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FRR2 Venusaur% routing

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  1. Mewtwo is obviously faster, but Venusaur is more fun!
  2.  
  3. Catch gauntlet moveset: Sleep Powder/Return/Razor Leaf/Secret Power
  4.  
  5. E4R1:
  6. - MOVESET: Substitute/Return/Mimic/Giga Drain
  7. - Take Ch'ding and Lapras (kill both for Champ 1)
  8.  
  9. E4R2:
  10. - MOVESET: Swords Dance/Sludge Bomb/Earthquake/Substitute
  11. - SAVE for Lorelei
  12. - Lorelei: SD x2, SB, SD, SB x2, EQ x2
  13. - Bruno: Guard Spec., SD x3, EQ x5
  14. - Equip Lum Berry for Agatha and SAVE
  15. - Agatha: Substitute, Full Restore, X Speed, SD x3, SB+SB, SB, SB+SB, SB+SB, EQ
  16. - Lance: Substitute, SD x4, X Speed, SB x5
  17. - Champion: (Lead Intimidate slave), Guard Spec., SD x2, X Speed, SB, EQ x2, SB x3 (favorable Gyarados range)
  18. MOVESET PROGRESSION:
  19. - Tackle/Vine Whip/Sleep Powder/Razor Leaf
  20. - Secret Power/Vine Whip/Sleep Powder/Razor Leaf
  21. - Secret Power/Return/Sleep Powder/Razor Leaf
  22. - Earthquake/Return/Mimic/Giga Drain
  23. - Earthquake/Return/Swords Dance/Giga Drain
  24. - Earthquake/Return/Swords Dance/Sludge Bomb
  25. - Earthquake/Substitute/Swords Dance/Sludge Bomb
  26.  
  27. MAJOR NOTES:
  28. - Need L63-64 for Lorelei 2 to outspeed Jynx (depends on Speed IV)
  29. - If Lorelei 2 Dewgong uses Ice Beam, use Substitute to PP stall or force Signal Beam/Surf
  30. 1: SD (Ice Beam)
  31. 2: Sub (Ice Beam)
  32. 3: Full Restore (Ice Beam)
  33. 4: Sub (Ice Beam)
  34. 5: Full Restore
  35. 6: Etc.
  36.  
  37. WEAKENING:
  38. - Caterpie: Tackle
  39. - Weedle: Tackle
  40. - Pikachu: Tackle/VW
  41. - Spearow: Tackle
  42. - Jigglypuff: Sleep Powder(+Tackle) (50 or 100%)
  43. - Gastly: Sleep Powder (100/78/50%)
  44. - Cubone: Sleep Powder
  45. - Pikachu: Sleep Powder
  46. - Voltorb: Sleep Powder
  47. - Magnemite: Secret Power
  48. - Growlithe: Anything
  49. - Raticate: Anything
  50. - Pidgeotto: Sleep Powder (78%) or Secret Power
  51. - Gloom: Sleep Powder (78%)
  52. - Venonat: Sleep Powder
  53. - Exeggcute: Secret Power + Sleep Powder
  54. - Drowzee: Razor Leaf (has Insomniac)
  55. - Hypno: Secret Power + Sleep Powder
  56. - Ponyta: Sleep Powder
  57. - Fearow: Varies
  58. - Psyduck: Sleep Powder
  59. - Mankey: YOLO ball (has Vital Spirit)
  60. - Machop: Sleep Powder
  61. - Onix: EQ + Sleep Powder
  62. - CATCH STUFF LIKE WEEZING, ELECTABUZZ AND ONIX WITH SLEEP POWDER + DAMAGING MOVE (62 or 78%)
  63. - Master Ball Snorlax?
  64.  
  65. UPDATE late 10/13:
  66. - Hyper Beam might be worth it
  67. - Get L49 for Sabrina? Then optionally 223 exp. in mansion to get L50 for Rapidash
  68. - Fight Goldeen trainer, Tackle+VW Staryu, then candy from 21-->22 for Rival 2 (or maybe 21-->23)
  69. - Skip Moon Ether, then center for Misty
  70.  
  71. HYPER BEAM PROS
  72. vine whip for hideout -1
  73. tm teach happiness -1
  74. lavender rival -6
  75. golbat -6
  76. exeggcute -5
  77. erika -5
  78. less healing for koga -1
  79. koga boom backup -2
  80. koga weezing -7
  81. marowak -1
  82. sabrina -3
  83. blaine -16 (-11 with 30 IV, -19 with 31 IV)
  84. koffing 2 -1
  85. paxton -1
  86. cooltrainer -5
  87. lorelei 1 -1
  88. bruno -5
  89. champ 1 -2
  90. sandslash -2
  91. exec 1 -5
  92. exec 2 -7
  93. eq teach menu -2
  94. early giga drain -0 (-8 vs. -8)
  95. TOTAL -85
  96.  
