[21:55]	Elara	http://www.bradford-delong.com/2016/10/for-the-weekend-1.html
[21:55]	_	[ For the Weekend... ] - www.bradford-delong.com
[22:24]	RoarianM	The Donald is parading an unskewed election map. Is it 2012?
[22:25]	RoarianM	They have california red...
[23:03]	Ellardy	Elara: omg is that Bill Clinton?
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[23:47]	Elara	Bill and Hillary
[23:48]	Ellardy	I nearly didn't recognise him
[23:48]	Ellardy	Hillary is recognisable
[23:49]	Elara	That face hasn't changed, though the hair has
[23:49]	Elara	Roarian what map?
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[00:52]	Gundor	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhpHp31ozxQ
[00:52]	_	[ SNL Hilariously Cold Open Debate 2 : Last Week’s Trump/Clinton Debate 15/10/16 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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[01:46]	Hex	their 8-year-old juvenile daughter was sexually molested online by Julian Assange"
[01:47]	Hex	I don't even know who's trolling who anymore.
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[02:15]	n0us_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X16_KzX1vE
[02:15]	_	[ Watch CNN tells viewers it is illegal to read the wikileaks Hillary emails - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[02:18]	Gundor	0.o
[02:21]	Hex	This election is truly magical.
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[02:31]	Elara	Apparently Trump, even after being told in an intelligence brief "the DNC was hacked by the Russians", still says in public " nobody knows who did that"
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[02:38]	Clarvel	trump seems to be a pathological liar. it feels like every other thing he says is an outright lie
[02:39]	Clarvel	and the other half are inflamatory opinions
[02:42]	Brut	He really likes throwing out statements that make it seem he wants his people to riot
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[03:07]	Brut	And now he's insulting SNL's portrayal of him
[03:07]	Brut	What a stupid thing to do
[03:08]	RoarianM	Authoritarian dickbags gotta author
[03:08]	RoarianM
[03:09]	Brut	One of the worst things you could possibly do as a major figure is get sensitive over satire of yourself
[03:10]	Thalia	Didn't he say he wanted to "open up the libel laws"
[03:10]	Ellardy	Pretty much.
[03:10]	Ellardy	Or say, draw attention to said satire
[03:10]	Ellardy	which, in fairness, missed some opportunities to make fun of Clinton
[03:11]	Brut	They should get on her more
[03:11]	Brut	Kate McKinnon's version of her is so fun to watch too
[03:12]	Ellardy	In other news, the Economist believes Trump is staying in the race so he can milk money out of it (Schumpeter says to look out for "Trump TV" or some media empire in the works)
[03:12]	Brut	But the thing is, it's hard for them to make fun of he as much as Trump because Trump just acts like a walking SNL character
[03:12]	Brut	*her
[03:12]	Ellardy	but Politico believes that he's planning on questioning the election result and calling it rigged
[03:12]	Brut	He will absolutely try a tv network
[03:13]	Brut	He has so many rabid followers now
[03:13]	Brut	Watch out Fox
[03:13]	Ellardy	Stay tuned for more surealism from US politics
[03:13]	Ellardy	and Brut, yeah, at one point I thought they were just going to read the lines from the actual debate
[03:13]	Brut	Well Donny did do so many of those things
[03:14]	Ellardy	Couldn't guess how they would top what Trump had said
[03:14]	Brut	Stalking behind her, switching to topic to inner cities because a black guy asked a question
[03:14]	Ellardy	It'd be a pretty funny statement in and of itself
[03:14]	Ellardy	I died when they had Ken Bone ask a question
[03:14]	Ellardy	Literally just a little dance and loads of glitz
[03:15]	Zeikos	what did ken bone do now?
[03:15]	Brut	Nothing
[03:15]	Ellardy	And oh goodness, wouldn't it be ironic if Trump put Fox out of business
[03:15]	Ellardy	Nothing, there was a satire of the debate
[03:15]	Ellardy	Ken Bone asking a question was just replaced with a load of cheering
[03:16]	Ellardy	Trump was set to the music from Jaws and Clinton was sassier
[03:17]	Brut	They do like making fun of Clinton's robotic attitude some times and it's pretty good
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[04:03]	RoarianM	Brut, still better programming the rubiomatic3000
[04:04]	RoarianM	Than*
[04:04]	RoarianM
[04:05]	Brut	Repeating cycle engaged
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[05:38]	Glernaj	[12:12] <Ellardy> but Politico believes that he's planning on questioning the election result and calling it rigged <- hasn't he been already calling it rigged for months now?
