Rayvyn vs Mans0n-Undernet-#RebelYell-Gay Rights Debate

11[23:47] <@Rayvyn> trump has done for the democrats what the dnc couldn't do for a decade
[23:48] <+clikka> Rayvyn, I still am unaware of a single Democratic new policy...
[23:48] <+mans0n> clikka: they dont have any
11[23:48] <@Rayvyn> trump managed to anger democrats so much that they turned out in droves in a midterm, it will only be more in the general in 2020
[23:49] <+clikka> I will be watching the new House... as I have doubts they can get 217 Dems thinking the same way on anything...
11[23:49] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, because the old policies work so well
[23:49] <+mans0n> lol
11[23:49] <@Rayvyn> the concepts are the same
[23:49] <+mans0n> you mean the same policies that lost them 1100 seats in 6 years, putting them in their worst spot since the 1920s ?
[23:49] <+mans0n> yeah, keep going with those
11[23:49] <@Rayvyn> obama removed the band on gays in the military
[23:49] <+mans0n> thatll work forever, probably
11[23:49] <@Rayvyn> ban
[23:50] <+mans0n> clinton put the ban on gays in the military there
[23:50] <+mans0n> i dont see that as a huge accomplishment for the dems
[23:50] <+mans0n> undoing what they did in the first place
11[23:50] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, no the ban had been there forever, clinton tried to lessen it with don't ask don't tell
[23:50] <+mans0n> lol
[23:50] <+mans0n> propaganda
11[23:50] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, gay marriage is now legal
[23:50] <+mans0n> that isnt because of democrats
[23:50] <+mans0n> barack obama openly opposed it
11[23:51] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, it's a huge accomplishment for human rights
[23:51] <+mans0n> no it isnt, it wasnt an accomplishment of any political party
[23:51] <+mans0n> why attribute it to democrats?
[23:51] <+mans0n> it was decided in the courts
11[23:51] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, maybe at one point, but obama's policy was to eliminate the ban on gays in the military
[23:52] <+mans0n> FACT: the democrats did no pass any nationwide legalisation of gay marriage.
11[23:52] <@Rayvyn> https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-12063074/barack-obama-repeals-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-law-on-gay-military-personnel
[23:52] <+mans0n> FACT: the democrats did not *attempt* to pass a nationwide legalisation of gay marriage
[23:52] <@`411> — "Barack Obama repeals "don't ask, don't tell" law on gay military personnel - BBC News"
[23:52] <+Zeno> Indeed Obama ad Hillary both opposed gay rights till they were forced to support those right... basically Joe Biden forced then
11[23:52] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, democrats got it done before the repugnant party took over in 2011
[23:52] <+mans0n> FACT: the democrats did not *attempt* to pass a nationwide legalisation of gay marriage -- in fact every 2008 candidate opposed it, and it was opposed by democrats until 2013.
[23:52] <+Zeno> mans0n  is correct
11[23:53] <@Rayvyn> Zeno, i'm fine with that, he did it
11[23:53] <@Rayvyn> Zeno, if he was forced or not he signed the bill, so he gets the credit
[23:53] <+mans0n> i love how democrats are patting themselves on the back for repealing dont ask dont tell
[23:53] <+mans0n> its amazing how small their world is
[23:53] <+mans0n> it was literally passed by a democrat
[23:53] <+mans0n> and then when you point that out
[23:53] <+mans0n> they say 'well it was better than before!!'
[23:53] <+Zeno> Rayvyn  If I remember correctly  the USSC legalized gay marriage, not the president
[23:53] <+mans0n> fuckin a
11[23:53] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, that is total bullshit, many candidates supported gay marriage in 2008
11[23:54] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you mean out of the 1000s of candidates, not one supported gay rights, lol that is beyond stupid you saying that bullshit heheh
[23:54] <+mans0n> lol ^^^^^^^^^^^
[23:54] <+mans0n> ZERO of the candidates that got a delegate in 2008 supported gay marriage
11[23:55] <@Rayvyn> Zeno, never said the president did legalized gay marriage, now did i? i said democrats supported gay marraige, liberal democrats
[23:55] <+mans0n> i.e. none of the major candidates
[23:55] <+mans0n> obama opposed it
[23:55] <+mans0n> clinton opposed it
[23:55] <+mans0n> edwards opposed it
[23:55] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: you were listing gay marriage in their list of accomplishments
[23:55] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: of course you suggested it was their doing
[23:56] <+mans0n> 02:48 @   Rayvyn) mans0n, gay marriage is now legal
[23:56] <+mans0n> 02:48 @   Rayvyn) mans0n, gay marriage is now legal
11[23:56] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, i did nothing of the sort
[23:56] <+mans0n> why mention it
[23:56] <+mans0n> ?
