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- DP: Mr. Don Phillips SG: Dr. Steven Greer
- DP: My name is Don Phillips and, I live in Los Angeles, California. I have worked
- with Government sponsored agencies, as well as spent my appropriate time in the
- military, as a civilian, but also as a military person. I did have experiences with
- what we would refer to as Unidentified Flying Objects.
- Lee's go to a time frame, when I was about 19 or 20. I entered college after high
- school, but I also went to work for Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. And, after a
- year of employment in the regular field of aircraft construction and design, I was
- asked if I would like to go to a new department, or, one that was already in gear
- for a new project. And, of course, I said yes, not knowing exactly what it was. But,
- I figured that it was in my best interest.
- Now, my studies had to do with design, engineering, mechanical, electrical
- and aeronautics. I was a private pilot, at that time, and still am. And, at the time
- -- what would it be 1961, '62 -- I started my new job in what is called the Lockheed
- Skunkworks. I was introduced to the various divisions of the Skunkworks- purchasing,
- expediting and engineering. I served in all of those during the '60's, and,
- this went through 1965. Our projects were, of course, for special aircraft for the
- United States Government. And other agencies of the Government supplied
- pilots. When I left the employment of the Skunkworks to go into the military, I
- felt that this was something I wanted to come back to after serving my country.
- I think it was 1965 when I first went into the military and discovered that
- some of the assignments that I was put on near Las Vegas, Nevada were very much
- in close proximity to our areas where we tested our aircraft-an area commonly known
- as Area 51. We call it Dreamland, the Hog Farm, the Lake. The side that
- I know it from is that it is high security. I got a lot of feedback from people from
- my division at the Skunkworks as to what is happening out there. We are testing
- airplanes. And, everybody knows that it tested special aircraft, such as the
- Blackbird, which l am very proud of because that's my baby. And, it holds some
- of the world's records to this day.
- Now, the thing about being in the military in that area is that we had radar
- sites attached to Nellis Air Force Base. Now, Nellis is a flight test and pilot training
- base for the U.S. military. North of Las Vegas, way up at the end of the northeast
- of the Gunnery Range, there is what we know as Area 51. But, across the highway
- that goes north from Las Vegas, is a site called Angels Peak, in
- itself, covered the Area 51. But, it also covered a lot of other areas, like the Atomic
- Energy Commission test grounds to the west and to the north.
- So Angels Peak was a classified radar installation. And, it's, a lot of radar installations,
- as we know them, are up in the middle of no where. We would monitor
- the aircraft coming from Las Vegas into Area 51 or whatever passed by. And, it was
- whatever passed by that that became most interesting one night, in 1966, to '67. That
- night, I heard a lot of commotion about 1:00 in the morning.
- We were at 8,000 feet; the radar domes were at 10,500, approximately. So I
- decided to get up and walked up to the main road, and up near my office. I got to
- the area where the fellows were standing -- there was a group of about five people
- -- and they were looking up in the air. And, I looked up in the air and saw these
- objects, lighted objects, moving at tremendous speeds. It was in the area slightly
- to the north and northwest of Mount Charleston. Right at that instant I saw these
- things making acute angles and traveling, I would estimate 3,000 to 4,000 miles
- per hour. And, then immediately making acute turns. I knew that they weren't
- ours. And, I had a special background with the Skunkworks, Lockheed Aircraft
- Advanced Development and Engineering, that said, these are not ours. And, having
- been a pilot, I'm thinking, if there are people in these craft, what kind of forces
- are their bodies taking? Then, I said, well, these have to be guided by some type
- of intelligent pilots.
- It went on for about another 90 seconds. And, then, all of a sudden, they
- seemed to group, from what would be hundreds of miles in the sky to the west.
- And they came into a circle, rotated into a circle, and then disappeared. And, I
- thought, wow, what a show.
- So, the security Sergeant happened to be on duty. And, we all looked at each
- other and said, gee, this is really something. And, he said, well, we shouldn't really
- say anything about this.
- Well, I had a buddy that was chief radar operator named Anthony Kasar. And,
- Anthony was the first one to get off of the bus after the door opened- I was standing
- right up close to the doors when they opened up. I looked at him and- Anthony
- is a very large fellow with this blonde flowing hair, and a jovial spirit -- and, he was
- as serious as anybody could possibly be. He was almost as white as a sheet. He took
- one step down the steps and he looked at me and he said, did you see those? And,
- I said, yeah, we've been watching them- some of the fellows have been watching
- them for the last four to five minutes. And, I've seen them for a little more than 90
- seconds. He says, we saw them on the radar screen and we documented them. He
- says, they are not bogeys. They are not apparitions. They are real solid objects.
