if we go where would the parcel movement
rule of if anyone in the kingdom is
editing parcels no one else can go into
the UK yeah that's on the world-building
that we are going to do a lot dynamite
we got in that I have the same type of
block okay but just on a per building
basis I'm totally fine with that
especially if you can reuse the code or
repurpose the code that would be
fantastic because so in world building
on the kingdom builder tool we already
wrote a rule that just said you know
what let's just put a lock on the
kingdom builder tool it's the easiest
thing to do so if you're a noble and you
want to add a new farmland parcel or a
new village you come in the the tool is
not being used by anybody you open it up
and he comes in also a noble and says I
want to open the world building tool it
says sorry John's already using a try
again later if you disconnect or you or
you close it or whatever yeah if you
disconnect for any reason where you
close it it opens it up if I'm the world
owner and I come in the error message it
gives me as John's already using this
tool you want to boot them out so I can
eject you and unlock it at any time
what about like afk if someone hasn't
opened they haven't disconnected but
they're not out there dead well if there
are 30 minutes for there's a timeout
right wait after a certain amount of
time they're going to be disconnected or
the world of the world owner the monarch
can just say screw John and boot boot
him out but then would this was the
quickest way for us to get ya know
around the same around having to build
online editing we're now you're making
changes in this tool that I've got it
open I'm seeing those changes and we
have conflicts and that whole thing was
just like 10 times or 20 times more work
than a simple locking system so we
decided you know what this is already an
edge case and it's just not going to be
that often how many players will be
affected by this so first of all you're
talking about people using the Edit
kingdom tool they have to be a noble or
a world owner and most of our players
are actually out of the game playing so
now we're talking about a pretty small
percentage and now they have to be in
conflict wanting to do it at the same
time and unwilling to work together it's
starting to get to a smaller and smaller
subset where it just felt to me like
building a giant online editing
cooperative system the juice wasn't
worth the squeeze
no it's right the second time I've heard
that this week from me probably first
yeah it's one of my um alright so thanks
on the ground level what does the player
going to be saying so you've come in on
the building level okay and already did
you've moved that parcel now even if I'm
standing on it I get teleported with
yeah yeah I know that already already
work so that's no problem that's tough
and if I'm going on edge it's just going
to be there and then blink out right now
eventually no right it'll blink out and
right now there's just a big gap right
we're gonna have to get into that but I
don't want to get into that to this
meeting so okay so that's it for city
building phase one I mean there's some
other stuff in here about warning
messages and ownership rights okay so
this is one thing that we we should
cover in phase one which is right now
it's buyer beware seller beware I don't
know what it's it's it's it's you are if
you are putting your building in
somebody else's parcel you're at risk
that they could potentially screw you
out of that building right and the
reason for that is we don't have a mail
system right now so we have no way to
get that building back to you if they
banish you or if you get banished from
that world while you are offline this is
a PvP game right yeah but not in any
case that's the case or not I mean not
between parse alone unless you notice
most people that are sharing the case
are either gonna probably be guild mates
as my friends yes
so eventually long run that's not gonna
work right we need to have a mechanism
that is a fallback to where if Bentley
puts his building on my parcel and we
have a falling out and I eject him it
will gobble all of his stuff up package
it and send it to his spirit I love to
steal his house though right well looks
like swindle you'll have your moment
then until we get around to actually
building the mail system and I don't
want to put a bunch of fail-safes right
now then we'll just have to pull out
again later when the mail system comes a
lot so coming so words for the initial
version instead we're just gonna pop up
a warning that says hey don't put your
on
he's parcel unless you trust him just
don't do it right and if you do and he
takes your building all right sorry
about that but I mean right now if the
buildings are either recipes I mean yeah
after them and so that's just game play
or there they're an account like
imported thing from like a backer reward
or whatever and we reset those all the
time anyway
and wipe anyway so I said it seemed like
this was to get our system up and
