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  2. Panjy: '''Oppose''' - This is a case of mostly good intentions and poor execution.
  3. The reason I say "mostly" is because from what I can tell,
  4. you're in the wiki community doing good work but I personally
  5. feel it started for questionable reasons. I heard of you before I met you,
  6. from some acquaintances in the pvm community and also on reddit.
  7. Upon meeting you at one of the ET-hosted rago events, I knew you had a name as a
  8. pvmer and have had hard mode rago records. Flash forward several months and the
  9. first thing I grew to notice was your ironman Manhattan (didn't know it was you at the time)
  10. guesting in the clan and coming off as elitist. Not in a confrontational "I'm better than you"
  11. manner, but in response to someone saying they don't have 400m to buy gold premier via bonds,
  12. you said (paraphrased) things like ''just get a praesul codex drop, easy 700m, worth almost
  13. two premiers'', then quickchatting that you had a praesul codex drop on ironman.
  14.  
  15. Manhattan: This really was more of a joke than to have an upperhand. I attempted to host an angel of death
  16. event and offered to teach the boss to as many people that wanted to come. If all I do is this high level pvm then obviously
  17. the good things for most people are just average for me. For example, getting a praesul codex drop isnt even all that
  18. exciting to me, because I do bosses a lot of drops come every so often. Like you said, you know I do this stuff a lot, so
  19. would everything I say or do be considered bragging? How come you don't bring up the fact that I hosted my own raffle,
  20. or attempted to host an aod learning event, but instead you bring up a bad joke for something you really can't even blame
  21. me for.
  22.  
  23. Panjy: Then as you continued to talk, it looked like you were casually trying to one-up people even
  24. though the RSW community tends to not do high tier pvm like you do. Over time that type of
  25. behavior became less frequent, but the elitist mentality seeps out into your interactions with people still now.
  26.  
  27. Manhattan: I love being competitive, so I'm sorry if it came off as being elitist. In my opinion, an elitist is one who
  28. makes comments over little things, but then doesn't offer any constructive criticism, just flames that someone is
  29. not as good as them (which ironically is the other way around usually).
  30.  
  31. Panjy: As for the raffle that others have mentioned, see [https://imgur.com/a/fsoxg here] for the following references.
  32. Flash forward to 23 November when clan member Fire rage decided to host a raffle of
  33. (initially) 20 bonds out of his own pocket for the members of the RSW clan.
  34. He wanted people to be eligible if they had been in the clan for two months, which was then
  35. made to be 28 September. A normal response to a raffle would be excitement and maybe some
  36. disappointment for not being eligible. But you got mad and stayed mad about the rule. You complained
  37. in the clan chat to me and to Fire rage minutes after it was opened, pmed me on discord about it, then again
  38. in the cc the next day to others. When I made clan event broadcasts to advertise the raffle, you remarked on the rule.
  39. It got to the point where I didn't want to bring it up when you were around because you were going to complain again.
  40. After feeling like the rules wouldn't change, you went to others who weren't even involved in the raffle. They either
  41. did not want to talk about it or tried to calm you down, but that prompted you to complain to yet more others. You felt
  42. upset that people weren't listening to you. You had valid points, and the rule was thereafter changed. The declining
  43. of your entry however was not to single you out for expressing discontent but rather the way you made a point to complain
  44. many times the raffle was even brought up. It should have been obvious that most of the people you asked didn't want
  45. to talk about it for a ''reason''. Your poor behavior was the reason but you didn't see that ever. It seems that if
  46. you do not have your way, you complain until people stop responding to it. Then you go to someone you think will be
  47. able to change things to your liking. This was the case both with the raffle and for the private server issue mentioned
  48. by others.
  49.  
  50. Manhattan: That's a pretty major flaw that I have in my personality is that I'm very persistent with things that
  51. it gets out of hand sometimes. I am sorry for how I acted and I know I could have done things better,
  52. but it goes both ways. I expect you guys to be open-minded with future events and at least consider some
  53. of the arguements I made instead of pushing opposing ideas away with a generic response
  54. of ''It's his money he can do what he wants with it"
  55.  
  56. Panjy: Which leads me to what I feel is the root of all of this. There have been editors who, like you, were
  57. highly competent pvmers and known in the pvm community. And it is well known the kind of toxic and
  58. elitist behavior that is commonplace and thrives in those spheres. However, it is not well received here,
  59. though people tend to put up with it due to the more passive, rather than aggressive, personalities in the
  60. community. One particular example of an elitist mentality coming through your words was in the
  61. [https://i.imgur.com/1T2aeA7.png fourth] image of the album: '''"It made me pretty angry when I saw that an
  62. IP got approved for the raffle / but someone like me has no chance no matter what I do."''' That's when I
  63. definitively started feeling like you like to show off the fact that you have the wikian title and that you
  64. do things for the wiki, whether in the clan or on reddit or discord. The same way you made a point to show
  65. off the fact that you pvm. You are not better than anyone else for it, and an IP is no less worthy than you
  66. just because they don't have a wiki account. This elitism over others, coupled with apparent brown-nosing of some
  67. users with higher wiki perms/cc ranks, makes me question your character in and out of the wiki community.
  68.  
  69. Manhattan: I don't think you understood my point when I said "It made me pretty angry when I saw that an
  70. IP got approved for the raffle / but someone like me has no chance no matter what I do." You made it an Event's Team
  71. event, and not only that, you put the entry on the Wiki. There is some correlation with the event and
  72. the wiki at that point, and that contributions to the wiki should have a small impact on the raffle, big or small.
  73. I still don't know why you would call me elitist over that comment though. My point was no that I made contributions to the wiki,
  74. but rather the only requirement was something unattainable, instead of something which could be done later.
  75.  
  76. Panjy: People like your work, like your determination. Though if you have never gotten feedback
  77. on the negative aspects of your behavior, I hope you take this to heart but not personally.
  78. As harsh as this sounds, I hope that there can be better and healthier communication to and from
  79. the community. Don't let this discourage you, but rather let it be another facet to improve as you
  80. continue contributing to the wiki.
  81.  
  82. Manhattan: I appreciate the response. As I said to others, I will take all this criticism and I am glad that its coming.
  83. Cheers
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