  70. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  71.  
  72. Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
  73. Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
  74. Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
  75.  
  76.  
  77. Acolyte II x5
  78. Warrior II x5
  79.  
  80. Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M x120
  81.  
  82. (20:14:38) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: [Hurricane, Hurricane]
  83. Damage Control II
  84. Gyrostabilizer II
  85. Gyrostabilizer II
  86. Gyrostabilizer II
  87. Reactor Control Unit II
  88. Tracking Enhancer II
  89.  
  90. Large Shield Extender II
  91. 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
  92. Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
  93. EM Ward Field II
  94.  
  95. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  96. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  97. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  98. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  99. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  100. 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
  101.  
  102. Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
  103. Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
  104. Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
  105.  
  106.  
  107. Acolyte II x5
  108. Warrior II x3
  109.  
  110. Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M x120
  111.  
  112. (20:14:45) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Prefrence would be sleipneir>HFI>Cane
  113. (20:15:00) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Sleipneir is 350mil in jita, 250 for HFI, and ~110 for the normal cane
  114. (20:15:15) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: for the sleipneirs my corp can build those easy so market supply and fluctations is not a problem
  115. (20:16:12) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I will let you know when/if I do the switch to shield so we can remove the armor canes and stuff from the SRP web page
  116. (20:16:30) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I'll still handout logi for those that don't want to use their own, Would this still get 50% srp ?
  117. (20:16:55) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: you talked to xpred about?
  118. (20:17:13) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I tried. He's adamant that FCON is too noob for sleipneirs.
  119. (20:17:31) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: ALthough we have 35ish pilots that can fly them in EU, and more than 50 that can fly them within 2 months
  120. (20:17:55) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: https://forums.fcon.us/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3992
  121. (20:18:12) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Pretty much tells you all you need to know about what Pred thinks of my fleets, ideas and fittings.
  122. (20:18:32) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i saw that polls
  123. (20:19:33) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: His replies. AAlso someone mentioned that Xpred was talking shit about me and my fittings to a 100 man fleet a couple of days ago, not to mention inalliance chat yesterday he acted like a child to try to make me look bad. Kept linking random fits in alliance saying "Pretending to be Nour Samy for a few minutes"
  124. (20:21:11) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i dont think that he tries to make you look bad, when i talk with him about you he never did bzw
  125. (20:21:36) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I call it as I see it Torx. There's no other way to interpret actions like those.
  126. (20:22:03) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i think that you are a bit to impetuous, a bit to fast for everything
  127. (20:22:27) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Maybe. I'm slowing down, I realize that. Does not justify actions like these.
  128. (20:23:39) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: what i can do for you is following. i can link that fits to srp team and we will discuss em and maybe it will be same like your hurricane fleet
  129. (20:23:55) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: what i prefer is different
  130. (20:24:19) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i wanna have official doctrines without any discussions how to srp and why to srp and why not etc
  131. (20:25:10) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I want the same. i do not enjoy having to do everything humanly possible to get something through without involving skyteam. However, now that Yhonny is back he does like the sleips, I will try to stay up and find him to talk to him about him proposing them.
  132. (20:28:23) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i like sleips too and i liked your hurricane fleet, one positive: you didnt loose that much - good for testing and i think they should be approved to an official doctrine. But thats on skyteam/ FCteam, not on me or srp team
  133. (20:28:49) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: We haven't gotten a real fight yet unfortunatly, all the losses were random lemmings getting caught on gates :(
  134. (20:29:06) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: as allways
  135. (20:29:32) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: They were quite effective at DPSing poses though
  136. (20:29:46) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: However, I don't think having shield AND armor hurricanes would be too good of an idea
  137. (20:29:56) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Too many ships for pilots and might be confusing for line members
  138. (20:30:08) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: i agree and again, i prefer shield
  139. (20:30:29) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Mhm, for the alliance right now I prefer shield too, give us the option for sleips.
  140. (20:30:44) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Armor should be something bigger and tankier than hurricanes
  141. (20:30:47) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: preferably with more ewar
  142. (20:30:59) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I have a soft spot for armor rattlesnakes but that's a topic for later :)
  143. (20:31:10) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: oh my g...
  144. (20:31:12) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: :D
  145. (20:31:31) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Believe it or not, 224k ehp, 750dps, 4 damps, sebo, prop mod and Tp
  146. (20:31:36) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: less than 400mil cost
  147. (20:31:43) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: armor is not easy to handle, our pilots are "oh yellowboxed, i need rep asap". armor isnt that way
  148. (20:31:49) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Yep.
  149. (20:32:10) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: most broadcasts are to late, tooooo late for armor
  150. (20:32:55) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: can you plz send the fits via pm on forum to me?
  151. (20:34:03) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: We're not doing the change yet, and I'll ask Yhonny to propose the fits. They're more likely to listen to him than to me
  152. (20:36:01) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: just talk to xpred, again i dont think that theres any negative about your
  153. (20:36:03) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: you
  154. (20:39:16) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: May I ask for something ? I need public support for the shield canes/sleips if I'm to make this happen
  155. (20:39:18) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Can you help ?
