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This is the beginning of your direct message history with @Berenal.
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 6:02 PM
Hey. I was added to the SLP Discord this morning via the Brotherhood of the Horse as our guild adheres to the SLP standards, and was removed without messge or warning. I understand I have had issues in the past with people, but I have not involved myself with anyone in a long time and would prefer it if whomever was responsible would keep their personal issues rescinded from our involvement in the RP community.
Merry Christmas on behalf of myself and my guild. :christmas_tree:
Berenal - Last Monday at 6:05 PM
I'm not exactly sure who removed you, I wasn't online at all until about the afteernoon today since holidays.
I can pass the message along but otherwise I wasn't aware you were in the channel to begin with.
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 6:06 PM
I'm not concerned with who it was, only that there was no reason or rhyme to it. We have not had issues or involvement with anyone out of character in quite some time aside from harassment due to old drama,  that was taken to a harassment case with Blizzard. Myself, nor my guild, has partaken or been involved with any issues whatsoever for years now.
I merely wished to be included in the group as my guild follows the SLP.
With that being said, could you by any chance edit my role? Stormwind Knight -- Stormwind Military.
Berenal - Last Monday at 6:10 PM
I cannot actually, I should probably ask maxen to give us that ability.
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 6:11 PM
That's surprising, I figured Moderators would have it.
Berenal - Last Monday at 6:11 PM
Yeah I think he forgot to give us that.
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 6:11 PM
But yeah, sorry to bother you with it. I was added around 8AM and was removed around 11:30.
On Christmas, no less, for no reason.(edited)
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 7:15 PM
In the event you do happen to figure out who removed me, will you at least pass on that I am open to speaking to them about their issues? I've been trying to find and apologize anyone that had issues with me in the past, to solidify that I am here only to RP and have no intention of OOC involvement outside of what pertains to my guild and character. If they're willing to talk I am open. I haven't been involved with Stromheart in upwards of two and a half years now, and I am 100% that it is time for those biases to die. We're all different people, and have moved on from it. I take responsibility for my actions and the ways I've wronged people in the past, and am looking to only RP. I'm unsure if you know who I am, though I assume you do. Thanks for at least taking the time to talk to me about the situation.
Berenal - Last Monday at 7:16 PM
I'm aware of who it was who removed you already, we're currently just trying to figure out why. Until I've got that information I won't be disclosing it though, sorry.
Guinnevere - Last Monday at 7:16 PM
No, no. I wasn't asking you to - only that you pass on to them I am willing to talk to them if they wish to.
As I said, I'm trying to work out whatever residual issues there are to facilitate RP for myself and my guild.
December 27, 2017
Guinnevere - Today at 12:55 PM
Was removed, again.
I havent said a single thing but hello in that chat. This is getting a little ridiculous.
May I please have an invite back?
If you guys know/have had a conversation with whomever removed me, it obviously didn't take. I get that people have issues with me from the past, but this is not only massively unncessary, it's incredibly unfair as I haven't done or said anything to warrant this sort of behavior. Especially on a nearly daily basis now.
Guinnevere - Today at 1:01 PM
unnecessary*
Berenal - Today at 1:05 PM
After looking through the moderator channel it was decided that yyou would be removed from the channel and proect concerning some of the things you've said or done in the past; in particular that it makes people uncomfortable. Specifics being threats made IRL as well as issues of doxxing.
Guinnevere - Today at 1:09 PM
None of these things I've remotely done or said in over two and a half years -- nor did anyone message me or inform me of it when it was done. I have been nothing but respectful throughout this entire process and only wished to facilitate RP for my guild, whom has done nothing and does not deserve to be wrongly ostracized based on the biases of others -- especially outdated, uninformed, and bandwagon-esque behavior.  One cannot feasibly have an "opt-in" project while forcibly "opting-out" people on an OOC basis, with something that has nothing to do with the project, never has caused issues for the project, has only said hello in the Discord and not involved themselves at all, whatsoever, in any capacity with any socialization or caused any issue other than simply being present in the Discord group.
I obviously am used to this sort of behavior and will accept it, but it is massively unfair when I have not done anything to deserve it. I welcomed the person who had such issues to open a dialogue with me, but if you feel it is best to rescind yourself into ostracizing people unfairly, without offering an opportunity to effect change - that is your prerogative. But it is time, and has been so, for a long time to let go of petty OOC drama and move on to facilitate the actual purpsoe of this community -- Roleplay.
As far as the accusations of doxxing and threats, I am now aware of exactly whom it was that removed me, and the fact that it is ignored that she did the same, created fake chatlogs of me, literally paid Mathorian to dismantle my guilds from the inside, incited people to harass, defame, and spread my pictures around -- it is ridiculously unfair and ignorant that I am the one who is ostracized and removed when I have not done anything.
I was ready and willing to simply exist in the same space for the sake of my guild's roleplay, and the sake of roleplay in general and moving on from childish grudges and pretending that I am the worst thing to happen to this server, and not worth even being in the same vicinity as others, when it is overlooked what they have done in the past -- the harassment that I have recieved from members of that Discord that I have never, ever attempted to ostracize them or remove them from anything due to what happened in the past.  I have made efforts to be the bigger person and remedy what was done - if you, and others, see fit to remain in the past, that is your decision. I cannot stop it. But know that it is unfair, biased, and massively wrong to do this when there is no viable reason for it other than something someone is using as an excuse from 2+ years ago because they refuse to open a dialogue and work out the issues they have.
