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9:12 PM - a little girl: yeah thats true
9:12 PM - a little girl: uh im gonna ask phrakture for those stvs
9:12 PM - a little girl: and see what he was doing compared to me
9:13 PM - saveme: good cal
9:13 PM - saveme: l
9:13 PM - saveme: link me
9:13 PM - saveme: when u get it
9:13 PM - a little girl: alright
9:14 PM - a little girl: anything else I should work on besides / pickup more health / call jumps ?
9:14 PM - saveme: nope
9:14 PM - saveme: if you really want something to work on you can practice gimiicky jumps but mostly it's just trying not to get caught off guard
9:14 PM - saveme: for example
9:15 PM - saveme: try not to spam 3 rockets in a row through a choke without reloading
9:15 PM - saveme: cuz as a scout when a soldier does that I +forward him and get a free kill
9:15 PM - saveme: if you're really smart
9:15 PM - saveme: you can know your enemy
9:15 PM - saveme: some scouts like to go on 2 rockets
9:15 PM - saveme: so you can bait them into you while you're ready
9:15 PM - saveme: by firing,reload,firing really fast
9:16 PM - saveme: free picks for you
9:16 PM - saveme: but that's like metagame
9:16 PM - saveme: it helps if you understand it and can play with it and tbh you need to if we're serious about making lan
9:16 PM - saveme: but it's not
9:16 PM - saveme: essential
9:16 PM - saveme: /fundamental
9:17 PM - a little girl: i'll keep it in to have 3 rockets ready until I'm like bombing something / committing
9:17 PM - a little girl: thx
9:17 PM - a little girl: oh
9:20 PM - a little girl: 11:17 PM - a little girl: anyway i can help you & jav more?
9:20 PM - saveme: depends on the situation really
9:20 PM - saveme: you can help everyone more if you get more healthpacks
9:20 PM - saveme: that's how blaze is always everywhere at all times
9:20 PM - saveme: when you have the health for it you can commit to any fight
9:21 PM - saveme: and when you commit to a fight your teammate can fall back and you can get the pick and leave
9:21 PM - saveme: for example
9:21 PM - saveme: like one scrim
9:21 PM - saveme: you were clearing house
9:21 PM - saveme: while we pushed from second to mid on badlands
9:21 PM - saveme: you found a soldier there
9:21 PM - saveme: and called him
9:21 PM - saveme: i +forward to house as fast as i could and literally the exact second i got there you died and the enemy soldier fired his last rocket at you and made his way toward the pacc
9:21 PM - saveme: if i was 3 seconds late
9:22 PM - saveme: he would have gotten the chance to reload + the pack
9:22 PM - saveme: instead i was able to turn that pick into a trade (which is what it should be) and I prevented him from becoming a distraction/nuisance later
9:22 PM - saveme: that's what YOU should be trying to do, not just to your flank but to your combo too
9:22 PM - saveme: to the point where if you arrived a second too late whoever they were fighting is gone/has replenished their ammo
9:23 PM - saveme: that's why getting to fights early is so important
9:23 PM - saveme: you can't give your enemy a chance to reload
9:23 PM - saveme: another example
9:23 PM - saveme: i +forwarded mid and got behind to their yard
9:23 PM - saveme: while our team was fighting our garage/our yard
9:23 PM - saveme: i took a 1v1 with blaze and won but i used all my ammo and had 3hp
9:24 PM - saveme: justin found me 4 seconds later but i had reloaded all 6 scatters
9:24 PM - saveme: so i was able to take a 1v1 in an advantageous position
9:24 PM - saveme: and won
9:24 PM - saveme: despite having 3 health
9:24 PM - saveme: = 2 picks
9:24 PM - saveme: if justin had gotten there earlier he would have gotten the crossmap 3dmg shot
9:24 PM - saveme: and it would have been a trade
9:24 PM - saveme: he was too slow
9:24 PM - saveme: the biggest lesson you learn playing this game or ANY competitive FPS is that the key to winning
9:24 PM - saveme: is just one word
9:25 PM - saveme: Timing.
