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2019-04-11 19:50:48	~saulpw	this release is going to be bonkers
2019-04-11 19:52:29	~saulpw	do you have a favorite new feature?
2019-04-11 19:52:02	 kefala	lol, you can tell when you were on fire from our release notes, it is so fun
2019-04-11 19:52:17	 kefala	BONKERS RELEASE stabilising bug-fix bug-fix small-features BONKERS
2019-04-11 19:52:58	 kefala	1.3 =) http://visidata.org/releases/
2019-04-11 19:55:08	~saulpw	what about it?
2019-04-11 19:55:23	~saulpw	our last non-mostly-bugfix release?
2019-04-11 19:56:34	 kefala	i think i remember once that you told me once that you like to overwhelm with love like a tidal wave
2019-04-11 19:56:43	 kefala	and 1.3 stands out from recent releases as a tidal wave
2019-04-11 19:56:56	 kefala	(questions about favourites are hard, so i am going to go through what i love)
2019-04-11 19:56:56	 kefala	(questions about favourites are hard, so i am going to go through what i love)
2019-04-11 19:57:18	~saulpw	sure
2019-04-11 19:57:29	~saulpw	i'm more wondering what you would immediately tout
2019-04-11 19:57:47	~saulpw	why should someone go to 1.6 even if it is a little less stable
2019-04-11 19:58:47	~saulpw	are we aiming to release a 1.6-beta before or after csv,conf
2019-04-11 19:59:34	 kefala	undo and output pipes are our biggest thing. i think numeric binning would also be standout, but it is hard to love that one bc i saw behind the curtain and i know how difficult that feature is. i will love it more when we can set it down and are happy with it.
2019-04-11 19:59:50	 kefala	i think the biggest thing for me with this release is something that is not exactly new. you could 'make plugins' before
2019-04-11 20:00:01	 kefala	but now they are much more integrated, and i even made some plugins myself
2019-04-11 20:00:06	 kefala	jsvine is starting to make plugins
2019-04-11 20:00:20	 kefala	and the expansion of the ecosystem, in ways that do not compromise the integrity of visidata core
2019-04-11 20:00:22	 kefala	is exciting to me
2019-04-11 20:00:32	 kefala	like that you could fool around with inplace, which is sleek
2019-04-11 20:00:33	~saulpw	yes
2019-04-11 20:00:44	 kefala	and i does not work 100% yet, but it is an experiment which we can ship
2019-04-11 20:00:58	~saulpw	i'm not sure we can ship it :/
2019-04-11 20:00:59	 kefala	and this ability to play and explore with visidata
2019-04-11 20:01:02	 kefala	without hurting it
2019-04-11 20:01:04	 kefala	makes me happy
2019-04-11 20:01:05	~saulpw	we might share it as experimental code in a blogpost
2019-04-11 20:01:12	~saulpw	we really need to set up a blog
2019-04-11 20:01:21	 kefala	yeah, i think that may be part of tomorrow
2019-04-11 20:01:23	~saulpw	make it easy for us to make a 3 paragraph "hey check this out"
2019-04-11 20:01:35	 kefala	i am excited about multiline once we iron out its kinks
2019-04-11 20:01:47	~saulpw	so, i realized that multiline needs multiline edit
2019-04-11 20:01:56	 kefala	oh, it totally does
2019-04-11 20:03:23	~saulpw	i'm looking at the /docs page
2019-04-11 20:03:29	~saulpw	and i wonder if we shouldn't s/How to/
2019-04-11 20:03:38	~saulpw	since it is the same for all of them
2019-04-11 20:03:43	 kefala	oh, i am in the process of doing that
2019-04-11 20:03:47	~saulpw	oh, cool
2019-04-11 20:03:51	 kefala	it is going to be reworked
2019-04-11 20:03:56	 kefala	jsvine's stuff will be more integrated
2019-04-11 20:04:04	 kefala	with links to specific pages
2019-04-11 20:04:06	~saulpw	oh!  sweet, you have some ideas
2019-04-11 20:04:11	 kefala	so we do not redo his work with lower quality stuff
2019-04-11 20:04:27	 kefala	and then we can expand on his stuff, with things he does not have time/energy to cover in detail
2019-04-11 20:04:32	 kefala	or that we can cover better
2019-04-11 20:04:42	 kefala	it will mean erasing some of my pages
2019-04-11 20:04:43	~saulpw	what do you think about having a central links page, for every single piece of info on about visidata on the wqeb
2019-04-11 20:04:45	 kefala	and i have accepted that
2019-04-11 20:04:49	~saulpw	maybe it could be a wiki?
