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- 1:51:41 PM+LowInformationVoterThis is interesting: https://www.texastribune.org/2018/05/03/hysteria-over-jade-helm-exercise-texas-was-fueled-russians-f...
- 1:51:56 PM+LowInformationVoterA former director of the CIA and NSA said Wednesday that hysteria in Texas over a 2015 U.S. military training exercise called Jade Helm was fueled by Russians wanting to dominate “the information space,” and that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's decision to send the Texas State Guard to monitor the operation gave them proof of the power of such misinformation campaigns.
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- 1:54:27 PM* Fundamenta|ist knocks Mabus over
- 1:54:28 PM+LowInformationVoterdeafblindmonkey: If I rip off a cat's head, slowly, as it screams out in pain and tries to claw my flesh, is the rightness/wrongness of my action dependent on whether or not that cat is owned as property by a human?
- 1:54:58 PM+LowInformationVoterWhat if I do a fair market analysis of the cat's worth, emotional pain, etc. and promise to compensate the potential owner?
- 1:55:25 PM+Fundamenta|istI almost forgot about Jade helm
- 1:55:46 PM+LowInformationVoterI didn't realize back then just how fucked up the mentality of a substantial part of the American Right
- 1:56:14 PM+LowInformationVoterI thought it was a 'game' in which some low information voters, likely religious, highly partisan, were terrorizing themselves with some nudging by extremist American media looking to make a quick buck
- 1:56:26 PM← Godric has quit (Quit: these violent delights have violent ends)
- 1:57:30 PM+LowInformationVoterI recall Charles Norris being involved in Jade Helm
- 1:57:36 PM+LowInformationVoterAfter that, I stopped valuing him
- 1:57:48 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd I thought all the Chuck Norris memes were for morons
- 1:58:10 PM+LowInformationVoter'Chuck Norris? That one moron who can't detect conspiracy theories? Oh, exciting meme you got their, fren.'
- 1:58:16 PM+LowInformationVoterthre
- 1:58:19 PM+LowInformationVoterthere
- 1:59:00 PM+LowInformationVoterhttps://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-page-organized-protest-texas-different-russ...
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- 1:59:09 PM+LowInformationVoter"A Russian Facebook page organized a protest in Texas. A different Russian page launched the counterprotest."
- 1:59:12 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v Banquo
- 1:59:19 PM+LowInformationVoterThe American Right is filled with a substantial number of morons
- 1:59:30 PM+LowInformationVoterWe simply cannot allow people this uniformed to determine the course of our nation
- 1:59:43 PM+LowInformationVoterThe only two choices I see are forced education, or loss of voting powers
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- 2:00:30 PM+LowInformationVoter'No, no! You can't force educate people by the philosophy of America! No, no! You can't take voting powers away from from people in America!'
- 2:00:34 PM+Fundamenta|istI agree. I hereby remove the voting rights of all IRC users (except me)
- 2:00:56 PM+LowInformationVoter'So, then, an organized crime family in Russia determines the course of American policy, with its enormous international military presence and 1500 nuclear weapons?'
- 2:01:04 PM+LowInformationVoter'If the Russian propaganda is the best, then, yes'
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- 2:01:12 PM@lauchlinshutting down religious schools k-12 would be a positive step
- 2:01:16 PM+Banquohey lauchlin
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- 2:01:23 PM@lauchlinhi banquo
- 2:01:29 PM+LowInformationVoterWe have got to apply Popper's model of tolerance of intolerance to voting.
- 2:01:29 PM+Banquowere u trolling earlier when u said you didn't like IW?
- 2:01:32 PMⓘ Mabus set mode +v Henry911
- 2:01:34 PM* Fundamenta|ist notes we have more than 1500 Nukes... fare more.
- 2:01:46 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: We have about 1500 'active'
- 2:01:55 PM+LowInformationVoterMaybe 7000 total, including inactive
- 2:01:57 PM← sardaukar has quit (Ping timeout)
- 2:02:14 PM+LowInformationVoterIt's okay if you want to be a very religious partisan in modernity -- that should be legal
- 2:02:24 PM+LowInformationVoterAlso, you should not have a say in guiding the course of modern nations
- 2:02:27 PMⓘ Mabus set mode -b *!*2@*.ppp.as43234.net
- 2:03:23 PM+LowInformationVoter4,000 (2018) (excludes retired and awaiting dismantlement)[3]
- 2:03:28 PM+LowInformationVoter1,800 deployed strategic nuclear warheads (2018)[4]
- 2:03:43 PM+Fundamenta|istAnd thus we have the primary evil in modernist thinking...
