new rba underflow strat testing

b228 tid (candy is required for red-bar, red-bar is required for go fast)
(need 1 less in ID balls since we no longer use them to catch the main)
Surfboard not too troublesome to get later, we did it before after all
Old strat was money before gio, should still be doable
Only needed for Surge, could quickwarp after Erika instead (Doable, but needs cleaning up)

A as player name should work since we don't double distort
but BLUE is slightly faster

R{72}{72}G-h rival name, {72} can be anything
Gifvex swaps pg for -h for gio-blaine warp that teaches dig, surprisingly fast
pc may be less worthwhile with less party members, but faster text and no movement means the situation is different to glitchless
Current timing slightly in favour of no deposit with Blaine pc

need ditto into kadabra manip, managed to get one of Entrpntr's ditto's to work with A+A Squirtle on Blue
Old nsc ditto manip works with bag backout, just need consistent extended into kadabra
Old nsc ditto works with double bag backout for BLUE+A, but that's hard and loses all the time we save anyway
Couldn't get any of the manips to work for BLUE+A as fast as A+A, just go with that for now I guess
Don't really remember if playing on Red causes issues right now, used to be a problem for getting self-destruct, does it change connection warps? I think so. Not worth looking into right now, have blue Ditto.

marowak kinda works, but either use a bunch of digs, or risk some bonemerangs
but get thrash, not sure how helpful that is in an IT world
also thrash is a range on arcanine (86% with 15dv), beedrill only has 80 attack in gen 1
worth thrashing over 3 bonemerang though
35% to hit all bonemerangs+thrash range
only bottom floor gets rage, so non-viable

buy only 1 rope, use it to drop to 3 items

flash
swap kadabra to slot 1
1 --> 4
flash
toss slot 2
2 --> 3
flash
3 --> 2
toss slot 2
1 --> 2
1 --> 2
underflow

final key item quantity is old slot 4 quantity +2, getting it to 5 for HoF warp could be good

worth delaying some of the tm55 tosses until after get IT? probably. Need 2 tosses to delay until after Blaine

gifmenu for gio+blaine warp:
toss tm55 a bunch
(swap key item for surfboard?)
toss 1 from options
candy kadabra
brightness balls <--> connection max potion
ice heal <--> warping

step down, turn right

masterball x45 <--> TM27 stack
Jack 1 right, 1 up
scroll down, teach dig
swap tm28 with connection j
swap QMP with tileset potions
flash pokemon
battle gio

psychic x5

walk up 1, right 1, face down for blaine

psychic x3, dig

could pc on blaine, but get annoying jingles
roughly 20 seconds to toss, swap and use the pc
hof is roughly 8 seconds per poke, so blaine pc not worth it here,
Can i find a blaine to sabrina to koga menu? hopefully (unless gif beats me to it)
actually current route does a regular warp between koga and sabrina

might be better to try gio pc+blaine warp+sabrina warp in one menu?
Will probably want to swap JACK to inventory on Sabrina menu if doing same koga strat
Everything past Koga should work the same as long as I get early money surfboard
Might be worth letting Gifvex look for stuff though, that gio warp is amazing

Praise Gifvex, 2 options for Blaine-Sabrina

Dig strat:
Before Gio, replace last swap with:
Swap tileset with JACK in connections
Toss all of item below
Toss slot 2 once

After Blaine:
Dig out
Go to PC, deposit squirtle and Ditto
Toss slot 2 5 times
Swap QMP for CANCEL
Swap QMP below for north connection
Swap pokeball x7 for warping
swap Ice heal for MH04
Walk up 5? tiles
Swap safari ball for Pokedex
Walk up, fight Sabrina
Leave

Connection strat:
Before Gio, replace last swap with:
toss 7 from warping
swap tileset with QMP in connections
swap TM50 with JACK, toss 3
toss all of item below
toss slot 2 6 times

After Blaine:
Swap inventory item with CANCEL
Swap Sabrina item with Connection j
Do a funny walk
Fight Sabrina