[05:38]	Thalia	He has
[05:40]	RoarianM	He's blamed republicans, democrats,  the media, international bankers...
[05:40]	Elara	everyone but himself
[05:40]	Glernaj	yup
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[05:40]	Brut	Alec Baldwin lol
[05:40]	RoarianM	Even blames SNL now
[05:41]	Brut	He retweeted Trump's angry post about SNL
[05:41]	Brut	The fact that his portrayal is pissing Trump off must make him enjoy it that much more
[05:41]	Brut	His next one is going obnoxious
[05:41]	Brut	Extra obnoxious
[05:43]	RoarianM	Wonder what new lows this week will bring
[05:43]	RoarianM	When is the last debate again?
[05:43]	Brut	This Wednesday
[05:45]	RoarianM	I wonder if we'll get more sensible discussion
[05:45]	RoarianM	Pft
[05:45]	Brut	Eh no
[05:45]	Brut	It'll be final choking anger
[05:45]	RoarianM	I wonder if trump will bring his recent conspiracy theories along
[05:46]	Brut	He is going to throw such a tantrum
[05:46]	Brut	Come November
[05:46]	RoarianM	R/the_meltdown stands ready
[05:47]	RoarianM	To catalogue
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[07:24]	n0us_	https://www.facebook.com/ncgop/posts/10154577228698834
[07:24]	_	[ North Carolina Republican Party - Timeline | Facebook ] - www.facebook.com
[07:25]	n0us_	Damn, that's pretty scary.
[07:25]	n0us_	Literally got firebombed,
[07:25]	n0us_	People will firebomb a political party but they won't firebomb AT&T headquarters?
[07:26]	n0us_	What's wrong with the world.
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[08:01]	RoarianM	I wonder if r/conspiracy will declare it a false flag, or if that only happens the other way
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[14:18]	Hex	 I’m concerned about saying we used money to fund healthy schools (because we didn’t use the funding for that).
[14:18]	Hex	This election is absurd.
[14:18]	Quelaagga	Who said that/when/what context?
[14:19]	Hex	https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11983
[14:19]	_	[ WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails ] - wikileaks.org
[14:19]	Hex	I’m sensitive to that (which is why I’m asking) but those CHAI Stats are on nearly every public listing of CF accomplishment. I’m want to make people think twice about calls for dropping grants to CF or return the money and the HIV/AIDS work hits home in a way that other stats don’t.
[14:20]	Quelaagga	Ahh yes, the only election season where we can look at one candidate's shifty charity and say "But look, the other's shifty charity is even shiftier!"
[14:23]	Hex	More like the only election season where if the Democrats win, they lose in the long run.
[14:23]	Glernaj	Oh?
[14:23]	Glernaj	How so?
[14:24]	Hex	Clinton is unarguably the worst representative for the Democratic party in years. She's uncharismatic, creepy, and plays horribly in front of an audience.
[14:25]	Hex	The instant something goes wrong - and something will go wrong, because this is politics - and Clinton has to speak 0x1dto the American Public 0x1din a reassuring way, it'll go south.
[14:26]	Quelaagga	fervently wishes the primaries had gone differently
[14:26]	Glernaj	I do too Quelaagga
[14:27]	Hex	Also the only election where we have confirmation that the New York Times gave a candidate for President of the United States 0x1dveto privilege on articles.
[14:27]	Quelaagga	Same is true for the Republicans, though. We'll ALL go south as soon as Trump does ANYTHING foreign if elected
[14:27]	Quelaagga	I would make quite a few more $27 donations retroactively to see a Sanders vs Kasich general
[14:27]	Glernaj	I'm kinda curious how Sanders v Trump would have gone
[14:27]	Brut	Maybe in 2020 the Republicans will start electing a real opponent then
[14:29]	Hex	If the media was even remotely unbiased, holy shit can you 0x1dimagine 0x1dhow easy this election would have been for the Republican party?
