yeah you can start the TCJ after the combo finisher
you're kinda watching your autoattack timer at that point
and getting a feel for when to TCJ and seeing if you can fit the auto in
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:33 AM
is there a way to time you atuoattacks
other than just staring at your
Fold - Yesterday at 3:33 AM
there was a specialspelltimer for it i used to use for ARR bard
but i dont have it anymore i'm sure you could set it up
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:34 AM
im capped at that point
arent i/
?
do you auto in tcj?
is it essentially
you popping tcj as you auto?
Fold - Yesterday at 3:35 AM
yeah
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:35 AM
ah ok
Fold - Yesterday at 3:35 AM
so it goes to 26
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:35 AM
that seems like a feel thing
it will take practice
Fold - Yesterday at 3:35 AM
its a feel thing but tbh 20 ninki instead of 26 wont matter
the only difference is that you get a mudra in your trick as well
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:36 AM
do you think like 6080 at ilvl 363 is good?
Fold - Yesterday at 3:36 AM
yeah its far from bis tbh like
if you're using a bunch of sks gear + at ilevel 363 you're looking at a couple hundred
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:36 AM
i was doing like 6200 until i lb3d
Fold - Yesterday at 3:37 AM
thats another thing sometimes alot of the top parsing ninjas dont d othe lb
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:37 AM
i think i pushed trick attack by 2.1s over the course of the whole fight
like my first one was at 0:10 and change
and my last one was at low 7:12 or something
0:10.458, 1:10.772, 2:11.451, 3:11.802, 4:12.085, 5:12.374, 6:12.602
kill at 7:05, got taxed 2 seconds
i kicked out ninja
our
so it might just fall on me
we did that run to test out this toher new guy
and our summoner said
"it is weird how my damage just goes up if every time i have to refresh dots, trick attack is on time"
Fold - Yesterday at 3:42 AM
lmaoo
tcj will push back trick attack quite a bit
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:44 AM
i like just
not using trick
if its not gonna line my trick up
er tcj
Fold - Yesterday at 3:46 AM
thats why i hate TCJ
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:46 AM
you telling me
that i just shouldnt tcj
if its not gonna line up my shit
i was like
"yes...."
"no matter what other advice i get, im listening to fold because i like that advice"
Fold - Yesterday at 3:48 AM
the issue with TCJ is if you ever want to setup a trick through TCJ sometimes it'll push it back if you wanna min/max for yourself
for example if you have a mudra on CD thats close to reset
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:48 AM
yes
Fold - Yesterday at 3:48 AM
you wanna fuma then TCJ
but fuma then TCJ can cut your trick back
thats why TCJ really sucks
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:48 AM
yeah that is what i do for my 2nd trick
ok i have a question for you
because the reason i kicked my ninja
is we were doing o8s
we were on god
2nd trick timing comes up during the skulls
our ninja throws a fit
yells
I CANT FUCKING DO IT, I KEEP DYING
THE TRICK IS GOING TO JUST BE LATE
FUCKING DEAL WITH IT
Fold - Yesterday at 3:49 AM
heads are a classic issue for nin
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:49 AM
im 100% sure you can true north that trick
Fold - Yesterday at 3:49 AM
my group actually made a non-cuck nin strat
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:49 AM
no problem
Fold - Yesterday at 3:49 AM
you can true north it the problem is
the next trick after that is during trines and you're gonna be in hell trying to land that trick
without true north
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:50 AM
cant you get it off
like
while hes winging
i realize the positioning is tight
i have very limited experience on ninja in o8
Fold - Yesterday at 3:51 AM
yeah in a perfect run you can get it off for some reason on random runs it'll come up during the actual movement and idk why
i wouldnt even say perfect run like
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:51 AM
our strategy
is we want to set up a lineup
Fold - Yesterday at 3:51 AM
just a run where you use shit on cd
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:51 AM
coming out of the 2nd forsaken ~4 mins
and coming out of the 3rd forsaken ~7 mins
we want the trick/litany/cs/bv lineup
and him doing this late trick
made it so his trick came up with like
2 seconds left on that lineup
Fold - Yesterday at 3:52 AM
when we do the cross head strat i'll just always true north trick
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:52 AM
yeah we generally cross heads
i know that the same side heds
you can give your ninja priority
to move through
Fold - Yesterday at 3:53 AM
it sucks for personal dps cause like i said if you're not on point or if you hold your mudra back at any point your trick wont be ready while he's winging
and yeah no true north for the 2 aeolians while moving but the trick is important
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:53 AM
dude
if i havent made it clear
like
thank you so much for helping me
Fold - Yesterday at 3:54 AM
its np nin is interesting on o8 especially cause of shit like heads
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:54 AM
im trying to get my outline good
so that my ninja muscle memory is good
Fold - Yesterday at 3:54 AM
general rule is like
TCJ at 13 seconds you'll be golden
like that's ideal
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:54 AM
yeah i was holding too late
Fold - Yesterday at 3:54 AM
but its hard to set that up later on in the fight
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:55 AM
its really important to me
that every trick is on time
i think at its core
that is ninja's main job
trick on time
Fold - Yesterday at 3:56 AM
that'll min/max your raids dps at the cost of a couple mudras from yourself because what i suspect you'll be doing is either holding onto the mudra timer for awhile or not getting your mudra on CD before TCJing
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:56 AM
yeah
that is a sacrifice im willing to make it if makes the overall dps higher
Fold - Yesterday at 3:57 AM
thats why nin is considered the cuck job
:ablobdance:
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:57 AM
im not incredible at the
utility jobs yet
i just shade on the pull
i dont use diversion
ive started shading more
just like shading when i have empty ogcds
Fold - Yesterday at 3:57 AM
diversion after shade is usually ideal
smoke screen is pretty fucking strong as well
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:58 AM
yeah
i havnet done a fight where smoke is important
but i know o8 with a white mage
it is important
Fold - Yesterday at 3:58 AM
yeah im mostly smoking white mages for the content cause their throughput is insane
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 3:59 AM
im running invigorate
but i probably need to get rid of that
Fold - Yesterday at 4:00 AM
invig can get replaced by just asking bard for TP song
i run uh
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:00 AM
second wind, arms length, diversion, feint, true north?