- And, of course, they would have to be in order to get a fix with radar, the kind of
- radar we used there, it would have to be a solid object. And, it's not that we tracked
- them with the radar- they would go in and out of the signal and register that way.
- He finally documented that there were six to seven. The speeds that we estimated
- were also estimated by the radar operators and their scopes.
- SG: What did they estimate?
- DP: They estimated, around, 3,800 to 4,200 miles per hour equivalent, ground
- speed. These things are darting across the sky. First they look like a star. And then
- they move, in any direction or make any kind of a straight line, or just hover.
- Most of us had Top Secret and then there's a few that had Above Top Secret clearances.
- Myself, I dealt with documents of all types. And for my time period in the
- service, it was Top Secret. The people that would record the information, all this is
- recorded, and, it is documented. And then it is signed off. And then it is put in
- the archives. And, our division, our radar squadron, was part of the 26th Air
- Division, which was near Phoenix, Arizona. So, where the reports go from there,
- it could be the Pentagon. It could be the United States Air Force headquarters.
- These UFOs were huge. And they would just come to a stop and do a 60
- degree, 45 degree, 1O degree turn, after stopping. And, then immediately reverse
- this action.
- When I was working with the Skunkworks, we signed an agreement with the
- National Security Agency, and the National Security Council, as well as the CIA.
- And, we kept very quiet about things because they always knew where we were and
- what we were doing. I automatically had that team spirit- we were a big family
- there. And, I was very proud of that, having worked directly for Kelly Johnson.
- I was asked a question by a fellow businessman several years ago, in 1997: 'Do
- you think that some of the technology that you incorporated into that aircraft,
- came from outside the planet Earth?' And, I said, it's very possible. But, I said, you
- have to remember, we'd still have to make it work here on planet Earth.
- SG: Had you heard of antigravity propulsion systems being worked on while you
- were at Lockheed Skunkworks?
- DP: The propulsion system that you are asking about, I heard that it existed. But,
- the left hand never knew what the right hand was doing, and, for good reason.
- Again, they didn't want us asking questions. We wanted to stay focused on the
- projects that we were working on. I came in at the tail end of the U-2 project.
- That still continues, the use of that type of aircraft. The first four models that I had
- to do with design and the construction and the eventual flight test were not the
- first military models. We have another air force in this United States that works
- on contract. And, I won't identify that name. They worked it with contract pilots,
- very good pilots. So, our first four models were for them. They were very special
- models. And then came the SR-71, otherwise known properly as the Blackbird.
- From what I learned over a period of years, anti-gravitational research was
- going. Maybe by consultants to the Skunkworks.
- We know that there were some captured craft from 1947 in Roswell, New
- Mexico. And, yeah, they were real. And, yes, we really did get some technology
- from them. And, yes, we really did put it to work. And, we can thank people in
- the United States Army to have the foresight to put these technologies into industry
- for the benefit of the people of the world.
- SG: We have retrieved extraterrestrial vehicles that have been studied?
- DP: I know this to be a fact. We put it to use. But, it took us a long time to figure
- out what it was. And, then, figure out how we can use it and then, what to use
- it for. And, are those products useful for humanity. It wasn't until later on, in the
- '80's and '90's, when I founded a company called Light City Technologies, that I
- confirmed this.
- It was a technology development corporation of a secret nature. And, we
- worked with data signals, avionics, computers. And, as I had talked with you
- before, we knew each other from certain agencies of the military in contract with
- the CIA, or other branches of what we call unseen industry. I would say that's a
- good term. We can term it black, deep black, or hidden.
- Well, the knowledge that I have of these technologies, came from the craft that
- were captured here-I didn't see the craft, nor did I see the bodies. But, I certainly
- know some of the people that did. And, of course, they are passed on now, from
- their earthly bodies. But, there was no question that there are peoples, or beings
- from outside the planet, that have lived here for a long time. And, it isn't just something
- new that's been happening in the last couple of years. There's been NATO
- research conducted, joint research into this.
- And, it's been documented as to who those races were at that time. This was
- back in the early '60's. What precipitated the need for our aircraft [the Lockheed
- Skunkworks U2, Blackbird aircraft], was the result of these reports [about UFOs]
- coming out from NATO. These reports were started in the late '50's. They were
- finished in the early '60's and disseminated to the appropriate leaders of various
- countries. They were kept under a lock and key, if you will. And, the prominence
- or greater exposure of Unidentified Flying Objects led to these reports.
