MikeMToday at 1:52 AM
if you want to talk, let me know. it honestly shouldnt be a surprise as to why i'm pissed off, but after muting a handful of people i should be alright. without the constant passive aggressive mumbling bullshit i should probably be alright
LysToday at 1:53 AM
why did you ignore me on bnet tonight?
MikeMToday at 1:53 AM
because i was pissed off and didnt want to hear it
LysToday at 1:53 AM
I was going to message you literally with "come into discord but I don't care if you mute everyone except for me"
just so you could hear calls like "kill this block don't jump off the boat"
wasn't going to give you an earfull or anything
MikeMToday at 1:54 AM
i didnt want to hear the stupid ass comments, and would rather just play the game in silence
LysToday at 1:54 AM
but when I can't communicate something that simple
and it causes issues on actual pulls
that is obviously a problem
MikeMToday at 1:54 AM
its bad enough we're wiping on jaina for 3 hours, i dont want to hear snert say we should fucking dodge the orbs when nobody kicks the image
LysToday at 1:55 AM
not to mention, it's incredibly disrespectful to me.
MikeMToday at 1:55 AM
i dont want to hear tony queue his mic and mumble some bullshit then fuck up a pull later
of course it is, but i didn't want to deal with it i was beyond livid
i already blew up once and i didnt want to say anything else i'd regret
LysToday at 1:57 AM
but why can't you just mute tony and be done with it? why does it have to expand into some real drama that involves you muting the raid leader and gm
MikeMToday at 1:57 AM
well, i did now, including a few other people that never have anything to contribute
at the time, i wasn't acting rationally because i was upset
i cant really remove myself from the situation and leave raid
so i did the next best thing in my mind, which is just leaving discord and making sure i dont get messages
i heard what you said after raid, and the fact that you don't understand why anyone would be upset about the new atmosphere is ignorant
it should be pretty clear why it isn't a positive atmosphere
LysToday at 1:59 AM
you guys are making this atmosphere
MikeMToday at 2:00 AM
i could mumble and make passive aggressive comments
LysToday at 2:00 AM
1 person is making the group collectively lose their minds
MikeMToday at 2:00 AM
before this, i hadn't said much
what we say in our private discord is what it is
LysToday at 2:01 AM
I know you guys say shit in your private discord and I don't care about that. I think that's fine, you're not gonna like everyone, and it's great you have friends you can just vent to.
The problem is when it impacts raid.
MikeMToday at 2:01 AM
before this i don't think i have impacted raid to a great degree
i mostly keep to myself
LysToday at 2:02 AM
other than the time you ragequit and ended raid 10 minutes early
MikeMToday at 2:02 AM
that had nothing to do with the current situation with tony
which this wasnt even about tony
LysToday at 2:02 AM
MikeMToday at 11:01 PM
before this i don't think i have impacted raid to a great degree
MikeMToday at 2:03 AM
okay, i have impacted raid too a great degree, but i was talking about the current situation
if we want to talk in general we can, but i wasn't talking about that, i was talking about the tony shit, which i've been quiet about in raid
LysToday at 2:13 AM
I'm gonna be honest, I just don't know what to do at this point. I feel like I'm backed into a corner here. Like I'm trying to make excuses for you to myself you know?
MikeMToday at 2:14 AM
do what you want to do, but if you honestly fail to see why tony makes raid atmosphere toxic you're being incredibly ignorant. it's not just me renwix and colin that find his presence negative
make excuses or dont make excuses
the guild agreed on having a more talkative and friendly atmosphere and i literally feel on edge in raid to hear edgy passive aggressive comments
to which i wont even respoond to because i dont want to start shit
LysToday at 2:16 AM
Believe it or not, I've talked to plenty of people about this situation, and I know exactly what page they're on. Most people agree if you have a problem with one person, just mute them. Do you understand what you're asking of me? He's literally our only warlock.
All this BS because people can't just press the mute button.
MikeMToday at 2:16 AM
i'm not asking you to remove tony
i just want you to acknowledge it
LysToday at 2:16 AM
You think I haven't talked to him?
HELLO
MikeMToday at 2:16 AM
you said you dont even know why we're acting the way we do
LysToday at 2:16 AM
I tell him all the time, tony mute your fucking mic
No, you've got this wrong.
MikeMToday at 2:17 AM
i mean, i could grab the clip
LysToday at 2:17 AM
I understand why you FEEL the way you do.
I don't understand why you're letting it blow up into a much bigger deal than it has to be.
MikeMToday at 2:17 AM
i agree, i shouldn't have
i guess it was just build up from having a bad day/week and then snert trying to big dog colin about some retarded shit
LysToday at 2:18 AM
I'm literally the one who points out his mistakes
MikeMToday at 2:18 AM
and having tony say dumb shit along with it
LysToday at 2:18 AM
to bring his ego in line
MikeMToday at 2:20 AM
i dont think pointing out mistakes is a thing to most of us
during any progression anyone could flame and be an asshole
even during farm anyone could be an asshole
it's just irritating that this guy jooins our guild after shit talking us in streams for a year then starts saying shit
i'm not normally one to just mute people, but i am muting everyone i have problems with that make me frustrated
LysToday at 2:24 AM
how do you see this playing out in the future?
MikeMToday at 2:25 AM
i ignore the presence of the people who have nothing constructive to say
LysToday at 2:26 AM
how are you going to personally change or control your behavior if the situation occurs where someone does say something that upsets you and you don't have them already muted?
MikeMToday at 2:27 AM
Well that's happened a lot in my life and I very rarely actually say anything
So most of the time I'll keep it to me and my friends
I also seriously disliked hef and I dont think I said anything to him
LysToday at 2:50 AM
I need to sleep on this
MikeMToday at 2:52 AM
yeah, go for it
re-watch the vod of snert and tony talking over and bigdogging colin while you're also defending their completly wrong position
colin is no all-star but he wasnt fucking wrong
LysToday at 2:53 AM
We've talked about it. Pax also mentioned it wasn't a dodging issue, but rather where he positions himself he will get insta frozen if the image isn't interrupted.
We're really not as ignorant as you think we are >.>
MikeMToday at 2:54 AM
sure, it could've been avoided but that shouldnt be a thing in the first place
if you asked all raiders where the orbs come out of images
id be surprised if 17 knew
err
3 knew*
its just fucking tilting seeing awful behavior
colin fucks up all the time but he doesnt lie about it
like when he was cc'd on mekkatorque and tony said his shit about dpsing a 99% less damage boss
and u had to confirm it on WCL
then tony died doing the same thing twice and bombing the raid
x fucking d
really just seems like you have a soft spot for tony and are relatively okay with his shitty fucking attitude making 7+ people uncomfortable in our raid environment, it's really to be expected someone is going to do something stupid in retaliation
sure, you talked to him, but honestly it hasn't changed
again, not saying i want you to remove him, but this was inevitable from me, personally im hotheaded at times to people who are just fucking wroong
LysToday at 3:06 AM
Pax and I already decided from our discussion tonight that we're going to have Tony keep his mic muted unless he has something nice to say.

Obviously, I have a soft spot for Tony since he's my friend. I literally have a soft spot for every person in this raid group since they're all my friends, including you.
MikeMToday at 3:07 AM
He was cool last raid on cabal
It was relaxed and there wasnt any bullshit
I tried talking to him about music
We had a convo but I still just get so frustrated
I apologize for leaving discord but I dont apologize for blowing up on mic
Its well deserved