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- Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 01:15:25 +0200
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- Subject: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- -!- mode/#cat-v [+o aiju] by ChanServ
- -!- mode/#cat-v [+b *!*aram@9front.army] by aiju
- -!- Aram was kicked from #cat-v by aiju [fuck you]
- It's pretty ironic that I was banned while discussing my opinion
- on whether a particular social event is ironic or not, a discussion
- which stemmed from discussing CoCs (i.e. banning people for expressing
- their opinions). If that is not the ultimate irony, I don't know
- what it is!
- It appears the 9front CoC has finally caught up with me.
- So long, it's been a fun ride.
- --=20
- Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu
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- Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:59:55 -0400
- From: sl@stanleylieber.com
- To: 9front@9front.org
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- Subject: Re: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- > -!- mode/#cat-v [+o aiju] by ChanServ
- > -!- mode/#cat-v [+b *!*aram@9front.army] by aiju
- > -!- Aram was kicked from #cat-v by aiju [fuck you]
- Is this temporary?
- sl
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- Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:33:14 +0200 (CEST)
- From: Julius Schmidt <aiju@phicode.de>
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- Subject: Re: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- Yes.
- I've already unbanned him.
- I would be sad to see him go, especially over this bullshit.
- If he was a random newbie, I would have just permabanned him and forgot
- about him, like the occasional 4chan Holocaust deniers or that asshole
- that blamed me for uriel's death and never shut up about his
- misunderstanding of mental illness.
- I'm torn.
- I respect(ed?) a him a lot so I don't want to just throw that away
- because he has oldfashioned opinions about trans people.
- But part of me also feels like I shouldn't tolerate this crap.
- For the record, I don't really care about the transgender person he
- commented on. It's the general principle that's bothering me.
- Gender is whatever your brain ends up wired up as. In most cases this
- aligns with your chromosomes, which in most cases align with your
- genitalia.
- But, through accidents of biology, there are people with the chromosomes
- not matching their genitalia.
- Now imagine MAYBE there are people, whose brains are legitimately wired in
- a way that doesn't match their chromosomes.
- I know this is hard to relate to when you've never had to deal with it.
- On Wed, 23 May 2018, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
- >> -!- mode/#cat-v [+o aiju] by ChanServ
- >> -!- mode/#cat-v [+b *!*aram@9front.army] by aiju
- >> -!- Aram was kicked from #cat-v by aiju [fuck you]
- >
- > Is this temporary?
- >
- > sl
- >
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- From: =?UTF-8?B?QXJhbSBIxIN2xINybmVhbnU=?= <aram.h@mgk.ro>
- Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 12:10:28 +0200
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- Subject: Re: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- > I know this is hard to relate to when you've never had to deal with
- > it.
- I don't advertise it, but I have, and I have had many lives apart
- from what I expose about myself in various online communities. I'm
- friends with all kinds of groups of people that live at the fringe
- of social acceptance. And some of them are trans. Not only I do
- have experience relating to trans people, these experiences have
- all been positive.
- > Now imagine MAYBE there are people, whose brains are legitimately
- > wired in a way that doesn't match their chromosomes.
- There was never any doubt that this is true, and I find it bizarre
- that it is implied that I do not believe it to be true. For the
- record, I never doubted this was true. You make it sound like I
- somehow act like trans people are not a legitimate group of people.
- This can't be further from the truth, some of them are my friends!
- I genuinely can't understand how you could have made this inference.
- While I try to be really careful about how I express myself in
- writing, sometimes on IRC I am sloppy, and perhaps I have said
- something that could have been wrongly interpreted. For that, I
- apologise (though I don't know what EXACTLY I said that was
- interpreted like that).
- > For the record, I don't really care about the transgender person
- > he commented on. It's the general principle that's bothering me.
- I did not attack this person for being transgender, I attacked this
- person because she is crazy.
- I also criticised various factions who have put her in the spotlight
- as an avatar for their feminist cause. I have criticised these
- factions because I believe she is a spectacularly bad example (others
- might disagree). I have not criticised anyone for being trans,
- though, perhaps someone could interpret what I said this way. FWIW
- my trans friends also agree with me.
- > oldfashioned opinions about trans people.
- For the record, I must defend myself once more. I have trans friends
- and I don't think I have an oldfashioned opinion about them at all.
- Quite the contrary. You all don't know, but I was born in en
- environment full of people who are not accepted at all by the
- mainstream society (certaintly not in conservative Romania). Gay
- people, ex-cons, actual astrologers, people who hammer nails in
- their head, people who believe in actual ritualistic magic, trans
- people, the actual drug mafia, people with weird fetishes that
- interfere and dictate their regular life, etc, etc. Not that any
- of these groups are in any way related to being trans, but they are
- all fringe groups outside the social norm, and we get together just
- fine (in fact probably more so that I get with the rest of the
- mainstream society).
- There seems to be this implied belief that I am somehow intolerant
- towards some groups of people 9trans in this case), which is not
- true, and which I find bizarre as all my life I have been involved
- with groups that are hated on, and I have been myself the victim
- of discriminations in many cases... It's not true.
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- Aram H=C4=83v=C4=83rneanu
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- Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 13:38:23 +0200 (CEST)
- From: Julius Schmidt <aiju@phicode.de>
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- Subject: Re: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- > There was never any doubt that this is true, and I find it bizarre
- > that it is implied that I do not believe it to be true. For the
- > record, I never doubted this was true. You make it sound like I
- > somehow act like trans people are not a legitimate group of people.
- > This can't be further from the truth, some of them are my friends!
- > I genuinely can't understand how you could have made this inference.
- I have to concede at this point that I know absolutely nothing about
- this person and quite frankly I don't care about her.
- I might be a bit too trigger happy about this kind of language; usually a
- statement like "[XXX] is really a man" is a sign that the speaker does not
- or refuses to understand the concept of being transgender.
- I know that many trans people are comfortable with this language and read
- it as "[XXX] was assigned male at birth" but I also think that many would
- share my interpretation and take offense if referred to as the opposite
- gender like this.
- You also seemed to imply she shouldn't represent female Go programmers
- because she is not 'really' a woman or a lesser woman somehow (which also
- seems to deny the basic concept).
- I have no interest in witch trials so I'll be happy to just let it slide
- as a misunderstanding on my part.
- > I also criticised various factions who have put her in the spotlight
- > as an avatar for their feminist cause. I have criticised these
- > factions because I believe she is a spectacularly bad example (others
- > might disagree). I have not criticised anyone for being trans,
- > though, perhaps someone could interpret what I said this way. FWIW
- > my trans friends also agree with me.
- I agree a lot of feminists are completely bonkers and actually
- detrimental to the cause.
- > There seems to be this implied belief that I am somehow intolerant
- > towards some groups of people 9trans in this case), which is not
- > true, [...]
- I'm glad to hear that.
- Feel free to come back on IRC.
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- From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 10:30:39 +0200
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- Subject: Re: [9front] The Ultimate Irony
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- CoCs aren't just about banning people for expressing their opinions,
- it's also about trying to fight real world social problems.
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