Mik vs Ame OOT votes 2.0

MIK VS. AME - OOT requests and votes:

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Wonder Woman:

* Wonder Woman, as argued, punches her opponents with enough power to obliterate multiple mountain peaks at once - albeit no hard-numbered claim was made on this, it’s not difficult to see why this is likely stronger striking than the Tier Setter. Furthermore, she has an ultra-sharp sword that cuts through multi-foot thick metal, and while I don’t think this would, as argued, cleave right through the Tier Setter, it’s not something that Thing - with the piercing resistance that was given him - will be no-selling, meaning Wonder Woman has yet another way to injure the TS. The fact that Ame brought up many Tier Setter+ equivalent feats for her and worded it as “easily taking it” is just even more suspect. She also has lifting on the level of holding half a skyscraper, meaning grappling with Thing is possible. To top it off, WW has a lasso that, as argued, can restrain opponents stronger than the Tier Setter, which is basically an instant win if we treat it as an incap, or just a way for WW to tie up Thing and smack at him relentlessly, in a way Thing can’t possibly defend and, more importantly, survive.

Kerd, Jeff, Kirbin, Ken and Verlux vote Out of Tier.

Wonder Woman is Out of Tier by 5 votes.

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Chrome:

* Chrome, while weakened, can tank a gigantic bullet that entirely obliterates a building twice the height of a large coliseum. Furthermore, Chrome is argued as having a “Combat Mode”, and this - https://i.imgur.com/X7cBcx9.png - pretty much sums it up - if damaged, he will be blitzing the Tier Setter, and get an instant healing factor for any minor damage, as well as… “any attack would be adapted to and no longer affect Chrome”...? bruh. I also have to note that Thing shattering a building with his singular punch - https://i.imgur.com/TrJ5eoh.jpg - is a fair bit below the bullet Chrome tanked while weakened, which didn’t merely shatter, but, as worded, obliterated a large building - https://imgur.com/a/RPi8pY1. While this doesn’t mean Chrome will no-sell Tier Setter - especially given that Thing’s physicals are not limited to the feat I just linked - it certainly means that Thing’s usual strikes won’t be doing much to Chrome, especially when the feat was worded as “a weakened Chrome”. I don’t see Thing winning against someone who will start blitzing him if damaged - and the only way Thing can win is by damaging Chrome - as well as eating every punch from Thing, seeing a weakened Chrome fully ate an impact even greater.

Kerd, Jeff, Kirbin, Ken and Verlux vote Out of Tier.

Chrome is Out of Tier by 5 votes.

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Blue:

* Blue is just weak, relatively. The physicals presented don’t allow him to mog Thing - the “mountain side” scan is visibly not that big and just means he has physicals on the level of shattering a decent amount of rocks, which isn’t OOT. His lightning is admittedly shit. His phasing isn’t used very well, and his healing isn’t all that good as argued - even though the whole “can only heal cuts” argument is fucking weird and probably just dumb, Ame provided sufficient evidence that Blue can just be KO’d.

Everyone votes in tier.

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Thor:

* Vote of those who believe Thor is in tier: Thor's claims for being out of tier were based on the factors of his piercing and his lightning, while the lightning seemed closer to being OOT, the basis of the claims failed to convince me that it really was. For piercing, the feat Ame linked to claim Thing would be easily pierced is Thor doing two full overhead charged swings to a downed Hulk and then stating his lung had been punctured, equating this to "any hit from Thor will pierce his lung" didn't convince me at all. Especially considering that Hulk's skin appears to be full intact in the following panel, and a blunt impact can easily cause a punctured lung. For lightning, the basis of it being OOT was a calc that assume that Thor's lightning acted 1 to 1 with real world lightning in the method by which it caused destruction, maybe the calc is correct, but I really don't think magical asgardian lightning that gets summoned from a hammer works exactly the same as just real world lightning. I do not believe that Thor's kinetic component of his lightning is based solely on charge, I do not believe that Thor's lightning feats show that his lightning is carrying more charge than Thing can handle.

3 out of 6 judges disagreed, voting Thor as OOT, resulting in a tie.

As such, our guest judge and tiebreaker Wolfpaladin read the debate and voted as follows:

* Thor is probably kind of weak, the lightning doesn't have a tenable wattage position and Thor isn't OOT.

Kerd, DGL, Kirbin and Wolfpaladin vote in tier. Verlux, Ken and Jeff vote Out of Tier.

Thor is in tier by 4 votes against 3.

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Magneto:

* Magneto is in tier. Magneto being OOT seemed to just be "he blocked some missiles so he's OOT," but Mik claimed context on that was them being detonated prematurely rather than Magneto absorbing the full impact of the blast. And Mangeto's primary advantage against most opponents he has faced where his ability is actually relevant, does not matter at all against Thing, whatever he can throw in an Ikea isn't going to do anything to Thing.

Kerd, Kirbin, Verlux and Jeff vote in tier.

Magneto is in tier by 4 votes.

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WONDER WOMAN IS OUT OF TIER.

CHROME IS OUT OF TIER.

Everyone else is in tier.