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<+asie> also, Cricket, I heard you're also contributing to the whole "no Chisels at BTM" thing?
<+Cricket> from who?
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, a good programmer acknowledges their code is crap. A bad one thinks it's good :P
<+asie> Cricket: from the fact you didn't quit Chisel as initially stated
<+asie> meaning we're back to two mods one mod ID
<+Cricket> So you didn't hear you assumed
<+LatvianModder> Im somewhat between those, Vex. I know that my code is bad and improve it until its good :P
<+asie> did one of you change the mod ID? *gasp*
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<+asie> i uphold my condition: if there are two Chisel forks with the same mod ID, I will not use either for BTM
<+Cricket> I don't give a shit about BTM
<+Cricket> It has zero effect on my life
<+asie> yes
<+Lordmau5> That's the attitude!
<+asie> also talk to the people who are using classloader detection to make sure they don't call the wrong API
<+LatvianModder> Is it getting hot in here? Man..
<+Lordmau5> ... did I choose the right word?
<+asie> as @Optional by modID doesn't work either now
* Lordmau5 raises hand
<+Vexatos> reminds me of GT 5 vs GT 6
<+Cricket> Well if you are going to threaten me with something at least make it legitimate
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<LatvianModder> I would have said Spirit, Lordmau5 but that works :P
<+asie> Cricket: I'm not threatening you - you were invested in the discussion on #BTM at the time
<+Lordmau5> wait, someone else is having issues?
<+asie> so I thought you might be interested in knowing that
<asie> Lordmau5: nah, I heard it from you
<+Cricket> I was never invested in it
<+Lordmau5> okiez
<+Cricket> You pinged me to bring me into drama
<+Lordmau5> I meant LatvianModder though, haha
<+asie> Cricket: stop calling legitimate issues drama
<+Cricket> now you are trying to start it again
<+Lordmau5> this is not drama
<+asie> "modders cannot support your Chisel without breaking with the other one" is NOT drama
<Cricket> Lordmau5: please just stop
<+asie> it's common sense
<+Cricket> not your convo
<+asie> Cricket: his convo
<+asie> he's the one who's having crash issues
<+asie> and he, and other modders who will undoubtedly try to add compat to one of the Chisels, are the people i'm trying to help by naming the issue
<+asie> the issue being, of course, that two grown up people cannot agree on something as simple as separating their areas of interest
<+asie> where everyone else gets harmed by it
<+Cricket> You are blowing everything way out of proportion
<+asie> no, i'm just predicting the future
<+Lordmau5> So far I seem to be the only one that is affected by this crash
<+asie> as there's few mods on 1.9
<+Lordmau5> what if other people implement either your or the other Chisel's API?
<+Cricket> Tt and I had a great talk last night and got to even ground and you are trying to spark it all again
<+asie> "got to even ground" i've heard that so many times. i'll believe it when i see it
<+asie> anyhow, i can drop it here
<+Lordmau5> did you mention the topic of the modid causing issues...?
<+Cricket> Please for the love of god never talk to me about chisel stuff again
<+Jared> Cricket, tterrag, I agree with asie, sort something out. I can foresee this being a problem with modtweaker
<+LatvianModder> Alright, im giving out little flags. I have 30 #TeamAsie and 25 #TeamCricket. Sorry, I ran out of ink...
<+Lordmau5> flags? xD
<+Jared> so either have a single mod or 2 mod ids, or there isn't going to be support
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<LatvianModder> Lordmau5: http://extrafabulouscomics.com/comic/200/
<+Lordmau5> The only fallback I can offer is that I load **after** "chisel" (as in, the modid) and check for one of your classes being there
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, yes.
<+Lordmau5> if it is, I could make Minecraft crash on my own with a proper crash report that users can read
<+Lordmau5> That's one suggestion I have thought of just now :/
<+Lordmau5> and I am 100% sure neither me nor you will like that approach
<+Lordmau5> LatvianModder, oh yea that :D
<+Lordmau5> I've seen that with Nvidia + AMD xD
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, http://extrafabulouscomics.com/comic/275/
<+Lordmau5> that's relatively new, isn't it, Vex?
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<+LatvianModder> Vexatos: those are lovely comics, aint' ey? :P
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<+minecreatr> this drama again... really.....
<+Lordmau5> it's not drama
<+Cricket> it is
<+Vexatos> It's a legitemate issue.
<+Lordmau5> ^
<+Vexatos> At least it sounds like one.