  97. HYPER BEAM CONS
  98. time to buy +8
  99. time to teach +14
  100. money +9 (sells 4 TMs for $5500)
  101. pp +7
  102. no sp for weakening +15
  103. extra fly for mimic +8 (can efficiently fly back for meowth, growlithe, etc.)
  104. no RL+GD for lorelei +4
  105. pp item for e4r1 +10
  106. warehouse hypnos +5
  107. late-game exp +5
  108. TOTAL +85
  109.  
  110. ***UPDATE: Teach Giga Drain over Razor Leaf for Silph Co. (but skip Hyper Beam)? Then do 2 X Attacks on Cooltrainer to make PP work. Need PP item for E4R1, though***
  111. ***UPDATE 2: Get Hyper Beam (helps on sidequests), and maybe teach Giga Drain early since you can't skip E4R1 PP item without YOLOing Lorelei with Razor Leaf? Helps with Silph Co. and Viridian Gym (save healing time/items) and Hypno. Main problem is Cooltrainer***
  112. ***UPDATE 3: Always get Hyper Beam with 31 Attack and 27+ Speed? Always skip with 30 Attack and <27 Speed? Everything else is very close
  113.  
  114. WITHOUT HYPER BEAM:
  115. return/secret power/razor leaf/sleep powder (sevii islands)
  116. return/mimic/razor leaf/sleep powder (before flying to viridian gym)
  117. return/mimic/earthquake/sleep powder (viridian rival and victory road)
  118. return/mimic/earthquake/giga drain (e4)
  119.  
  120. return/hyper beam/razor leaf/sleep powder (sevii islands through victory road)
  121. return/hyper beam/giga drain/mimic (e4)
  122. return/hyper beam/swords dance/sludge bomb
  123. return/earthquake/swords dance/sludge bomb
  124. substitute/earthquake/swords dance/sludge bomb
  125.  
  126. STAT THRESHOLDS:
  127. ATK: 29
  128. DEF: 5/0
  129. SP. ATK: 25 (?)
  130. SP. DEF: 5/0 (?)
  131. SPEED: 24
  132.  
  133. -----
  134.  
  135. EARLY EXP COMPARISONS (21-->23 candy vs. 19-->21)
  136.  
  137. PROS:
  138. - 51s save candy (possibly more since you want to candy 5x before juggler)
  139. - 2s delay cerulean candy
  140. - 20s rival 2
  141. - 1s nb1 kakuna
  142. - 1s nb2 pidgey
  143. - 1s nb rocket ekans
  144. - 1s nb rocket zubat
  145. - 3s drowzee
  146. - 6s alicia 2nd oddish
  147. - 11s faster rock tunnel hiker
  148. TOTAL: -97s
  149.  
  150. CONS:
  151. - 33s goldeen
  152. - 6s misty
  153. - 2s cerulean pp management
  154. - 47s fisherman
  155. TOTAL: +88s
  156.  
  157. ------------------
  158.  
  159. PROS:
  160. - 21s rival 2
  161. - 5s nugget bridge
  162. - 8s faster route 25 hiker
  163. - 2s drowzee
  164. - 6s alicia 2nd oddish
  165. - 11s faster rock tunnel hiker
  166.  
  167. CONS:
  168. - 49s fisherman
  169.  
  170. ------------------------------------------------------
  171.  
  172. X ATTACKS:
  173. - lavender rival
  174. - erika
  175. - (erika)
  176. - koga
  177. - koga
  178. - (koga)
  179. - silph rival
  180. - silph rival
  181. - silph rival
  182. - silph giovanni
  183. - (sabrina)
  184. - blaine
  185. - (blackbelt)
  186. - cooltrainer
  187. - ((cooltrainer))
  188. - viridian rival
  189. - viridian rival
  190. - viridian rival
  191. - viridian rival
  192. - lorelei 1/blaine
  193. - bruno 1
  194. - bruno 1
  195. - bruno 1
  196. - agatha 1
  197. - agatha 1
  198. - agatha 1
  199. - champ 1
  200. - champ 1
  201. - champ 1
  202. - champ 1
  203. - champ 1
  204. - (champ 1)
  205.  
  206. -----
  207.  
  208. EARLY GIGA DRAIN
  209.  
  210. juggler -1.7
  211. silph co. -1.6
  212. catches -2.0
  213. virid gym +1.0
  214. virid rival +1.3
  215.  
  216. TOTAL -3.0
  217.  
  218. normally have to pick up 4 healing items (+5.0 for last one)
  219. now have to pick up 4 (but they are less replaceable by super potions, so add +0.8)
  220. (NOTE: depends on how viridian rival fight ends up)
  221.  
  222. TOTAL +0.8
  223.  
  224. skip sevii island mart (-22.0)
  225.  
  226. TOTAL -22.0
  227.  
