19:28 fieryrage: pishi made a rainbow tylenol
19:28 fieryrage: ???????
19:29 Hobbes2: yeah its
19:29 Hobbes2: a generic alt map ul
19:29 fieryrage: holy SHIT
19:29 fieryrage: THATS MY FAVORITE KIND OF ALT MAP
19:29 Hobbes2: i suck at alt maps so rip
19:29 Hobbes2: anyway now that my figners are warmed up a bit ill look at ur map
19:29 fieryrage: i only play alt maps
19:30 fieryrage: top 10 osu
19:30 fieryrage: yea
19:30 fieryrage: im still open to nerfing whatever so if i forgot to nerf like
19:30 fieryrage: a certain jump or pattern tell me so i nerf it
19:30 fieryrage: holy SHIT a new bd extra in this set too
19:30 fieryrage: Count Me INn
19:39 Hobbes2: werent u gonna do something with those stacks or
19:39 Hobbes2: was that not a thing
19:39 fieryrage: i said i wasnt gonna do anything w/ them cuz the rhythm was different
19:39 fieryrage: the nonstack is used for buildup during the first minute and like nowhere else
19:40 fieryrage: since there's no real buildup anywhere else
19:40 Hobbes2: oh yeah, okay
19:40 fieryrage: that i use them for, at least
19:40 Hobbes2: 05:05:340 (4,2) -
19:40 Hobbes2: stack or smth
19:40 Hobbes2: oh you stacked the heads
19:40 Hobbes2: hmm the tails dont stack so its kinda weird
19:40 Hobbes2: w/e
19:41 fieryrage: if it makes you feel any better
19:41 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230066
19:41 fieryrage: they used to be like this
19:41 fieryrage: or well the tails
19:41 fieryrage: used to be like all over the place there
19:43 Hobbes2: 01:40:440 (1,2,3) -
19:43 Hobbes2: this spacing is weird
19:43 Hobbes2: high spacing to the 1/2 note but then the same spacing to the 1/1 note
19:43 fieryrage: o
19:43 Hobbes2: just plays weird
19:43 fieryrage: shit ur right
19:43 fieryrage: mm
19:43 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230077 i can do this for the slider ill figure out where to put the 3
19:44 Hobbes2: reasonable
19:44 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230079 ok i figured it out already lo l
19:44 fieryrage: yea i did that mainly cuz 01:57:240 (1,2) - spacing here was similar to that so why not
19:46 Hobbes2: i appreciate the nerfs and it does feel like it fits the song better but i still think overall (with the biggest problem being the kiai) a bit overdone and could use a blanket nerf across all the big jump sections
19:46 Hobbes2: the regular portions are all fine
19:46 Hobbes2: its definitely closer
19:46 Hobbes2: to what id consider acceptable
19:47 fieryrage: alright
19:47 fieryrage: so one more nerf to the jump sections, then
19:47 Hobbes2: pretty much
19:47 fieryrage: lemme do that rq and send you it
19:47 fieryrage: ill nerf other parts of the kiai as well
19:48 fieryrage: any specific jumps that would need special attention in ur opinion?
19:48 fieryrage: 03:15:240 (1) - im assuming this one since i didnt really nerf this at all lmao
19:48 Hobbes2: ye
19:49 Hobbes2: 03:09:240 (1) - for exmaple i think this is okay
19:49 Hobbes2: the build up isnt too intense and the big jumps are reserved for the climax of the portion
19:49 Hobbes2: 03:14:040 (1) - ramps up too fast and has big spacing too early
19:49 fieryrage: ye
19:49 fieryrage: alright lemme fix that then
19:50 Hobbes2: 03:21:240 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is...well its the climax all right but its just like too much for the song
19:50 Hobbes2: i get that this is subjective so
19:50 Hobbes2: shrug
19:50 fieryrage: tbh
19:50 fieryrage: ill just nerf it anyway
19:50 fieryrage: because
19:50 fieryrage: ur literally my only chance at getting this shit qualified
19:50 fieryrage: and i agree
19:50 fieryrage: so
19:50 Hobbes2: oko was kinda right about these lol 03:37:890 (1,1,1,1) -
19:50 Hobbes2: neat vertical gimmick thing but then the drums are introduced and tis just gone
19:51 fieryrage: should i remove those]
19:51 Hobbes2: nah
19:51 Hobbes2: its fine
19:51 Hobbes2: if u were to eand on the gimmick whenever that guitar sound came up could be avertical slider
19:51 Hobbes2: but its kinda too late so w/e
19:51 Hobbes2: *expand
19:53 fieryrage: lol holy shit
19:53 fieryrage: nerfing the stars made the SR go from 7.42 to 7.36
19:53 fieryrage: rest in fucking peace
19:53 fieryrage: alright sending u the updated version
19:54 fieryrage: http://puu.sh/xOBci/6bfc60cd1b.osz
