EndoKermit

EndoGames: I've been critical of the solver (believe me, long before any of you knew it was coming, I 'rejected' the idea about 4 times before it was public) but it's nice that it's quick to identify when more niche heroes are used in a solve

EndoGames: Like Fir, or 5-12-6 and things

APR 28 - 11:45AM
zepko: Endo, yes, the DQ solver is not as bad as I imagined

oliver4657: Well there are alot of improvements you can do with it

zepko: the quest solver is, though

oliver4657: Turning of monsters is one thing that would be nice

Krowi_Placek: ice: so atron85 or rua.4

oliver4657: Turning of specific heroes is another

APR 28 - 11:46AM
Icewizard263: I'd at least try how atron does the work for let's say a day

Icewizard263: and if the results are bad you can return to rua.4

Icewizard263: season end is in 3 weeks anyway

EndoGames: I told Gaia we should enable a 'select number of units' option in the quest solver because it's not very good at looking for results of 4 or 5, but he said it is, it's probably just not fast.

Icewizard263: and nothing on ladder matters before the last week before deadline

APR 28 - 11:47AM
Krowi_Placek: results for rua are pretty good

zonfry: it wont use less units unless that less unit has higher damage than the 6 units

lollerblade1: endo, for what i've seen

Icewizard263: I'm surprised it doesn't simple get nepp'ed out of the way in 1 shot

lollerblade1: it uses lep if you start the calculation with lep only in the lineup

APR 28 - 11:48AM
lollerblade1: if you start from blank or with other units on the grid, it won't use lep

Icewizard263: yeah Endo solvers aren't super bad

Icewizard263: Also it seems the tournament solver did great for Knynye yesterday

zonfry: i had to give it the first 4 units for my dq solve yesterday before it would find a valid solve

Icewizard263: 3rd place + 3rd WR

Icewizard263: Assuming he used it ofc

oliver4657: Dont think he did

APR 28 - 11:49AM
Krowi_Placek: what are new season heroes?

oliver4657: Krowi we dont know

Icewizard263: Ask in 23 days when season ends

oliver4657: ^^

Icewizard263: We on't even know the theme so far

APR 28 - 11:50AM
Krowi_Placek: so aurora become silver pass?

Icewizard263: yes

Krowi_Placek: damn my rose isnt even lvl50 :D

APR 28 - 11:51AM
Icewizard263: btw about that I don't actually remember - did you ended up including that silver pass cost depending on the number of weeks since the start of previous season or sth similar, Endo.

APR 28 - 11:52AM
Icewizard263: So silver pass would cost 25000-1000*number_of_weeks UM or sth.

oliver4657: Just keep it at 5K

APR 28 - 11:53AM
oliver4657: That idea just sounded horrible overall

Santiagod240: I would just wait as long as possible to buy it then

oliver4657: Not how it would owrk

oliver4657: Might wanna read hwat he said again

Icewizard263: it would be capped at 5k obviously

APR 28 - 11:54AM
PiratePete: I'd maybe wait for enough AS for the Hero to be useful, but I don't like the "feel" of that idea.

Santiagod240: Sounds unnecessarily convoluted

APR 28 - 11:55AM
PiratePete: I can see the reasoning behind it, though. You pay more for "early access" to the Hero, just like people that paid Kreds got it earlier.

APR 28 - 11:56AM
oliver4657: Well usally early access doesnt cost 5x the realese price lol

APR 28 - 11:58AM
Krowi_Placek: 8k on start, -100UM per day untill 5k? so it take 30days to be regular price

Krowi_Placek: or sth like that?

oliver4657: ?___?

oliver4657: Icewizard263: So silver pass would cost 25000-1000*number_of_weeks UM or sth.

APR 28 - 11:59AM
Krowi_Placek: thats too bad :D

APR 28 - 12:00PM
PiratePete: I could see more reason to reduce the Kreds cost of the Gold Pass when the end-date of a Season was known than to change the UM cost over time.

