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  1. [05:34:05] <Curious> ya still didnt answer the question able
  2. [05:34:35] <CrystalShine> (And there is difference about AC and DC wires :P Insulation colouring)
  3. [05:34:51] <Able_Tome> just returned back
  4. [05:35:48] <Able_Tome> all equipment is installed and to be worked with in that work environment. First batch of equipment (double of everything on the list) was: http://pastebin.com/Y81zJwmA
  5. [05:36:09] <CrystalShine> *between. Fuu, I'm still tired
  6. [05:37:02] <CrystalShine> >Vault producing Crystal Meth
  7. [05:37:04] <Able_Tome> Then there were expansions on that, insulator, alchemy sets that probably include some cold iron tools in it
  8. [05:37:25] <Able_Tome> huehue
  9. [05:40:15] <Able_Tome> Additionally what waasn't on the list - was on economical ledger
  10. [05:40:48] <Able_Tome> those were ordered back then together with what was listed on zee paste
  11. [05:42:49] <Able_Tome> Some vials were recovered from Kain's cottage 'n Hive, utensils here and there, iron, glass, silver, cold iron
  12. [05:43:47] <Curious> fuming nitric acid and sulfuric from sulfur and water+ tricks!?
  13. [05:43:53] <Curious> u wot
  14. [05:44:03] <Curious> nevermind, i'll take it
  15. [05:46:25] <Curious> fucking hell, if we've got this crap what in the blazes are we waiting for?
  16. [05:47:21] <Able_Tome> People, of course. NPCs work on their own pace. :3
  17. [05:47:45] <CrystalShine> heh… >tfw knew there is well equipped chemical laboratory longer than some oldfags…
  18. [05:48:47] <Curious> how much is there? last time i checked, bloody fuming nitric acid wasnt there, how the hell?
  19. [05:49:07] <Curious> and last time I asked our sulfuric acid was "very little, not going to waste it on your pet projects"
  20. [05:49:15] <Able_Tome> It was there since the beginning, meaning with first batch of lab equipment, meaning last year's june
  21. [05:49:36] <Able_Tome> And it's standard quantities as given per economic ledger, per order
  22. [05:49:49] <Able_Tome> first order included double the standard size/quantity of everything
  23. [05:50:02] <Curious> fug I knew this.
  24. [05:50:07] <Able_Tome> 'very little'
  25. [05:50:13] <Auraway> shiny!
  26. [05:50:22] Auraway snouts shine
  27. [05:50:26] Auraway [[email protected]] is now known as Aura
  28. [05:50:29] <Curious> yes, wasnt the sulfuric acid only 1 import? not constant imports?
  29. [05:50:34] <Able_Tome> Most chem lab resources so far were used for aiding miners and prospecting/ore identification
  30. [05:50:52] <Able_Tome> 1 'standard import' is 5 liters of it iirc
  31. [05:51:26] <Able_Tome> *4 liters
  32. [05:51:39] <Aura> hey able
  33. [05:51:40] <Able_Tome> meaning that there were 8 liters of it durin' first delivery
  34. [05:51:42] <Aura> how are you
  35. [05:51:49] <Aura> mad scientist
  36. [05:52:01] <Aura> el psy congroo
  37. [05:52:04] <Aura> over
  38. [05:52:14] <Curious> cuz on the science ledger it lists all the flasks and things, and logic tells us we arent ordering 50 roundbottom flasks per month
  39. [05:52:35] <Curious> so why would the chemicals?
  40. [05:53:38] <Aura> http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/327/3/0/tuturu__mayushii_pony_desu_by_cream_pan-d4h3trr.png
  41. [05:53:39] <Able_Tome> When you order '1 standard unit' of a 'chemical', it comes in a container - 4 liters for sulphuric acid
  42. [05:53:50] <Curious> yes. so we only have 4 liters total
  43. [05:53:58] <Able_Tome> 8 liters
  44. [05:54:17] <Curious> per month?
  45. [05:54:52] Able_Tome wonders why would you need 8 liters per month of sulfuric acid for *lab environnment*
  46. [05:55:05] <Able_Tome> lab != manufacturing environment
  47. [05:55:21] <Curious> but the only reason i'd need it is for large scale manufacture
  48. [05:55:28] <Able_Tome> ...
  49. [05:55:31] <Able_Tome> ... no?
  50. [05:55:37] <Curious> yes
  51. [05:56:03] <Able_Tome> Not at all. Well 'you would need it'
  52. [05:56:11] <Curious> yes, >I
  53. [05:56:28] <Able_Tome> I'm talking about Vault's lab which is mostly used for [insert ^^^ above]
  54. [05:56:52] <Able_Tome> It was not used by PCs, mostly, so there was no need to order things in 'manufacturing quantities'
  55. [05:57:16] <Curious> and theorhetically, should it be used, it can be upgraded as such?
