The collapse of mongo`

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13:54	lednerk	HOLY SHIT!
13:54	lednerk	BREAKING NEWS: Former Trump campaign official Rick Gates pleasing guilty to intentionally conspiring against the United States and to misleading Mueller's FBI investigators.
13:56	mongo`	geez lednerk, relax
13:57	mongo`	wait till you read Manafort's comment regarding the plea
13:57	lednerk	what did he say?
13:57	mongo`	that is rather funny, as we see Manafort headed to prison for the rest of his life (if a jury chooses to convict him)
13:59	mongo`	he said he didn't understand why his partner chose to plead guilty, as he (Manafort) would continue to fight these obviously untrue charges
13:59	mongo`	etc etc
13:59	mongo`	but hell
13:59	mongo`	Manafort has finally been hit with IRS tax evasion charges
14:00	lednerk	ya
14:00	mongo`	which the IRS only agrees to when they have CAREFULLY checked all the evidence
14:01	mongo`	manafort will either fold, or die in prison (if convicted)
14:01	Lensch	Manafort is a top-tier target.
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14:01	mongo`	and i can't imagine Mueller filing any indictments unless they can be backed up
14:02	Lensch	Only if there is no way to get Trump without Manafort would Mueller allow Manafort to 'fold'.
14:02	mongo`	apparently manafort was in debt to one of the russian/ukrainian oligarchs ...... and those guys tend to WANT their money
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14:03	mongo`	lensch: what did that just mean?
14:03	mongo`	it was totally comnfusing
14:04	Lensch	Mueller wants Manafort to die in prison.
14:04	mongo`	no
14:04	Lensch	Since the crimes of Manafort are 'die in prison' worthy.
14:04	Lensch	However, Mueller also wants Trump.
14:04	mongo`	he wants manafort to plead guilty and talk about trump
14:04	Lensch	Agreed.
14:04	Lensch	What's in that 'plead guilty' scenario?
14:04	Lensch	Reduced punishment, yes.
14:05	Lensch	But his true punishment is 'life in prison'.
14:05	Lensch	And he's 64.
14:05	Lensch	So, what's a reduced sentence look like for him?
14:05	Lensch	Reduced enough to get him to flip, but not so reduced as to let a top-tier level target get away too easily.
14:05	mongo`	if he pleads guilty and tells all he knows about trump, he will get a bery light sentence
14:05	Lensch	Also, Manafort has to assume he's an assassination target by Putin.
14:05	mongo`	very
14:05	mongo`	he is not "top=tier"
14:05	Lensch	That's possible, but unclear.
14:06	Lensch	Why do you believe he is not top-tier?
14:06	Joey	who's 64?
14:06	Lensch	He's one of the most successful agents in American history to conspire against us.
14:06	Joey	Manafort is 68
14:06	Lensch	You are correct.
14:06	mongo`	so you think mueller was hired to go after "Manafort AND Trump"?
14:07	Joey	heh
14:07	Joey	why was the special prosecutor appointed?
14:07	Lensch	The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
14:07	mongo`	manafort would have gone on to die in bed, had he not gotten involved with trump
14:07	Lensch	any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
14:07	Lensch	any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
14:07	Lensch	 any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
14:07	Lensch	That is why Mueller was appointed.
14:08	Lensch	https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
14:08	Joey	Who is Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor investigating the Trump campaign’s links with Russia?
14:08	mongo`	well, maybe Manafort was the real target
14:08	Lensch	Yes, Mueller was appointed to go after Manafort and Trump and others.
14:08	mongo`	and trump migjht flip to help mueller get manafort
14:08	mongo`
14:08	mongo`	lensch: wow
14:09	mongo`	obviously i just have seen the truth
14:09	Lensch	I ended my conversation with you, mongo`.
14:09	Joey	WASHINGTON — The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.
14:09	Lensch	Reason: You have collapsed.
14:10	Joey	lol this is from the NY Times about 9 months ago
14:10	Joey	https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html
14:10	RoboTurmp	[ Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation - The New York Times ] - https://goo.gl/FgYNms
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