19:54 fieryrage: only thing is 03:18:840 (1) - what are ur thoughts on the spacing here
19:54 fieryrage: needs reduction or
19:54 fieryrage: i already reduced the star spacing
19:54 Hobbes2: 04:39:240 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - nerf this lol
19:54 Hobbes2: 03:18:840 (1) - uhh about this
19:55 Hobbes2: since ur nerfing the star
19:55 Hobbes2: best to nerf this a bit too
19:55 fieryrage: Fuc
19:55 Hobbes2: since if you nerf the star its kinda the same spacing as teh star
19:55 fieryrage: that was my favorite part of the map
19:55 fieryrage: Rest in pe
19:55 Hobbes2: which maeks it lose teh emphasiz
19:55 fieryrage: yea ok
19:55 fieryrage: ill nerf that
19:55 Hobbes2: let me look again i dont wanna force u too hard
19:55 fieryrage: iunno
19:56 fieryrage: its like
19:56 fieryrage: that part of the song
19:56 fieryrage: is basically the most intense because
19:56 fieryrage: theres cymbals crashing literally every note
19:56 Hobbes2: ok the big jumps ar efine
19:56 Hobbes2: 04:38:040 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
19:56 Hobbes2: is weird because
19:56 Hobbes2: the last 1-2 breaks the visual pattern for no reason
19:56 fieryrage: 04:39:090 (2) -
19:56 fieryrage: cuz of this vocal
19:56 Hobbes2: also its just kinda spaced too big i geuss, this section isnt really like kiai dubstep jumps so it doenst need to be this big
19:56 Hobbes2: the cymbal jumps are ok
19:56 fieryrage: also to introduce the spacing
19:56 fieryrage: alright i see ur point on spacing though
19:58 fieryrage: http://puu.sh/xOBly/b8b5d6e043.osz
19:58 fieryrage: reduced all that u asked
19:58 Hobbes2: 04:51:840 (4,5,1,2) - feel these shouldbe sliders
19:59 fieryrage: bro those werent sliders in like
19:59 fieryrage: any of the other patterns in the map
19:59 fieryrage: first kiai has the exact same rhythm
19:59 Hobbes2: no it doesnt
19:59 Hobbes2: 03:03:840 (4,5) -
19:59 fieryrage: o
19:59 fieryrage: fuck
19:59 fieryrage: im retarded
20:00 Hobbes2: 03:08:265 - also u map this is a triplet in teh second kiai
20:00 Hobbes2: the rhythms a lot more dense in the second kiai for this part
20:00 Hobbes2: 03:08:040 (1,2) - this goes from two sliders to like circles and a triplet
20:01 fieryrage: my justification for that is cuz
20:01 Hobbes2: 04:57:240 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - nerf imo. the jumps right after are fine
20:01 fieryrage: theres a very noticeable triple in the second kiai that the first one doesnt have
20:01 fieryrage: as noticeably there
20:01 Hobbes2: mm i guess
20:01 fieryrage: also nerfed
20:01 Hobbes2: 04:56:940 (1) - 04:56:640 (1) - 04:56:340 (4) - can all be sliders (or some variation )
20:02 Hobbes2: just think ur going too early with the jumps
20:02 fieryrage: i can reduce the spacing so it doesn't feel like jumps
20:02 fieryrage: cuz tbh i didnt intend for those to be jumps
20:02 fieryrage: lao
20:02 Hobbes2: 05:01:140 (3) - this rhythm is poop, just do 1/2 sliders or smth, 05:01:440 - has been clickable every other time
20:02 Hobbes2: yeah that should be fine
20:03 Hobbes2: 05:09:240 (1) - nerf this stuff same like the first kiai
20:03 Hobbes2: uif you havent already
20:03 fieryrage: i have but i see how asymmetrical it is now so im gonna fix that
20:06 fieryrage: also for the first part in the second kiai
20:06 fieryrage: i honestly cant figure out how to make it flow well
20:06 fieryrage: with just 2 sliders instead of the circles there
20:07 fieryrage: also 03:13:140 (3) - does the 5:01:140 point apply to this too
20:08 Hobbes2: just do like
20:08 Hobbes2: some movement like this but with actual aesthetics http://puu.sh/xOBLU/66fa7cd163.jpg
20:08 Hobbes2: yes
20:09 Hobbes2: 03:13:140 (3) - for this
20:09 fieryrage: ok
20:11 fieryrage: now im running into even more flow issues
20:11 fieryrage: fuck i hate AESTHETICS
20:11 fieryrage: my aesthetic from like
20:12 fieryrage: late 2016 is so BAD
20:12 Hobbes2: yeah im not super anal about aesthetics becaues that topic is like subjective raised to the next power
20:12 fieryrage: idk
20:12 fieryrage: like im trying to think of ways to fix that
20:13 fieryrage: into 2 1/2 sliders
20:13 fieryrage: but its just
20:13 fieryrage: my mind is like dead rn
20:13 Hobbes2: just copy the movement of ur circles
20:13 Hobbes2: into slidershapes
20:13 Hobbes2: should be fine