  228. fuchsia mart movement (+3.6)
  229. less ball flexibility (+1.1)
  230. less happiness for silph and sabrina (+0.3)
  231. cerulean mart sell (+8.6)
  232. sell 2 fewer in celadon (-3.7)
  233. viridian rival (+0.4)
  234. fewer e4 healing items (+0.8)
  235. pick up ultra ball (+3.1)
  236. one fewer ultra ball (+2.4)
  237.  
  238. TOTAL +16.7
  239.  
  240. GRAND TOTAL -7.5
  241.  
  242. -----
  243.  
  244. EARLY GIGA DRAIN (NO HYPER BEAM)
  245.  
  246. juggler -1.6
  247. silph co. -2.0
  248. catches -0.2
  249. virid gym -4.8
  250. virid rival +1.5
  251. eq menu -2.0
  252.  
  253. TOTAL -9.1
  254.  
  255. normally have to pick up 4 healing items (+4.5 for last one)
  256. now have to pick up 4 (but they are less replaceable by super potions, and you'll have fewer supers w/o hyper beam, so add +1.1)
  257. (NOTE: depends on how viridian rival fight ends up)
  258.  
  259. TOTAL +1.1
  260.  
  261. skip sevii island mart (-22.0)
  262.  
  263. TOTAL -22.0
  264.  
  265. fuchsia mart movement (+3.6)
  266. less ball flexibility (+0.6)
  267. less happiness for silph and sabrina (+0.1)
  268. 1 more super potion (-2.6)
  269. sell 2 tms in cerulean (+8.6)
  270. no x acc (+2.2)
  271. don't sell tms in celadon (-9.0)
  272. viridian rival (+0.5)
  273. fewer e4 healing items (+0.8)
  274. max repel flexibility (+0.5)
  275. max repel rebuy (+2.6)
  276.  
  277. TOTAL +7.9
  278.  
  279. no RL+GD for lorelei (+4)
  280. pp item for e4r1 (+10)
  281.  
  282. TOTAL +14
  283.  
  284. GRAND TOTAL -8.1
  285.  
  286. ------------------------------------------------------
  287.  
  288. balls
  289.  
  290. diglett 78% 1.28
  291. pika 100%
  292. mag/volt 100%
  293. growlithe 100%
  294. koffing 100%
  295. raticate 78% 1.28
  296. oddish 78% (flex) 1.28
  297. gloom 78% 1.28
  298. pidgey 78% (flex) 1.28
  299. pidgeotto 78% 1.28
  300. meowth 78% (flex) 1.28
  301. drowzee 100%
  302. hypno 53% 1.88
  303. ponyta 100%
  304. psyduck 100%
  305. mankey 100% (switch to lapras)
  306. ekans 78% (flex) 1.28
  307. machop 100%
  308. arbok 80% 1.25
  309.  
  310. TOTAL: 3.37 breakouts
  311.  
  312. ------------------------------------------------------
  313.  
  314. After much deliberation...
  315. - Stat thresholds:
  316. > HP: 10
  317. > Attack: x/x/28
  318. > Defense: 12/x/x
  319. > Sp. Atk: x/19/x
  320. > Sp. Def: x/x/x
  321. > Speed: x/24/x
  322. - Hyper Beam is a flex strat. Everything is the same until you get Return
  323. - Don't evolve in Silph Co.
  324. - Favor Hyper Beam under the following conditions (in order of importance):
  325. > 31 IV Attack
  326. > High Pokemon count (can safely buy 22 Ultra Balls)
  327. > 31 IV Speed
  328. > 29-30 IV Speed (gets mansion Carbos)
  329. > High Poke/Great Ball count
  330. > Lonely nature
  331. - Speed IV effects:
  332. > 31: 0 Carbos without Hyper Beam, 1 with | Ties Kadabra, outspeeds Sabrina
  333. > 30: 0 Carbos without Hyper Beam, 2 with | Ties Kadabra, outspeeds Sabrina
  334. > 29: 1 Carbos without Hyper Beam, 2 with | Ties Kadabra, outspeeds Sabrina
  335. > 28: 1 Carbos without Hyper Beam, 2 + 1 extra Speed EV with | Ties Kadabra, outspeeds Sabrina
  336. > 27: 2 Carbos, must get L54 | Slower than Kadabra, tied with Sabrina
  337. > 26: 2 Carbos, must get L54 | Slower than Kadabra, tied with Sabrina
  338. > 25: 2 Carbos, must get L54 | Slower than Kadabra, slower than Sabrina
  339. > 24: 2 Carbos, must get L54 and 3 extra Speed EVs | Slower than Kadabra, slower than Sabrina
  340. - Save for:
  341. > Viridian Rival (bad Defense only)
  342. > Lance 1
  343. > Champion 1
  344. > Lorelei 2
  345. > Agatha 2
  346. > Champion 2 (if no Intimidate slave)
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