Fold - Yesterday at 4:00 AM
yeah
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:00 AM
i need to get used to using feint
Fold - Yesterday at 4:00 AM
if a fight doesnt need arms length then just do bloodbath
feint is useless in o6
o7 its good for arm and hammer
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:01 AM
i know you can feint head on
i think our drg already does
Fold - Yesterday at 4:01 AM
o8 its good for future/past and ultimate embrace
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:02 AM
do you think id be orange parsing
at my talent level
if i had bis
Fold - Yesterday at 4:02 AM
yeah
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:02 AM
we have to make the decision of
me going ninja
Fold - Yesterday at 4:02 AM
95 you could probably do just fine
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:02 AM
or our summoner going ninja
Fold - Yesterday at 4:03 AM
high 90s i really feel can only be achieved on ninja by playing more selfish
getting the mudras in
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:03 AM
yeah
im not gonna be that guy
because it is what i ask of our players
is to make sure their stuff lines up
so i cant really be the guy who doesnt live up to what i ask
Fold - Yesterday at 4:04 AM
if you're tricking on time you can pretty much get away with 95 easy in a good speedkilling comp
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:04 AM
well we dont have a mch
so its not perfect
Fold - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
yeah smn drg nin brd is good enough tbh
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
finding someone who a) wants to play mch
b) is good enough to use
Fold - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
oh here's another thing
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
is impossible
Fold - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
does your summoner do the pet swap opener
do they contagion then swap to ifrit egi
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
i think so
yeah
Fold - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
you wanna kassatsu raiton then
in your opener
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:05 AM
im pretty sure
because i know he pulls out ifrit
does the ability
then summons garuda
so he gets a quick contagion
Fold - Yesterday at 4:06 AM
oh it should be the other way around but yeah
like the opener involves just putting contagion from garuda then swapping to ifrit
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:06 AM
dont you fireblast
then pull out garuda
then instantcast summon
Fold - Yesterday at 4:06 AM
nah they just do the contagion mid-ruin cast
then swap around the 2nd global
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:07 AM
how do i find contagion
is it a debuff on the boss
Fold - Yesterday at 4:07 AM
but yeah that's 10% magic damage so you'll wanna raiton instead
yeah its a debuff
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:07 AM
no contagion casts
Fold - Yesterday at 4:07 AM
oh :blobsad:
in o6 its not that great
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:08 AM
ill ask him if he normally does
Fold - Yesterday at 4:08 AM
you cannot precast in o6 so
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:08 AM
i wanted to try someone out
so we literally did 2 o6s
one with him on summoner
one with him on scholar
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Rxj6HwbgK8dqnkXQ#fight=1&type=damage-done
was the other one
rng, the summoner is nowhere near ready to go ninja if that is what we decide
so i had them just double summoner
Fold - Yesterday at 4:10 AM
oh i see contagion in the opener
its magic vuln up in the debuffs list
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:11 AM
yeah the uh
the other summoner
does it
the one we were trialing
Fold - Yesterday at 4:11 AM
thats good for ninja opener its just a stronger raiton under trick + kassatsu
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:12 AM
his damage isnt as good as rng tho
lol
Fold - Yesterday at 4:14 AM
yeah weird
he got more ruin iv procs
but did less damage
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:14 AM
rng is a long time raider
in wow and this
just a beast
i dont expect people to beat him
unless they are like
in your region of talent level
Fold - Yesterday at 4:15 AM
ohh less wyrmwaves
as well
summoners can get a max of 11 wyrmwaves and 2 akh morns per bahamut
if they weave properly
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:15 AM
yep
Fold - Yesterday at 4:15 AM
actualyl 12 i think
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:16 AM
its actually 13
depending on your sks
Fold - Yesterday at 4:16 AM
yeah
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:16 AM
i know that rng is running the like
0 sps build
because he hates the build with more crit and more sps
Fold - Yesterday at 4:17 AM
i think max crit and dh is always the best bet for a bv/litany comp
Foulbbqrob - Yesterday at 4:18 AM
well
the one build
gives you more crit, but you sacrifice a lot of dh and determination
to do
so
Fold - Yesterday at 4:18 AM
not worth it imo