[14:29]	Quelaagga	No?
[14:29]	Hex	The Republicans ran the one candidate HRC had even a chance of beating.
[14:29]	Brut	Yeah, no, it's still Trump
[14:29]	Quelaagga	If they'd picked Kasich, and Hillary was still the dem pick then yes he wins
[14:29]	Hex	Not even Kasich.
[14:29]	Hex	Rubio would have demolished her.
[14:29]	Thalia	I'm still surprised Trump won the primary.
[14:29]	Quelaagga	Mm, rubio I suppose
[14:29]	Hex	I'm not.
[14:30]	Hex	You're viewing democracy as if it is sane.
[14:30]	Brut	I just still, as an outsider, find it so hard so many people can think of voting Republican as the party it is now
[14:30]	Hex	You have to remind yourself as Sam Vimes reminded himself - you, Sam Vimes get a vote. But Nobby Nobbs also gets a vote.
[14:30]	Quelaagga	Trump has a large amount of support within the group of people that votes specifically for republicans
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[14:30]	Hex	Trump also has a large amount of Sanders support, called the 'burn it to the fucking ground' division.
[14:30]	Quelaagga	No, he doesn't.
[14:31]	Quelaagga	He has EXTREMELY fringe ex-sanders support.
[14:31]	Brut	They're so anti-everything that it's laughable calling them "pro freedom:
[14:31]	Brut	"
[14:31]	Thalia	No, I just find Trump doesn't appeal to me as a person who has been a registered Republican for a decade.
[14:31]	Quelaagga	From those specific people who are strictly "anti-establishment" and don't actually care about anything either candidate stands for, as they're complete opposites on literally everything but the TPP
[14:31]	Hex	The only thing I care about is literally the TPP.
[14:32]	Brut	The last thirty years, the party has chosen to make hatemongers its personal baby
[14:32]	Quelaagga	Well there ya go then
[14:32]	Quelaagga	But that's certainly not the majority.
[14:32]	Brut	Goddamn I feel for conservatives in the US
[14:32]	Brut	Having to represented by climate change deniers and the religious right
[14:32]	Quelaagga	Hatemongers are the personal baby of both major parties rn though
[14:32]	Thalia	This year is making it really hard to stay with the party.
[14:32]	Thalia	Brut, 99% of conservatives are the religious right.
[14:33]	Brut	Some just prefer conservative economics
[14:33]	Thalia	Yeah. It's a small amount.
[14:33]	Quelaagga	Religious right, climate change, sexism, etc on the right, gun control, militant atheists on the left I guess?
[14:33]	Thalia	And they keep ignoring that group.
[14:33]	Quelaagga	Brut you sound like you might enjoy libertarians if they ever get anywhere
[14:33]	Brut	militant atheists being compared to the religious right?
[14:33]	Hex	They won't!
[14:33]	Quelaagga	I guess? I'm not sure what else to put there
[14:34]	Brut	You don't see atheists keeping people from getting married
[14:34]	Quelaagga	Hex they've got something like 12% in some polls iirc, highest a 3rd party has gotten in a while. Not that I agree with them
[14:34]	Brut	I think the farthest they go is bitch about holidays are something
[14:34]	Quelaagga	Brut was just making examples, honestly being as far left as I am I don't have a good view on that stuff
[14:35]	Hex	That's only because every candidate is terrible, Quelaagga.
[14:35]	Brut	And not very libertarian either
[14:35]	Brut	I don't know, up here our right is to the left of the Dems, so it's a bit weird
[14:35]	Quelaagga	This is true
[14:35]	Quelaagga	Brut where are you and how do I move there
[14:35]	Brut	North of you
[14:35]	Quelaagga	Gotcha
[14:36]	Quelaagga	Nevermind, way the hell too cold
[14:36]	Brut	We get on pretty well with the healthcare system, is cool
[14:36]	Thalia	Canada sounds nice until I heard Canadians talking about it.
[14:36]	Quelaagga	I'll just go to Japan and deal with classical eastern conservativism without american political bullshit
[14:36]	Thalia	But I'm honestly stumped on how I'm going to vote this year.
