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Feb 11 2012 - How Do I Changed Object.class?

[19:45] <ekim350z> anyone here know java by chance? im trying to change some data inside the Object class
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[19:46] <Risugami> what witchcraft is this?
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[19:47] <Risugami> you can't just edit Object
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[19:47] <Red_M> gonna play SMNC for the first time
[19:47] <LeonWildhart_> Cant /topic
[19:47] <AbrarSyed> lol
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[19:48] <AbrarSyed> I don't know anything about reflection, but it might be possible to change the stuff in the Object class using that.
[19:48] <AbrarSyed> most probably not
[19:48] <LeonWildhart_> I cant see the rules...
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[19:49] == mode/#risucraft [+o Risugami] by zsh
[19:49] <ekim350z> Risugami, how do i get to the point of changing it?
[19:49] <WackoMcGoose> Risugami: I've got an actually SANE question for you. How do I colorshift an INVENTORY block render? Like Block.colorMultiplier, but for RenderInvBlock
[19:50] <Risugami> try glColor4f
[19:51] <Ribor> what quality sound can you use for mc?
[19:51] <immibis> ekim350z: what?
[19:51] <WackoMcGoose> Risugami: Hex values RGBA I assume?
[19:51] <immibis> the Object class doesn't store any data
[19:51] <immibis> well, no data that's useful to you
[19:51] <Forkk13> Riking, you still trying to get it working?
[19:51] <fishtaco567> No
[19:51] <fishtaco567> Floats
[19:51] <fishtaco567> 0-1
[19:52] <Risugami> yea... what would you possible need to change in object...
[19:52] <Risugami> the hashcode?
[19:52] <ekim350z> immibis, when i print map (Object map) out, i get {money=100}, how do i modify it to be {money=200}
[19:52] <ekim350z> hashcode yes?
[19:52] <immibis> no you don't want the hashcode
[19:53] <immibis> you want to do what? i still don't understand your question
[19:53] <Risugami> did you ever consider that Object reference might be a class that extends Object?
[19:54] <AbrarSyed> you want to modify Object? you make a custom class
[19:54] <ekim350z> I have Object map, when i print out map, i get {money=100}, so how would i modify map to give me {money=10}
[19:54] <ekim350z> i have to make a custom class and copy it to it?
[19:54] <AbrarSyed> depends on what is stored in teh map
[19:54] <Risugami> ?javatut
[19:54] <crow> Free java tutorials at http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/ http://learn-java-tutorial.com/
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[19:54] <Samantha> I hope you have a dream about a thousand million curvy, "chocolate" covered kittens happily "drinking" a billion visible, furry cups of tea in a cute lounge of obsidian =D
[19:54] <immibis> ekim350z: If you don't know java, learn that first
[19:54] <Risugami> for the love of god start there
[19:54] <AbrarSyed> it depends whcich class is in there
[19:55] <AbrarSyed> ekim350z: I invited you to a private chat.
[19:55] <AbrarSyed> *wich me luck on teaching the ignorant java :P
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[19:55] <ekim350z> its a linkedmaphash

(And the commentary from #evilmojang after I linked this paste)
[19:49] <Jokiboy> Lol! How dumb was that guy?
[19:50] <Jokiboy> One does not simply edit Object class!
[19:50] <Shadow386> One does not simply override base classes
[19:50] <clarjon1> One does not simply One does not simply.
[19:51] <Jokiboy> One does not simply getover 256 terrain indexes.
[19:51] <Pepper> One does not simply change a packet, change it back, and hope that it'll work

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Feb 13 2012 - lol use forge becuz it fasterer

