sun/star

20 January 2018
[22:14] clefairiel: Did you speak with Soundwave privately?
[22:33] thesunfan: only a tiny bit
21 January 2018
[04:55] clefairiel: If I had an orb I'd probably be using it between you, Celirra, Charu, although if you came back with a green on either of those 2 I can't say I'd know what to do with it unless you had a log that supported unalignment
[04:56] thesunfan: more people are saying charu than I expected to see
[04:56] clefairiel: Why
[04:56] thesunfan: can I get an official vote between cel and charu btw
[04:56] thesunfan: no one was talking about him before
[04:56] thesunfan: like for the lynch it was only tokzic and flashflash, I thought
[04:59] clefairiel: People giving reasons for reads in this game is few and far between
[04:59] thesunfan: that'll probably change now that we are together
[04:59] thesunfan: or it ought to at least
[05:00] clefairiel: I really don't know if it's just charisma or something that killed momentum on our side against Charu or if it is alignment indicative for anyone
[05:01] thesunfan: I think that's most of what he survives off of as a wolf
[05:01] thesunfan: but he's not the only one
25 January 2018
[21:26] thesunfan: why is the game annoying you
[21:28] clefairiel: I don't feel like I'm making any progress with my leans
[21:29] clefairiel: I think I sus WV the most but him talking about how he feels he lost the game for town and such just makes me feel bad
[21:30] thesunfan: i've been in the same position before
[21:30] thesunfan: he was a wolf then
[21:30] thesunfan: if tha tmakes you feel any better
[21:36] clefairiel: A lot of the constructs of this game annoy me I guess as well, which is a bummer because I enjoy Survivor so I was extra hyped for it
[21:36] thesunfan: I guess I would need you to be more specific
[21:36] thesunfan: but ultimately
[21:36] thesunfan: sorry you're getting frustrated
[21:37] clefairiel: I presume I will feel better if we hang a mafia
[21:38] thesunfan: I feel good about this phase
[21:38] thesunfan: so
[21:38] thesunfan: I'm getting that will happen
[21:49] clefairiel: I have never played in a game this big before, and it being OOTC and with night talk is getting overwhelming, with the lack of confirmed info from the setup not really helping either. It is I guess the opposite of the orb game, where it was easier for the town. But I enjoyed that game a lot because I had some strong ideas at the start of who I did and did not want lynched, and from those core ideas other details developed over time. I was really dejected at the start of the last night, because if the mafias get the idol that basically means we cannot make any more mistakes (in spite of all the uncertainty), but given what DBP said it seems more possible that they will not ever find it.

The rest of my annoyance is basically just that the challenges have not really been suited to anything I am good at and most of the reward challenges seem like inside jokes, kind of.
[21:55] thesunfan: crowdpleaser was not an inside joke
[21:55] thesunfan: that was just a ffr riddle
[21:55] thesunfan: this one, congragulations is a pretty big meme
[21:55] thesunfan: im kicking myself for missing it
[21:55] thesunfan: (assuming its right btw, it looks to be)
[21:56] clefairiel: I suppose it's not actually unfair to have an FFR riddle on a site on FFR, I am just never going to be the one that gets it
[21:58] clefairiel: When it is time sensitive and at 4am as well haha
[22:00] thesunfan: yeahhhh
[22:00] thesunfan: the time zone will probably never not be a problem
[22:00] thesunfan: on ffr at least
26 January 2018
[01:16] thesunfan: thesunfan - Today at 8:03 PM
we know 4 wolves
imo, there's probably 3 outside of my poe
but idc what I think
who do you think has a chance of being a wolf outside of t-force, wv, soundwave
people that a lot of people want dead
because that's not all of the game right there
[01:19] clefairiel: Knights obv
[01:21] clefairiel: Also what is that quoted from
[01:24] clefairiel: I doubt I would vote tforce or sound today actually
[01:25] clefairiel: Eh I guess t force actually is worse than last game
[01:27] clefairiel: But I voted for Tokzic over Ben (And tforce) and then Ben over tforce
[01:33] clefairiel: It's preeetty hard to put 4 mafias together without 1 of jrodd & tforce though
[01:36] clefairiel: WV and knights I sus most. Celirra is #1-#2 town material and for everybody else I'm just trying to puzzle out best and worst chances of unalignments
[01:39] clefairiel:
But I voted for Tokzic over Ben (And tforce) and then Ben over tforce