<+minecreatr> well, this issue again I mea
<+Lordmau5> well yea
<+Vexatos> As I said, GT 5 vs GT 6 all over again
<+minecreatr> like I thought this was resolved xD
<+Cricket> Please just don't talk to me about chisel stuff ever again
<+Lordmau5> does that mean you stopped developing it now, or...?
<+minecreatr> I agree with that
<+Cricket> resolved? minecreatr you bring it up every single time you are in the same room with me
<Cricket> Lordmau5: read it, it means don't talk to me about it
<+minecreatr> thats because I am an anxious person
<+Lordmau5> *shrugs* welp
<+minecreatr> and I constantly worry about what people think of me
<+minecreatr> so I try to make sure you dont hold it against me Cricket
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<+Cricket> If you are worried that people won't like you then don't constantly bring up the one thing that pisses them off every time you see them
<+minecreatr> Cricket, Im not good socially....
<+Cricket> I'd say most of us aren't thats why we became programmers and play games
<+Lordmau5> I am social :^)
<+Lordmau5> If I want to be, haha
<+minecreatr> Cricket, well, im not good at interacting with other people are sensitive subjects
<+Lordmau5> then again - I do kinda agree.
<+Lordmau5> if we talk about singleplayer games*
<+tterrag> pretending it's not a big deal doesn't make it true. having conflicting modids is going to be hell for compatibility, I told you that. they are not "blowing it out of proportion"
<+Vexatos> Soo uuuh, a TL;DR is <Cricket> "My mod has an issue with another version of the mod and I don't want to resolve it as it doesn't affect me so stop talking about it"? ._.
<+minecreatr> actually how about this
<+Lordmau5> Jesus, Vex
<+minecreatr> lets stop bothering Cricket
<+Lordmau5> hit the nail on the head with that one
<+Vexatos> "Stop talking to me" is not how to settle an argument ._.
<+minecreatr> I think that stuff is mostly resolved
<+Vexatos> at least last time I checked.
<+Cricket> Vex the argument is settled. I don't give a fuck
<+Cricket> literally thats how it is
<+Lordmau5> So you say you don't want to resolve it because you "don't give a fuck"?
<+Vexatos> And I thought you cared about your mods, oh well.
<+Lordmau5> cool way to approach the community, but who am I to talk about that...
<+Cricket> I do care about my mods, thats why I wanted to change the license, thats why I spent a summer rewriting it from scratch, thats why I made a vanilla based render system so it wouldn't be laggy. And what did I get?
<+Vexatos> So you rewrote the entire mod
<+Cricket> The community saying Fuck you the "chisel team" was here first you fucking worthless piece of shit
<+Vexatos> but keps that one unresolved issue it had in?
<+Vexatos> kept*
<+LatvianModder> For some reason I now want to make a whole new, original mod, called Carved. Its all about modifying already existing blocks. Totally irrelevant. (joke)
<+minecreatr> Cricket, we invited you to come help us multiple times.....
<+Cricket> I made it so we could take chisel down off mod repost sites to make sure community members couldn't download virus's
<+Cricket> I made it so I could shut down servers against the eula
<+Cricket> I made it so I could shut down servers against the eula
<+Cricket> I did so much in terms of framework for the betterment of the community and all I got was a fuck off
<+Cricket> So excuse me for not giving a fuck when the community finally wants something from me
<+Cricket> *mic drop*
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<+Lordmau5> here, you dropped that
<+Lordmau5> back to topic: You think the community wants something from someone with that attitude?
<+minecreatr> Cricket, you took an open source mod, and tried to make it closes source
<+minecreatr> while using much of the open source code and violating the license
<+Cricket> it wasn't closed source
<+Cricket> it was visible
<+Cricket> Get your terms right
<+LatvianModder> When we are still continuing this: http://imgur.com/AiyFvSN
<+minecreatr> this quote by asie sums it up You're not gonna stop the meanies, so make it easier for the good guys instead
<+Vexatos> minecreatr, well it was MIT wasn't it?
<+Cricket> LGPL2
<+Vexatos> wait how are you going to make that visible source
<+minecreatr> it has a pass left clause I believe
<+Cricket> New code base means you can change the license
<+minecreatr> Cricket, you used a lot of the old code
<+Vexatos> keeping the mod name?
<+Vexatos> that's dubious.
