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- Panjy: '''Oppose''' - This is a case of mostly good intentions and poor execution.
- The reason I say "mostly" is because from what I can tell,
- you're in the wiki community doing good work but I personally
- feel it started for questionable reasons. I heard of you before I met you,
- from some acquaintances in the pvm community and also on reddit.
- Upon meeting you at one of the ET-hosted rago events, I knew you had a name as a
- pvmer and have had hard mode rago records. Flash forward several months and the
- first thing I grew to notice was your ironman Manhattan (didn't know it was you at the time)
- guesting in the clan and coming off as elitist. Not in a confrontational "I'm better than you"
- manner, but in response to someone saying they don't have 400m to buy gold premier via bonds,
- you said (paraphrased) things like ''just get a praesul codex drop, easy 700m, worth almost
- two premiers'', then quickchatting that you had a praesul codex drop on ironman.
- Manhattan: This really was more of a joke than to have an upperhand. I attempted to host an angel of death
- event and offered to teach the boss to as many people that wanted to come. If all I do is this high level pvm then obviously
- the good things for most people are just average for me. For example, getting a praesul codex drop isnt even all that
- exciting to me, because I do bosses a lot of drops come every so often. Like you said, you know I do this stuff a lot, so
- would everything I say or do be considered bragging? How come you don't bring up the fact that I hosted my own raffle,
- or attempted to host an aod learning event, but instead you bring up a bad joke for something you really can't even blame
- me for.
- Panjy: Then as you continued to talk, it looked like you were casually trying to one-up people even
- though the RSW community tends to not do high tier pvm like you do. Over time that type of
- behavior became less frequent, but the elitist mentality seeps out into your interactions with people still now.
- Manhattan: I love being competitive, so I'm sorry if it came off as being elitist. In my opinion, an elitist is one who
- makes comments over little things, but then doesn't offer any constructive criticism, just flames that someone is
- not as good as them (which ironically is the other way around usually).
- Panjy: As for the raffle that others have mentioned, see [https://imgur.com/a/fsoxg here] for the following references.
- Flash forward to 23 November when clan member Fire rage decided to host a raffle of
- (initially) 20 bonds out of his own pocket for the members of the RSW clan.
- He wanted people to be eligible if they had been in the clan for two months, which was then
- made to be 28 September. A normal response to a raffle would be excitement and maybe some
- disappointment for not being eligible. But you got mad and stayed mad about the rule. You complained
- in the clan chat to me and to Fire rage minutes after it was opened, pmed me on discord about it, then again
- in the cc the next day to others. When I made clan event broadcasts to advertise the raffle, you remarked on the rule.
- It got to the point where I didn't want to bring it up when you were around because you were going to complain again.
- After feeling like the rules wouldn't change, you went to others who weren't even involved in the raffle. They either
- did not want to talk about it or tried to calm you down, but that prompted you to complain to yet more others. You felt
- upset that people weren't listening to you. You had valid points, and the rule was thereafter changed. The declining
- of your entry however was not to single you out for expressing discontent but rather the way you made a point to complain
- many times the raffle was even brought up. It should have been obvious that most of the people you asked didn't want
- to talk about it for a ''reason''. Your poor behavior was the reason but you didn't see that ever. It seems that if
- you do not have your way, you complain until people stop responding to it. Then you go to someone you think will be
- able to change things to your liking. This was the case both with the raffle and for the private server issue mentioned
- by others.
- Manhattan: That's a pretty major flaw that I have in my personality is that I'm very persistent with things that
- it gets out of hand sometimes. I am sorry for how I acted and I know I could have done things better,
- but it goes both ways. I expect you guys to be open-minded with future events and at least consider some
- of the arguements I made instead of pushing opposing ideas away with a generic response
- of ''It's his money he can do what he wants with it"
- Panjy: Which leads me to what I feel is the root of all of this. There have been editors who, like you, were
- highly competent pvmers and known in the pvm community. And it is well known the kind of toxic and
- elitist behavior that is commonplace and thrives in those spheres. However, it is not well received here,
- though people tend to put up with it due to the more passive, rather than aggressive, personalities in the
- community. One particular example of an elitist mentality coming through your words was in the
- [https://i.imgur.com/1T2aeA7.png fourth] image of the album: '''"It made me pretty angry when I saw that an
- IP got approved for the raffle / but someone like me has no chance no matter what I do."''' That's when I
- definitively started feeling like you like to show off the fact that you have the wikian title and that you
- do things for the wiki, whether in the clan or on reddit or discord. The same way you made a point to show
- off the fact that you pvm. You are not better than anyone else for it, and an IP is no less worthy than you
- just because they don't have a wiki account. This elitism over others, coupled with apparent brown-nosing of some
- users with higher wiki perms/cc ranks, makes me question your character in and out of the wiki community.
- Manhattan: I don't think you understood my point when I said "It made me pretty angry when I saw that an
- IP got approved for the raffle / but someone like me has no chance no matter what I do." You made it an Event's Team
- event, and not only that, you put the entry on the Wiki. There is some correlation with the event and
- the wiki at that point, and that contributions to the wiki should have a small impact on the raffle, big or small.
- I still don't know why you would call me elitist over that comment though. My point was no that I made contributions to the wiki,
- but rather the only requirement was something unattainable, instead of something which could be done later.
- Panjy: People like your work, like your determination. Though if you have never gotten feedback
- on the negative aspects of your behavior, I hope you take this to heart but not personally.
- As harsh as this sounds, I hope that there can be better and healthier communication to and from
- the community. Don't let this discourage you, but rather let it be another facet to improve as you
- continue contributing to the wiki.
- Manhattan: I appreciate the response. As I said to others, I will take all this criticism and I am glad that its coming.
- Cheers
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