20:14 Hobbes2: http://puu.sh/xOC0r/075bf1eea1.jpg budget solution
20:14 fieryrage: o
20:15 fieryrage: i already fixed that
20:15 fieryrage: im talking about the
20:15 fieryrage: 03:13:140 (3) -
20:15 fieryrage: these
20:15 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230222 i just did this for that part since theres emphasis on the vocals
20:15 fieryrage: and ill do the same for the first part in the first kiai
20:15 Hobbes2: ok well if u don change it at least
20:15 Hobbes2: 03:13:740 (5,6) -
20:15 Hobbes2: nerf this a lot
20:15 Hobbes2: 03:13:590 (4,5,6) -
20:15 Hobbes2: all of thse
20:16 fieryrage: o
20:16 fieryrage: yea
20:16 fieryrage: i did that
20:16 Hobbes2: 05:01:590 (4,5,6) - d
20:17 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230229
20:17 fieryrage: look how COOL i am
20:18 Hobbes2: ok send me what you got when youre ready
20:19 fieryrage: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230240
20:19 fieryrage: LITTLE DOES THIS MAN KNOW
20:19 fieryrage: http://puu.sh/xOCbx/d0663af608.osz
20:20 Hobbes2: k let me fail the map real quick
20:20 fieryrage: im gonna
20:21 fieryrage: play thru myself
20:21 fieryrage: just so i dont miss stupid shit
20:23 fieryrage: 00:42:240 (1) -
20:23 fieryrage: during the breakdown it feels like these are out of plcae now
20:23 fieryrage: should i nerf
20:23 fieryrage: like just the final few jumps
20:26 Hobbes2: well ended up 1 missing the stream part lol, same stamina issues in the jumps
20:26 Hobbes2: uh let me see
20:27 fieryrage: >stamina issue with jumps
20:27 fieryrage: 1 miss stream
20:27 fieryrage: ?????????????????????????????
20:27 fieryrage: Hobbes 2 Professional Player
20:27 Hobbes2: bro my talents are fucked
20:27 Hobbes2: i grew up in this game the wrong way
20:27 Hobbes2: i used to be like a jump only player
20:27 Hobbes2: now im like anything but jump player
20:27 Hobbes2: which means no pp :(
20:27 fieryrage: SAd,.
20:27 fieryrage: but yea
20:28 fieryrage: idk if i should nerf that section or just keep as is
20:28 Hobbes2: uhh
20:28 fieryrage: i guess its fine cuz its like
20:28 fieryrage: a buildup and intensifies as it should
20:28 fieryrage: but idk
20:28 Hobbes2: the build up is good
20:28 Hobbes2: but the spacing is too much probably, esp 00:42:540 (3,4,1) -
20:28 fieryrage: ya i was gonna nerf that to https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9230287 this
20:29 Hobbes2: great, but 03:21:240 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -  looks not touched
20:29 Hobbes2: yea what u have looks fine
20:29 Hobbes2: and neither does 05:09:240 (1) -
20:29 Hobbes2: looks like u nudged it a bit
20:29 Hobbes2: twhole point o fa nerf is a noticeable change :eyes:
20:29 fieryrage: Ok Sec
20:31 fieryrage: the second one i did nerf
20:31 fieryrage: and i thought it was p noticeable
20:31 fieryrage: so idk
20:31 fieryrage: first one i nerfed tho
20:31 fieryrage: 7.31 stars lets go bros
20:32 fieryrage: Guilty All The Same: An adventure from 7.8 stars to 7.3
20:32 fieryrage: http://puu.sh/xOCIo/94b9e0e2c1.osz
20:32 Hobbes2: double check ur map while i lowkey testplay some guys map for them
20:32 Hobbes2: :eyes:
20:32 Hobbes2: esp hitsounds
20:32 fieryrage: ya
20:32 Hobbes2: so i have less to chec
20:32 fieryrage: i think all hitsounds are good but
20:32 fieryrage: e
20:32 fieryrage: imma
20:32 fieryrage: Play This
20:40 fieryrage: ok
20:40 fieryrage: hitsounds look fine
20:43 Hobbes2: ok send me
20:46 fieryrage: i did some more trimming to stars
20:47 fieryrage: http://puu.sh/xODhz/af041246ba.osz
20:47 fieryrage: its kinda shit playability wise
20:47 fieryrage: but honestly i dont care
20:49 fieryrage: i butchered the fuck out of this map i just want this done lmao
20:50 Hobbes2: ok you can update
20:50 fieryrage: updated
20:53 Hobbes2: let me write up something for my bubble post
20:53 Hobbes2: because im gonna rebub
20:53 Hobbes2: since we made a bunch of changes
20:53 Hobbes2: worth geting squirrel to recheck
20:53 fieryrage: *dab*
20:53 fieryrage: squirrel thought it was fine if not overexaggerated so im p sure he wont have an issue with them
20:54 fieryrage: since it was basically just jump nerfs lul
20:54 Hobbes2: ye but we made a pretty solid amount of changes, past the point of requal
20:54 Hobbes2: something somethign bn rules
20:54 Hobbes2: so yea ill be safe there
20:55 fieryrage: Dab