<+minecreatr> Cricket, also cricket, you tried to rewrite it after I spent months working on a rewrite already designed for 1.8
<+minecreatr> and you decided you hated it because you didn't make it
<+Cricket> and it sucked minecreatr
<+minecreatr> how?
<+Cricket> being completely frank it was laggy as hell
<+joshiejack> I wish i liked popcorn
<+Cricket> and I told you this, I have the logs and you did nothing about this
<+Cricket> i'm done
<+Vexatos> joshiejack, do penguins not like popcorn? ._.
<+minecreatr> Im actually currently working on lag optimization xD
<+Cricket> I've said what I need. You won't change my opinion, Good day

<+LatvianModder> man, when will I get my own rant and drama, eh? So boring
<+Lordmau5> Latvian is such a nerd
<+Lordmau5> can we all settle on that drama train now?
<+LatvianModder> Im drama queen
<+LatvianModder> Thats literally only thing I do at school
<+Lordmau5> hehe xD

<+Drullkus> o.o
<+tterrag> Cricket: the problem with that list of things you said is that the community didn't ASK you to do any of it
<+tterrag> now - you have one minor thing that they ARE asking you to do
<+tterrag> and you won't
<+Vexatos> Cricket, you see how egoistic this is? You make it impossible for anyone to create chisel addons for any of the versions.
<+Vexatos> it's like smoking inside of a train or bus.
<+minecreatr> also Cricket , you could have helped to try to improve what I already made and make it less laggy
<+minecreatr> like I am currently doing now
<+LatvianModder> I dont really get whats the code-wise reason for not changing the mod ID to smth like Chisel3
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, "I don't want to"
<+minecreatr> you could have helped us instead of sticking your feet in the mud
<+LatvianModder> Oh, the best kind of reason then
<+LatvianModder> Right. Carry on
<+fry> "Drama free modding. Must love cats"
* way2muchnoise stands with fry
<+Vexatos> two mods having the same mod ID definitely is an argument that belongs here as much as anywhere.
<+LatvianModder> haha, yeah. I was just throwing gifs around, some people get waay too excited
<+tterrag> LatvianModder: https://twitter.com/TheCricket26/status/713637666558984192
<+tterrag> that's how the conversation ended last time
<+Drullkus> I thought this chat was declared a demilitarized zone
<+way2muchnoise> two mods having the same id is an issue, one of both authors just has to be the grown up and change his
<+Drullkus> Er, Channel
<+LatvianModder> Wait, tterrag arent you Chisel dev too?
<+Drullkus> Yes
<+LatvianModder> Them im completly lost
<+Lordmau5> One idea no one wants to hear would be: community vote on the FTB subreddit or somewhere
<+Drullkus> Minecreatr, and tterrag are Chisel Team devs, Cricket is Chisel3, and I apply the goods
<+LatvianModder> Twitter poll it is. Reposted here and in reddit
<+Drullkus> supply the goods* like a drug dealer
<+Lordmau5> I'm not even kidding
<+Drullkus> LatvianModder: You don't wanna post a poll to Reddit, trust me
<+LatvianModder> Drullkus: yeah I know you do amazing textures.. right?
<+fry> easy: you both change it, to a new string. and it's still the same for both mods :D
<+Drullkus> Greenphelm is going to kick anything remotely related to drama out of orbit
<+LatvianModder> Drullkus: why now? I got a really good feedback last 2 times I did it
<+LatvianModder> oh
<+LatvianModder> drama. right.
<+way2muchnoise> lol fry
<+Lordmau5> inb4 both change it to chisel-reloaded
<+Vexatos> Drullkus, then politely ask greenphlem not to
<+minecreatr> sorry about all the drama, someone brought it up and I was defending myself
<+Drullkus> I don't really want to get tangled up in this mess again, Vexatos :/
<+Lordmau5> The issue is not there right now - I have to mention that!
<+Greenphlem> Vexatos: ? Can someone catch me up?
<+Lordmau5> Reason being that only Chisel-Team's Chisel is out right now
<+Vexatos> So it'll stay unresolved, i.e. Cricket wins? :3
<+Drullkus> LatvianModder: And yes, I'm the one who mades the delicious textures :D
<+LatvianModder> nobody wins. this is democracy
<+LatvianModder> lets vote
<+Vexatos> Greenphlem, both chisel versions have the same mod ID, making addons for either isn't possible. Drama.