[14:37]	Glernaj	shrugs.
[14:38]	Quelaagga	I'll vote blue, because I live in Texas and if we go blue that's HUGE - And could make leeway for left-ey stuff to happen in Congress. Not because I like the Dems' pick, and in any other situation I'd either vote Stein or leave the top box blank
[14:38]	Hex	Trump is currently up +25 in Texas.
[14:38]	Glernaj	Personally, I fear that Trump would end up sending us to war rapidly, and I'd rather that didn't happen
[14:38]	Thalia	Because I agree with my own party's nominee the least out of any nominee.
[14:38]	Brut	Ain't that a bitch
[14:39]	Glernaj	But yeah, I'm in Texas too, and as much as I'd love for Texas to go blue.... it's not going to happen
[14:39]	Quelaagga	Meh, I've heard otherwise from time to time. Either way, the more losing-side voters vote, the more likely other losing-side voters from that same area will have hope and vote as well
[14:39]	Quelaagga	Voting Green will do a hell of a lot less for us.
[14:39]	Brut	Where Glern?
[14:39]	Brut	Austin?
[14:39]	Hex	Ah, this is my favorite part of elections.
[14:39]	Glernaj	Round Rock, which is a suburb of Austin
[14:40]	Quelaagga	lives in Dripping
[14:40]	Hex	The classic "voting green won't do anything", even though it literally gave us Bush Sr. as president.
[14:40]	Brut	Austin is like the little blue slightly nutty but interesting island in Texas Ocean
[14:40]	Quelaagga	Okay. Voting green won't do anything POSITIVE
[14:40]	Thalia	Brut, it really is. I don't think I agree with him on just about anything.
[14:40]	Quelaagga	And it won't do anything at all in TEXAS
[14:40]	Glernaj	Quelaagga, we're better
[14:41]	Glernaj	we have the donuts
[14:41]	Quelaagga	We have a little shop called Drippin' Donuts right beside the high school
[14:41]	Glernaj	while you guys have distilleries, we can buy your liquor up here anyways
[14:41]	Brut	Because I assume Thal the least you're looking for in a Repub. candidate is some economic sense
[14:41]	Quelaagga	it's fucking amazing tbh
[14:41]	Glernaj	snorts.
[14:41]	Brut	And... he doesn't even have that
[14:41]	Thalia	Yeah
[14:41]	Glernaj	Quelaagga, have you HAD Round Rock donuts?
[14:41]	Quelaagga	Nope, I don't head that far north like ever
[14:41]	Thalia	Tariffs immediately turned me off of Trump. The second that word came from his mouth, he had no chance with me.
[14:41]	Antioch	is visiting Austin sometime soon
[14:41]	Glernaj	They're some of the best donuts in the country ^_^
[14:41]	Glernaj	Orly Antioch?
[14:42]	Glernaj	business?
[14:42]	Quelaagga	It's more than an hour's drive and there's nothing worth vising for *shots fired*
[14:42]	Quelaagga	*With mah TEXAS GUNS*
[14:42]	Antioch	Checking out Texas A&M for doctoral program, but also visiting a friend who lives in Austin
[14:42]	Thalia	Even with all the other shit, he probably would have had a chance. The immigration shit was a major turn off, but his economics shit is...
[14:43]	Glernaj	Honestly, the immigration shit directly reflects a problematic view of economics to me
[14:43]	Quelaagga	It's "Conservative economics" dial turned to 12 and then kicked off its holster
[14:44]	Thalia	If it was, I'd be voting for him.
[14:44]	Glernaj	Because to me, this plan of "deport all the illegal immigrants" translates kinda directly into "destroy the american agriculture industry"
[14:45]	Quelaagga	(Kicked off its holster into a room full of spikey mouth-monsters)
[14:45]	Hex	Except for the part where the american agriculture industry is already slowly dying due to California's drought.
[14:45]	Hex	We export what, 40% of the nation's vegetables/fruits or something absurd?
[14:46]	Glernaj	Something pretty damn high yeah
[14:46]	Glernaj	But there are other large swathes of the country entirely dedicated to agriculture too
[14:46]	Quelaagga	Eh, I still wouldn't call it absurd though, considering our land advantages in that respect
[14:47]	Thalia	I have 22 days to figure out who to vote for.