  156. (20:39:27) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: maybe
  157. (20:39:33) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: sure
  158. (20:39:52) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: You're going to post on the forums ?
  159. (20:40:12) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: and btw: goons also have a official shield hurricane doctrine
  160. (20:40:49) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I know, fit I plan on using is a bit different, more alpha or tracking, can't rememeber which, and slower, but gets better ehp, no em gap, and fits better with HFIs, sleipneirs
  161. (20:42:33) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: You're going to post on the forums then ?
  162. (20:44:07) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: ill reread them and ill add a coment
  163. (20:45:37) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I don't mean to be pushy, but I need clear support so pred doesn't just shut me down.
  164. (20:45:55) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: im reading :P
  165. (20:47:23) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: won't let me pm you the fits :3
  166. (20:47:50) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: hmn i will not read all, read site 1-3, enough for me and youll get a positive feedback
  167. (20:48:12) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Okay, thank you.
  168. (20:48:18) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: How do you want me to send the fits ?
  169. (20:48:38) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Oh they got sent, they jsut didn't show that for me :p
  170. (20:48:39) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: send em ingame or on skype?
  171. (20:48:40) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: sent them twice
  172. (20:48:44) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: lol
  173. (20:48:44) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Sorry :p
  174. (20:49:07) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Well, now that you have the fits, what then ? I'll confirm these are the final fits now too
  175. (20:51:29) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Currently, those are the final fits, might do one or two minor changes before release, but I think those are about as refined as they can be right now I think
  176. (20:57:42) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: When you get a chance : http://pastebin.com/6z4JFZNK This happened in FC chat earlier today. Pred is wanting any excuse to shut me down, its why I'm asking for public support, so thank you very much sir. Really helps
  177. (21:06:28) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: wtf, i read anything but i dont understand
  178. (21:07:40) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: What do you mean ? I'll try to explain as much as I can. but basically, what I see and understand is a lot of hypocrocy and just hating for the sake of hating :3
  179. (21:25:41) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Torx ?
  180. (21:40:29) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I'm worried now :P
  181. (22:01:23) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: ok i did a small response
  182. (22:01:40) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: what i suggest to you is not to use your handouts for stratops
  183. (22:02:45) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I will use them less for sure. That is one point people were right about, at least in part.
  184. (22:03:10) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I'm not sure that really supported me very much though :3 But its something I guess
  185. (22:03:14) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Thank you :)
  186. (22:03:18) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Keeps it neutral and balanced
  187. (22:04:11) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Reason I did it on handout is because skyteam would not support it or anything else.
  188. (22:04:19) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Everything got refused. Everything that wasn't Pred's idea.
  189. (22:04:38) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: dont think so, think its the armor part
  190. (22:04:54) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: youve had better chances on shield from beginning on
  191. (22:05:11) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Perhaps, I doubt he will support it even now.
  192. (22:05:16) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: armorcane is a paper plane
  193. (22:05:26) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: ill have a talk to him about at weekend
  194. (22:05:46) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Shield cane/HFI/Sleip ?
  195. (22:05:49) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Emphasising the sleip ?
  196. (22:07:37) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: shield cane 1st, then sleip
  197. (22:08:26) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Sleip must come with shield canes, At least I'll do them on handout for those that can fly them till Pred gets it through his head that we can use them
  198. (22:08:53) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: cane and HFI ?
  199. (22:08:57) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: or just T1 cane ?
  200. (22:09:12) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: hmn...
  201. (22:09:20) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: like both
  202. (22:10:18) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: just keep it as cheap as possible
  203. (22:10:25) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: but i like that HFI
  204. (22:10:26) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Just T2 rigs, T2 fittings
  205. (22:10:32) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: no faction modules at all
  206. (22:10:34) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: will think about
  207. (22:10:34) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: they don't need them
  208. (22:10:53) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Optimally, its sleip for those that can fly them, and HFI for those that can't
  209. (22:11:23) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: sleip is 137k ehp, HFI is 107k ehp, HFI can keep up with sleip, gets 100 less dps, and 1-2k less alpha
  210. (22:11:39) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: ill think about saturday, have to go offfline now but i know what you mean
  211. (22:11:48) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Okay, let me know please
  212. (22:11:49) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Thank you
  213. (22:11:55) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: sure
  214. (22:12:09) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: theres no way to save this convo, damn jabber
  215. (22:12:23) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: I can, send it you by PM ?
  216. (22:12:28) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Pastebin is wonderful :P
  217. (22:12:32) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: ALl of it or just bits ?
  218. (22:12:37) torx_sigma@fcon.us/ba3bf29b: pastbin, mom
  219. (22:12:53) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: Why might I ask ?
  220. (22:13:04) nour_samy@fcon.us/159322f6: http://pastebin.com/NpVFJL73
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