DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 4:53 AM
...
yeah, I'm done here.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 4:53 AM
Wait no come back
I said jk! D:
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:00 AM
Oh dear, I sleep a couple hours and I find this...
That's a great profile picture you made @Eyrion of Ox! :yum:
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:00 AM
In short: soap
Though you really didnt miss much
There was an idea to add soap, minor argument, and now it's meh as to whether soap will be added
tho one of it's effects, insta clearing potion effects, are def in I guess
also teas got removed to be revamped a bit
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:02 AM
i already finished the revamp for teas
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:02 AM
500+ messages all summed up for you
Huh I thought it would be considered fully revamped once some tea ideas were added
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:06 AM
ill write down specific teas later, but for now, i just summed up their mechanics
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:06 AM
No worries, I have already read most of the argument...
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:07 AM
they'll be able to created from all herbs
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:07 AM
Ooo quick reader
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:07 AM
and some other miscellaneous things
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:07 AM
or just good skimmer
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:07 AM
What if soap instead of giving an effect they would instead remove it, based on the herb you add?
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:08 AM
so a reverse of the idea for adding an herb giving you a buff if added?
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:08 AM
That would make them even harder to use and more meh
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:08 AM
That way you have an improved milk as you can target specific effects, and not loos the possitive ones
And then regular soap would remove it all
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:08 AM
Apprently the entire reason soap was added was to be a back up early game if you somehow ran out of milk
There are so little instances where milk is super useful
I still cant fathom why we need an entire item for this
It's not like milk is super useful in the first place, nor is it a large aspect of the base game or this mod or any mod really
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:13 AM
So, the way I see it: They are stackable, so useful on the go, as you can carry a stack with you instead of just one bucket of milk. Then towards mid-game you can start making scented soap to for instance get rid of the wither effect without loosing the strength effect you got to fight the Wither...
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:15 AM
Every instance for the idea of soap is uber specific tho. And sure I guess the soap would be nice as a mild convince in those uber specific moments but in the long run it barely changes anything and might as well not be there
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:22 AM
kicks Witchcat into a pit
your imagination is weak
I want soap for dealing with witch potions, wither skeletons, chemical spills, and the enderdragon.
oh, and guardian temples
so like 3/4ths of the base game's challenges.(edited)
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:23 AM
uhhhhh k
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:24 AM
fills the pit with gravel, and continues screaming at it
I think that a billion soaps is probably a bit much, but that's what systems are for, it's not like we have to manually make every type.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:25 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but it just sounds like the item's main purpose is just there to make yur experince better for you without actually seeing if it fits with the rest of the mod
Sure you know how to make great use of it when using other mods, but how would the average player react to it?
It'll remove wither for 2 seconds before they're hit with it again
yay?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:27 AM
two seconds is all you need
because then it's stopped
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:27 AM
No one else has any reason to use it because just out healthing and out gunning the enemy is simpler and more fun than having to sort through and deal with a supermarket shelf of scented soaps
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:27 AM
Did you see me arguing for a billion soaps, no, you're making a straw man to argue with you malodorous little twit.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:28 AM
What happened to not being an ass?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:28 AM
jk, see I didn't do anything assholish, because that magic phrase negated it.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:29 AM
Crucify me for a little hyperbole whatever but we cant just have items that cater to your specific style of play without thinking of how it impacts the mod as a whole and how others will react to it
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:29 AM
And I'm not saying we should.
You're really big on stating objections to arguements which aren't being made.
I make packs.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:30 AM
Ok and?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:30 AM
So yeah, I worry more about mod interaction
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:30 AM
Ok well i think focusing on making a stand alone mod should be our main concern
and not if some player will use obscure mod #345 when toying around with witch works
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:31 AM
Soap, as a whole means we can have poisons and teas do bad things to people to teach them about those effects, without constantly waiting for the effects to end.
I am good at designing a game experience.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:32 AM
Why on Earth would we have teas have negetive effects?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:32 AM
because belladona is poisonous?
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:32 AM
A tea made out of belladona is gonna be useless because no one is gonna drink it?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:33 AM
because mandrake will make you so constipated you can die from it unless you get your... you aren't reading what @Sunconure11: Astral is writing are you?
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:33 AM
You cant fling tea at others either
Poison tea is useless
A tea's job is to supply weak effects
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:33 AM
except for learning about poisons
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:33 AM
using belladonna in something might be required if you really want to figure out its effect, if you want to go down the route of learning its effects in the future(edited)
also mandrake is pretty toxic too
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:34 AM
Why do you feel as if we need to teach the player about herb corrospondences rather than just have the tool tip say "hey this does so and so"
so people dont need to consult a wiccapedia whenever they wanna have a little drink
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:34 AM
because challenges create satisfaction
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:35 AM
i like the herbology idea as a whole, but it should be saved for a future release, only because it would not be possible to implement on the first release
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:35 AM
yeah
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:35 AM
And what would be the use of letting the player know what a herb does???