[14:48]	Ellardy	Thalia: you're a small gov person is that it?
[14:48]	Thalia	Pretty much, yeah.
[14:49]	Ellardy	Cool. Why?
[14:49]	Thalia	I do not trust the American government to not fuck things up. Pretty much it.
[14:50]	Ellardy	Oh hmm, that doesn't make my job easy
[14:50]	Hex	That's a good answer.
[14:50]	Ellardy	Oh wait, I have it
[14:50]	Hex	Well Thalia, if you don't trust the American government then hilariously, voting for Trump would probably work because nobody in the government wants to work with him!~
[14:50]	Hex	Therefore they can't fuck it up.
[14:50]	Hex	Check and mate.
[14:50]	Thalia	Yeah, but I don't want to live with Trump.
[14:51]	Quelaagga	The majority of congress specifically is blocking out Obama too
[14:51]	Quelaagga	Doesn't mean anything about what he tries to do.
[14:51]	Ellardy	Clinton is arguing for big government to level out inequalities (more health care and stuff). You believed that'll fuck up and be a costly failure. Right?
[14:51]	Hex	Well you wouldn't have to because the president honestly does not have as much power as the American public thinks they do!
[14:51]	Ellardy	*believe
[14:51]	Thalia	I also don't believe it's the government's role to do such.
[14:51]	Hex	Considering that Obamacare was a massive failure on every level, especially providing more coverage I would believe more health care would fuck it up.
[14:52]	Brut	The only good Trump could do for my country as far as I'm concerned is widen the gap of our cultures a bit more
[14:52]	Hex	I have to pay more under Obamacare then I did previously.
[14:52]	Hex	Ludicrous.
[14:52]	Quelaagga	@Thalia what is your ideal replacement?
[14:52]	Thalia	For what?
[14:52]	Quelaagga	@Hex a lot of people pay less. Obamacare is certainly not perfect, but on average it's a step up. This is why we need state-level single-payer T_T
[14:52]	Ellardy	Right. Meanwhile, Trump is arguing for bigger government both politically (more powers to put people in Gunatanamo, more control over the press and over religious freedoms) and economically (higher Defence spending and tossing money at industry)
[14:52]	Quelaagga	Thalia for leveling out inequalities - If anyone
[14:52]	Glernaj	Well, Hex, I can actually afford health insurance at ALL with obamacare
[14:53]	Glernaj	so I like it
[14:53]	Hex	I actually support our defense budget because it doubles as our science budget.
[14:53]	Glernaj	But yeah, the ACA got a LOT of sabotage along the way
[14:53]	Ellardy	Therefore, I make the minimal argument for voting Clinton: by your own measures, she ranks better than Trump
[14:53]	Glernaj	state level Quelaagga?
[14:53]	Glernaj	fuck that, federal level.
[14:53]	Thalia	Yes, I literally agree with her more. I said this.
[14:53]	Ellardy	Oh right, I thought you were undecided
[14:53]	Hex	The tragedy is I don't want to vote for somone as corrupt as Clinton.
[14:53]	Glernaj	I do NOT trust my state with anyone's healthcare
[14:53]	Ellardy	Sorry
[14:53]	Quelaagga	Mm, federal level would be GOOD, but I doubt it'll catch on unless states start doing it on their own.
[14:54]	Hex	But voting for Trump seems like I'm going against myself.
[14:54]	Quelaagga	Much like marijuana
[14:54]	Thalia	<Thalia> Because I agree with my own party's nominee the least out of any nominee.
[14:54]	Thalia	Ellardy, I am undecided.
[14:54]	Ellardy	Ah right, third party candidates look nice now
[14:54]	Thalia	No they don't!
[14:54]	Hex	Jill Stein is an idiot and Gary Johnson is silly.
[14:54]	Glernaj	They really don't
[14:55]	Ellardy	Oh. What's to choose? You've narrowed it down to Hillary or Clinton
[14:55]	Thalia	Yeah, I can't vote for her either.
[14:55]	Glernaj	well, you CAN
[14:55]	Hex	Voting for Clinton is like betraying core principals of honesty for me.
