ChaosNewt about random thoughts

[00:00] <waffles> there are voices in your head that aren't tulpas though. it's important not to confuse the two
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Why?
[00:00] <mayday> how do you not confuse them?
[00:00] <waffles> well, a tulpa will generally be consistent in what it says
[00:00] <waffles> basically act like a peron talking to you
[00:00] <waffles> voices will be all over the place
[00:00] <waffles> just like random thoughts that pop into your head
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> No, before all that, why is it important to make the distinction?
[00:00] <waffles> because random thoughts do pop into your head, even now
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Not me.
[00:00] <Alordex> I dont have a voice for my thoughts, I just understand them. My tulpas have a distinct edge to their 'voices' per say
[00:00] <SuperFloree[M]{F}> lol
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Secondly.
[00:00] <Zoe[I|S}> F\ That's how it is for me, too, Alordex.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Random thoughts can easily be tulpa invoked.
[00:00] <waffles> yes, which is perhaps what marks them clearly as a tulpa
[00:00] <waffles> on the other hand, when you expect a voice you might hear one
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[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Any method of talking to yourself inside your head can be utilized by a tulpa.
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[00:00] <waffles> which isn't necessarily a tulpa. all that is changed is your own expectation.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> When you say, "Oh, the random voices aren't your tulpa," you're cutting off legitimate methods of tulpa-host communication.
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[00:00] <SuperFloree[M]{F}> brb imma eat
[00:00] <waffles> no, see, if a random voice is heard, then it is a random voice and not a tulpa
[00:00] <Makeshift58> imma eat to
[00:00] <waffles> so I'm not cutting anything off
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Yes, you are.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Not for yourself, but for the people you're "advising."
[00:00] <mayday> ohh.. what if I can't focus really well in the process of making my tulpa? like Ive been trying and sometimes my mind just wanders off or I cant imagine her really well
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> "Random voice" is easily a tool a tulpa will use.
[00:00] <waffles> just try to stay focused then. obviously you can't stay focused all the time, that's impossible
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> If you have such an arrangement in your head, then a tulpa is able to utilize it.
[00:00] <waffles> practice will make you better
[00:00] <waffles> no, see, a voice in your head is necessarily not effected by a tulpa
[00:00] <mayday> lol I feel really stupid
[00:00] <waffles> otherwise it would be a tulpa's voice
[00:00] <JohnDeer> I remember that for ages before I made TLO I heard Whispers in my head saying "Make her Real."
[00:00] <waffles> and not a random voice
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> waffles: Not at all.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> A tulpa can easily communicate to you through "random thoughts."
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[00:00] <waffles> no, not if they are random
[00:00] <waffles> that's like saying that
[00:00] <mayday> in yalls opinion what step is most important?
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> You're not getting it.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> "Random" doesn't mean anything.
[00:00] <mayday> as the first step I mean
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[00:00] <waffles> just getting a feel for who your tulpa is
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> You're basically telling someone to ignore anything out of the ordinary.
[00:00] <JohnDeer> Spontaneous sounds a more Appropriate term.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> There's no such thing as a "true random thought."
[00:00] <waffles> and being able to focus on them as an idea
[00:00] <waffles> sure there is. like if a thought just pops into your head
[00:00] <waffles> ok
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> mayday: Acknowledging the tulpa is there already.
[00:00] <waffles> that's not made by a tulpa. say you have no tulpa
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Conscious, sensing, forming.
[00:00] <waffles> so this thought, not being consciously thought by you, is in effect random
[00:00] <JohnDeer> Waffles, I didn't have one either Officially but She was born months before I made Her Body :/
[00:00] <mayday> IS the tulpa here already, but I just haven't solified it?
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> waffles: >in effect
[00:00] <waffles> in concept, yes, but don't get too carried away
[00:00] <waffles> it doesn't mean that you don't have to make them sentient and everything
[00:00] <mayday> like it exists but I just haven't addressed her or the possibility of her?
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[00:00] <waffles> so use it as a motivational tool if you want, but not an excuse to not work
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[00:00] <waffles> well, she exists in that you have thought about her now
[00:00] <waffles> the idea is that fundamentally, that's all you need
[00:00] <mayday> ok.. I understand better now..
[00:00] <waffles> then you build upon that
[00:00] <mayday> do I have to sit and think on it or can I think about my tulpa while doing things?
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> What you're saying has no use to a starting tulpamancer.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> The issue is determining which thoughts are random and which aren't random.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> Which a newbie isn't liable to be able to do 100% perfectly.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> mayday: Exactly.
[00:00] <mayday> which one would be better
[00:00] <waffles> you want to do some of both
[00:00] <waffles> so if you have a chance, sit down and spend time with her
[00:00] <mayday> ohh.. ok
[00:00] <waffles> but also, as you are going about your day, talk to her
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> mayday: Once you realize you have another person in your head, the goal with training is to train to do now what you plan to do later, when you've imposed her.
[00:00] <waffles> ChaosNewt, like I said, random thoughts aren't consistent in what they say whereas a tulpa is.
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[00:00] <mayday> I've thought about her appearance.. but I just need to imagine her and talk to her? Im just confused. lol
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> If you want to see your tulpa all the time, visualize your tulpa all the time.
[00:00] <Zoe[I|L|S}> F\ Yes, talking to her is good.
[00:00] <Zoe[I|L|S}> F\ And necessary.
[00:00] <waffles> basically yes, but read some creation guides on the forum as well
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> If you want to see your tulpa while your eyes are open in broad daylight, practice visualizing her in broad daylight with your eyes open.
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[00:00] <mayday> ok.. I got it I think
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> waffles: An early tulpa's "random thoughts" might not be entirely consistent.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> You're trying to put a shortcut where there isn't one.
[00:00] <mayday> are tulpas good friends?
[00:00] <waffles> I am providing a point of discretion
[00:00] <waffles> yes, they are
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[00:00] <ChaosNewt> No advice is going to allow a new tulpamancer to suddenly know 100% what thought belong to who.
[00:00] <mayday> do they like tv?
[00:00] <Zoe[I|L|S}> F\ They can.
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> That's something everyone needs to learn.
[00:00] <Zoe[I|L|S}> F\ A tulpa is another person, mayday.
[00:00] <waffles> because initially, a tulpa is absolutely nothing at all. that doesn't mean that a tulpa is nothing, if you see what I mean
[00:00] <waffles> and that's fine, it can be learned
[00:00] <waffles> but not so much without knowing that it must be
[00:00] <waffles> and there is guidance
[00:00] <mayday> well.. Im off to try and visualize some more. Thanks guys!
[00:00] <Zoe[I|L|S}> F\ Bye mayday!
[00:00] <ChaosNewt> NP.
[00:00] <waffles> no problem.