<+Lordmau5> "Drama"
<+Lordmau5> legitimate issues, rather
<+Vexatos> Yes
<+Greenphlem> Oh Jesus.. this again
<+Vexatos> Indeed
<+LatvianModder> Drullkus: amazing. Then you will make textures for all my Carved mod blocks xP :D
<+Drullkus> Lol
<+Greenphlem> But what did I have to do with this?
<+Drullkus> Where do I sign up
<+LatvianModder> :D
<+Vexatos> Greenphlem, TL;DR: Chisel Team wants argument, Cricket just ignores any
<+Vexatos> something something reddit post
<+Vexatos> not sure
<+Vexatos> >_>
<+Lordmau5> I suggested a community-poll / vote
<+Vexatos> ^
<+tterrag> I don't *want* an argument
<+minecreatr> same
<+Drullkus> ^
<+Lordmau5> which would be the best way to settle this, imo
<+Vexatos> but Cricket wouldn't listen to that anyway
<+minecreatr> I have responded when Cricket talks
<+minecreatr> Cricket brings it up
<+Greenphlem> Last I heard, cricket would not budge
<+minecreatr> says some stuff
<+minecreatr> then says he wants nothing to do with drama
<+LatvianModder> Shall I make it? Or tterrag? Because I definetly dont care about my reputation so its alright :P
<+Greenphlem> Also, didn't he stop development on his chisel anyway?
<+fry> no, community vote is the absolute worst way to "resolve" this
<+Drullkus> ^
<+Vexatos> exactly, Greenphlem. He doesn't care about the community so a reddit poll wouldn't make a difference
<+LatvianModder> :D
<+Lordmau5> well okay, sorry for bringing that suggestion up then :/
<+Drullkus> Vexatos: Correct! Very
<+LatvianModder> fry: what do you suggest then?
<+Lordmau5> but this is not going anywhere...
<Drullkus> Lordmau5: It was a shot
<+fry> someone go find this person lol http://www.minecraftforum.net/members/AUTOMATIC_MAIDEN
<+Drullkus> LatvianModder: Honestly I just ignore it
<+way2muchnoise> make the id ch1s3l
<+Lordmau5> oh, now that's an idea
<+Vexatos> so fry, @Optional.Interface(modid="Chisel", version="[3.0.1.fish,)") when :>
<+Greenphlem> Yeah keep this between yourself guys. Community knows nothing about what's going on anyway.. it'll just bring it to more people
<+Drullkus> fry: That was attepted long ago
<+Lordmau5> > long ago
<+tterrag> fry: they are well and truly gone
<+Drullkus> attempted*
<+Lordmau5> define?
<+Drullkus> Like, months back
<+tterrag> no one has been able to contact them for years
<+Vexatos> I still want versions on @Optional ._.
<+fry> make a PR? :P
<+Jared> wait, fry asie told me that sometimes automatic_maiden hangs out on 4chan mcg
<+Vexatos> would allow me to support GT 5 and 6 simultaneously, would also solve the chisel issue ._.
<+Drullkus> Vexatos: One of the best ways to do this iirc is to check if class exists by string reference or something
<+Drullkus> As for API
<+Vexatos> fry, have you looked at that part of code? @API versions aren't even used anywhere yet, it's all a giant mess
<+tterrag> Jared: you go see what happens if you go to 4cahn and post "is automatic maiden here?"
<+Lordmau5> lmao
<+Drullkus> I don't even use 4chan
<+Jared> tterrag, heh wouldn't end well xD
<+LatvianModder> "Last active Mon" oh, so he is around! "...Feb, 24 2014 14:58:25" Oh.
<+Drullkus> haha
<+way2muchnoise> lol
<+Lordmau5> hmm
<+minecreatr> I emailed him actually a while ago......
<+minecreatr> never got a response
<+Lordmau5> someone hack the MCforum servers and get the mail!
<+Drullkus> minecreatr: Months back*
<+Lordmau5> hmm k then
<+minecreatr> he lives somewhere in russia
<+minecreatr> managed to find his email by digging
<+Drullkus> minecreatr is a stalker!
<+minecreatr> old chisel package name
<+minecreatr> then whois for that domain
<+LatvianModder> clever
<+minecreatr> then google name and find linkedin page
<+minecreatr> then email
<+way2muchnoise> lol minecreatr that is some stalker magic
<+tterrag> I guarantee it's not the first time he's been contacted. it's very likely he got it and ignored it
* way2muchnoise does that all the time :p
<+minecreatr> yeah
<+Drullkus> I learned that minecreatr was a stalker a few months back :P
<+Lordmau5> way2muchnoise, that makes your name ironic though
<+LatvianModder> so, wait, what were we talking about? BTM > chisel > drama > chisel > stalking
<Drullkus> Lordmau5: I'm having some issues trying to make sense of what you just said...?