I mean maybe it's sunken cost fallacy but I don't want to spend my whole game voting for somebody I explicitly thought was less scum between them and the previous lynch
[01:40] clefairiel: Granted I don't even know why I feel guilty for Tokzic dying. I only even voted him because Shado begged me to pick a wagon for like 15 minutes
[01:43] clefairiel: Soundwave has real potential to be a town as opposed to somebody more talkative, I think, but I'm taking into consideration people saying he's tryhard
[01:43] clefairiel: Too tryhard to be town I mean
[02:52] thesunfan: yeah, I didn't know that feeling had a name
[02:52] thesunfan: but yeah
[02:52] thesunfan: I've actually had that feeling
[02:52] thesunfan: its exactly what I'm doing
[02:52] thesunfan: and it keeps being wrong
[02:52] thesunfan: it stinks
[02:52] thesunfan: that's a good name
[02:53] thesunfan: sunken is how I feel so it fits
[02:53] thesunfan: I don't think soundwave has ever been described as a tryhard wolf
[02:53] thesunfan: but I think I see what you're saying
[02:53] thesunfan: he's def fought to very bitter ends before
27 January 2018
[00:13] clefairiel: If he actually trusted jrodd I would find it weird
[00:14] clefairiel: But my understanding is he does not
[00:14] thesunfan: huh
[00:15] clefairiel: As far as why dbp wouldn't dm jrodd
[00:19] thesunfan: it would be necessary
[00:19] thesunfan: for what you're thinking to happen
[00:19] thesunfan: if he didn't trust him he would just say stuff like "I think a wolf won reward"
[00:19] thesunfan: instead of this
[00:19] thesunfan: since we know that almost certainly one of the two of them won reward
[00:19] thesunfan: just not who
[00:21] clefairiel: Seemed like it could have been you or WV maybe
[00:23] thesunfan: it wasn't me
[00:23] thesunfan: I sent in a few snipes
[00:23] thesunfan: but I didn't win
[00:23] clefairiel: But I guess that is fair that it could point toward dbp trying to make a big play
[00:23] thesunfan: esp entering lylo
[00:23] clefairiel: Depending on his mindset
[00:23] thesunfan: or, presumably entering lylo
[00:25] thesunfan: hey uh
[00:25] thesunfan: have you read what I posted between haku and I?
[00:25] thesunfan: I would like your thoughts on it
[00:26] thesunfan: and uh
[00:26] thesunfan: I'd like to talk some if you're free
[00:26] thesunfan: I'm not really sure how much time I have
[00:26] thesunfan: but we haven't really talked
[00:26] thesunfan: and I'd like ti
[00:36] thesunfan: ?
[00:39] thesunfan: i uh
[00:39] thesunfan: saw you typing
[00:39] thesunfan: if you don't have the time I get it
[00:39] thesunfan: its probably pretty late over there
[00:39] thesunfan: I just want to talk
[00:40] thesunfan: but if that can't happen I get it
[00:58] clefairiel: Not really sure how my night is going to go but I will message you later if I can. As far as Haku, I have not paid as much attention to as others since premerge, mostly because I felt we were "mindmelding" emotionally. At the end of the last day I noticed it and am trying to fix that. I am going to assess what Haku has been doing in DMs and make a judgment from there. Haku would not need to admit the vote change as a wolf (no proof) and I'm not really sure that Haku would expect to look better to others from saying it. So I don't really look at it as the key to whether Haku's game is genuine regardless. Though I am less familiar with what a Haku wolf looks like.
[00:59] thesunfan: he would need to admit the vote change from my perspective
[00:59] thesunfan: its better to tell the truth there than risk potentially getting caught in a lie later
[00:59] thesunfan: as you recall, someone has a power that the wolves don't know
[00:59] thesunfan: as a result of whoever winning the reward
[00:59] thesunfan: assuming wolves didn't win it
[01:00] thesunfan: this would cover that messing with that
[01:00] thesunfan: does that make sense?
[01:00] thesunfan: and if you believe that he could be town
[01:00] thesunfan: there has to be some possible reasoning behind him doing that
[01:00] thesunfan: regardless of him owning up to it
[01:00] thesunfan: and I can't think of a reason why
[01:01] thesunfan: his official reason was that wv called him and trevor w/w in logs
[01:01] thesunfan: so he voted him to disprove that in a game where voting cannot be verified
[01:01] thesunfan: it doesn't make sense
[01:02] clefairiel: I had not thought that much about the power but working from those assumptions I can understand your theory
[01:04] clefairiel: Ummm..I can empathize with it as an emotional choice
[01:05] thesunfan: he doesn't play by his sleeve like that
[01:05] thesunfan: he is not an emotional player
[01:05] thesunfan: I can understand cel voting freezin because he was mad
[01:05] thesunfan: I can't understand haku doing that because he was... upset(?) that wv thought he and trevor could be together
[01:05] thesunfan: that kind of strong reaction shouldn't stem from a read like that
[01:07] clefairiel: In hindsight, part of why I ultimately voted Ben was worrying that if he was mafia it would make me look bad, or make me basically like an accidental 5th mafia member from how much I had defended him
[01:07] clefairiel: That was not the only reason
[01:07] clefairiel: Or the most important one
[01:08] thesunfan: that's not really the kind of thing you need to worry about
[01:08] thesunfan: if you're townie, it ought to show
[01:09] clefairiel: I am aware of that
[01:09] thesunfan: but the feeling still existed
[01:09] thesunfan: I get that townies can be illogical
[01:09] thesunfan: but what haku did
[01:09] thesunfan: was not only that
[01:09] thesunfan: it was nonsense to do as a town member
[01:13] thesunfan: if he wanted to prove that he and trevor were not together
[01:13] thesunfan: he should say so
[01:13] thesunfan: and tell people that he voted trevor
[01:14] thesunfan: rather than tell cel that his vote was on neee and that he didn't think he was going to move it
[01:16] clefairiel: I'll consider it
[01:16] clefairiel: And ask more questions
[01:18] thesunfan: since then
[01:18] thesunfan: haku instead of trying to convinnce people otherwise
[01:18] thesunfan: has said that he will grind immunity
[01:18] thesunfan: that's not townie
[01:18] thesunfan: its focused on survivor 1 more phase
[01:18] thesunfan: rahter than tring to win the game as town
[01:18] thesunfan: its a wolfy thing to do
[01:20] clefairiel: I missed that
[01:20] clefairiel: Kind of contradictory to what I was told in private actually
[01:21] clefairiel: I don't feel like sitting through a bunch of other 72 hours
[01:27] thesunfan: that something he said?
[01:27] clefairiel: Yeah
[01:28] clefairiel: 3 hours and 10 minutes before the grind comment