11[23:56] <@Rayvyn> and it was supported by democrats more than republicans in 2008
[23:56] <+mans0n> lolllll
[23:56] <+clikka> Trump has to have the troops out of afghanistan before 2020 just in case... as the Dems will never have the guts to stand up to the generals...
[23:57] <+mans0n> this is why democrats can get away with anything, people like Rayvyn
[23:57] <+mans0n> "hey, of course at the national level they opposed human rights, but they opposed it slightly less than republicans"  -Rayvyn
[23:57] <+mans0n> vote democrat in 2020: they oppose human rights slightly less.
[23:57] <+mans0n> real inspiring Rayvyn
[23:58] <+Zeno> Rayvyn   the Democratic leadership didn't support gay rights till 2013...  and they were basically forced to do so
11[23:58] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, when barney frank ran in 2008 did he support gay marriage?
[23:58] <+mans0n> barney frank did not run in 2008
[23:58] <+mans0n> lol
[23:58] <+mans0n> you invented something that didnt happen
[23:59] <+mans0n> niccccccccce
11[23:59] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, did dennis kucinich support gay marriage in 2008?
11[23:59] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, he got reelected in 2008
[23:59] <+mans0n> lol
[23:59] <+mans0n> we just gonna gloss over this?
11[00:00] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, frank runs every two years ya dolt he was a congressman

Session Start: Tue Dec 25 00:00:00 2018
Session Ident: #rebelyell
[00:00] <+mans0n> you made up something that didnt happen to support a stupid argument that is known false: that the democrats didnt support gay marriage in 2008
[00:00] <+mans0n> and i called you on it
[00:00] <+mans0n> and youre just like LALALALALALALA
[00:00] <+mans0n> didnt hear that
11[00:00] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you said no candidates in 2008 supported gay marriage, when dennis kucinich, a presidential candidate did
[00:00] <+mans0n> omg
[00:00] <+mans0n> lol
11[00:00] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you were wrong
[00:00] <+mans0n> this guy
[00:00] <+mans0n> you know damn well we were talking about the presidential nomination
[00:01] <+mans0n> pedantry only works when its not stupid
11[00:01] <@Rayvyn> "FACT: the democrats did not *attempt* to pass a nationwide legalisation of gay marriage -- in fact every 2008 candidate opposed it, and it was opposed by democrats until 2013."
11[00:01] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you claimed every democratic candidate opposed it and you were wrong
[00:01] <+mans0n> lol
[00:01] <+mans0n> you know damn well we were talking about the presidential nomination
[00:01] <+mans0n> pedantry only works when its not stupid
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11[00:02] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you simply make sweeping statements that are just plain wrong, you didn't even say presidential candidates so that is why i included candidates for congress
11[00:02] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you were wrong period
[00:02] <+mans0n> what i said is 100% correct
[00:02] <+mans0n> you expanded the scope beyond my intent
11[00:02] <@Rayvyn> "FACT: the democrats did not *attempt* to pass a nationwide legalisation of gay marriage -- in fact every 2008 candidate opposed it, and it was opposed by democrats until 2013."
[00:02] <+mans0n> you expanded the scope beyond my intent
[00:02] <+mans0n> what i said is 100% correct
[00:02] <+mans0n> you know damn well we were talking about the presidential nomination
[00:02] <+mans0n> you expanded the scope beyond my intent
[00:02] <+mans0n> what i said is 100% correct
11[00:02] <@Rayvyn> that is not a fact because two candidates running for president supported gay marriage
11[00:03] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you were wrong
[00:03] <+mans0n> lolllllllllll
11[00:03] <@Rayvyn> kucinich was a democratic presidential candidate who supported gay marriage in 2008
[00:03] <+mans0n> you got brain worms man
11[00:03] <@Rayvyn> manson said "FACT: the democrats did not *attempt* to pass a nationwide legalisation of gay marriage -- in fact every 2008 candidate opposed it, and it was opposed by democrats until 2013."