  56. [05:57:58] <Able_Tome> Provided if more things will be needed? Yeah/
  57. [05:58:00] <Able_Tome> *?
  58. [05:58:07] Aura rolls away with tears in her eyes as she is ignored
  59. [05:58:17] Able_Tome pokes Aura
  60. [05:58:25] <Aura> :'<
  61. [05:58:35] Able_Tome brushes that tear away :'3
  62. [05:58:41] Aura nuzzles able
  63. [05:59:25] <Curious> you cheeky bastard. moaning all this time about people not coming to the vault to do stuff, we see that you have things that are itneresting, but not in right amounts. I know for damn sure it's been discussed before and this never came up
  64. [06:00:03] Starfire [[email protected]] has joined #Fourcannon
  65. [06:00:13] Aura nose-stamps Starfire
  66. [06:00:17] <Able_Tome> >discussing things in OOC/Main >keeping track of events happening in character
  67. [06:00:21] <Aura> Starfire is now aura-approved
  68. [06:00:32] <Able_Tome> That list was pending ever since mid january, last year, kek
  69. [06:00:35] <Aura> "aurapproved"
  70. [06:00:43] <Able_Tome> Buuut everyone was consumed by council drama
  71. [06:01:03] <Curious> yes I know able. I remembering seeing it before and asking you 'only 8 liters? darn'
  72. [06:01:09] <Star_> Okay...just finished...https://docs.google.com/document/d/10g0NVYxOsVsWtoVZFbEsO6Txqdv2xOnclR4LwZa9Rc4/edit#
  73. [06:01:37] <Star_> This is a TL;DR of the step-by-step guide I made to make effective corrections to gameplay issues
  74. [06:01:43] <Curious> "but its too expensive for anything larger than that. sorry"
  75. [06:01:50] <Star_> That way, we could easily stop mechanics flaws
  76. [06:01:57] <Star_> *spot
  77. [06:02:34] <CrystalShine> Curious: Heh. 8L is more than enough for lab.
  78. [06:02:41] <Star_> I've also added some ideas of my own that need some looking over
  79. [06:02:54] <Curious> im talking about using it for manufacture, crystal.
  80. [06:03:19] <Curious> like....probably AT LEAST 50L. and thats without looking at any sort of actual numbers
  81. [06:03:29] <Able_Tome> Well, then you 'place an order' when you have something to manufacture - aka present things to counci---
  82. [06:03:41] <Able_Tome> >50L of H2S04
  83. [06:03:49] <CrystalShine> Of course, but any disappointment about ammount of chemicals lab orders is well.. heh.
  84. [06:03:54] <Star_> Das a lotta H2SO4
  85. [06:04:11] <Star_> CHUG
  86. [06:04:12] <Star_> CHUG
  87. [06:04:12] <Curious> >council can i have 50L of sulfuric and nitric acid?
  88. [06:04:12] <Star_> CHUG
  89. [06:04:13] <Star_> CHUG
  90. [06:04:13] <Star_> CHUG
  91. [06:04:14] <Star_> CHUG
  92. [06:04:14] <Star_> CHUG
  93. [06:04:15] <Star_> CHUG
  94. [06:04:17] <Able_Tome> ..... what are you even planning to create using that much of it? It's not like we have proper equipment to support that batch
  95. [06:04:23] <Able_Tome> >Council: "Why?
  96. [06:04:29] <Able_Tome> wait
  97. [06:04:33] <Curious> >implying any reason would suffice
  98. [06:04:33] <CrystalShine> Shitload of batteries :D
  99. [06:04:34] <Able_Tome> >sulfuric and nitric acid
  100. [06:04:41] <Able_Tome> nigger
  101. [06:04:45] <CrystalShine> yah
  102. [06:04:46] Able_Tome knows where this is going
  103. [06:04:49] <Curious> and yes crystal, batteries would be good
  104. [06:04:50] <CrystalShine> I caught that too.
  105. [06:05:02] <Curious> whereto?
  106. [06:05:16] <Curious> I know arc glow asked for sulfuric but zip, nadda
  107. [06:05:28] <Curious> no batteries we dont have enough sulfuric acid
  108. [06:05:47] <Able_Tome> why would you want to create batteries?
  109. [06:06:01] <Able_Tome> in a 'village environment'
  110. [06:06:17] <Star_> ^
  111. [06:06:24] <Curious> .....u wot
  112. [06:06:30] <Curious> because theyre batteries
  113. [06:06:40] <Able_Tome> ... and?