[14:55]	Ellardy	rolls eyes
[14:55]	Ellardy	"least worst" is the cynic's way of saying "best"
[14:55]	Quelaagga	Stein is... I agree with some policies, but personality and stance on nuclear and vaccinations turns me way away
[14:56]	Hex	She brought up the whole 'would you trust Trump with the football' thing, and it made me realize I would not trust a warhawk with like Clinton with the football either.
[14:56]	Ellardy	View it as an effective vote against Trump
[14:56]	Quelaagga	Johnson I find way too idealistic about what the country works like with less regulation, and a bit uninformed
[14:56]	Ellardy	I can't imagine Clinton shooting nukes
[14:56]	Hex	You could do what my friend did last election.
[14:56]	Hex	Vote for Batman.
[14:56]	Thalia	It's tempting.
[14:56]	Hex	I totally can imagine Clinton shooting a nuke at Russia.
[14:56]	Hex	Her hatred of Russia is unparalleled.
[14:56]	Thalia	I can't.
[14:56]	Ellardy	Emphasis on *effective* vote against Trump
[14:56]	Hex	You cannot beat Hillary in a hating Russia contest. She is simply the best there is.
[14:57]	Quelaagga	Tossed vote. If you aren't okay with voting for a president, you can always leave that block empty and just vote downballot
[14:57]	Thalia	Quelaagga might have the right idea.
[14:57]	Ellardy	I think most of Eastern Europe would beat her at that
[14:57]	Hex	best there is.
[14:57]	Glernaj	eh, as much as I can understand not liking her
[14:57]	Quelaagga	That way your vote is seen and heard, and also you get your local reps like you want (even if I may personally disagree with you)
[14:58]	Glernaj	I still can't really hold with just abdicating any semblence of choice
[14:59]	Ellardy	Look at this way Thal: the narrower the margin of victory for Clinton, the more likely it is for Trump to endure or to have copycats show up
[14:59]	Hex	I'm just amazed they fielded HRC.
[14:59]	Ellardy	Yeah. Try quizzing your congressmen on electoral reform?
[14:59]	Thalia	Yeah, but then I get more Hillary nominees.
[14:59]	Hex	Why would you field a woman whose husband is the greatest political speaker of the 21st Century?
[14:59]	Hex	I would've voted for Warren in a heartbeat.
[15:00]	Hex	Now my vote is trapped in the ether, elusive and unable to coalesce as a real thing.
[15:00]	Thalia	Same.
[15:00]	Ellardy	http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21708635-ambitious-young-senator-offers-revealing-glimpse-post-trump-republican
[15:00]	_	[ Growing Cotton in Iowa | The Economist ] - www.economist.com
[15:00]	Quelaagga	Actually, personal anecdote, the most fun and informative time I've ever had talking politics was a one-on-one with a Cruz supporter. We... Ignored lgbt stuff because religious things on his end and necessity things on mine. Our candidates disagreed on I THINK literally everything, and each of our first priority in voting was to keep the other pers
[15:00]	Quelaagga	on's candidate out.
[15:00]	Quelaagga	But, I think we both got a really informative view on where the other was coming from.
[15:01]	Quelaagga	And got to hillary- and trump-bash the whole time lol
[15:01]	Thalia	I'm in a weird position for lgbt stuff.
[15:01]	Quelaagga	... And that position is?
[15:02]	Thalia	Not one I'm willing to discuss publicly.
[15:02]	Quelaagga	Gotcha
[15:02]	Quelaagga	I'm super curious now though, so PM me, or don't if you don't want to, it's whatever
[15:03]	Thalia	Done.
[15:04]	Brut	You'd think a party that extends more towards less government control would be so fervently against control over who people marry or what religion they are
[15:04]	Thalia	Republicans are weird like that.
[15:05]	Ellardy	Not really. They just picked a corner on the political compass
[15:05]	Thalia	They have two halves: the religious chunk and the economics chunk and they have to get them together to vote.
[15:05]	Thalia	Otherwise, they always lose.
[15:05]	Ellardy	^
[15:05]	Ellardy	And Democrats did the reverse
[15:06]	Ellardy	Which is why "liberal" has no meaning in the US context
[15:07]	Thalia	And lately, I feel like the religious chunk has been pretty exclusively helped and we've been ignored.