I fail to see what you could possibly say at this point to justify this.(edited)
Berenal - Today at 1:22 PM
Just as an FYI since there's a lot of finger pointing at my self for whatever reason in your post, I've waited until you were finished before saying my piece. I have no involvement with this in terms of your removal; this has all happened over the span of Christmas, during which I was scarcely online because I've been doing holiday stuff or being with my family, not on the game. Otherwise, I have no horse in this race, no opinion on the matter at hand. I have not interacted with you personally in almost two years and was largely divorced from whatever drama cropped up during that period with you and whomever else; so I'm not sure why you're pointing fingers at me since I'm more or less playing messenger man since this was all brought to me and, as such, I've essentially been acting as a mouthpiece between the two parties since there's obviously some bad blood there from either which way.

I've forwarded whatever messages you sent me intended for other parties during the period in which we spoke but at the same time I'm not going to over-rule a decision made by multiple parties in the moderation discord after it was polled; a vote I did not have any hand in because, once again, I wasn't online. In addition, I have literally no inclination to really justify anything? I've been uninvolved with this and have more or less been just telling you what has occurred and was met by undue hostility from you. You have a right to be angry and upset considering you've been removed, but taking it out on me for whatever reason is not called for nor do I really care for any assumptions as to why you think I have some sort of vendetta against you. As I said before,  I quite literally have not spoken to you in two years, I don't have any opinions on you one way or another.
Guinnevere - Today at 1:31 PM
I can confidently guarantee anyone that made a vote in such a poll has no right to make an opinion, either, save for Adamantt since the most recent issue -- and only issue - I've had is saying that "Welsh doesn't belong in WoW". Other than that any issue is from the same point in time that you are basing your frame of reference on -- there was not, is not, and will not be an ounce of hostility in anything I have said, am saying, or will say on this topic because I have, again, as I said, done nothing -- incited nothing -- insulted nothing. I have merely existed in a space and that is apparently enough for there to be a "poll" to vote me out on an opt-in  project. You realize how immensely, utterly, absolutely ridiculous that is, I assume? As far as any quote "finger pointing" goes, the only responsibility I believe you have is neglecting to inform me when I was removed of the reason I was removed, and waiting for me to come to you about it.
I am not asking anyone to overrule anything, only that it is realized and recognized that I have done nothing to deserve this and have been respectful throughout this entire process and attempted to the best of my ability to open a dialogue and offer the offended parties an opportunity to handle their issues so that we may move forward and actually do what the purpose of this project and community is to do -- to roleplay, and offer a streamlined law approach to the concept of judiciary roleplay. But, again, I hope you realize the absolute ridiculous hypocrisy of voting to remove someone from a project that allows in anyone and everyone. Apparently, however, not if you have issues with a GM of one of the guilds on the Moderation team -- which, frankly, as far as I knew only extended to Moderation of the Discord server rather than the entire project itself. And, if it is a Moderation issue on the server, I would like to be given proof or legitimate reason within the confines of any messages within the Discord chat that justify such a decision. Because, at this point, it is based on opinions and biases that have no basis within the SLP project, and there is no viable issue with my conduct within the Discord chat to deserve removal.
There is, however, an issue with the conduct of Moderation as removing someone for no reason, with no warning, with no deserved behavior is to apparently be legitimized and encouraged.
Which, to me, bastardizes the concept of "Moderation" at all. Lol.
Berenal - Today at 1:38 PM
Actually, that decision was only recently reached and I was passing it along, so I've not neglected to do anything and would suggest if you wish to continue a dialogue with me that you cease any and all attempts to find blame on my part. I've literally been  uninvolved other than passing messages along.
Guinnevere - Today at 1:39 PM
Again, on what basis? The Moderation made such a decision based on what behavior as it pertains to the project in question? There is none on my part to deserve such behavior.
I said, "Hello." in the Discord and that is it - may have said Merry Christmas. If either of those things are grounds for Moderation to see fit to remove me from the project, then color me surprised.
Berenal - Today at 1:45 PM
Secondly, the project is an opt in bbut at the same time it's a player run project. If the people who run the project do not want you in said project, then in the end of the day, you will not be in the project. It's not something that people have a right to, it's a thing they're invited and kept on according to the moderation. You are not the only person who has been removed from the project before. I've already provided you with the reasons, bbe it two years ago or not, not everyone is willing to forgive and forget as much as you may be willing to be. The decision was made on the basis of prior decisions and actions you've made, the duration non-withstanding.
Guinnevere - Today at 1:55 PM
After thinking about it for a moment I have a solution that I believe will appease both parties.
Placing an officer of my guild in the Discord to stay informed and involved with the project -- it is not me, and therefore should be of no issue to the offended party. I trust that in the event ICly myself or my guild becomes involved with something related to the project that none involved will defame themselves or their guild by ignoring legitimate roleplay on the basis of OOC issues as involving OOC into IC is an abhorrent practice. I will have no involvement with anything within the SLP Discord other than being informed.
I can't imagine anyone would be so inclined to deny someone by guilt by assocation.
Berenal - Today at 2:04 PM
I'm just curious, I am passing this along, but, do you have any nobles for the project? I'm not trying to stonewall you here, I'm just wondering if it's even worth the lengths you're going to at this point.
Guinnevere - Today at 2:04 PM
Multiple, yes, as far as characters in my guild goes -- we have several knights of the Crownland and those with nobility.
Albeit I have not registered myself with the HoN, yet, but the legitimized RP is there.
I have been working very hard to offer a good RP atmosphere for my guild, and attempting to remedy the issues I have had over the years on that basis. I legitimately just want to be able to RP and be involved with other people on the server after being stonewalled for a very, very long time by people other than you.