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[FC]<Yosh Bosh> ya idk taking those mines with cds is probably as much healing if not more on the alex busters
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> triggernometry OP
[FC]<Battle Litany> i mean
[FC]<Battle Litany> u need to use dm and shadow wall and u take like 150k damage with constant autos
[FC]<Battle Litany> they were saying its like 5 healer gcds? lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> the cleave is probably as much dmg maybe even more
[FC]<Battle Litany> yeah but u have every cd
[FC]<Battle Litany> and ur not getting autod
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> lena has every cd
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> yes u are
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> damn i wanna c a drk stream and take damage from that buster fuck
[FC]<Battle Litany> just watch stal's clear
[FC]<Battle Litany> they do the shared last one
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> im trying to find the damage from when u invuln it
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> so a holmgang + ld would work
[FC]<Battle Litany> idk the damage with every cd in the game doesnt look too bad
[FC]<Battle Litany> and its way more controlled
[FC]<Battle Litany> in brute chaser two tanks are getting ripped apart, theres nisis running around and u gotta do enumeration
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> again, thats not really for u to say its for mike and sullus to say
[FC]<Battle Litany> yeah
[FC]<Battle Litany> ask them
[FC]<Battle Litany> but im just surprised u think
[FC]<Battle Litany> invulvning alex is better
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> idk im saying its the same
[FC]<Yung Vergil> dps should focus on dps things
[FC]<Battle Litany> well
[FC]<Battle Litany> ive been autod to death like 3 times
[FC]<Battle Litany> lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> ur just a dumb dps
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> healers need to prog too
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> lol
[FC]<Battle Litany> i actually thought lena was getting hit by aoes
[FC]<Battle Litany> dude
[FC]<Battle Litany> im so sick of this shit
[FC]<Battle Litany> if ur actually being serious i will stop
[FC]<Battle Litany> ever asking for anything
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Imma just end with this then, if u think i'm really not willing to compromise I wouldnt be playing with alkaid
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> lol
[FC]<Yung Vergil> gotta trust your teammates trick
[FC]<Battle Litany> then why are u shutting me down
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> stating my opinions =/= shutting u down tho
[FC]<Battle Litany> im a dumb dps
[FC]<Yung Vergil> i don't care what my tanks and healers do. I have faith that they'll figure it out
[FC]<Battle Litany> let the tanks figure it out
[FC]<Battle Litany> got it dude
[FC]<Yung Vergil> yeah exactly
[FC]<Yung Vergil> like actually
[FC]<Yung Vergil> that's what you should do
[FC]<Battle Litany> ur right
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Ur not the only one progging is what im saying
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> no, i disagree, if there's a problem should bring it up
[FC]<Battle Litany> no
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> maybe he's missing some part of the picture
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> but should ask the healers about it too
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Yeah and he did bring it up
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> and the healers zone in on it
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> but hes not giving them a chance to adjust
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> like while u were on ur business call trick
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> yeah but did the healers themselves say hey we're still aadjusting
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> or are you just assuming they are zoning in on it
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> we didnt get to pull anymore after that
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> we spend 15 minutse after raid
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> talking about it
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> so they didnt even get a chance to do it lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> so its all premature
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> is why
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> they talked about every single adjustment to be made after raid while u were ina  phonecall trick
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> idk
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> i mean, he just brough it up right? if that's the last pull of the night then might as well talk about it
[FC]<Yung Vergil> what yosh is saying is that they did
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> We did, this is new
[FC]<Yung Vergil> while trick was away
[FC]<Yung Vergil> and what trick is bringing up is new, without having been in the discussion previously
[FC]<Battle Litany> i mean ur right
[FC]<Battle Litany> im tired of discussing anything
[FC]<Battle Litany> so im going to stop
[FC]<Battle Litany> and just do my job
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> then yeah he was obviously missing something, it's not like he shouldn't bring up something the tanks can do better if he notices it
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> and if you guys have already talked about it, why not just say that instead of blwoing him up lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> scrolling up i dont think i was ever in a blowy-uppy territory
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Like, the thing is I never said I wouldn't do it, I just think its the same
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> he already stated he was frustrated with you guys shutting him down and the two of you responded by telling him he was a dumb dps and not to ever bring up anything for tanks to improve on
[FC]<Yung Vergil> no that's not the context
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> i mean u can scroll up, I never said anything like that, to throw peter under the bus he did, im just saying to have a dicussion like this without related parties
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> is unfair
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> is all
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> yeah that is true, but it could have just ended with 'yeah lets ask everyone later' but from my point of view it just looks like you guys kept raggin on him