9:25 PM - saveme: it's 100% timing. All the time
9:25 PM - saveme: dummy calls it "perfection"
9:25 PM - saveme: which he uses to refer to perfect timing + synchronization from a team combined with hitting all the necessary shots to make it (note not hitting EVERYTHING but only the necessary shots)
9:25 PM - saveme: i just call it "timing" because it's easier to understand
9:26 PM - saveme: but that's basically this entire game in a nutshell
9:26 PM - saveme: being too slow as a team is actually a problem that a lot of teams encounter
9:26 PM - saveme: that's why HRG play so slowly, thye like to control all the variables and synchronize their pushes when they know that everyone on the team is 100% ready
9:26 PM - saveme: then the call becomes "go NOW"
9:26 PM - saveme: easy lan win
9:27 PM - a little girl: hmmm i'll again try and improve my mobility, i've been keeping that in mind, trying to react to your calls as fast as possible, just need to start pogoing everyway consistently
9:27 PM - a little girl: everywhere*
9:27 PM - saveme: pogoing is fun + effective
9:27 PM - saveme: if you can maneuvre your way around healthpacks you can do it all the time
9:28 PM - saveme: just remember, esp on roamer
9:28 PM - saveme: it's all about timing
9:28 PM - saveme: combo classes will never understand this
9:28 PM - saveme: because imo and i'm biased combo players think they know what they're doing but actually don't
9:28 PM - saveme: like
9:28 PM - saveme: SS doesn't care if getting Sparrow to climb spire wastes time
9:28 PM - saveme: he doesn't care if we do the exact same push into last every. single. time.
9:29 PM - saveme: he thinks that if he somehow hits the relevant shots, we will win the fight
9:29 PM - saveme: which is the dumbest period thing period ever period
9:29 PM - a little girl: well it seems like you guys think like completely different
9:29 PM - a little girl: i just hope we can work as a team
9:29 PM - saveme: me too
9:30 PM - saveme: saying "I'm smart and right; you're stupid and wrong" won't get us anywhere
9:30 PM - saveme: even if it's true
9:30 PM - saveme: there's a degree of compromise and give/take that needs to happen
9:30 PM - saveme: before anyone can see results
9:31 PM - a little girl: ya
9:31 PM - a little girl: well i'll try hard to use health packs
9:31 PM - a little girl: unfortunately i can't equalize away anymore
9:31 PM - a little girl: in like clear sight
9:31 PM - saveme: it's okay, you don't need it
9:31 PM - saveme: like
9:31 PM - saveme: do you know when blaze uses the equalizer
9:31 PM - saveme: ?
9:31 PM - saveme: this is actually important
9:31 PM - saveme: or escape plan or w/e u wanna call it
9:32 PM - saveme: he doesn't use it to get out, he uses it to buy time for his team
9:32 PM - saveme: im not sure if yo uremember that one mid
9:32 PM - saveme: on blands
9:32 PM - saveme: jav was shooting at him for 5 seconds
9:32 PM - saveme: while he had 1 hp
9:32 PM - saveme: because he was doing gay ass strafes with the equalizer out, which actually makes you harder to hit
9:32 PM - saveme: well riddle me this
9:32 PM - saveme: he was dead anyway
9:32 PM - saveme: why bother doing all that?