- 2:03:51 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: Expound, please.
- 2:04:23 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: To be clear, if you engage me on this topic, I'm going to be bringing some powerful philosophy
- 2:04:38 PM+Fundamenta|istLowInformationVoter: I will be simple.
- 2:04:47 PM+LowInformationVoterThen you will probably be more wrong
- 2:05:18 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: Religion is 'just another way of thinking', that is, it's a type of computational pattern applied to the world
- 2:05:26 PM+Fundamenta|istLowInformationVoter: Modernist thinkers want to decide who is worthy...
- 2:05:33 PM+Fundamenta|istWorthy to vote...
- 2:05:37 PM+Fundamenta|istWorthy to speak
- 2:05:43 PM+Fundamenta|istWorthy to have a say...
- 2:05:47 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: I can't speak to modernists, but I can speak for what I'm arguing for
- 2:05:54 PM+Fundamenta|istThese are not your decisions.
- 2:06:05 PM+LowInformationVoter'Worth' is an antiquated human social-emotional heuristic that is merely a low-computational heuristic
- 2:06:14 PM+LowInformationVoterMy system has transcended worth
- 2:06:22 PM+LowInformationVoterWhat, then, am I aiming for? Minimization of harm
- 2:06:28 PM+LowInformationVoterI think denying the vote to some humans is harmful
- 2:06:39 PM+Fundamenta|istWe decided a long time ago that all men are created equal and have certain inalienable rights.
- 2:06:40 PM+LowInformationVoterI think allowing some humans to vote is more harmful than allowing those humans to vote
- 2:06:50 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: That is a philosophical axiom -- it can be challenged
- 2:07:10 PM+LowInformationVoterModern science indicates humans are not created and are not equal
- 2:07:17 PM+LowInformationVoterVariation is a core component of Darwinian evolution
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- 2:07:37 PM+LowInformationVoterHumans having certain, inalienable rights is a leading philosophical model that I value highly
- 2:07:55 PM+Fundamenta|istTo go against that philosophy is to reject a core American tenant.
- 2:08:02 PM+LowInformationVoterIt's primary alternative is the utilitarianism of Jeremy Bentham, et al.
- 2:08:18 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: We cannot be afraid to question and go beyond the philosophical founders of our world
- 2:08:44 PM+LowInformationVoterIt is the very essence of philosophy to ask the most successful philosophers in human history, 'Are your ideas improvable?'
- 2:09:03 PM+Fundamenta|istLowInformationVoter: Certainly. But if you plan on replacing a core American philosophy, you better have something better.
- 2:09:08 PM+LowInformationVoterGiven that computation wasn't available to people like John Locke and Rousseau, the answer is, Yes, we can improve on their ideas
- 2:09:29 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: I recommend we expand Karl Popper's idea of Intolerance of Intolerance
- 2:09:32 PM+LowInformationVoterAre you familiar with that essay?
- 2:09:41 PM+LowInformationVoterThe Paradox of Tolerance
- 2:10:11 PM@xsnlxthe Laffer Curve of Tolerance?
- 2:10:13 PM+LowInformationVoterKarl Popper identifies a single value he wishes to optimize: tolerance
- 2:10:30 PM+Fundamenta|istLowInformationVoter: And when I hear things like "They shouldn't be allowed to vote, or they should be allowed to speak" all I hear is another form of self righteous elitism.
- 2:10:43 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: That is the most common motivating factor -- agreed
- 2:10:47 PM+LowInformationVoterIt is not my motivating factor
- 2:10:58 PM+Fundamenta|istAnd Elitism is as old as the hills
- 2:11:00 PM+LowInformationVoterI am highly influenced by the categorical imperative of Kant, Fundamenta|ist
- 2:11:28 PM+LowInformationVoterIt is only ethical for me to wish people 'less' than me in some sense don't have certain powers, if I also wish people 'more' than me have more powers
- 2:11:30 PM+LowInformationVoterI do wish this.
- 2:11:48 PM+LowInformationVoterI wish people more competent than me in rocketry to have more say in how rockets are manufactured
- 2:12:15 PM+LowInformationVoterI wish people with more competence than Sarah Palin to have more say in the policies of our federal government
- 2:12:31 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: You will not find solace, in this conversation, with your emotional-social heuristics of yesterday
- 2:12:47 PM+LowInformationVoterNo shame, elitism, or factionalism here
- 2:12:58 PM+LowInformationVoterJames Madison is one of the primary influences on my political ideology
- 2:13:09 PM+LowInformationVoterThe highest goal of Madison is to ensure the system is a meta-faction
- 2:13:44 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: I am a true philosopher on this point, directly challenging, competently, the foundations of our system
- 2:13:55 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: You haven't addressed my Karl Popper question
- 2:14:16 PM+LowInformationVoterSo, with a single variable you're trying to optimize, the policy should be simple, right?