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[00:03] <+mans0n> (02:52 +   mans0n) ZERO of the candidates that got a delegate in 2008 supported gay marriage
[00:03] <+mans0n> (02:52 +   mans0n) ZERO of the candidates that got a delegate in 2008 supported gay marriage
[00:04] <+mans0n> .(02:52 +   mans0n) ZERO of the candidates that got a delegate in 2008 supported gay marriage
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11[00:04] <@Rayvyn> what does "opposed by democrats until 2013" mean when a candidate supported it in 2008? it means you were incorrect
[00:04] <+Zeno> Rayvyn  come on. you are arguing disengenuously. The Dem Party didn't support gat rights till 2013
11[00:04] <@Rayvyn> lol
11[00:04] <@Rayvyn> Zeno, you're full of shit, mans0n is proven wrong and now you're trying to cover for him
[00:04] <+mans0n> lol
11[00:04] <@Rayvyn> what he said was false
11[00:05] <@Rayvyn> lol
11[00:05] <@Rayvyn> mans0n stop making a fool of yourself and admit you were wrong
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11[00:05] <@Rayvyn> you said candidates, not the DNC lol trying to move the goal post eh mans0n
11[00:05] <@Rayvyn> lol
11[00:06] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, have a merry chistmas....
[00:06] <+mans0n> Rayvyn thinks pedantry is a winning argument
[00:06] <+mans0n> when it only shows how deep the rot of party loyalism is
11[00:06] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, no proving you wrong is winning an agrument
[00:06] <+mans0n> rewriting history in support of anti-human rights policy of the democratic party
11[00:06] <@Rayvyn> you were wrong, period, end bye
[00:06] <+mans0n> its just a lesser form of holocaust denial
[00:06] <+mans0n> and Rayvyn is doing it
[00:06] <+mans0n> and proud of it
[00:07] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: fuck youuuuuuu
11[00:07] <@Rayvyn> keep telling yourself you were right and making a fool of yourself when you konw it, zeno knows it  and everyone else knows it.
11[00:07] <@Rayvyn> lol oh yea fuuuuuck me, sorry you're not my type
[00:07] <+Spurf> :-(
[00:08] <+Spurf> :-)
11[00:08] <@Rayvyn> obama was a dick for not supporting gay marriage in 2008
11[00:09] <@Rayvyn> and not just because he didn't support it, he didn't support it because he thought it would cost him votes if he did.
[00:09] <+mans0n> https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2008-democratic-party-platform      the party did not support it.
[00:09] <@`411> — "2008 Democratic Party Platform | The American Presidency Project"
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[00:11] <+mans0n> "Vice President Joe Biden has endorsed same-sex marriage, becoming the highest ranking American official to back marriage for gay and lesbian people."   May 6 2012
[00:11] <+mans0n> it was only added to the platform AFTER this.
11[00:11] <@Rayvyn> but you didn't say the party you said no candidate
[00:11] <+mans0n> without biden forcing his hand, it is doubtful that the democrats ever would have supported it in 2012.
[00:11] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: dipshit, you know we were talking about presidential nomination, why are you lying?
[00:11] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: dipshit, you know we were talking about presidential nomination, why are you lying?
[00:12] <+mans0n> .Rayvyn: dipshit, you know we were talking about presidential nomination, why are you lying?
[00:12] <+mans0n> .Rayvyn: dipshit, you know we were talking about presidential nomination, why are you lying?
11[00:12] <@Rayvyn> "We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us."
[00:12] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: do you see that as an endorsement of gay marriagE?
[00:12] <+mans0n> lollll
11[00:12] <@Rayvyn> lol now he's repeatign himself like a loony
11[00:13] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, give it up, you were wrong
[00:13] <+mans0n> the democrats would call that a "policy of strategic ambiguity"
[00:13] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: i am 100% correct.