Krowi_Placek: I just wonder how to make that bit fair

APR 28 - 12:01PM
PiratePete: But calculating how much was "fair" would be tricky.

oliver4657: Well 25K is not it cheif, tahts 125 dollars of um

APR 28 - 12:02PM
PiratePete: Hell there should definitely be a warning in the game if someone is about to buy the Gold Pass close to when the Season ends, that the Hero will be moving to the Silver Pass soon.

EndoGames: You're not understanding what the proposal was, but no it hasn't been decided, I know Gaia wanted to make adjustments to Season Pass

APR 28 - 12:03PM
oliver4657: So has knynye started working on his hero? :D

EndoGames: The 25k price would start on week 1 of the previous Season, so the cost would be 25k-1k per week based on the length of the previous Season

Krowi_Placek: do we know when NEXT season will end? coz I think we never know that

EndoGames: So the faster Seasons would be released, the more it would cost

EndoGames: It's on the forums Krowi

oliver4657: Krowi We told you like 5-10 mi nago

EndoGames: and has been for weeks

oliver4657: Jesus christ

EndoGames: https://www.kongregate.com/forums/910715-cosmos-quest/topics/1818862-season-8-end-date-season-9-information

APR 28 - 12:04PM
berkecan: He meant the next, i guess

berkecan: Season 9 end date

PiratePete: I understand, ThePlayerFormerlyKnownAsKermit, but I hadn't read it before Ice mentioned it and was going off that.

Krowi_Placek: yeah coz sometimes it's late than it should

oliver4657: I cant even, Il come back in an hour or so

APR 28 - 12:05PM
Krowi_Placek: as i remember winter or autumn

Santiagod240: Having more expensive Silver Passes would definitely give me pause

PiratePete: Also, as I always bring up, we have a SUPPOSED end date, but until it happens I expect some variation of Valve Time to take effect. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

Santiagod240: If the hero isn't good enough for my group I might not get it if it is significantly more than 5k

jj75alive: why 25k um silver pass??

PiratePete: It's not that I don't believe it's going to happen, just that I believe it MIGHT not happen then.

longshotbobbert: What affects the amount energy the research gives you?

jj75alive: that's BS

PiratePete: jj: No, that's not it.

oliver4657: ..................

APR 28 - 12:06PM
Icewizard263: I just love how people can't read xD

oliver4657: It pisses me off for some reason

PiratePete: Basically, if this season lasted for 10 weeks, the next seasons Silver Pass would be 15k. If this one was 15 weeks, next SP would be 10k.

oliver4657: Tilts me of the planet

APR 28 - 12:07PM
EndoGames: The idea was that the price of the Season Pass would be based on the length of the Season that proceeded it.

EndoGames: Where 25,000 UM was the base price, and for each week of the previous Season the price would be lowered.

jj75alive: no..bad idea

EndoGames: That said it was a random idea I made about 3 months ago

oliver4657: Horribleidea

oliver4657: Has been since it was mentioned

jj75alive: participation should be encouraged not penalized

PiratePete: longshot: You mean Experiments? I think they're based on the highest amount of energy you've produced, but divided by the number of Experiments available.

APR 28 - 12:08PM
zepko: Endo, other random ideas on the price/currency of promo 6? :)

Icewizard263: how is that connected to participation?

oliver4657: Followers omegalul

EndoGames: Promo6 is already decided but the price isn't locked in

Icewizard263: also this season is going on since 1st Feb

jj75alive: keep silver pass at 5k um...don't kill the noobs

EndoGames: Once it is there will be a public post

PiratePete: So, if you've just done a Big Crunch and claimed your Experiments, it's better to start them one at a time as you Evolve/Ascend and they unlock in that run, to increase the amount each one makes.

zepko: oli, that's the worst idea I have seen, but there could be more :)

EndoGames: It won't be Followers

APR 28 - 12:09PM
Icewizard263: So this season will be 15-16 weeks long

Vagabondify: Ah, okay! That was my best guess.

jj75alive: Aurora is nice not worth diverting too much UM,,thats my thoughts

PiratePete: longshot: But there might be more nuances to that, the games Wiki will probably have more details/formula.