running as quickly as possible that was
a that was oh and you did it was done by
accident let's say I'm in there and he
does something like oh oh no it's now on
me yeah I'll trade that back oh of
course yeah absolutely you think they
want to miss they lose it no they only
lose it in the situation that the parcel
owner is like haha taking your stuff and
okay they can but it seemed like in
their person yeah it seemed like we
could we could deal with that there's a
problem though because though what you
were talking about before the kind of
infinite loop problem of you know an
infinite storage problem right even call
that the comet right yeah the the giant
comment that was hurling towards us if
you send me a if you mail me my my house
would a vendor on it the horizont it
yeah isn't that effectively becoming a
deed but I didn't have to remove all my
stuff that's true it is but we're we
have to we know we have to have overflow
rules for this right because there's
just too many things that rely on that
and I guess you could make it a special
deed that can be used by vendors or
something we haven't done that system
but my other thought is at the time we
mail it we'll do what we wanted to make
you do anyway which is it will strip all
that inventory and we'll mail it in the
package but it'll be coming separately
so your spirit bank will go into
overflow but we've avoided the the
nested hierarchy problem of vendors
containing parcels that contain
buildings that contain vendors that
contain parcel that maintain right
that's what we're trying to pull with so
we have to get with overflow I mean
that's just as a reality of any MMO that
you have to deal with what happens when
you need to put something somewhere in
that container simply it's not supposed
to be able to contain it so our general
philosophy for that is to go ahead and
add it but while they're in the overflow
state they cannot pick up anything new
if you need to add friction you can slow
them down or you can add something else
try and force the player to want to get
out of that overflow state and you try
to avoid any system where the player can
forcibly put themselves into overflow
you can't always do it like this is a
great example of one where somebody
could force themselves that overflow
another option though it is instead of
doing it straight to their spirit bank
as we could potentially dump it
effectively in the export or embargo
area of that ek and when they get in the
next time they have to go use a
container that opens it up and now
they've got choices right but then that
would have a separate container which is
not as bad as dumping too many things in
the same container right so their
solutions their solutions but and I'm in
the meantime while those real solutions
are still being cooked I didn't want to
jump through a bunch of Hoops here Omega
sell them out later so it was just like
alright for phase one since we wipe all
the time and give people their stuff
back let's just not worry about it
because 99% of the people who do this
aren't gonna have that problem
yeah it's guildmates working together or
people who you know they want to build a
market if they screw a bunch of their
tenants out of their buildings that's
not gonna do very well in helping them
get to their goal of building a thriving
market so you know so when we clear out
and reset their banks and stuff anything
that they've acquired since then does
that get added to it it totally depends
we have we do different types owning the
system in this way we do different types
of wipes all the time right right now
sometimes we wipe everything including
skills sometimes we do just a campaign
wipe but they keep their ek and their
spirit bank sometimes we wipe all worlds
but keep the spirit bank I mean it
totally depends on what we usually we
try to not wipe unless we have to but
there are moments when it's like I we
got to wipe all the things so I guess
I'm curious is if I own a parcel and you
have a house or you know a couple houses
uh-huh you throw those houses on I then
take them it's now in my spirit bank we
reset you get your houses back but then
I've kept the two L's in theory that can
happen but we probably won't we'll
probably end up having to do a wipe so
yeah one of the things that I mentioned
in here was marking the assets with the
original owner Yeah right like who put
it down so because the
person that can pick it up is Dina the
parcel owner or four parcels it can be
the monarch right for buildings the
parcel owner for parcels it's the world
owner those are the only people who can
pick up buildings that they don't own if
we marked it as this is John's building
yeah I mean on pick up we keep the
information that it was John's building
then when we do that scrub we could just
add that logic in of hey and by the way
look for any buildings that were not
assigned in his account so I mentioned
that one just even and he said we could
persist that data we don't right now but
we could so I if that's not mark in here