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> nvm ik fake news
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> LOL
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> im*
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> idk maybe trick doesn't care, but that's just from my prespective
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> and from what he was saying, it really did look like he was frustated with what you guys were telling him
[FC]<Yung Vergil> my point was that as a dps, you gotta trust your tanks/healers at times. you can make suggestions, but you gotta remember that they're progging too, and to say certain things without having the perspective of what they're doing in that moment is overstepping a bit. especially when the tanks and healers haven't had a chance to try out what's new. input is good, but arguing in a fashion that you know what's better than your tanks/healers is a bit much imo
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> yeah i agree, but again, this could've been much better handled if instead of berating him just end this whole convo with 'yeah lets talk to the raid about it later'
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> instead now you just have a guy who might be frustrated in your prog
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> IDK from my POV i never shut down the idea
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> and worse yet, if they stop bringing suggestions all together
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> my key points were
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> This is about the same, probably
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> if not more
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> trick responds im suprised u think invulning it is better
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> i mean idk what u want more from that
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> thats like a big blow up from my point to his lol
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> idk, i think your response to it was perfectly fine
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> just ask the healers about it
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> done
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Yeah, I just said it wasnt his position to say what was better or not
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> but w/e I dont mind doing either strat either way
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> i guess its really just up to trick if hes taking this badly or not
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> just don't want you guys progging with some bad blood goin on
[FC]<Yung Vergil> he'll be fine
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> no inputs always appreciated
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> trick could be right, idk we're not even there yet I can literally shift all my cds to tank lightning and it would be ok
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> yeah i've seen both from streamers
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> hallowed and popping heavy cds
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> stals group didn't invuln the second chastening heat + triple cleaves
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> but arthars group does
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> so who knows whats better
[FC]<Battle Litany> yosh i wasnt attacking u or anything
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> ya
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> i know
[FC]<Battle Litany> i wanted to understand why you were thinking invulning the alex buster was better
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> I don't
[FC]<Battle Litany> obviously the healers make the call
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> I think its the same in my head
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> i cant iamgine something I havnt seen
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> and watching the vods
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> its the same
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> I've taken a look at logs now
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> and its about the same damage
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> with all cds its about 60 a swing not including TBN + healer things
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> 60k
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> 3 hits of 60K
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> with an auto at the start and the end
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> vs
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> 2 hits of 55k~ + autos + nisis
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> so in my head
[FC]<Battle Litany> so the thing is
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> its really about the same
[FC]<Battle Litany> when ur healing with tanks taking two bosses
[FC]<Battle Litany> its hectic
[FC]<Battle Litany> whereas the alex buster, u swap after the first hit and the other tank is the only one taking damage from then on
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Yeah, thats what you missed dude
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> they planned out the healing
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> not as hectic as u make it out to be
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> i think
[FC]<Battle Litany> all i remember is they said bok's group did like 4-5 healer gcds lol
[FC]<Battle Litany> to be honest it really doesnt matter
[FC]<Battle Litany> u dont even need cds full cds in this game
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> well anyway
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Yami's the one who wanted it, I'd push for earlier invulns anyway because you can invuln smthn else during perfect alexander
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> but measuring the two specific parts, stilll equal
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> Just healers need some practise
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> in my head
[FC]<Battle Litany> sure
[FC]<Battle Litany> thats what this game is even
[FC]<Battle Litany> i think world first had mediocre strats with good execution right?
[FC]<Battle Litany> so once u get it down u can do whatever
[FC]<Battle Litany> like this nisi movement, they are placing people in the spread next to their nisi partner for chakrams
[FC]<Battle Litany> but we can also do it like we are doing where i run around the group lol
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> yeah its whatever
[FC]<Seria Kaichou> awww best buddies made up
[FC]<Yosh Bosh> faggot