EndoGames: It's either going to be a different currency for each rarity (which I dislike due to disparity in currency availability) or a 'package' of currencies.

APR 28 - 12:10PM
oliver4657: Just make a mix price of cc prana and as

PiratePete: Kermit: SD maybe?

EndoGames: No

EndoGames: Not as it stands

APR 28 - 12:11PM
Icewizard263: package? So we'd need for example 100CC+200PG+400AS ?

zepko: would be nice if it were some sort of in game challenge using the heroes, like 2 and 4, to have 3 currency based promo and 3 action based promo

PiratePete: Oh, hey, I'm up to 8.31e84 Omega if I BC. Only 1.7e84 more to go.

PiratePete: ^9.31

jj75alive: why chamge the silver pass at all?

EndoGames: Something like that yes Ice.

Letrommil: You're so low PP ??

Icewizard263: yeah zepko but the only ones left are quite RNG-based.

Letrommil: I thought you were E100+

APR 28 - 12:12PM
Icewizard263: Like I saw someone suggesting promo 6 to work only on SWB...

PiratePete: Letro: No, I don't play "properly".

Letrommil: I dont either :p

zepko: I know ice, but something like "use the hero in N pvp battles"

EndoGames: If I could have it my way I would completely re-make the promotion process

EndoGames: I thought of a good idea for it a while back like a week after we implemented it

Icewizard263: Well... and then we'll have tons of posts moaning bout RNG never picking the lane with their promoted hero. xD

PiratePete: I stopped Jumping back in Sequence 11, and since then have been waiting around/at least 100 days for the 3 big BCs I've done to be able to afford 2 purchases of FSC each time.

APR 28 - 12:13PM
EndoGames: I don't like that it forces you to basically hoard a month of currency in some cases to promote something.

Vagabondify: Same!

EndoGames: I would rather each promotion was broken down in to say 10 intervals, so you can dump 10% of the currency in to say Promo1 and get 10% of it, up to the maximum amount.

PiratePete: Though I may have done a bunch of no-Omega-gain BCs to get closer to the "build x of something" Challenges.

Icewizard263: The PG and AS prices are absurd for everyone that isn't on top

Letrommil: @Endo : A month? You're cute ! Only a month for high level player imagine middle level one ?

EndoGames: A month was a mid level player.

EndoGames: Not a high level one

APR 28 - 12:14PM
zepko: a month for 2400 AS, that's fun

EndoGames: Let's pick the hardest to obtain currency at the most expensive rate.

EndoGames: /s

PiratePete: A month for 1200 Prana is pushing it, too.

APR 28 - 12:15PM
EndoGames: Anyways one of my ideas was that for Ascended for example Promo1 being 300 CC you could put 30 CC in to it and just get 10% of the Promo.

PiratePete: I'd say not without max Chest Legs to get extra Prana from Chests.

EndoGames: So say it was +100 Health Promo1, you could put 30 CC in at a time to get +10 Health at a time, up to the +100 Health

zepko: 2400 AS is actually doable, 1200 PG not so much, imo

PiratePete: But I can see your thing working.

Vagabondify: I like that idea!

PiratePete: Though it'd play hell with Calc input.

EndoGames: Also what I made them do with P4 would be good for other Promos I guess

APR 28 - 12:16PM
DrFransken: 2400 AS doable for those with Geum train.

EndoGames: with the dynamic UM price

EndoGames: Should be able to dump say 100 CC and x UM in to Promo1 to get the Promo

zepko: yeah, that would be nice

EndoGames: I had a good idea for Promo6 but it was too hard.

DrFransken: For the others it's quite tough.