- We have records from 1954 that were meetings between our own leaders of this
- country and ET's here in California. And, as I understand it from the written documentation,
- we were asked if we would allow them to be here and do research. I
- have read that our reply was, well, how can we stop you? You are so advanced. And
- I will say by this camera and this sound, that it was President Eisenhower that had
- this meeting. And it was on film, sort of like what we are doing now. Bringing it
- up to date, the NATO report gave that there were 12 races. To make a final summary,
- they had to have contacts to go to these races in order to understand who they
- are, what they are doing, and what they could do. And the report didn't get into the
- context, bur it certainly did verify that they haven't been here for just a few years,
- but rather hundreds maybe thousands of years. And, this is written in the text.
- Now, getting back to the ET technology that we might have used- the chips,
- lasers, the night vision, the bulletproof vests, and a few others- these were all developed.
- Well, the chips, what they call the Central Processing Units, were developed
- in great strides. Now, why did that happen? Why, you put a few things together
- and do a bit of research, you think, wow- we did benefit.
- Are these ET people hostile? Well, if they were hostile, with their weaponry
- they could have destroyed us a long time ago or could have done some damage.
- I know that some of the technologies came from the extraterrestrial craft. And,
- the reason they crashed is that their guidance mechanism was interrupted by our
- radar and by some equipment that we have.
- Even more validating for me was that one of our contract scientists for our private
- concern, Light City Technologies, Incorporated, worked with these technologies
- He worked with a couple of those technologies while he was with a very
- prominent intelligence agency of the United Scares Government.
- The one person that I've talked to outside of the military or the government
- level is Dr. Greer. And, the reason for that is because he makes it the professional
- approach, which is more in line with the way we were in the military.
- About the ET lenses: there were some eyeball coverings that allowed the people
- inside the craft that made the journey across space to see in the minimal light
- that we know is now present during space travel. These lenses magnified light but
- also brought in a certain type of clarity. And my reason for mentioning this was
- that it was Earth doctors and specialises that got them into the removal and study
- of these lenses.
- I think a lot of this has been well documented by Colonel Corso. You know,
- who was there with him? Well, there were a lot of people there with him. But a
- lot of the things that are said in the book by Colonel Corso, I can verify, corroborated
- by people that I have worked with and do work with now. So, I can say what
- I know about it is very true. The pathway that it took, that's another story. We
- talk about hidden technologies and why don't they let people know about it? Well,
- they hide it from the public. Well, hey, there is probably a good reason for some
- of it.
- The Government didn't understand it themselves. Being in the Air Force,
- maybe we didn't fully know what it was. Take those technologies from Roswell, it
- took a while to figure out how they worked before we knew what to make from it
- and then how to get it into industry, how can it benefit the people.
- The sensationalism that reporters and newspapers and writers put forth doesn't
- do the public any good. It feeds the desire for sensationalism in people. We
- naturally have a curiosity. But it can be fed with fact and truth, or it can be fed
- with sensationalism and half-truth- or no truth at all.
- How I came to learn of that NATO report: the impetus for doing the report
- in the first place was because during that time period, late '50's- '60's, the Cold War
- was beginning. There were flying craft, UFOs, intruding upon the Russian airspace.
- And, then there were flying craft intruding upon our a airspace and we were
- each blaming the other. In doing so, we were ready to push buttons. We came very
- close to pushing the buttons and would annihilate, perhaps, both sides. But, before
- the buttons were pushed, there was a secondary type of control -- we call it human
- reason, it is something that machines can't do. They assessed the situation and said:
- wait a minute; it is happening to both sides, something is unusual here. Maybe we
- should do some research and then do a report, before we push the buttons.
- And, thus, the report
- I learned of the report through working for the CIA, while I was following the
- pathway on some information that had to do with NASA, that had to do with
- extraterrestrial visitation, and how real it was. That's how I came to know of the
- NATO report. But, it was also through the military channels. I had to make some
- phone calls. And, I did. Well, we worked with the Central Intelligence Agency as
- contractors. That was during the time of the Skunkworks. You see the CIA was
- one of our best customers. And, it is the CIA that has one of the world's best air
- forces. We have Francis Garry Powers -- yes we knew him, and Schumacker - a
- lot of these people, they are very real people. And, they were often moved around
- by politics.
- I do know that there were what we call these little beings. An engineer that
- did some work for us in the military was asked if he would like to do a special project.
- It was to build a flight trainer. He is a mechanical engineer and electrical engineer.
- And, through the process of building the trainer, he discovered that he was
- to work with some other people after it got to a certain point. The other people
- came out and they were these little humanoids- kind of startling, because they are
- all, you know, short, short people. But, very, very intelligent- like very intelligent
- children, super intelligent children. And, pretty soon it became like us sitting here.
- And, what they were building was a trainer for us to learn how to fly their craft.
- It's a very interesting approach.