2019-04-11 20:04:59	 kefala	i like this idea!
2019-04-11 20:05:32	~saulpw	or, checked into github/visidata.org, and we make the process for submitting entries very explicit
2019-04-11 20:06:06	 kefala	some software projects use the github wiki page
2019-04-11 20:06:27	~saulpw	yeah that would be one option
2019-04-11 20:06:32	 kefala	i am not the biggest fan of it specifically bc i noticed that reading those docs is unmotivating
2019-04-11 20:06:41	 kefala	bc of their alpha-ordering
2019-04-11 20:06:50	~saulpw	explain/example
2019-04-11 20:06:50	~saulpw	?
2019-04-11 20:06:50	 kefala	there is no flow that i can just bounce through
2019-04-11 20:07:01	~saulpw	yes, i want linear too
2019-04-11 20:07:15	~saulpw	we could use the wiki for *only* links
2019-04-11 20:07:31	~saulpw	like only a few pages to start, one for Users, one for Devs
2019-04-11 20:07:33	 kefala	ah nvm, people can add ToC's and some projects do
2019-04-11 20:07:35	 kefala	https://github.com/gnab/remark/wiki
2019-04-11 20:07:50	 kefala	+
2019-04-11 20:07:52	 kefala	i like this idea
2019-04-11 20:08:06	 kefala	let us get a blog up first, and then let us create a Users/Dev wiki
2019-04-11 20:08:09	 kefala	i will note down
2019-04-11 20:08:10	~saulpw	let's make a proper user funnel
2019-04-11 20:08:23	~saulpw	and yes, collect all our links in the wiki
2019-04-11 20:08:37	~saulpw	i think we actually have a great amount of information out there, but it's not well indexed
2019-04-11 20:08:53	 kefala	i think these are next major doc tasks, but i want to clean up some debt before undertaking them
2019-04-11 20:09:07	~saulpw	sure
2019-04-11 20:08:58	 kefala	but maybe i undertake one tomorrow
2019-04-11 20:09:06	 kefala	this is true
2019-04-11 20:09:18	~saulpw	what would you do tomorrow?
2019-04-11 20:09:46	 kefala	rework ToC, note gaps, prioritise ones for new features
2019-04-11 20:09:56	 kefala	and ensure those are documented adequately
2019-04-11 20:10:08	 kefala	and i also have 'common docs i wish i had'
2019-04-11 20:10:31	~saulpw	yes, awesome
2019-04-11 20:10:31	 kefala	bc i keep re-explaining things to users and i wish i could just link
2019-04-11 20:10:47	~saulpw	you know what i'm thinking we should even put things that don't exist yet, in the wiki
2019-04-11 20:10:55	~saulpw	just without a link
2019-04-11 20:11:04	 kefala	write for docs has had some advice for triaging the doc todo list =)
2019-04-11 20:11:05	 kefala	sure!
2019-04-11 20:11:08	~saulpw	and that means that we want it
2019-04-11 20:11:16	 kefala	say, 'hey you, you pretty devil.'
2019-04-11 20:11:20	 kefala	'come write for us.'
2019-04-11 20:11:36	~saulpw	yeah?  does that work?
2019-04-11 20:11:51	 kefala	does my stupid flirt work or does empty docs pages work?
2019-04-11 20:11:52	~saulpw	what do they recommend to do first?
2019-04-11 20:12:03	~saulpw	either
2019-04-11 20:12:23	 kefala	my stupid flirt i think would only work if i sold it with attitude
2019-04-11 20:12:42	~saulpw	or just honesty
2019-04-11 20:12:46	 kefala	empty doc pages will work, if someone wants to contribute. or to become aware of a feature
2019-04-11 20:13:00	 kefala	and then potentially ask how it works
2019-04-11 20:13:16	 kefala	i am not sure how many would be enthusiastic to contribute, but i have been frequently surprised :)
2019-04-11 20:13:23	 kefala	you are right, i am in a bad headspace
2019-04-11 20:13:24	~saulpw	"hey, i saw your __ and really liked how it __.  i do visidata, would you be interested in doing a guest __ with us?"