9:32 PM - a little girl: well ya
9:32 PM - a little girl: to waste time
9:32 PM - saveme: exactly
9:33 PM - saveme: now it didn't matter for that mid specifically because we lost it anyway
9:33 PM - saveme: BUT
9:33 PM - saveme: if it was a closer mid
9:33 PM - saveme: those 5 seconds would have meant absolutely fucking everything
9:33 PM - saveme: they would have saved the entire mid
9:33 PM - saveme: because they would have given his scout time to grab  a pack and reload while jav has 0 scatters loaded
9:33 PM - saveme: and is on the ground
9:33 PM - saveme: in a bad position
9:33 PM - saveme: instead of say
9:33 PM - a little girl: 11:22 PM - Phrakture: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8vnnvplawzg67f/20131008-2049-cp_badlands.dem
11:22 PM - Phrakture: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g9mil7e36kceqg4/20131008-2123-cp_granary.dem
9:33 PM - saveme: what 90% of roamers do
9:33 PM - saveme: which is
9:33 PM - saveme: when they know theyr'e gonnad ie
9:34 PM - saveme: they just fire off the rest of their rockets and keep waddling and reloading hoping something connects and they get a free pick
9:34 PM - saveme: that's how you know someone's playing for a team
9:34 PM - saveme: and not just for themselves
9:34 PM - saveme: when they're prepared to go "I don't care if i can get this clutch frag on jav by reloading my shots"
9:34 PM - saveme: "i'm gonna buy clockwork some time"
9:34 PM - saveme: and knowing blaze he could have probably gotten the kill
9:34 PM - saveme: but he's not practicing getting clutch frags
9:35 PM - saveme: he's pracitcing making good decisions
9:35 PM - a little girl: ah.... alright, i'll keep that in mind
9:36 PM - a little girl: i do try my best to play for the team but, i guess theres always more I could be doing
9:35 PM - saveme: thanks for stv
9:36 PM - a little girl: ya np
9:36 PM - saveme: you're a good roamer
9:36 PM - saveme: like you can be top tier
9:36 PM - saveme: i can't say the same about SS's pocket
9:36 PM - saveme: while he has the dm for it
9:36 PM - saveme: he doesn't think the way we do
9:36 PM - saveme: i don't know much about sparrow
9:36 PM - saveme: phrakture does though to a certain extent
9:36 PM - saveme: you can tell becuse he's prepared to make the right adjustments if it means playing more cohesively as a tema
9:37 PM - a little girl: yeah
9:37 PM - saveme: the nuts and bolts aspect of it comes up when you talk about how to spread the heals around and that stuff is actually really really complex and difficult to talk about because there's a number of ways you can approach it and it's more relevant in the context of the playstyle your team's doing
9:37 PM - saveme: that's why i don't want to argue about it just yet
9:37 PM - saveme: because we won't agree on it
9:38 PM - saveme: what we all SHOULD be able to agree on is taht all our decisions are to be made in the interest of benefiting the team EXCLUSIVELY
9:38 PM - saveme: that's why i got so pissed at SS that one scrim where he didnt jump last to block the cap
9:38 PM - saveme: blaze would have jumped it 100% guarenteed without even THINKING
9:38 PM - saveme: he wouldn't have even thought twice, he would have done it intuitively at this point because he KNOWS it's the only way to buy his team more time
9:39 PM - saveme: when i tried aruguing it with SS he got all defensive and started arguing about how he would have died and completley missed my point about buying time, saying that "there's no guarentee he would have gotten the blcok anyway" which is to say "so why bother?"