[00:13] <+mans0n> the democrats opposed gay marriage until 2012 when joe biden 'leaked' that obama supported it.
11[00:14] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, where in that platform does it say the dnc opposed gay marriage?
[00:14] <+mans0n> lolll
[00:14] <+mans0n> now we're going there
[00:14] <+mans0n> look at this guy
[00:14] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: STOP TRYING TO REWRITE HISTORY: DEMOCRATS OPENLY OPPOSED EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAY PEOPLE UNTIL 2012.
[00:14] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: stop making excuses for their inhumanity
11[00:14] <@Rayvyn> lol yea because you just posted it and i don't see in there where it says the dnc opposed gay marriage like you claimed
[00:14] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: stop making excuses for their inhumanity
[00:14] <+mans0n> .Rayvyn: stop making excuses for their inhumanity
[00:14] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: STOP TRYING TO REWRITE HISTORY: DEMOCRATS OPENLY OPPOSED EQUAL RIGHTS FOR GAY PEOPLE UNTIL 2012.
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: these were my rights they opposed
11[00:15] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, where in the dnc party platform you just posted did they oppose gay marriage?
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: maybe i have a greater sense of what they were doing than you do
11[00:15] <@Rayvyn> where?
11[00:15] <@Rayvyn> nowhere
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: maybe you dont care about gay rights
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: maybe you dont care about gay rights, to you its a game
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: maybe you dont care about gay rights, to you its just rooting for political teams
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: maybe you dont care
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: i cared
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: these were my rights they opposed
[00:15] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: these were my rights they refused to give me
11[00:15] <@Rayvyn> i'm going to put this log on pastebin so we can have a big laugh about this
[00:16] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: they opposed treating me as an equal human until 2012
[00:16] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: lets do it!!
11[00:16] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you said the democratic party opposed gay marriage in 2008 as a plank in their platform, can you give me an exact quote?
[00:16] <+mans0n> Rayvyn is functionally like a holocaust denier right now
[00:17] <+mans0n> instead he is denying that the democrats ever opposed granting gay people their basic human rights
[00:17] <+mans0n> living in a world that never existed
[00:17] <+mans0n> because his party loyalism goes that deep
[00:17] <+mans0n> he will excuse their opposition to basic human rights
[00:17] <+mans0n> what a fuckin scumbag
11[00:17] <@Rayvyn> " <+mans0n> (02:52 +   mans0n) ZERO of the candidates that got a delegate in 2008 supported gay marriage" bahahahaha i missed that one, oh so now it's only candidates who got delegates lol
[00:17] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: fuck you
[00:17] <+mans0n> living in a world that never existed
[00:17] <+mans0n> he will excuse their opposition to basic human rights
[00:17] <+mans0n> because his party loyalism goes that deep
[00:17] <+mans0n> what a fuckin scumbag
[00:17] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: fuck you
11[00:17] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, why so pissy?
11[00:18] <@Rayvyn> lol
[00:18] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: because youre openly pretending history didnt happen
[00:18] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: and you think its funny
[00:18] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: and the thing youre defending is a disgusting refusal to give people basic human rights
[00:18] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: pretending it never happened
[00:18] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: fuck you
11[00:18] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, what history, there is no history of the DNC platform opposing gay marriage in 2008
[00:18] <+mans0n> wow
[00:18] <+mans0n> look at this guy!
[00:19] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: you better work on putting this on pastebin
[00:19] <+mans0n> im sure the brock trolls you hang out with will love it
11[00:19] <@Rayvyn> oh don't worry it will be going up
[00:19] <+mans0n> send me the link
[00:19] <+mans0n> so i can put it on some efknockr bots to spam all of irc with it
11[00:19] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, why would you even post the DNC platform without reading it
[00:19] <+mans0n> send me the link
[00:19] <+mans0n> im sure the brock trolls you hang out with will love it
[00:20] <+mans0n> we are going to amplify this !