APR 28 - 12:17PM
zepko: (btw, I have a very limited aGeum train, and that amount is doable for me)

EndoGames: I wanted it to basically be 51 'Promos', each 1 giving you +1 level to the hero (up to 150), where the cost is like, 2-5* the normal for that hero.

zepko: (with favorable bosses)

EndoGames: That was an idea for P6

EndoGames: but it's too hard because so much stuff has the 99 level cap in it'd have to be altered all over the shop

APR 28 - 12:18PM
DrFransken: zepko: your "very" limited ageum train allow you to be around the 100th place in kryton AH. That is not so bad

PiratePete: Could P6 do something like add armor/regeneration?

APR 28 - 12:19PM
PiratePete: Or is it already known to Devs what it will do and my suggestions are useless?

EndoGames: Current thought process is that it will give every hero a 2nd skill

EndoGames: but not how you would imagine

APR 28 - 12:20PM
EndoGames: You won't have a Raider Rose gaining x attack per turn and executing

EndoGames: We'll probably create a bunch of very basic 'buff' skills, such as +20% Healing Received, +50% Armor Recieved, -10% Damage taken etc

EndoGames: and every hero will get one of them

Vagabondify: That... sounds pretty intriguing, to be honest

zepko: talking about Rose, do we have a date for the nerf?

EndoGames: Probably Season 9 I guess

EndoGames: I think at this point Season 9 is 5.0

zepko: take your time, no hurry :)

APR 28 - 12:21PM
zepko: I'd like to at least do my quests before being unable

PiratePete: I think I like the look of that. Will the P6es take in to account how shitty some of the P5s are (Or will there be a re-balance there?) to make it worth doing for more things, or will P4 still be the stopping point for many because P5 is so bad?

APR 28 - 12:22PM
EndoGames: P5s can be buffed, the concern with buffing P5s is mainly the WB interaction

PiratePete: I had a vague idea about that.

EndoGames: It's unlikely support hero P5s will be buffed

EndoGames: but everything else can be, and some of the ones that aren't WB impacting but still strong I did buff recently

EndoGames: Like Dullahan/Santa (Although that made Santa ideal in some scenarios, which I like, since yeah he should still be very strong)

PiratePete: Reduce the turn limit for WBs. Let aGeum max out easily, but then +attack buffs will be needed, or AoE to cap out on damage instead of some of the armor units.

APR 28 - 12:23PM
EndoGames: Not sure how turn limit is coded in, whether it's a game wide thing (I imagine it is), could be possible though

APR 28 - 12:24PM
Letrommil: It's an integer Endo

Letrommil: Gaia check if turn is up to the limit or not

PiratePete: It'd definitely need a lot of work and number-crunching to do right, but if it could be done so that there was more variety in the "support" crew for WBs, it'd open things up a bit.

Letrommil: it's hardcoded

yezurof: How do you know ? Could be a short int

Letrommil: for int i = 0 , i < 100

Letrommil: inside code

Letrommil: i being the turn

APR 28 - 12:25PM
Letrommil: but that's for all fights

PiratePete: But, Letro, could it be changed for one part of the game without changing the others? I mean, like, on the 2nd or 3rd try because ^^U

Letrommil: thus you would need to duplicate WB fight function to make it unique

Letrommil: and just change it in the code

Letrommil: it's like 10 seconds to do

zepko: I don't see a problem in having a smaller turn limit in not-WB fights though

APR 28 - 12:26PM
Letrommil: to make it simple, currently you have "battlefight" which take some parameter

Letrommil: you just copy past it and rename it "battlefightforWB"

Letrommil: and you call it for WB battle fight instead of previous one

Icewizard263: Some units like Sanq might be problematic, zepko

Letrommil: and you just change the limit of turn

PiratePete: It's kind of a shame that newbies to the game won't get the same idea of ^^U or Soon™ when they come up... But technically, probably a good thing, because it shows the Devs are improving.

Letrommil: it's really a 10 secodn work

Icewizard263: sure it happens only in YR basically ,but still

zepko: depends on how lower is the number, I guess

zepko: but yeah

APR 28 - 12:27PM
zepko: attention should be paid to special cases