Herbs are just gonna be like potion and ritual ingrediants
And it's not like we're making the player figure out the ritual and brew recipies
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:36 AM
because vanilla had parrots being fed chocolate
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:36 AM
as an easter egg
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:36 AM
not an easter egg
they did it because they feared little kids would try and feed them cookies IRL and kill a beloved family pet
the original item was in fact, a cookie, for taming them
but they switched it to seeds
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:37 AM
And how does any of that justify we forcing the player to learn herb corrospondences?
Do you think children are actually going to get their hands on deadly nightshade and hemlock?(edited)
No?
Then why bring it up?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:37 AM
similarly we tell people what is poisonous, because we're not fucking morons, and yes children get wolvesbane.
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:37 AM
nightshade actually grows like a weed, also, hemlock isn't planned
and aconites are grown as ornamentals
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:38 AM
I fucking swear guys
what the fuck
honestly
what the fuck
do you want to insert a manual about how to safely handle a blade too???
do any of you seriously think a 5 year old is gonna pick up this mod and suddenly want to inject a random fucking plant?
Im sorry but this is beyong silly
What the fuck guys
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:40 AM
i remember once when i was little, trying to replicate a scene from jackass
my dad was watching it
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:40 AM
Dude
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:40 AM
someone was shoving a toy car in their ass
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:40 AM
No
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:40 AM
i attempted to replicate it.
my mom stopped me but still.
little kids sometimes do emulate what they see
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:41 AM
Then I think it's time to boycott some mod about nukes because a child might get their hands on uranium
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:41 AM
I had to get emergency care for someone who consumed quicksilver.
because of a dumbass "magic potion recipie" they bought from a sketchy witch.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:42 AM
Let's boycott roots 2 too! Shame on them, encouraging children to go around grinding up plants that could potentionally be harmful to them
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:42 AM
uranium ore can actually be bought on amazon, uranium ore is fairly safe to be around, also, creating a nuke is far more complicated than eating a random plant
also, aside from the eggplant, pretty much all of the plants in roots are fictional
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:43 AM
It's still encourging children to go around and grind up plants!!!!
In fact, let's all ditch our efforts and make the hugs and hearts update instead
Seriously guys
Learn to take a no on your ideas
You dont have to reach this hard
Look at yourselves
Look at how you're arguing for some dumb shit like poisonious tea or scented soap
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:44 AM
Are you familar with the concept of ethical consequentalism?
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:45 AM
No
and I dont think it matters
You are arguing we should include poisionous tea to teach children not to put something with "deadly" in the name in their mouths
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:46 AM
I have come to the conclusion that, at least in your present state of mind, your opinion doesn't matter.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:46 AM
How dare you have soap clean potion effects! That'll teach children to go wash themselves instead of call for help when poisoned!!
Divine
shut the fuck up
You pompous twat
Dont you fucking tell me my opinion doesnt matter
you fuck wit
What the fuck is wrong with you???????
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:48 AM
Due to this incident, Witch Cat has been silenced until 7/21/2017.
Witch Cat the Cat Witch - Last Thursday at 5:48 AM
Dude what the fuck
Dont act like im the only one at fault here
Divine literally just fucking told me my opinion doesnt matter
Am I not allowed to fucking react?

Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:49 AM
Need I remind both you, @Witch Cat the Cat Witch and @DivineAspect: Alchemist the existence of rules 1 and 6?
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:52 AM
Doesn't hurt to do so. Have reread them. I certainly violated rule 1 when I got crude to highlight what I felt was Hipocracy.
My apologies to all for doing so.
Zerker96 - Last Thursday at 5:53 AM
what did i miss?
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:53 AM
divine has requested the silent role as well
DivineAspect: Alchemist - Last Thursday at 5:54 AM
Yeah, I need a time out
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:54 AM
"DivineAspect - Today at 5:45 AM
he needs to be sent to the corner, to be fair, you and I both need that also when badly sleep deprived.
When we're TEAM BAD IDEAS!
please silence him until tomorrow
thank you. I'll take a silence as well if you think it'd help."
DivineAspect will be given writer role again on 7/21/2017, and Witch Cat will be given the same role on 7/21/2017 as well (in EST, due to a lot of massive timezone differences between users here)(edited)
Ingoleth - Last Thursday at 5:55 AM
Silence should be given; Both you and witch cat have broken the rules, which should not remain without punishment(edited)
Sunconure11: Astral - Last Thursday at 5:56 AM
for now, i've placed the more complex herbology stuff in their own doc, seperate from the drive
Codebracker - Last Thursday at 6:50 AM
Omg, I go to sleep an this happens
100 messages about soap