- [See the testimony of Bill Uhouse. SG]
- Other technologies from the retrieved ET craft were fiber optics that went into
- these computer chips. And, mind you, the signal didn't travel on hard wire as we
- know it. It traveled through a hollow core and in the form of colored light. And,
- each color had a spectrum, an assignment to do a certain thing. So, we had fiber
- optics that we put to use. They did a lot of research and reverse engineering.
- We also got these things that are handheld scanners, that we scan the body, and
- determine what the condition is. We can also treat from the same scanner. Are
- these things real? Well, I can tell you, personally, that we've been working on them.
- And, we have ones that can cure cancer. Yes, diagnose and cure.
- Again, politics, and God bless them, the FDA, and ocher people whose financial
- interests could be damaged by the release of certain technologies keep these out
- of view. But it can be a win-win situation for everybody. This is the way our technology
- development group views the use of technologies.
- SG: Have you bee associated with that group?
- DP: I founded the organization that became a corporation in California. I was
- associated with it six, seven years before, so that would be, back in the '80's.
- We were contractors to the CIA while working for the Skunkworks. Working
- for the Skunkworks was five years. And, the military, I was in for a standard four.
- In 1997, I met some of our expert recon people in the military. Highly trained
- and they could blow up cities and terminate a great number of people. But, they
- did an exercise -this is a confirmation . Security in the United Stares is constantly
- tested. That's the only way you are going to find out if it is bullet proof or where
- you need to improve. So this recon group was asked to breach the security ar Area
- 51. And, they did a wonderful job and did it. They went through and they disassembled,
- piece by piece, the security at Area 51. And, you know, they would take
- our the pieces, piece by piece, and it would send a signal, an alert, and then they
- would hide. These guys were experts. They were expert recon people for the military.
- [NOTE: Filtering out portions related purely to security which Greer should never have released]
- I know there are two prominent people that founded what we call Area 51.
- They are two friends. I had no idea. It wasn't until 1995 and '96 that we were talking
- about all this, swapping stories, if you will, that they told me that. They looked
- at me, and said, do you know who it was who actually went out there for Kelly
- Johnson? And, they named the names. But I'd like to keep those quiet for now.
- SG: Okay. Okay, that's fine.
- DP: Because they are still related to us. I mean, they are,
- SG: They are still involved.
- DP: For the benefit of their families, yeah. Well, they a retired, but they are still
- involved in this by contract.
- SG: What corporations have been connected to these UFO projects?
- DP: DuPont. IBM, what is now, I think, Western Digital, EG&G. I've had business
- dealings with EG&G. They make products for us. They have made products
- for our private sector corporation. They are a contractor- very good. They were
- responsible for the safe delivery and return of personnel to various work locations.
- But, that isn't all of it. That's just a small a mount of their work.
- During the Apollo landing, Neil Armstrong says , "They're here . They are right
- over there and look at the size of those ships. And, it is obvious, they don't like us
- being here." And, what he went on to describe was like a lineup of military planes,
- only here are these craft, and their people, observing them. Neil Armstrong, he
- said, they don't want us to be here.
- SG: Do you have an audiotape of that?
- DP: No, I have the written communication.
- SG: Do you know if Kelly Johnson knew of the UFO and ET issue at all?
- DP: Oh yeah. I would say he did. But, he was focused on developing a job. There
- were five people in the world of his caliber. And there were three of that caliber in
- the United States ...
- I learned one thing from an associate scientist- somebody for whom I have the
- greatest, the highest respect- who was with the CIA. He says the first thing we
- want to determine is who is turning the wheels on any project-this is what I did
- when I was with the CIA.
- You see, who is turning the wheels? What is the motivation? Why is it being
- done? I asked, right after we first talked, why is Dr. Steven Greer doing this? I've
- done my research -- maybe a lot of it. And, I've watched what's happening. And,
- you've been very dedicated to what you are doing, and professional. That's why I
- am here tonight. That is why I am speaking with you.
- And, we still have those contacts around the world that can verify a lot of
- things.
- SG: Do you know of anyone else that you feel may be willing to come forward
- now?
- DP: We all have our agreements that we signed and they are still, you know, to be
- honored. However, there isn't any reason why certain information can't be shared
- when it is for the benefit of humanity ...
- Well, Dr. Greer, one of the purposes for founding this technology corporation
- chat I did in 1998 was to bring forth these technologies that can help get rid of the
- toxins - that can clean the air, that help get rid of the need for so much fossil fuel
- or help it become more efficient. Yes, it is time. I can tell you, personally, that it
- has already started.
- And I can prove what we have come up with. We can prove it.
- SG: Are these energy generation systems, or, can you speak about them?
- DP: The energy generation systems that the associates have brought forth deal
- with using natural energies from planet Earth. And, there is a natural harmonics
- of the planet. That's already been proven.
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