[15:33] <Shadow386> No, you were pointing out compatibility, mentioning forge being compatible
[15:33] <nallar> I pointed out using proxy classes, which would help with compatibility
[15:33] <medsouz> !popcorn
[15:33] <crow> http://i.imgur.com/2YPvY.gif
[15:33] <nallar> it also means you can access protected fields/methods without reflection.
[15:34] <Shadow386> And thus suggesting that we use forge, which we arent going to use
[15:34] <nallar> no
[15:34] <nallar> not suggestiing you use forge
[15:34] <nallar> It would allow forge to work with it, that was JUST AN EXAMPLE.
[15:34] <nallar> :P
[15:34] <nallar> I give up, apparently I fail at getting what I mean across.
[15:34] <Shadow386> I dont see why when we don't care for compatibility
[15:35] <nallar> improved speed through less reflection, easier to write code through writing as if modifying hte base class.
[15:36] <Shadow386> Alrighty, you take a look through the code and tell me the easier way we can do that
[15:36] <nallar> http://pastebin.com/kN8RqMrb
[15:36] <nallar> formatting is messed up, but that's an example.
[15:36] <Riking> ?calc 932/147
[15:36] <crow> Decimal approximation: 6.3401360544217687074829931972789115646258503401360544...
[15:36] <medsouz> nallar: package wont work
[15:37] <nallar> Works here.
[15:37] <medsouz> you cannot import from the default package
[15:37] <Risugami> need more decimal
[15:37] <medsouz> when you compile it net.minecraft.src changes to the default package
[15:37] <Riking> ?calc 95*464 > riking
[15:37] <nallar> medsouz, compiler won't, but MCP will reobf to, so it doesn't matter.
[15:37] <Riking> ?calc 95*464
[15:37] <crow> no results
[15:37] <Riking> .wa 95*464
[15:37] <crow> Riking: Exact result: 44080. Number name: 44 thousand and 80
[15:37] <Riking> GAH
[15:37] <Riking> .wa approximate 95*464
[15:37] <crow> Riking: no results
[15:37] <Miclee> nallar: What are you and Shadow arguing about?
[15:37] <Riking> >.>
[15:38] <medsouz> also, proxies make it so conflicts dont crash but also stop the mods that conflict from working together
[15:38]  * Miclee wants the short story.
[15:38] <medsouz> the one with the proxy takes control
[15:38] <nallar> medsouz, I guess you're right.
[15:38] <medsouz> Miclee: nallar says you're doing it wrong. Shadow386 says you're doing it right
[15:38] <Miclee> We are doing it right.
[15:38] <Miclee> nallar: What are we doing wrong, from your point of view?
[15:38] <nallar> I'm only thinking about situations in whcih you can just do modifications to what the super class does, like adding 2 to the return value.
[15:38] <nallar> actually modifying inner workings doesn't keep compatibility, unless you call the super then fix what it did
[15:39] <medsouz> I guess by extending if they use different methods it would work
[15:39] <Miclee> nallar: And fuck compatibility, most things will be incompatible anyways.
[15:39] <medsouz> but thats about it
[15:39] <nallar> and that means slow redundancy.
[15:39] <TLUL> Shockah: So I just fixed some bugs, and now my stupid terrible kludge is working just fine.
[15:39] <Shockah> lul
[15:39] <nallar> so I guess my method's only a good idea in specific situations.
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[15:39] <medsouz> theres a reason I dont touch base classses
[15:40] <medsouz> all of socialminer is through modloader, not base classes touched
[15:40] <SioxerNic> Hi People, is there anyone who could possibly guide me to a way to implement BioSphere mod to SMP?
[15:40] <TLUL> But you see my dilemma, right? I only have reflective access and I don't know the class names, so I have no way to get at EntityList or at classes like EntityCreeper
[15:40] <WackoMcGoose> Yeah, but sometimes there's no way around touching base classes.
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[15:40] <ashtheking> SioxerNic: ask Risu for permission first. Then look at the code and change worldgen.
[15:40] <SioxerNic> It would be much appreciated.
[15:40] <Samantha> wb
[15:40] <nallar> Also, protip, never ever try to write a mod which needs reflection (any mod...) when the only javadocs you have access to are the java sources and you have no program to generate the javadocs from them.
[15:40] <nallar> D:
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[15:40] <SioxerNic> I personally do not have much experience in coding for MineCraft
[15:40] <WackoMcGoose> "Modern Winter Mode" would've never happened if I didn't turn BlockSnow into a spaghetti bowl of code.
[15:40] <clone1018> ?lahspeak
[15:40] <crow> lahwran's risucraft mumble server: host lahwran.net default port (64738)
[15:41] <Shockah> TLUL, no, i don't see it, because i don't get why you have such a problem with using class names
[15:41] <TLUL> Because it has to be compatible with multiple versions of Minecraft without altering the wrapper at all.
[15:41] <medsouz> SioxerNic: ask Risugummibears :P
[15:41] <WackoMcGoose> TLUL: ...........................
[15:41] <Shockah> TLUL, lazy much?
[15:41] <TLUL> Yes.
[15:42] <TLUL> I take anywhere from a week to three months to update my mods.
[15:42] <TLUL> Ergo, this is easier.
[15:42] <SioxerNic> As I heard he has no plans to do an smp version of it?
[15:42] <TLUL> Or at least, it was until I needed to identify Entity types
[15:42] <Risugami> doesn't javassist help with that?
[15:42] <Shockah> but you're spending much more time right now on doing that with reflection than you would by updating it like normal
[15:42] <WackoMcGoose> Then wait for Mojang Time to catch up enough for the mod API to come out. Jeb said mod installs would be more persistent then.
[15:42] <medsouz> actually since we're on the topic of biospheres, Risugami you should add a feature to modloader that allows us to add to the terrain gen list
[15:42] <medsouz> unless that already exists
[15:42] <medsouz> and you should also make biosphers on that list
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[15:42] <Risugami> like adding a new pass?

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