9:40 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Hey
9:42 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: What can I do for you?
9:42 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well id like you to tell me if you accept our merc
9:42 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: pocket or roamer?
9:42 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: since mearlite is apparently incapable of doing that
9:43 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Is the merc a pocket or roamer?
9:43 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: depends on who shows up so i dont know
9:43 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: is this because you dont want to allow him as a pocket
9:44 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: yes
10:06 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
11:05 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: regardless of that what about him? http://etf2l.org/forum/user/73376/
11:09 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: will still need callum on top of that if youd be so kind and accept him so we dont have to play 5v6
11:10 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: In scrim I'll respond after
11:10 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Nearly over
11:10 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: no worries
11:12 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Zafus
11:12 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I've heard that hes really good
11:12 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: no he's shit 8)
11:12 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: lol
11:13 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: ofc hes shit
11:13 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: thats why you want him ofc
11:13 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Hes probs a bit above us
11:13 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: so no sorry
11:13 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: abyss pls
11:15 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Gooby
11:17 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: what about these two http://etf2l.org/forum/user/68975/ and http://etf2l.org/forum/user/63060/
11:19 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: You can use this guy http://etf2l.org/forum/user/68975/
11:19 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: the other guy is prem hl
11:20 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: seems a bit too advanced
11:20 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: nvm he cant play :(
11:20 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: what about callum on demo
11:21 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: No
11:21 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: so why dont you say youre not gonna allow him in the first place 8)
11:22 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Would have allowed him as a perma spy offclass
11:22 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: hehuehueuheuheuheu u so funni
11:22 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: lol
11:22 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/77833/
11:24 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: what about him?
11:24 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: No sorry
11:24 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: so are you just not gonna accept anyone
11:24 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I would
11:24 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: really?
11:26 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I accepted one of them, and everyone else you've selected is far above the average expectency for a div5 player
11:26 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: yes but i asked you if youre gonna accept anyone
11:26 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: that didnt relate to these people
11:27 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: you couldve saved my time and said youre not gonna accept anyone that hasnt lost all their games in d5 in the first place
11:27 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I'm not being that harsh about it
11:28 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and I'm doing you a favour by considering these guys
11:28 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: realistically teams shouldn't have to rely on mercs
11:28 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: they should be able to organise their own teams
11:29 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well youve kind of forced us into this situation by not being able to play the whole week
11:29 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/90254/ this guy?
11:30 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: wasent this default date?
11:30 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: yes but it was the default date that mearlite proposed because it was the only date this week you could play, i just didnt accept it in time so it made it the default date
11:31 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: + him on top of the guy i asked 3 lines ago http://etf2l.org/forum/user/41782/ ?
11:42 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: this one allowed http://etf2l.org/forum/user/41782/
11:42 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: other one no
11:42 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: so one game of d5 is above d5 level?
11:42 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: ok
11:42 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: And with regards to the default date thingy
11:43 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: you should have checked that out and proposed alternatives
11:43 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I'm sure we could have agreed something
11:43 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well im fairly sure you were the ones that couldnt play any weekday this week even though you are suddenly playing right now
11:43 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Idk what mearl has said to you
11:44 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: Mearlite: ᴅᴵ said:
2 weeks ago edit

cannot do 27th-30th, other days should be better
11:44 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I think it was because one of our guys had a problem with his steam
11:44 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and couldn't play tf2
11:44 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: but now he has it fixed
11:45 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well its not in my power to see your thoughts is it, if I could I wouldnt be giving you these "above d5" mercs now would I
11:45 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss is now playing Team Fortress 2. Click here to join.
11:46 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: huh?
11:46 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I don't understand what you mean
11:46 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: forget it
11:47 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: well its a bit cheeky of you
11:48 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: to suggest your best and then slowly keep suggestion worse people
11:48 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: its like you are just desperate to try and pass off your best guys and are willing to settle for worse
11:48 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: or maybe i just go worse because youre not accepting the guy I give so why would you accept someone of the same level?
11:48 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: to my mind mercs are meant to replace people in your team for a game meaning they are filling in, a substutite or fill in is meant to be the same or worse than the original player.
11:48 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: i dont really see your logic
11:49 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: if it turns out they are better then you might as well just have them on your team
11:49 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: because then they would do better than your actual roster
11:49 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: its like you want to not play with your team
11:49 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: its like people cant play on a friday?
11:49 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: its not like i would be here asking for mercs for over an hour if we actually had 6 people to play is it now?
11:50 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Well in your case maybe not
11:50 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: but I've come across people who do stuff like that
11:50 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: always makes me suspicious
11:51 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I know people who just intentionally always ask for mercs regardless of whether their actual roster can play or not
11:51 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: just so they have an advantage
11:51 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: And then they just automatically expect the enemy to accept
11:52 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: But I see that as a shitty move really
11:52 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well i just expect people to be nice
11:52 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Hey I'm being nice
11:52 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I just don't want to play against people who are far better than what we are capable of
11:52 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: thats not too much to ask
11:52 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: you demonise me and put me in a bad light by twisting what I've said
11:52 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: ive not twisted anything
11:53 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: "21:27 - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: you couldve saved my time and said youre not gonna accept anyone that hasnt lost all their games in d5 in the first place"
11:53 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I never said anything of that sort
11:53 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well
11:53 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: but that is what youve done
11:54 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and if you don't class that as twisting what I've said then Idk what you do class it as
11:54 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: youve not accepted a guy who played one game of d5
11:54 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Thats just an empirical observation based on what you've tried to get past me
11:54 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: That doesn't mean I'm not willing to
11:54 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: This is how you sound to me
11:54 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: "I'm not twisting your words"
11:55 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: "Yeah I twisted your words"
11:55 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: "but its still ok"
11:55 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: so youre gonna make me the bad guy here?