[15:07]	Quelaagga	*nods*
[15:07]	Brut	Well there's more of them and they're more rabid voters
[15:07]	Thalia	Yeah, so they're going to lose.
[15:08]	Ellardy	and the "culture" part
[15:08]	Quelaagga	My dad is actually pretty much exactly like that. Hardcore Reagan fanboy but probably voting against Trump this year.
[15:09]	Ellardy	There's a third party candidate like that who actually has a chance of taking Utah
[15:09]	Hex	In other news, Wikileaks tweeted out File Hashes as a threat today.
[15:09]	Hex	I think Assange unironically Dead Man Switched files in case he gets assassinated.
[15:11]	Ellardy	Okay, just checked, McMullin's odds are of 1,8% right now. Nvr mind
[15:13]	Quelaagga	"So you're saying there's a chance?" And/or "At least it's not 0%"
[15:13]	Hex	https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787777344740163584 This is actually kind of terrifying.
[15:13]	_	[ WikiLeaks on Twitter: "pre-commitment 1: John Kerry 4bb96075acadc3d80b5ac872874c3037a386f4f595fe99e687439aabd0219809" ] - twitter.com
[15:13]	Ellardy	It would be interesting for him to win.
[15:14]	Hex	Roger Stone was claiming that JK/UK FCO were planning some super shady shit to prevent him from dropping more files.
[15:14]	Hex	But it's Roger Stone, the least trustworthy reporter of all time.
[15:15]	Ellardy	There is a chance, it's slim, but it's there. And it might change electoral system if Americans see the President negotiated. And I guess it might save the Republicans like Thal and your dad
[15:16]	Quelaagga	drops a note on the floor and leaves
[15:17]	Quelaagga	it says "we should have ranked order voting guys it would solve everything"
[15:17]	Brut	I feel like channeling Jim Jeffries and enjoying the thought of Trump winning
[15:17]	Brut	Just to see the crazy shit
[15:17]	Thalia	Should drop the Electoral College too
[15:17]	Brut	The four year long South Park episode to come
[15:17]	Ellardy	Get your Republicans to go for that. It's their only chance of survival
[15:22]	Hex	The Republican Party was dead long before Trump arrived. He was the last hurrah.
[15:22]	Hex	It already splintered.
[15:22]	Hex	Ted Cruz, a man who forced a government shutdown to make a point, ran for president because of the Tea Party.
[15:23]	Quelaagga	Tea Party has integrated with and taken over much of Republican party. It's kind of terrifying.
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[15:25]	Brut	Boston can't be happy they highjacked their thing
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[15:47]	Hex	https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787889195507417088 It's actually happening.
[15:47]	_	[ WikiLeaks on Twitter: "Julian Assange's internet link has been intentionally severed by a state party. We have activated the appropriate contingency plans." ] - twitter.com
[15:48]	Glernaj	uh...huh
[15:49]	Hex	Stone wasn't lying.
[15:49]	Hex	Assange is about to be forcibly extradited.
[15:49]	Glernaj	evidence supporting that statement?
[15:50]	Hex	Roger Stone, mostly.
[15:50]	Hex	We won't know until WikiLeaks drops their reveal.
[15:51]	Glernaj	Actually reminds of how amusing I found UN talking about Assange being "arbitrarily detained" in that embassy
[15:51]	Glernaj	as though he's being held prisoner, instead of willingly hiding from the law
[15:52]	Hex	To be fair, he's hiding from sexual assault charges that were proven false that Sweden demands he go to jail for.
[15:52]	Ellardy	^Swedish law too
[15:52]	Ellardy	http://gizmodo.com/these-cryptic-wikileaks-tweets-dont-mean-julian-assange-1787866602
[15:52]	_	[ These Cryptic Wikileaks Tweets Don't Mean Julian Assange Is Dead ] - gizmodo.com
[15:52]	Ellardy	Proven false? Oh? Didn't hear that
[15:53]	Glernaj	I never heard anything about them being proven false either
[15:53]	Hex	Julian Assange's case is bizarre.
[15:53]	Hex	There's weird ass shit going on with him that links back to the US government.