  114. [06:06:45] <Curious> portable electricity
  115. [06:06:46] <Able_Tome> Do you have something to use them with?
  116. [06:06:48] Tonic [[email protected]] has joined #Fourcannon
  117. [06:07:04] <Star_> Morning, Tonic
  118. [06:07:11] <Tonic> morning
  119. [06:07:19] <Curious> 1 light, 2 cooking, 3 heating
  120. [06:07:30] <Able_Tome> A battery needs more than those components... that and 'portable electrici----- >cooking >heating
  121. [06:07:32] <Able_Tome> >light
  122. [06:07:36] <Able_Tome> >feasable with batteries
  123. [06:07:41] <Direct_Current> do we have any electricity powered lightning
  124. [06:07:54] <CrystalShine> Direct_Current: Not yet
  125. [06:08:03] <Curious> have you never cooked pancakes with a car battery?
  126. [06:08:25] <Able_Tome> Car's battery = accumulator
  127. [06:08:54] <Curious> and so you hook it up to a pan and things to turn it into conductor
  128. [06:08:54] <Able_Tome> It's not exactly your standard battery y'can make and recharge, heh
  129. [06:09:02] <CrystalShine> Curious: So, you want to create TNT in Vault?
  130. [06:09:09] <Able_Tome> ^
  131. [06:09:16] <Able_Tome> Basically that's what I was thinking about...
  132. [06:09:34] <Able_Tome> ... buuuut.... >nitroglycerin >manufacturing it in closed confines
  133. [06:09:39] <Curious> TNT was one idea. batteries and such were another
  134. [06:09:41] <Curious> and that
  135. [06:09:45] <CrystalShine> Able_Tome: I don't see many other reasons for making nitro compounds.
  136. [06:10:05] <Curious> but then again, it would boost output so why /arent/ we doing it?
  137. [06:10:24] <Curious> in which case, we're back to the point: we dont have enough to do anything with anyway
  138. [06:10:53] <Able_Tome> Yup... well there were talks about about manufacturing nitroglycerin, and that's basically why you'd need those components. Problem is... we don't exactly have a 'stabilizer' for TNT... improvised at best
  139. [06:11:03] <Curious> sawdust
  140. [06:11:37] <CrystalShine> That could actually work well.
  141. [06:11:41] <Able_Tome> ^ Which is improvised and causes some problems with 'degradation' if yer planning it for long term keeping
  142. [06:11:54] <Curious> we arent planning long term keeping
  143. [06:12:04] <Curious> it should be used within the month, this shit aint a toy
  144. [06:12:16] <Able_Tome> But anything nitroglycerin related would have to be moved away from town's perimeter.
  145. [06:12:48] <Curious> thats fine. a shop close-ish to the mines would be preferable anyway
  146. [06:12:49] <Able_Tome> aaaaand.... well.... suffice to say it's one hell of a bitch to work with... even in small quantities...
  147. [06:13:02] WhiteLight [~White@2607:5300:100:200::4bf] is now known as WhiteLight|Offline
  148. [06:13:05] <Curious> and yes, indeed. output would be worth it though
  149. [06:15:03] <Able_Tome> It's easy to talk about it when we have 'offscreen'... but honestly, we did some of 'the fun stuff' back in high school with this.... it's a bitch to make, toxic fumes, equipment/vials heating up so you need to keep shit cooled, but not overcooled - or reaction starts to slow down
  150. [06:15:56] <Able_Tome> and then 'collecting' and keeping it stable... output's rather small and process is rather long due to safety concerns
  151. [06:16:01] <Curious> oh? you have some experience with it? splendid
  152. [06:17:07] <Able_Tome> Yeh.... out chem teacher back then decided to show us the process during extra curriculars, hue (even if it was technically against school's policy, lel)
  153. [06:18:01] <Curious> hes off the clock he's his own man. [that was our teachers justification]
  154. [06:19:33] <Curious> and hm....if youre on board with this able, i'd absolutely love to move forward.
  155. [06:21:21] <Able_Tome> There's another problem - getting that glycerin... It's either ordering it (which might be a problem, because glycerin is produced out of... well... unless Equestrians kill animals, hue, you won't get it from them) or trying to derive it from carcass fats
  156. [06:21:35] <Tonic> woo jumbo sherman get
  157. [06:22:55] <Curious> oh piss, didnt think about that. full fight club....yeah. We might be able to come up with an in house solution aye? something more ponylike? I really fell in love with cloud balloons and electro web instead of hydrogen and copper wire. But thats just a thought.