11[00:20] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, do you realize that you are becoming a lauging stock in here, people aren't taking you seriously
11[00:20] <@Rayvyn> when you do shit like that, you lose credibility, you're going down the road of VMSguy and Viper40
[00:20] <+mans0n> Rayvyn: i have history on my side: the democrats opposed gay marriage, human rights for all, until 2012
[00:21] <+mans0n> wheres that pastebin link
11[00:21] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, SOME democats opposed it
11[00:21] <@Rayvyn> not all
[00:21] <+mans0n> wheres that pastebin link
11[00:21] <@Rayvyn> i'm not doing it now
[00:21] <+mans0n> well i need it
[00:21] <+mans0n> https://git.supernets.org/acidvegas/efknockr   we gonna blast that shit out to every channel on iRC
[00:21] <@`411> — "acidvegas/efknockr: A mass flood script for IRC to attack a large number of networks and channels. - SuperGIT"
11[00:21] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, i'll put it up after christmas
[00:22] <+mans0n> "Ravyn on #RebelYell undernet thinks the democrats did not oppose gay marriage in 2008, celebrates their defense of gay rights  https://pastebin.com/example - Go message him to tell him what you think!"
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11[00:22] <@Rayvyn> lol have fun
[00:22] <+mans0n> is that copy acceptable
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11[00:23] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, why did you post the platform?
[00:23] <+Zeno> https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/24/facebook-suspends-accounts-over-alabama-senate-race-tactics/2409952002/
[00:23] <@`411> — "Facebook suspends accounts over Alabama Senate race tactics"
[00:24] <+mans0n> Zeno: new knowledge was just defending america!!!
[00:24] <+Zeno> mans0n  so it was Dems using the medding tactics
[00:25] <+mans0n> Zeno: it doesnt count, because they were just doing it for fun!
[00:25] <+Zeno> mans0n   it was an experiment!
11[00:26] <@Rayvyn> no it was a lie campaign to pin it on russians, but here is the diff, it was americans doing it
11[00:28] <@Rayvyn> i guess if anyone says something bad about a politician, it can be seen as an illegal campaign contribution huh?
[00:28] <+mans0n> lollll
[00:28] <+Zeno> Rayvyn   you are saying if someone posts fake news on FB in a campaign... it is only wrong if a non-American does it.
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11[00:29] <@Rayvyn> Zeno, no it's wrong if a candidate pays a firm to do it as a media campaign
[00:29] <+Zeno> Rayvyn   you mean like ShareBlue?
11[00:29] <@Rayvyn> don't know who they are, but if they did it then yes
[00:30] <+mans0n> lol
[00:30] <+mans0n> Zeno: isnt it amazing how little die hard party loyalists know about their own party?
11[00:30] <@Rayvyn> the obama campaign broke campaign laws, were found guilty and fined
[00:30] <+mans0n> Zeno: doesnt know who share blue is/
11[00:30] <@Rayvyn> the crime, submitting documents late
[00:30] <+mans0n> Zeno: i be he doesnt know about the Democratic Leadership Council, Third Way, New Democrats, etc..etc..etc
[00:31] <+mans0n> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/?noredirect=on
[00:31] <+mans0n> "On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC"
[00:31] <@`411> — "How a super PAC plans to coordinate directly with Hillary Clinton’s campaign - The Washington Post"
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[00:32] <+mans0n> lulzzzz
11[00:32] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, was there anything illegal about it? did they report it if they paid them?
[00:32] <+Zeno> mans0n  oh I remember that!
11[00:32] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, what was illegal about it?
[00:32] <+mans0n> "the FEC rules specify that online activities are exempted from campaign finance rules if they are conducted by "uncompensated" individuals, campaign finance lawyers noted. It is unclear how Correct the Record, whose staff will be paid, plans to navigate that restriction."
[00:33] <+mans0n> HINT: it was illegal, nobody held them accountable.
[00:33] <+mans0n> its only immoral if you get caught!!!
[00:34] <+mans0n> its only immoral if you dont find an obscure loophole that breaks the law without technically violating it!!
[00:35] <+mans0n> *sounds of furious googling in the background*
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11[00:49] <@Rayvyn> mans0n, you need sleep, nothing in there proves it was a crime, in fact you make a case for why it was not a crime
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11[00:49] <@Rayvyn> i give up, this fool doesn't even know he's proving himself wrong