[15:54]	Hex	Probably because of all those CIA documents.
[15:55]	Glernaj	there being links back to the US doesn't surprise me at all
[15:55]	Ellardy	I thought the Swedish case was unrelated to the US
[15:55]	Ellardy	Like, it's a rape allegation.
[15:56]	Glernaj	Sure, but an extradition on those grounds could then be very easily shifted into extradition to the US for espionage
[15:56]	Hex	IIRC Assange fled because Sweden has something insane like a 99.9% conviction case for rape allegations.
[15:56]	Glernaj	jesus, really?
[15:56]	Glernaj	that's kinda... worrisome
[15:57]	Ellardy	Only reason it's remotely linked to US is because Assange has pointed out that once arrested in Sweden there's a possibility the US ask to extradite him for releasing classifying stuff and Sweden accepts
[15:57]	Ellardy	"In 2009, Amnesty International published a report on rape in the Nordic countries, criticizing the low conviction rates in Sweden, citing previously published estimates from Brå of around 30,000 incidents of rape, with less than 13 percent of the 3,535 rape crimes reported resulting in a decision to start legal proceedings and 216 persons convicted in
[15:57]	Ellardy	2007.[44][45]"
[15:58]	Hex	Also, it wasn't even a rape allegation; it was something like sexual assault charge.
[15:58]	Ellardy	Ok, yes, I think you're right there
[15:58]	Hex	Not even a sexual assault charge at that, a sexual assault 0x1dallegation.
[15:58]	Hex	Which is super broad in Sweden btw.
[15:59]	Ellardy	It can't be anything except an allegation until he goes to court. Guilty until proven otherwise and the rest of it
[16:00]	Glernaj	there can be charges
[16:00]	Hex	Enough about that though, if Assange is arrested WikiLeaks is about to release their 0x1dinsurance keys.
[16:00]	Hex	That's 88 GB of encrypted files.
[16:00]	Ellardy	No. These are labelled "pre-commitment"
[16:00]	Ellardy	They're there to stop someone tampering with their files. It's not a dead-man switch being activated
[16:01]	Hex	Oh no.
[16:01]	Hex	https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/743824112376766465
[16:01]	_	[ Twitter ] - mobile.twitter.com
[16:01]	Hex	I mean this.
[16:01]	Ellardy	Oh there's more?
[16:02]	Glernaj	hmm
[16:02]	Ellardy	I'll wait until the dust settles to find out what happened
[16:02]	Ellardy	Going to lunch
[16:02]	Ellardy	See ya
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[16:02]	Glernaj	ponders vaguely upon the legal implications of people helping to disseminate that file.
[16:04]	Hex	There are only three things that are eternal - the sun, the moon, and the truth.
[16:05]	Glernaj	Erm
[16:05]	Mishie	uh
[16:05]	Glernaj	None of those are eternal
[16:05]	Glernaj	the sun and the moon certainly aren't, and the truth is fluid at best
[16:06]	Mishie	I think that's the joke?
[16:06]	Mishie	I'm not sure
[16:06]	Glernaj	shrugs.
[16:06]	Mishie	Hex
[16:06]	Quelaagga	Well, I suppose they're eternal in relation to us. Or the ideas are eternal
[16:07]	Brut	I thought it was the moon and the ocean
[16:07]	Hex	It's more that I messed up the excited middle bit, whoops.
[16:07]	Hex	“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”
[16:08]	Mishie	yeah you fucked up hard
[16:08]	Glernaj	that makes much more sense
[16:10]	Brut	I don't know man. I've had some winters where the moon was hidden a good long time
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[16:24]	Hex	The only website currently reporting on Assange's disappeareance is RT.com.
[16:24]	Mishie	good old roosterteeth
[16:25]	Hex	When Assange's internet connection being cut and the potential release of 88 0x1dgigabytes 0x1dof data is literally the biggest news story of the year.
[16:30]	Glernaj	I'd hesitate to really call it that personally
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[17:17]	Elara	It's only the biggest news story of the year if you were in a coma until, like, last week or something
[17:18]	FaustIsDrunk	Or you don't care about the election I guess.
[17:23]	Elara	Its not just the us election that's a bigger story than Julian Assange doing... Anything
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