- 2:14:26 PM+LowInformationVoterJust maximize tolerance. Karl Popper says this does not maximize tolerance
- 2:14:55 PM+LowInformationVoterFor what will happen, with some expected value, is that intolerant people will use your tolerance of them to attempt to gain dominance of the system and then destroy tolerance
- 2:15:09 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd then you have very little tolerance. Therefore, you should be tolerant of everything, up to a point
- 2:15:13 PM+LowInformationVoterAnd that is how you maximize tolerance
- 2:15:30 PM+LowInformationVoterThe fundamental problem of most philosophers of yesteryear, Fundamenta|ist, is that they're too principle based
- 2:15:42 PM+LowInformationVoterWhat is wrong with principles? Principles are low-computational heuristics that we try to apply to a very complex world
- 2:15:59 PM+LowInformationVoterA better approach is one that is rooted in contemporary computation that tries to *minimize harm*
- 2:16:02 PM@lauchlinjesus christ
- 2:16:05 PM@lauchlinshut the fuck up
- 2:16:13 PM Ignoring lauchlin!*@*
- 2:16:21 PM+LowInformationVoterNo.
- 2:16:31 PM+LowInformationVoterYour emotions are your responsibility.
- 2:17:16 PM+LowInformationVoterYou desire universalism, Fundamenta|ist, as do I. I am a vegetarian, i.e. my universalism extends beyond the scope of arbitrary species boundaries
- 2:17:40 PM+LowInformationVoterWe cannot have naive universalism, Fundamenta|ist. Some agents, like Vladimir Putin, will use our naive universalism for his own gain and to the detriment of all others
- 2:17:40 PM+TonySnarkWell, you can universally take a hike
- 2:17:49 PM+Fundamenta|istMabus: Let him tire himself out.
- 2:17:57 PM+TonySnarkHe will never, Fundy
- 2:18:01 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: You appear to have lost interest in our debate in #debates.
- 2:18:02 PM+TonySnarkHoly shit
- 2:18:08 PM@xsnlxhttp://thehill.com/policy/defense/386090-us-warns-china-after-lasers-injure-american-pilots-in-afric...
- 2:18:08 PM+TonySnarkMabus and I just agreed on something
- 2:18:11 PM@UnderCoverNerdi think he might be in a literal bot mode right now lol
- 2:18:11 PM+LowInformationVoterThat is hard for me to empathize with
- 2:18:16 PM+TonySnarkWith no one threatening us!
- 2:18:26 PM@UnderCoverNerdman i can't wait to install my new hardware. i should set it as a reward for myself
- 2:18:35 PM+LowInformationVoterIf you guys think this is an intense intellectual effort, I recommend you engage some Buddhist monks
- 2:18:40 PM@UnderCoverNerdfinish a few pages of my paper then i can install it and config it
- 2:19:03 PM+TonySnarkLowInformationVoter: frankly, no, you don't present that serious of a challenge.
- 2:19:16 PM+LowInformationVoterTonySnark: Please steel man my argument, then
- 2:19:37 PM+TonySnarkLike I'm going to scroll to read it?
- 2:19:45 PM+LowInformationVoterTonySnark: Your actions are your responsibility
- 2:19:56 PM+TonySnarkWater is wet, yes.
- 2:20:02 PM@UnderCoverNerddefine wet
- 2:20:03 PM Ignoring TonySnark!*@*
- 2:20:12 PM+LowInformationVoterTonySnark: I put you on ignore for sixty minutes
- 2:20:28 PM+LowInformationVoterFundamenta|ist: You made no serious attempts to engage in this philosophical conversation, from my perspective
- 2:20:47 PM+LowInformationVoterIf you think that was 'intense', I recommend you read some philosophical treatises that have 100x my textual density
- 2:20:52 PM@xsnlxhttps://www.cnn.com/2018/05/03/politics/house-chaplain-pat-conroy-rescinds-resignation/index.html
- 2:21:01 PM@UnderCoverNerdif it was distilled water it will evaporate with no problem
- 2:21:01 PMⓘ lauchlin set mode +b LowInformationVoter!~18170d61@c-24-23-13-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
- 2:21:01 PM× You have been kicked by lauchlin (lauchlin)
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