we need to make sure that it is as a as
a follow-up task me it sounds like
you're making houses bound at that point
we're not really it's just a stopgap
measure right now for this weird state
that we're in where we're constantly
wiping and giving people their web
rewards back I mean that's that should
never happen right so is that everything
from city building phase one I think it
is yeah so it is so okay so just right
there I tried to limit the scope on that
as small as I could right so without any
parcels it's still one world owner and
and only he can drop a village but in
that village I can actually sign both of
you guys up in vassals and now you can
drop buildings there and you can put
vendors on the buildings and there's no
taxes and there's ways that you can lose
your bill I mean that's like it's
clearly there's some tentacular pieces
that spread out that we're gonna have to
lop off because it's kind of ugly but it
does mean that we could get together and
form a village and put down our vendors
and people could come and shop it takes
a village here okay so that's phase one
so world building phase one basically
mirrors the things we just talked about
only at the parcel level but if you look
through it it's basically the same stuff
belong to me
so world owner can make Nobles he has
the same set a list for adding removing
and listing them the kingdom editor has
the locking which was an addition that
this old this other system didn't have
but might so you're gonna get back to me
on that let me know if we need to add
the locking or not so like I said as
long as it's not buggy I don't care if
that's something we can reduce the scope
and get it done
quicker I'm happy and then that's it so
city building phase 1.5 jumping back to
the city side of things is to enable the
token system right so we've actually
done a bunch of this work Tommy did a
bunch of this like a year ago right it
is and right now all the tokens on all
the strongholds are just set to 99 so
there's no real weight limits but so the
idea is turn on those systems and add
add the token limits too so when I say
you can add buildings now on this parcel
I can specify and buy buildings I mean
you can add one small one medium and two
largest or whatever comment update that
to all the housing that we did yeah yeah
I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff here
and when we eventually get to annexes
like extensions to buildings yes we'll
need to figure out to those chew up
tokens or those freebies so if I want to
put a breakfast nook onto my manner if
we do that for some reason or more
likely I want to put another another
room onto it so that I can add more
crafting tables do we require a small
token to in addition to the large one
that the manor took or is that just a
freebie and I don't know that's what we
just have to decide it gives us more
design control if we make it take tokens
but it also adds complexity if we ever
want to shift those two hippos right
yeah so I don't know if we want to do
that I don't think ya know how we're
doing the castle then we were you doing
that would be the same thing you would
have to use tokens right exactly and I
don't know that we want to do that okay
so so token system finishing that out
which should be pretty straightforward I
had a task in here for automatically
cleaning up the world list because we
didn't do that in the first phase so if
the world leader banishes if I'm the
world leader the monarch and I banished
John even though he was a noble I just
decided to screw this guy he's out then
not only should we clean up all his
stuff and pull it out and mail it to him
but we need to figure out what to do
with all the players that had buildings
there they need to get mailed their
stuff or you know if we need to remove
him from the allowed player list or if
somebody is added to the allowed player
list we need to remove
from the band list so there's just
cleanup tasks there that we don't
technically have to do we can make the
players clean it up themselves but it
would be nice this is an interesting
point because if you own you own the
parcel and I'm your noble down from day
one yeah we've been working together and
I have created the market spot for you
and your parcel yeah and all of a sudden
we have that falling out could we do
something where you eat ject me but then
you're able to fill in that spot and
keep the market there as well because if
you inject me now everybody's market
stall well if it's my parcel and I had
given you admin rights which we didn't
account for yet right if the parcel
owner is the only person who has admin
rights we haven't done that yet that's
not till regions comes later yeah but
what I'd like to do is Lee is try and
make the design always leave as much
stuff in place as possible so if you of
the Nova are kicked out and I decided to
make max the noble market just keeps
running the vendors are still there
nobody is nobody cares you know it I
guess it gets weird when I own the land
that's where it becomes harder and so
