(3:56 PM) White Tree: So is it because they shat on you so many times? I can't blame you if it is.
(3:57 PM) Montolio: I don't have any trust in them
(3:58 PM) White Tree: With regards to what? You don't trust Josh?
(3:58 PM) White Tree: Or you just don't trust all of us at all.
(3:58 PM) Montolio: the latter
(4:00 PM) White Tree: Once upon a time you asked us to purge our leadership so that we would be able to survive in TEST. We refused. The reality was that the corp had grown to a size wherein it was lead by people who still thought they were leading a small group of derps. You tried to drag us kicking and screaming into what we were supposed to be, and overall I think most of us saw that as a good thing. There was impatience and irritation. A campaign of lies were lead against you by Kurth and Wiawyr and basically everyone knows it. Josh took Broski to Fountain and started the Ultrawar because he thought you thought it'd be funny. He thought that you liked the G0dfathers and appreciated an element of darwinism.
(4:01 PM) White Tree: :words:
(4:02 PM) White Tree: What would you need, before you could trust us again, if its even possible?
(4:03 PM) White Tree: Tl;dr Josh wants to form an Alliance and he wants to put me as the CEO, and he wants to be the tip of the Broski spear and lead the military wing.
(4:13 PM) Montolio: I don't think they need my trust
(4:13 PM) White Tree: who? Broski?
(4:14 PM) Montolio: yeah
(4:15 PM) White Tree: You think its the other way round? Broski needs to trust you? Broski does whatever its most vocal leader does, and it trusts in the decisions of its most vocal leader. At the moment thats me and Josh, and we're both positive about TEST atm. We don't have any real bad blood at all, if there's bad blood on TESTs side, thats understandable.
(4:16 PM) Montolio: If you guys have confidence in your abilities then you don't need me to hold your hand
(4:17 PM) White Tree: We're confident in the idea that we can grow something over time, and we can be something significant. We did it in SHURK but we fucked it up. We also realize that we grew as large as we did with help from TEST. So all we're doing now is asking for help to do it properly this time.
(4:18 PM) Montolio: I don't have any incentive to provide help
(4:18 PM) White Tree: A fair point. Can you think of any incentives?
(4:20 PM) Montolio: You guys see it as the situation identical to goons helping test
(4:20 PM) Montolio: But the issue here is test tried to help bro
(4:20 PM) Montolio: but bro consistently fucked it up and shit on us
(4:20 PM) Montolio: and now you guys aren't even IN test
(4:20 PM) White Tree: All of Broskis metaphors are tongue in cheek. And I'm returning to the point about broski suddenly going from 100ish to 800ish in about 2 months.
(4:21 PM) White Tree: The leadership didn't know how to handle it, so they just handled it as business as usual.
(4:21 PM) White Tree: i.e. be fags.
(4:21 PM) White Tree: Now, in retrospect everyone agrees the offer for a constellation in Fountain was amazing
(4:21 PM) White Tree: and when kurth ren said: "I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW FULL OF SHIT YOU ARE." everyone basically flipped the fuck out at him in corp chat
(4:22 PM) Montolio: You guys were slated for Fatal Ascension's space
(4:22 PM) White Tree: I know, we know, and we're kicking ourselves repeatedly in the fucking ass because we didn't get it. None of them understood the longterm forecasting of nullsec politics.
(4:22 PM) White Tree: Josh didn't until he thought about it last night, and until he talked to you and me.
(4:22 PM) White Tree: He had an 'Oh, I get it.' moment.