9:39 PM - saveme: which pisses me off to no end mind you
9:40 PM - a little girl: which is why i don't think we could discuss things like reasonably
9:40 PM - saveme: that's his problem though
9:40 PM - saveme: if he can't admit when he's dead wrong, either because he's lying and he knows that he is or he's oblivious and doesn't
9:40 PM - saveme: then he deosn't have the mentality to play at this level
9:40 PM - saveme: he's basically playing a single player game
9:40 PM - saveme: where in his mind he already lost because he can't win that fight against the scout
9:41 PM - a little girl: i think he knew you were right
9:41 PM - saveme: i think so too
9:41 PM - saveme: and i really hope he did
9:41 PM - saveme: because if he didn't then he's an idiot and i don't wanna play with him
9:41 PM - saveme: so i think he did
9:42 PM - a little girl: ya just, theres not a lot of "ya you're right" going around
9:42 PM - saveme: i don't care if he doesn't admit it as long as he makes the right play come matchtime
9:42 PM - saveme: i think i give a lot of "I agree with yous" tbh
9:42 PM - saveme: even though im argumentative and opinionated
9:42 PM - saveme: i'm open-minded too
9:42 PM - a little girl: ya but i mean collectively
9:42 PM - saveme: well
9:42 PM - saveme: i think phrakture does too
9:42 PM - saveme: i think jav is prepared and you certainly seem prepared
9:43 PM - saveme: that leaves SS who hasn't said a think, and his lovechild Sparrow who'll do whatever SS tells him to
9:43 PM - saveme: i'm hoping i can get phrakture to agree with me and in fact, whenever we talk about tf2 he tends to
9:43 PM - saveme: which is all we need for a 60-40 when (if) the time for refining our playstyle comes around
9:44 PM - saveme: and yes, i've already thought about this. reason being cuz i'm a gigantic tryhard
9:44 PM - saveme: but only if you want me to be
9:44 PM - a little girl: whatever helps us play together more
9:45 PM - saveme: that too
9:45 PM - saveme: if everyone doesn't care about making lan i'm prepared to not say another word for the entire rest of the season and just do whatever SS wants
9:45 PM - saveme: but if everyone is SERIOUS about making lan then all i'm doing is opening the floor up for the arguments that we NEED to have as a team in order to move forward
9:45 PM - saveme: that's how any team gets good
9:45 PM - saveme: and how any team makes lan
9:46 PM - a little girl: yeah... I just hope it ends well...
9:46 PM - saveme: it will
9:46 PM - saveme: dont worry
9:46 PM - saveme: above all things
9:46 PM - saveme: i'm a diplomat
9:46 PM - saveme: diplomat first, tryhard second
9:46 PM - saveme: i think we'll be fine
9:47 PM - a little girl: lol alright, im just gonna keep working on playing to the best of my ability
9:47 PM - saveme: you're probably doing the best out of all of us
9:47 PM - saveme: if you were awful we'd be losing every scrim 5-0 in < 10 minutes
9:47 PM - saveme: i think you can say the same thing about Sparrow
9:48 PM - saveme: even though i give him a lot of shit he's waaay better than most medics in invite this season
9:48 PM - saveme: if he was shit he wouldn't be able to carry SS in and out of every garbage uber he calls
9:48 PM - saveme: Sparrow's actually really good
9:48 PM - saveme: he just needs to get out of the habit he inherited from SS, namely healing soldiers
9:49 PM - saveme: in favor of healing scouts + demo way harder
9:49 PM - saveme: Phrakture's good but only when the enemy demo is shut down
9:49 PM - saveme: which this team needs to start prioritizing btw
9:49 PM - saveme: 19 deaths on Dummy, 9 of them were me
9:50 PM - saveme: ww deaths on Phrak, 9 of them were clockwork
9:50 PM - saveme: 22*
9:50 PM - saveme: he did a lot more dmg
9:50 PM - saveme: which leads me to believe that given his team can support him, phrakture can match up to most demos
9:51 PM - a little girl: i could focus the demo more but, if scouts are protecting him, I need to hit them with a rocket so they can leave
9:51 PM - saveme: and tbh given that a team can support me too, i feel like i can match up to most scouts too
9:51 PM - saveme: or
9:51 PM - saveme: another suggestion
9:51 PM - saveme: you can
9:51 PM - saveme: wait for them to get distracted
9:51 PM - saveme: it's a bad call for you to go into more than 1 player expecting to get a frag unless the other player is a med or a roamer/pocket with no ammo
