pmario

[14:04] <Sabby23> so a question to the runners/past runners, etc of pm64. would you be against a new category of any% without the peach warp? It wouldn't replace the current any%.
[14:05] <Sabby23> My reasoning is that peach warp and as a result laki early has killed a lot of activity for the game. I've also seen a lot of people, runners and non runners, say that it makes the current any% a boring run.
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[14:41] <Iateyourpie> i would be against it personally, if you've seen all the backlash with lttp
[14:42] <Iateyourpie> if you want to thats fine, i won't run the category, but I don't want anymore drama with pmario
[14:43] <Sabby23> yeah, I understand that, not the best timing, but one good point from all that I saw from golden, each community needs to decide what's best for itself.
[14:44] <Sabby23> and I just feel like it's sad that the amount of active runners just dropped a bunch a little while after the skip, and something like this would give an option to people who think any% has become very boring and open up some more competition again.
[14:45] <Sabby23> I feel like this is a very different situation from alttp
[14:47] <Sabby23> I'm hoping that people would understand the reasoning behind it, especially since I've seen people who don't run the game say that any% sounds boring now
[14:47] <Iateyourpie> i honestly don't c are anymore
[14:47] <Iateyourpie> if you guys go for it i won't be opposed
[14:47] <Iateyourpie> just wouldn't say that I would support it either
[14:47] <Iateyourpie> my only argument would be
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> is that All Cards is a fine category
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> if you're bored of any%
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> like, to me
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> you only get to do ch's 7 and 8
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> and you still skip most of the content
[14:48] <Iateyourpie> why not just do all cards if content is what you want
[14:48] <Sabby23> I guess the thing that would still make it different from an all cards run is
[14:49] <Sabby23> you don't get mega rush which makes strats a lot different
[14:49] <Iateyourpie> *shrugs*
[14:49] <Sabby23> and there are no cs skips
[14:49] <Iateyourpie> like i said im not going to really care either way
[14:49] <Iateyourpie> im just saying it doesn't make much sense to run a lame any%, when you can run all cards for all the reasons you gave is all
[14:49] <Sabby23> alright
[14:52] <Sabby23> that makes sense, but there are also a lot of things people don't like about all cards whether it be strats, length, tricks, etc.
[14:52] <Sabby23> and things that they don't like about what any% has become, mostly in that you don't actually do much at all anymore
[14:53] <Sabby23> this is me just guessing though
[14:53] <Sabby23> I can't say those are the reasons for sure or not
[14:53] <Sabby23> I guess it just mostly comes down to what runners have fun with
[14:54] <gigadb> yeah pretty much
[14:54] <gigadb> I enjoy both categories
[14:54] <Iateyourpie> like i said
[14:54] <Iateyourpie> you guys do what you gotta do
[14:54] <Iateyourpie> but we will continue to take heat
[14:54] <gigadb> Who cares
[14:54] <Sabby23> I understand that
[14:55] <gigadb> we just want to have fun
[14:55] <Iateyourpie> i understand that
[14:55] <gigadb> it shouldn't be about what non-runners want
[14:55] <Sabby23> but yeah there are points where we just gotta do what we feel is best for the activity of the game
[14:55] <Iateyourpie> i thought you guys wanted to do a glitchless category
[14:55] <Sabby23> I think there was more negativity about glitchless
[14:55] <Iateyourpie> im just saying making arbitrary categories
[14:55] <gigadb> glitchless is just more of a for fun race category
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> wouldn't be something I'd say is best for the game is all
[14:56] <gigadb> no one really intended to run it seriously
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> but whatever you guys do
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> go for it
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> i just remember the Whole Ring Rush
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> statement
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> idk
[14:56] <Iateyourpie> i just am tired of taking shit for running paper mario
[14:56] <Ishnisum> at this point it's either take a bit of shit to revive the game or let the game die
[14:56] <Sabby23> honestly I don't feel like we could do anything at this point to repair that reputation
[14:57] <Sabby23> people already feel how they're gonna feel
[14:57] <gigadb> if anything alttp will take some attention away from us
[14:57] <gigadb> so we can do it and not take as much heat
[14:57] <Sabby23> people just want to have fun with pmario again is all
[14:58] <Ishnisum> there is always going to be shit, there is nothing we can do about that if we do something different then someone else they won't like it. but every game is going to take the same shit for change
[14:58] <Sabby23> who never really had fun with all cards
[14:58] <Sabby23> and who lost their fun with the new any%
[14:59] <Iateyourpie> i just don't understand the meaning of revive
[14:59] <Iateyourpie> like
[14:59] <Iateyourpie> creating a category
[14:59] <Iateyourpie> revives a game for a month
[14:59] <Sabby23> it's not really revive per say
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> like you find new speed games
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> you move on
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> you can technicall run whatever you want
[15:00] <Sabby23> it's that some people want to have fun with the game how they used to
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> no ones stopping you
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> but creating a specific category, where the only difference is a trick
[15:00] <Sabby23> maybe they weren't done with wanting to play pmario
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> when we already have a category that limits tricks
[15:00] <Iateyourpie> to mee seems overkill
[15:00] <Sabby23> it's 1 trick, but you have to admit just how much it changes the run overall
[15:01] <gigadb> There were plenty of runners playing old any% and we had fun being competitive and we played for months
[15:01] <Ishnisum> if there is a trick that changes the game as much as this does why not make a new category?
[15:01] <Sabby23> I'm thinking more about what it did to the run overall, not how many tricks there are
[15:02] <Iateyourpie> if you want to do it go ahead
[15:02] <Sabby23> it was 20-25 minutes that takes out movement through 2 chapters that people enjoyed moving through
[15:02] <Iateyourpie> i just think that this isn't really going to solve things
[15:03] <Iateyourpie> i just don't want to be associated with the decision is all
[15:03] <Sabby23> it might not, who knows, but if a majority would enjoy running it isn't that reason enough?
[15:03] <Iateyourpie> if you guys decide to do it
[15:03] <Sabby23> all of this is for fun anyway
[15:03] <gigadb> well there really isnt a true way to "solve things" now is there? I think this is a solution that the runners of the game will enjoy
[15:03] <Iateyourpie> im just going to make it known that I wasn't against the idea, but I wasn't for the idea whatver
[15:03] <Iateyourpie> just saying neutral
[15:03] <Sabby23> that's perfectly fine
[15:03] <Iateyourpie> because i won't run it, but I understand if ou want to
[15:04] <gigadb> understandable
[15:04] <Sabby23> yeah