2019-04-11 20:13:31	 kefala	about the honesty
2019-04-11 20:13:52	~saulpw	i think we should maybe start acknowledging ourselves as a desirable project
2019-04-11 20:13:59	 kefala	it helps that if we have a ... what is it called
2019-04-11 20:14:05	 kefala	dev sprint at a conference
2019-04-11 20:14:14	 kefala	that we have an obvious todo folks could pick up
2019-04-11 20:14:18	~saulpw	right
2019-04-11 20:14:36	~saulpw	and i could go around and show people how to use their thing in like 5 minutes each
2019-04-11 20:15:01	~saulpw	i love the idea of a doc sprint
2019-04-11 20:15:10	~saulpw	if we could organize that sufficiently
2019-04-11 20:16:03	~saulpw	man now i have some ideas
2019-04-11 20:16:12	 *	kefala basks
2019-04-11 20:16:14	 kefala	please share
2019-04-11 20:16:25	~saulpw	we could have a 'featured feature' on the front page
2019-04-11 20:16:49	~saulpw	and it would link to a blog post that wraps/inlines/links to the doc page
2019-04-11 20:17:12	~saulpw	and they could all be on the same static front page but selected via javascript based on the date.  (and there would be a dropdown too
2019-04-11 20:17:49	 kefala	mmmmmmmmm
2019-04-11 20:18:27	 kefala	this enables spontaneous discovery
2019-04-11 20:18:29	 kefala	like you get at rc
2019-04-11 20:18:39	 kefala	sometimes you do not really know what to look for, or focus on
2019-04-11 20:18:46	 kefala	and seeing a huge feature list is overwhelming
2019-04-11 20:18:51	~saulpw	yeah and the 'featured feature' blog posts would be properly authored, unlike the docs which are kind of anonymously written
2019-04-11 20:18:51	 kefala	but if you are fed one post a time
2019-04-11 20:18:55	~saulpw	people like to get credit for things
2019-04-11 20:19:00	~saulpw	yes
2019-04-11 20:19:25	~saulpw	actually we could include the FF on those pages so that you can keep going down the rabbit hole
2019-04-11 20:19:52	 kefala	FF?
2019-04-11 20:20:03	~saulpw	the Featured Feature widget
2019-04-11 20:20:18	 kefala	ah :D
2019-04-11 20:20:20	~saulpw	actually we could do this now
2019-04-11 20:20:29	~saulpw	we have actually done a lot of FFs in various forms
2019-04-11 20:20:40	~saulpw	the videos/whatnot
2019-04-11 20:21:02	 kefala	start by linking to a video?
2019-04-11 20:21:06	 kefala	like the DirSheet one
2019-04-11 20:21:09	 kefala	is a good example
2019-04-11 20:22:03	~saulpw	yeah...i think maybe they should have some wrapper text though
2019-04-11 20:22:24	~saulpw	we should enumerate the things we want
2019-04-11 20:22:41	~saulpw	heh, and the things we have
2019-04-11 20:24:28	~saulpw	i feel like wrapper text is necessary
2019-04-11 20:24:46	~saulpw	that we could almost pay someone $5 to write 100 words and include the various links, and it would be a worthy addition
2019-04-11 20:24:49	 kefala	by wrapper text you mean not just have Featured Feature, Dir Sheet
2019-04-11 20:25:00	 kefala	but have text that accompanies it?
2019-04-11 20:25:05	~saulpw	right
2019-04-11 20:25:21	~saulpw	for minimal context, and what kind of media it is, and what you're getting into
2019-04-11 20:25:36	 kefala	good point about what media it is
2019-04-11 20:25:54	~saulpw	maybe who might want this, when they might use it
2019-04-11 20:25:58	~saulpw	SEO kinda stuff
2019-04-11 20:26:08	~saulpw	slap some keywords in there
2019-04-11 20:26:39	~saulpw	we could have Featured Feature Friday