Connection strat is 1 sec faster, close enough that it depends how it affects later menus

Koga Erika works the same, warps you directly above Erika, fine as long as we quickwarp to Surge
May want to swap Sabrina item and erika item, since we get an extra textbox on every pokemon after changing TID
Could also put HoF into TID, and get Erika from money (Sabrina doesn't work with money)
Or just toss 61 from j item for Sabrina, but that might be slower

Surge Quickwarp:
Need 92 quantity, closest I can find is the 111 tm50s from earlier
Can get a 91 during Sabrina warp, so close.
Tossing to 92 before Gio is fine for Sabrina warp, but not Erika sadly
Does mean can toss up to 22 from the TMs without timeloss though
Also need to toss 3 from JACK, and get a high value into tileset.
Ideally would do as much of this setup as possible before Gio, but requires things to align for both Sabrina and Erika warps

Current strat: (After Koga)
Swap Erika item to HM04
Swap it to Brightness
Swap it to connection
Walk up
Toss 3 from JACK
Swap with tm50
Toss all but 1 from Ultra ball
toss 19 from TM50
swap with connection j
swap connection j with tileset
toss 4 from warping
Fight Erika
Step up
Fight Surge
Walk down to cerulean

Really wish Erika would work with TM50 x92, but cannot walk up after the fight :(
Tossing the ultraballs saves a tile of movement on Blaine and Sabrina, but loses a tile on Erika
Also need to find a new tm50 toss that works
(toss 4 works up to Erika, cannot walk up after)
(toss 6 works up to Erika, can only walk up 1 tile after)
(toss 16-17 work on erika, but very slow, not worth)
(toss 20-21 might work on erika without the ball toss)
They do, better for Sabrina?
No, the exit is blocked
Swapping JACK and TM50 early also seems to fail
How long does a toss take? currently lose 7 tiles of movement on Sabrina,
can save 5 tiles by tossing 6 at Gio, 14 before erika warp, then 2 to set Surgewarp
Toss seems to take ~1.6 seconds, around 6 tiles of movement

Working TM50 tosses for Blaine-Erika:
3 (7 tiles lost)
6 (2 tiles lost) (LUURURDDDRRRDDDR) (Can walk 1 tile up after Erika)
7 (0 tiles lost) (can walk up 2 tiles after Erika) (doesn't work, click item on Blaine menu)

Toss 3 seems like only value that saves a toss, nothing saves enough steps to be worth a toss

HoF from money:
Buy 2 ropes, toss 6 after Blaine, swap out after Koga
(Also need to buy 2 potions, so can toss. Haven't checked for click items yet)
Could buy 1 rope and a burn heal instead if need only 1 rope

Erika from Money:
Need 0x69 (105) before Gio, or 0x72 (114) after Blaine to get it after Koga
Need 0x83 (131) before Gio to get it after Blaine
None of these look too likely unfortunately

Surge from Money:
Impossible directly, 0x60 is closest possible
Not possible with current HoF money, ignore for now

Dig from Blaine:
Swapping away the JACK used for surge quickwarp isn't ideal
No value for the potion stack lets you move up 3 tiles after Erika
Tossing 20 TM50s works, same as before, as does tossing 3
How to leave after Surge though?
Not seeing this saving time even if I get it to work
Adds an extra swap at minimum, I think this is slower :(

Gio PC:
Weird jingle plays even on Gio PC, annoying
Not sure if better than Blaine PC, assumed Gio PC didn't have that, must be consequence of new glitch
Very bad menu after Gio, since it seems we can't do the tileset swap before changing maps
Or maybe I messed up there

strat:
toss slot 2 once after getting underflow
After Jacking fight Gio
After fight, toss slot 2 6 times
Swap QMP for CANCEL
Swap TM27 with TM37, toss 14
Deposit
Teach dig, swap to north connection
Walk up 1 right 1
Swap TM50 for JACK, toss 3
Swap QMP for tileset
toss all but 7 from warping
Swap connection for Sabrina item