9:52 PM - saveme: you'd find more success waiting ('baiting' as lowpen players would call it) for the perfect team when the scout isn't there then go in and grab your free pick
9:52 PM - saveme: time*
9:52 PM - saveme: you can ask your scout/teammates to create a distraction too if you want that to happen
9:52 PM - saveme: 90% of the time when ubers are being exchanged
9:53 PM - saveme: the closest scout to the fight is really, really far away
9:53 PM - saveme: which means that as teams are expecting us to use, their scouts will fall back while their demo stays to watch his trap
9:53 PM - saveme: get through that trap and you get a pick
9:53 PM - saveme: that's why demo counts as 2 picks
9:53 PM - saveme: because his trap counts as 1
9:53 PM - saveme: and he counts as 1
9:54 PM - a little girl: ya i mainly ment on mids cause
9:54 PM - a little girl: i have to wait out scouts like looking at me
9:54 PM - a little girl: before I can go
9:54 PM - saveme: you -need- to bait harder on mids or to start avoiding their scouts
9:54 PM - saveme: i'm telling you from experience
9:54 PM - saveme: you're the easiest soldier to kill on mid
9:54 PM - saveme: i know because i played you all of last season
9:54 PM - saveme: you do the same thing every mid and you're super easy to 2-shot + you come in really early usually
9:54 PM - saveme: instead try
9:55 PM - saveme: waiting for your pocket/demo to +forward then go in while their scouts are busy shooting at other people
9:55 PM - saveme: that's what mangachu does, everyone says he's baiting but in reality he's doing exactly what he needs to do, namely going in at the perfect time where he can do the most damage
9:55 PM - a little girl: ya but won't people just say im baiting
9:55 PM - saveme: that's why scouts struggle against mangachu on mids
9:56 PM - saveme: it doesnt matter what they say because you know that you're right, you know that your play is benefitting the team, and if the mid works they can't say shit
9:56 PM - saveme: which most of the time it will
9:56 PM - saveme: it's just a matter of getting your timing right
9:56 PM - saveme: what other roamers like tagg and mangachu too will do on mid is distract
9:56 PM - saveme: i.e they'll get behind (in house if it's badlands, garage if it's granary, sewer if it's process, etc)
9:57 PM - saveme: and then they re-emerge from taht exact area 3-4 seconds later OR from a different area after the fight (baiting)
9:57 PM - saveme: the latter is discouraged
9:57 PM - saveme: except when you're behind and you're coordinating a pinc with your team
9:57 PM - saveme: ie go in NOW
9:57 PM - saveme: perfection
9:57 PM - saveme: get it?
9:58 PM - a little girl: i mean yeah I thought about this a long time ago its just i felt really pressured to go in early or bait myself since thats what people thought I was supposed to do
9:58 PM - saveme: don't
9:58 PM - saveme: unless
9:58 PM - saveme: the mid we'rep laying is aggressive
9:58 PM - saveme: in aggressive mids, yes, bait yourself so we can +forward
9:58 PM - saveme: we basically use you as fodder
9:58 PM - saveme: but we've never played an aggrressive mid on this team the entirety of the time we started scrimming
9:58 PM - saveme: not one single aggressive mid
9:59 PM - saveme: by aggressive i mean soldier double bomb followed by double 185scout +forward with demo medic taking point
9:59 PM - a little girl: ah thats true
9:59 PM - saveme: if that specific instance it's a good idea to bait yourself
9:59 PM - saveme: yes
9:59 PM - saveme: but if we're playing passive and you bomb in for the sake of bombing in
9:59 PM - saveme: which you do btw
9:59 PM - saveme: then it's a very bad idea because you're basically giving them a free pick and no one on your team is in any position to follow up on your damage
10:00 PM - saveme: 5v6 mids all the way
10:00 PM - saveme: if you don't see an opportunity to jump. don't jump.
10:00 PM - saveme: simple as that
10:00 PM - saveme: stay on the floor, walk underneath, walk across point
10:00 PM - saveme: jump somewhere behind and distract
10:00 PM - saveme: get creative
10:00 PM - a little girl: alright, i'll keep that in mind
10:00 PM - saveme: but jumping into 2 scouts will get you killed
10:00 PM - saveme: 100% of the time
10:01 PM - saveme: with no payoff
10:01 PM - saveme: anyway i've been rambling long enough
10:01 PM - saveme: i need to get to work too
10:01 PM - saveme: we can talk more later
10:01 PM - a little girl: alright
10:01 PM - a little girl: thanks again
10:01 PM - saveme: no worries