11:55 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Thats what you're trying to do to me
11:55 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I'm just defending myself because you were making out that I was just outright rejecting everyone you proposed
11:55 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: but thats not true
11:56 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well granted that is the opinion of the general public about people who deny this many mercs
11:56 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Don't tell me what the general public thinks
11:56 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: because thats horribly generalising and wouldn't mean anything anyway
11:57 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: This isn't a political conference m8 this is a bunch of nerds who play a shooter game
11:58 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well is this discussion actually going anywhere if you dont tell me who youd be willing to accept
11:58 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: i dont think its productive for me to throw these links at you when youll just deny them anyway
11:59 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I've told you who I've accepted out of the people you've sent me
11:59 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I've given you 2 people
11:59 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: how many do you need?
11:59 PM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: if I accept 1 more thats half a team lol
11:59 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: i told you one of them couldnt play
11:59 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: the first one you accepted
11:59 PM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: we cant have more than 2 anyway
31. lokakuuta 2014
12:00 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: really?
12:00 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I thought it was only limited in prem
12:00 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: maybe I'm wrong
12:00 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: no?
12:00 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: ok
12:00 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: well I'll take your word for it
12:00 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: trust me I know our rules being part of the staff
12:01 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: heres an example for you
12:01 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: http://etf2l.org/matches/53150/
12:02 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: They wern't even approved were they?
12:02 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: yes they were
12:02 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: but it was defaulted because you cant have more than 2
12:02 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: 1.5 No mercs allowed unless your opponent agrees

A team can use up to a maximum of 2 mercs, even if the opponent would allow the use of more than 2 mercs. This includes players who are still shown as unverified on the team’s roster.
12:02 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: ah
12:02 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: ok
12:02 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: well it doesn't really change much for us
12:03 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: in terms of what we need to establish
12:03 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: no but im just trying to get you to tell you some guidelines as to who youd accept
12:03 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: so i dont waste my time asking people youre not going to accept
12:03 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: which ive already clearly done for the past 2 hours
12:04 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: just get some normal d5 guys
12:04 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: that is rather vague when ive given you only d5 guys
12:04 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: they are in like
12:04 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: national teams
12:04 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: or prem hl
12:04 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: or some other high up league
12:05 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: tell me this
12:05 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: who is it that you are actually going to be missing
12:05 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: from your roster
12:05 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: link me their etf2ls
12:05 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/57774/
12:06 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: isn't there 1 more?
12:06 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well you already accepted his replacement
12:06 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: http://etf2l.org/forum/user/43584/
12:06 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: well it depends who you are classing as whos replacement
12:06 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: because I don't really know
12:07 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: See hes pretty average
12:07 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: in terms of what hes done
12:08 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: yeah well we all know that but i dont see how you say one d5 game isnt equal to that
12:08 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and you effectively want a better substitute
12:08 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: how are any of my proposed people better than hbfs
12:09 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Prem HL
12:09 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: to my knowledge
12:09 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: is a bit beyond div5
12:09 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: prem hl as med means jack shit when hes not played 6s since s14?
12:09 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I didn't look into the intracies of what class he played
12:10 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well maybe you should before you go straight up saying prem HL is so much better than d5
12:10 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: well you say that but even if you're med you still pick up gamesense and such
12:10 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and experience with better players
12:10 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: the whole atmosphere of playing alongside better players is what makes people good
12:10 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: regardless
12:11 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: thats why there is such a skill gap between comp players and pub players
12:11 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: that doesnt really matter anyway does it since you didnt accept him
12:11 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: still
12:11 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: by your logic
12:11 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: How would I even check what class he was anyway
12:11 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: wouldn't I have to go into really old logs?
12:12 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: by scoreboard screenshots?
12:12 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: ah scoreboard I guess too
12:12 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: but you can change in that
12:13 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: ofc
12:13 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: but the skill gap really isnt as much as you make it out to be coming from someone whos mixed and merced in d1 hL
12:13 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: anyway
12:13 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: your logic really doesnt say how callum > hbfs
12:13 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: or anyone else > hbfs apart from jake
12:14 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: at least get your logic right if you want to deny mercs
12:14 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I don't know these people personally m8
12:14 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: im just using names of people who i linked to you
12:14 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I just look at them see what experience they have and evaluate whether I think I want them in the game or not, thats what I'm entitled to do
12:15 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I don't need to think in the same way you do in order to deny mercs
12:15 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: mercs are a privildge not a right
12:15 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: And I'm going to deny or accept them based on my subjective view on them
12:15 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: because thats all anyone in my position can do really
12:16 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Lets just get to the bottom of this
12:16 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: and get it sorted
12:16 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Instead of bickering about the minor things
12:16 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: well thats what ive been trying to do
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: You've been questioning me on why I denyed a previous merc, that isn't trying to move forward and get it sorted thats looking in the past and complaining about something which has already gone
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: but nethertheless
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I've given you the criteria you asked for
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: send me links or whatnot
12:17 AM - Lyrete.tf #fuckizaak: im just trying to find out what you will accept because people who ive given you clearly arent bad enough
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: There you go trying to be smarky with me
12:17 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: Just send me the links
12:22 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: I've gotta go m8, when you have the links post them to me or on etf2l and I'll check them out in the morning
12:22 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss: cya
12:23 AM - ᴅᴵ Abyss is now Offline.