<+way2muchnoise> I guess you could find my mail by whoising my domain :p
<+Lordmau5> > stalking
<+Lordmau5> > way2much said he does that "all the time"
<+Lordmau5> > way too much noise
<+Lordmau5> yea
<+LatvianModder> HU HA
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, at the end of the day, the issue remains unresolved, one half suffers from it, the other one doesn't and thus doesn't care, noone is happy, the end
<+Drullkus> oooh
<+minecreatr> most stalking can be blocked by a simple whois guard
<+LatvianModder> Vexatos: lovely story. Tell me it again one day
<+Vexatos> LatvianModder, one upon a time there was a chisel
<+Drullkus> Vexatos: I don't think Chisel-Team suffers anything, neither does Chisel-3
<+Lordmau5> you already messed it up, Vex xD
<+Vexatos> once* I can type sometimes I swear
<+LatvianModder> Probably will repeat with another multi-dev mod in few days anyway. That's why my one rule is No other devs. Just me. PRs are fine. But No. Other. Devs.
<+minecreatr> yeah
<+Greenphlem> Okay but regardless, didn't Cricket state he wasn't working on his anymore?
<+Lordmau5> this was the result of the Chisel Team splitting up though
<+minecreatr> not directly, but yes
<+Jared> Greenphlem, he also said that he was stopping modding a few weeks ago
<+Drullkus> Greenphlem: Correct, but he's started again I think?
<+minecreatr> yeah
<+Jared> and then released a new mod the next day
<+fry> it's very possible to work with anybody, if you're prepared to step over your own ego :P
<+Drullkus> https://twitter.com/TheCricket26/status/717083471022305280
<+tterrag> in case no one remembers - I initially started a solo version of chisel, then I *joined* cricket's team - then I left it. everything else that happened was not me :P
<+Greenphlem> Then how is this a problem
<+fry> also, the amount of gossip in here is too damn high
<+minecreatr> but then recently he said he was doing chisel again
<+Drullkus> ^
<+minecreatr> me tterrag and Drullkus have been working on our chisel for a while
<+Lordmau5> ah, didn't know that, tterrag
<+LatvianModder> fry: /ban *
<+Drullkus> He told me it was for FTB but that was determined a lie by FTB
<+minecreatr> every once in a while, Cricket comes in and starts spouting drama
<+Cricket> I didn't tell you shit
<+way2muchnoise> fry: this isn't really gossip as everyone is here
* Cricket goes back to lurking
<+Drullkus> Cricket: On discord?
<+Lordmau5> How's the popcorn :p
<+minecreatr> and then Cricket references legal stuff
<+minecreatr> he says hes under nda
<tterrag> Lordmau5: hey, instead of this, let's play rocket league :P
<+minecreatr> and lots of otehr crazy stuff
<+Cricket> #MindGames
<+Lordmau5> Sounds like a good plan! I'll finish the logs though
<+Drullkus> Um
<+Drullkus> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/gc3iqlckhpwpobm/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-23%20at%2012.32.02%20PM.png
<+minecreatr> he once said that mojang/microsoft asked him to make his chisel
<+Lordmau5> wat
<+Cricket> get the log
<+minecreatr> and that they like his better
<+Cricket> get the log
<+LatvianModder> Oh cmon guys. I forgot. I specifcally created #DramaAlert IRC channel for Drama. Shit. Shoudve remembered :D
<+Drullkus> Greenphlem: I know. I thought he was interested in being friends again after I apologized. I guess I've been made a fool again
<+Greenphlem> Yeah, I'm out. No more about this should be here
<+Lordmau5> So this sets the end of this discussion?
<+Drullkus> I'm done talking yes
<+Lordmau5> Okay - time for Rocket League then, tterrag
<Vexatos> Lordmau5, would mean cricket wins for the time being again >_>
<+Drullkus> I need to finish my website, it's due tomorrow.
<+Lordmau5> well, we can still bring it up once he actually releases *something*, Vexatos ;)
<+way2muchnoise> something we can see Drullkus ?
<+Lordmau5> pretty sure issues will arise again if modid's stay the same
<+Drullkus> way2muchnoise: It's for class, but sure