  158. [06:23:16] <Curious> we'd need massive amounts of fats...theres no easy way to get that other than ordering it yeah
  159. [06:25:20] <Able_Tome> [13:24:24] <Able_Tome> We 'can' make glycerin, it's nothing special, but this is something I don't remember how to do, tbh. It's rather easy to do - animal fats and iirc plant oils... ugh, that's the part that I don't remember
  160. [06:26:37] <Able_Tome> You melt the solution, add oils, still, continue heating up and keeping at one temperature and then fat gets 'broken down' into heavier liquid - glycerin - on the bottom and other byproducts floating on top
  161. [06:26:42] <Curious> [and as an afterthought, that ethanol on the list is.....ethyl alcohol or just rubbng]
  162. [06:27:09] <Curious> then you chill it slowly, it hardens, scrape off the glycerin
  163. [06:27:26] <Able_Tome> Ooooh
  164. [06:27:35] <Able_Tome> well, by the looks of it, a 'lye solution' works
  165. [06:27:44] <Able_Tome> (but it's not something that I would remember in character)
  166. [06:28:15] <Able_Tome> Some NPC might, kek, but yeah... it's easy to make as long as you have animal fats
  167. [06:28:27] <Curious> [aw piss....well thats what experimenting is for. we have half a map now we need to figure out the other parts from memory]
  168. [06:28:27] <Able_Tome> (but we'd need lots of it)
  169. [06:28:51] <Curious> and correct, no feasible way other than going out and just killing a mammoth, basically
  170. [06:29:06] <Curious> hrm....maybe ask equestria for their lipsuction byproduct eh?
  171. [06:29:15] <Curious> liposuction*
  172. [06:29:18] <Able_Tome> Well.... or all those rabbits/wolves/whatever :3 But all that's going to waste so far
  173. [06:29:23] <Able_Tome> >liposuction
  174. [06:29:28] Able_Tome keks
  175. [06:29:40] <Able_Tome> Going full Fight Club thar
  176. [06:30:26] <Curious> yarp. but what other methods of import would their be?
  177. [06:30:38] <Curious> just ask for lots of fats I guess?
  178. [06:31:54] <Able_Tome> y'need animal fats specifically for it iirc, so... that's the largest constraint that was so far when talking about 'TNT'/Nitroglycerin
  179. [06:32:06] <Star_> Guhh...going to bed...
  180. [06:32:12] <Curious> night star
  181. [06:32:18] <Able_Tome> night'o
  182. [06:32:32] <Star_> Night, talk to you guys later in a few hours when I wake up
  183. [06:32:49] Star_ [[email protected]] has quit IRC: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
  184. [06:33:16] <Curious> what other glycerin were you thinking? animal fat was the only method available I thought. apart from the toxic mess of synthetic
  185. [06:33:17] <Able_Tome> Some fat can be scraped off from things that are hunted on, but it will take time and needs 'pouchers' to be informed about 'wasting fat'
  186. [06:33:39] <Able_Tome> pretty much animal fat only
  187. [06:34:09] <Curious> we could inform them yeah. we never had a figure for how much they actually hunted though
  188. [06:34:43] <Curious> though thats a blessing in disguise, really.
  189. [06:35:19] <CrystalShine> Able_Tome: theoretically, tannery should be able to produce it.
  190. [06:36:04] <Curious> we have multiple tanners too. so double the fat input
  191. [06:36:38] <Able_Tome> >multiple tanners too
  192. [06:36:41] <Able_Tome> >double the fat input
  193. [06:36:53] <Able_Tome> Why would you do such a thing~? :3
  194. [06:37:19] <Curious> kill the tanners, toss them on the pile~
  195. [06:37:28] <Curious> glycerin for the mining gods
  196. [06:38:04] <Able_Tome> (that's what you do in dwarf fortress after fisherdwarves and cheese maker numbers get exhausted~)
  197. [06:38:36] <Curious> you make them work till they literally cant and kill them?
  198. [06:38:38] <Able_Tome> Or rather 'fish cleaners' and 'cheese makers'
  199. [06:38:53] <Able_Tome> No, you build a 'drop chamber' hue
  200. [06:39:02] <Curious> vault confirmed for gulag
  201. [06:39:23] <Able_Tome> pls~ As if you know what gulags are :3
  202. [06:39:36] GreenHoof|Sleep [[email protected]] is now known as GreenHoof
  203. [06:39:43] <Able_Tome> They were just multiple holiday vacation spots with many activities~
  204. [06:39:53] <Curious> and siberian tigers!
  205. [06:40:34] <Able_Tome> Pls~ Is a perfect rehab. Clean, fresh air, nature, clean water ;3
  206. [06:40:50] <Curious> alright, I think we hit peak production point, tonight. and I think I se the sun rising. goodnight
  207. [06:41:06] <Curious> more to come
  208. [06:41:06] Able_Tome gets dragged out by irl too
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