This feels slower than Blaine PC, or at least very similar
Therefore not worth it, stupid jingle

Player name, A or BLUE?
Naming time? 80 frames is a number i have in my head, no idea how accurate
70-80 according to Gifvex, so BLUE is faster
How many times does player name print?
2 in intro
1 in oak starter talk
1 in starter manip
1 in rival pre-battle
2 at end of rival fight
1 from rival post-battle
1 getting parcel
6 in pokedex chat
1 getting antidote
2 at end of weedle fight
1 from ditto catch
1 from kadabra catch

20 total, so should be ~20 frames faster to go with BLUE
Pre-manip route used A though, so maybe not correct

Need to recheck for Ditto yoloballs now, yay
Couldn't find any that idn't just lose all the timesave, good for now I guess

Squirtle manip needs doing, don't have one on Blue with 1 character player name
However, it may be worthwhile to just take the longer player name and use an existing fast manip, e.g.

5 char:
blue_pal_gfskip_hop0_title0(S)_cont(A+A)  (base cost: 0)
[154] DVs 1024    > IGT: 32-35 & 38-41 & 43-46

blue_pal(ab)_gfskip_hop1_title0(S)_fsback(A+B)_fsback(A+B)_cont(S+A)  (base cost: 327)
[ 23] DVs 1024    > IGT: 4-13

Compared to this 1 char manip (on red), the top one actually saves time

red_pal_gfskip_hop0_title0(S)_fsback(A+B)_fsback(S+B)_fsback(A+B)_cont(S+A)  (base cost: 294)
[53] DVs 1024    > IGT: 44-1


Red vs Blue:
Different preset names
Different manips, unknown which is currently faster
Different "gym" layout for sabrina, surge, and brock warps
Therefore different TM50 tosses (toss 3 no longer works, for example)

Red menus:
toss 7 tm50 for Blaine should work (saves all Sabrina movement too, but has a turn frame) (RUUUDRRDDRRDDD)
Then toss 15 before warping to erika
nope, click item on Blaine

toss 20 works up to Sabrina (UUUDRRRDDDDRRD)
then toss 2 on Erika
No click item, just our good friend 9f

Brock-HoF quickwarp idea:

Step left 1
Swap []F[] to warping
Swap Great ball with HM04
Swap glitch item to north connection, toss 18
Walk up 2
Swap North connection with warping, then tileset
Swap ????? with []G[]
Swap potion with HM05, toss 6
Walk left 2, fight brock
After fight walk 2 up

Adds 2 swaps
Saves a toss, 10 steps and a warp

Seems faster by a couple of seconds, neat
But also doable for old route, so not an advantage for kadabeedrill

HoF from TID idea:
Saves boosted exp textboxes on Erika, Surge and Misty (8 total)

Rival name: ~~~s-hR (~ is any character) Aaas-hR should work? Aajs-hR technically optimal I think
Swap 1st rival name into money after Blaine
Swap it out (and use it) after Koga
Get 76 from TID, a little awkward, can't swap directly to north connection
Could swap it to warping, but that just loses all the time saved doing the quickwarp
Can't get this to work sadly, post-misty menu is just too busy as is
Put d6 in TID, swap warping to TID (Must be that order unfortunately)
Can't see anything better without redoing the whole menu

20 inputs for this rival name, 18 for the old one, but not all inputs are equal
(I think the new one might actually be faster with tas inputs)
Rival name appears 17 times, so lose 17 more frames
Save 4 scrolls on Gio menu
6 extra scrolls on Blaine, and an extra swap, but save a toss
Save a swap on Koga
Save 8 textboxes on Erika/Surge/Misty
Lose 8 scrolls on the Brock menu

Overall save 8 textboxes and a toss.
Lose 10 scrolls, 2 rival name inputs, and 17 frames

Definitely worth it, time to make another TID manip video I guess.
The menus do still work