then in that case then we experiment
work our differences out right or do we
try and keep that stuff intact so that
you can take that parcel and put it in
another world and that market is still
there and those tenants are still owning
the buildings so you could basically
splinter your market and land off to
another that would be ideal but I don't
know that we can do that because they've
been as me is that I've built up that
land I could go to you now and say I'll
cut a deal with Max I'm with Todd right
now his kingdom sucks yeah exactly
what do we know often and so that's I
preferred as a well like that rock so
shadow Bay we totally did that with our
sub guilds we made it to where if you
own the sub guild you're the leader of
the sub guild when you decide to betray
me and splinter off you take that sub
guild and any tree underneath it with
you so because we were actually trying
to engineer it to make it easy for
bigger and bigger things to fracture
yeah part it just makes least a more
interesting game so if we can figure out
a way to do that I'd love to but
honestly that's like we're building
phase three or something you get that's
after we have regions and the real
or keys in place that's when I would
look at something like that it's again
it's cool to see your vision it's always
the car what you're thinking start with
baby steps and you know get all and walk
then run then fly so I'm trying to crawl
right now so okay so vendors and taxes
was part of 1.5 which is okay let's go
ahead and wire up the taxes into the
partial ownership as well so that now
the parcel under consent attacks should
be pretty straightforward in fact that
might not fall on you that might be
something goes over to Charlie or
somebody else and then I added a few of
these other things that we know we need
to get done at some point they were in a
different dock they were in that world
construction dock I moved him over here
and so that I could sort them in terms
of priority so building annexes which is
the breakfast nook thing we talked about
earlier when I want to add a study to my
house or whatever and tying that in
first just as a custom deed and I think
that was it for city building 1.5 world
building 1.5 was adding in the cell
limits to nobles it was the thing I
talked about John can only put 40 cells
worth of items here automatically
cleaning up the world list as well just
like I did at the building level and
then adding in Kingdom taxes so that was
one point five so the one point five s
really worked a lot of work honestly
it's just they also weren't absolutely
clear so that's why peel them off I
didn't want to dump them into the Phase
two because the phase twos are pretty
giant so Phase two then has multi-asset
needs which we've talked about a bunch
of dynamic sockets because I'm really
want to get rid of having a distinction
between diagonal wall segments and
straight I'm trying to figure that one
out our changes for that so there's a
section in that that you'll need to look
at John hippo extensions to building
interiors which we want for the Citadel
on the palace and then it gets into
world building phase two which is the
regions and setting up for missions and
the region lists and all that stuff so
I'm gonna suggest that you guys don't
even really read that stuff because what
will happen because it happens every
time is we build phase one and then
based on how that turns out when I can
actually play it that'll end up in some
changes in phase one point five and then
when we build that and we can actually
play
it then I'll know more about what work
and what didn't work in those designs
and then I'll have to go do a rewrite of
base so it's it's basically I'm kind of
talking the outline up and eventually
we're gonna build this thing here but
when we get to it I know it won't
exactly fit that outline this tells you
where I'm thinking you know this shows
again it shows your vision which is
right of where where I think we're gonna
be but inevitably it changes when we get
there just the way it always works its
design the worst all right so you guys
have to build this what questions do you
have about the building
what are we not covered that you guys
need to know to give me well I guess
next step is you're gonna get Lisa a
time estimate and then you're gonna come
back with questions and a TDD right yeah
yes the next year or do you need a TDD
for this is this I don't know if it's
worthy of water you know her title it
seems pretty simple like to me I think
you could work all weekend and have this
stuff what I think through it I'm just
saying if I you know well maybe not you
but if I had a programmer in here who
took pride in their job and will carry
about their career I think that would be
reasonable what do you think max I think
yeah yeah maybe she got some of those
okay all right oh good yep
cool we'll run through is is officially
out of my hands and you guys are just
gonna come back with gold that's our
question is right right questions and
missions and then gold right yeah